Re: [bolger] Re: Interesting engine
Acouple lights and a Small tv!
--- Peter Lenihan <lestat@...> wrote:
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--- Peter Lenihan <lestat@...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector"__________________________________
> <bruce_hector@h...>
> wrote:
> :
> >http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
> >
> > Looks very interesting Peter,
> >
> > Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean
> after it went
> through
> > an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker
> run an air
> condioner,
> > waher and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a
> TV?
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
> I haven't a clue as to what this engine can do
> regarding your
> questions but, I figure that if one keeps things
> simple and goes with
> 12v appliances throughout,then so long as there is
> fuel for the
> whispergen,a pirate could stay away from marinas for
> even longer
> stretches while keeping ye olde battery bank(s)
> topped up just
> right.
> Add to this solar panels and maybe even a wind
> generator and
> about the only reason to stay at a marina,while on a
> cruise,would be
> to get more food or to take on some liquid ballast
> :-)
> With Windermere,I'm aiming for as complete
> autonomy as possible
> from permanent shore side facilites.And ,don't
> forget,I'm coming from
> the world of Micro cruising which I enjoyed
> thoroughly despite some
> minor sacrifices in animal comforts.With the
> incredible internal
> volume afforded by Windermere,the comfort quotient
> goes right up off
> the clock and all that enclosed space not only means
> lots of room for
> beer-n-ice but great room for all sorts of nifty
> devices,like the
> whispergen, to maintain that self-sufficiancy so
> many of us seek.
> Only time will tell how the whole lot comes
> together in one co-
> hessive package.....gotta get the boat finished
> first......Arrrrrrgh!
> Matey!
>
> sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,boatnut,endless dreamer,builder of
> Windermere,pirate,
> beer guzzler par excellence and all around bum,from
> along the slowly
> melting shores of the St.Lawrence.............
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
About the longest cruising you'll get done with a"good"
crew,especially if they're Canadian,is not very far since they'll
have your ballast tanks empty before the stroke of midnight :-)
But never fear,while you wait for part of the crew to return from
another beer raiding party ashore,a couple of them could be
compelled to load up the bilge with some real Viking
ballast.......beach stones! Imagine the fine thirst I... OOOOPS!...I
mean THEY will have once the ballast is all loaded and the raiding
crew return :-D
As far as keeping this a "Bolger boating topic", it doesn't really
matter what type of boat you build,supply the beer and you'll have a
crowd/crew :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> So, to bring this into a Bolger boating topic. If I build anAS29
> and use several kegs of a fine Pilsner as ballast. It actuallymay
> allow for longer distance voyaging. As well as attract good crewDavid,
> for company.
About the longest cruising you'll get done with a"good"
crew,especially if they're Canadian,is not very far since they'll
have your ballast tanks empty before the stroke of midnight :-)
But never fear,while you wait for part of the crew to return from
another beer raiding party ashore,a couple of them could be
compelled to load up the bilge with some real Viking
ballast.......beach stones! Imagine the fine thirst I... OOOOPS!...I
mean THEY will have once the ballast is all loaded and the raiding
crew return :-D
As far as keeping this a "Bolger boating topic", it doesn't really
matter what type of boat you build,supply the beer and you'll have a
crowd/crew :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Just saw a 5600 BTU/hr high efficiency air conditioner (rating 11) at Sears
that is rated at 4.9 amp at 120 volt. That would be 588 watts. (More for
starting, of course.)
Earl
that draw less than 700 watts?
that is rated at 4.9 amp at 120 volt. That would be 588 watts. (More for
starting, of course.)
Earl
> From:derbyrm@...(Roger Derby)to lose 10 to 20% of the available power. Are there any air conditioners
>Watts is watts is power, independent of the voltage. Any inverter is going
that draw less than 700 watts?
>I'd be really surprised to discover washers and dryers that use less (otherthan the kind you marry).
>Roger
>derbyrm at starband.net
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net>>
Ah! Then you would be looking for the James Bond model?
> Thankful that our hero has designed a plywood Long Ship for modern
> epoxy slooping viking wannabee's to build. Anyone think a 9.9 in a
> well opposite the steering oar would be a bad idea. Perhaps hidden
> under a chief's oak chest that folds aside for use. And maybe a
> pseudo-thatched wattle and twig A frame at the bow to conceal the
> obligatory head?
>
AHA!!!
Now it all makes sense to me: Avast ye maties! This is why Canadian
Ale is soooo much better than the imitation American Pilsner that is
commonly consumed in the USofA.
The Vikings actually went to Canada in their longboats and used beer
as ballast!!! then, once they ran out...they needed more to resupply
for the return voyage and introduced brewing to my northern cousins.
south of the border it is rumoured that Leif Erickson actually
landed in Bass River in Yarmouth, Massachusetts. But, judging by the
lack of a real proper brewpub on the South Cape, I doubt the truth
of this rumor.
The Budweiser company actually stole the name of their product from
the town of Bud (pronouned Bood) in the Czec Republic. Bud Weiser
mean Bud water, which in the American product rings true. it really
is like water. Pils (Czec Republic) is also nearby. If you want a
real pilsner this is a must for the avid beer drinker.
So, to bring this into a Bolger boating topic. If I build an AS29
and use several kegs of a fine Pilsner as ballast. It actually may
allow for longer distance voyaging. As well as attract good crew
for company.
Happy Building!
David Jost
"tomorrow marks the first decent day to work on the boat since
November!"
Now it all makes sense to me: Avast ye maties! This is why Canadian
Ale is soooo much better than the imitation American Pilsner that is
commonly consumed in the USofA.
The Vikings actually went to Canada in their longboats and used beer
as ballast!!! then, once they ran out...they needed more to resupply
for the return voyage and introduced brewing to my northern cousins.
south of the border it is rumoured that Leif Erickson actually
landed in Bass River in Yarmouth, Massachusetts. But, judging by the
lack of a real proper brewpub on the South Cape, I doubt the truth
of this rumor.
The Budweiser company actually stole the name of their product from
the town of Bud (pronouned Bood) in the Czec Republic. Bud Weiser
mean Bud water, which in the American product rings true. it really
is like water. Pils (Czec Republic) is also nearby. If you want a
real pilsner this is a must for the avid beer drinker.
So, to bring this into a Bolger boating topic. If I build an AS29
and use several kegs of a fine Pilsner as ballast. It actually may
allow for longer distance voyaging. As well as attract good crew
for company.
Happy Building!
David Jost
"tomorrow marks the first decent day to work on the boat since
November!"
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viking-ship-plans/
> > Did the vikings have beer in 900 AD?
-Hi
The whispergen comes from NZ from whence I hail. I know of a 40ft
bridgedeck cat with one installed and it runs all the boats systems
and provides heat for the cabin
PS i'M TOYING WITH BUILDING THE LIGHT SCHOONER, ANYONE GOT ANY HARD
DATA ON PERFORMANCE????
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
The whispergen comes from NZ from whence I hail. I know of a 40ft
bridgedeck cat with one installed and it runs all the boats systems
and provides heat for the cabin
PS i'M TOYING WITH BUILDING THE LIGHT SCHOONER, ANYONE GOT ANY HARD
DATA ON PERFORMANCE????
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>with
> wrote:
> :
> >http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
> >
> > Looks very interesting Peter,
> >
> > Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean after it went
> through
> > an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker run an air
> condioner,
> > waher and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a TV?
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
> I haven't a clue as to what this engine can do regarding your
> questions but, I figure that if one keeps things simple and goes
> 12v appliances throughout,then so long as there is fuel for thebe
> whispergen,a pirate could stay away from marinas for even longer
> stretches while keeping ye olde battery bank(s) topped up just
> right.
> Add to this solar panels and maybe even a wind generator and
> about the only reason to stay at a marina,while on a cruise,would
> to get more food or to take on some liquid ballast :-)from
> With Windermere,I'm aiming for as complete autonomy as possible
> from permanent shore side facilites.And ,don't forget,I'm coming
> the world of Micro cruising which I enjoyed thoroughly despite someoff
> minor sacrifices in animal comforts.With the incredible internal
> volume afforded by Windermere,the comfort quotient goes right up
> the clock and all that enclosed space not only means lots of roomfor
> beer-n-ice but great room for all sorts of nifty devices,like thefirst......Arrrrrrgh!
> whispergen, to maintain that self-sufficiancy so many of us seek.
> Only time will tell how the whole lot comes together in one co-
> hessive package.....gotta get the boat finished
> Matey!Windermere,pirate,
>
> sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,boatnut,endless dreamer,builder of
> beer guzzler par excellence and all around bum,from along theslowly
> melting shores of the St.Lawrence.............
--- David Romasco wrote:
a lot, and...
http://www.rvsolarelectric.com/inform.htm
...has a lot of info to educate how PV systems
are put together.
EBay sells solar panels now for about
$4/watt average price.
> I had a Siemens ... solar panel,The RV motorhome people go 'off grid'
a lot, and...
http://www.rvsolarelectric.com/inform.htm
...has a lot of info to educate how PV systems
are put together.
EBay sells solar panels now for about
$4/watt average price.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
and $13,500 US for the AC. That may be different now.
is a small 4-stroke genset. The RV industry has perfected these over
the past 15 years. Solar panels just keep getting more and more
expensive and they also seem to be much too delicate. They are
effective as trickle chargers to help keep batteries topped, but they
are not very effective for re-charging deep cycle batteries that have
become discharged. They just don't have enough amperage it what I
have been told.
Two 6 volt golf cart batteries can keep you living off the grid for
up to a week, using the genset as back-up.
I have a 1500 watt portable genset and paid less that $650 cdn. It
will operate a small microwave, but not a A/C. It has a japanese
motor made by Kawasaki. The Honda's are even quieter, but more
expensive.
Cheers, Nels
> I had emailed them a couple years ago and they where just settingup dealers in the USA. At that time they ran $12,000 US for the DC
and $13,500 US for the AC. That may be different now.
>By far the best "bang for the buck" when not connected to shore power
> Jeff
>
is a small 4-stroke genset. The RV industry has perfected these over
the past 15 years. Solar panels just keep getting more and more
expensive and they also seem to be much too delicate. They are
effective as trickle chargers to help keep batteries topped, but they
are not very effective for re-charging deep cycle batteries that have
become discharged. They just don't have enough amperage it what I
have been told.
Two 6 volt golf cart batteries can keep you living off the grid for
up to a week, using the genset as back-up.
I have a 1500 watt portable genset and paid less that $650 cdn. It
will operate a small microwave, but not a A/C. It has a japanese
motor made by Kawasaki. The Honda's are even quieter, but more
expensive.
Cheers, Nels
I had emailed them a couple years ago and they where just setting up dealers in the USA. At that time they ran $12,000 US for the DC and $13,500 US for the AC. That may be different now.
Jeff
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: soussouchew
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Interesting engine
Any idea how many pieces of eight (or, rather, US$) the
afore-said pirate would need to acquire a WhisperGen?
Vince
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Okay, okay.... FWIW, I used to live aboard a Morgan OI36 sloop in the harbor
in St. Thomas, USVI. I had a Siemens 80 volt solar panel, a WindBugger wind
generator, and a 175-amp alternator on my diesel engine. We had three 8D
Prevailer gel-cell batteries @ approx. 245 AH apiece. We also had a 2500
watt Heart inverter/charger. We had 12 volt refrigeration.
Based on the average wind and sun we received (trade winds, tropical sun),
the wind generator and the solar panel kept the battery bank around 90% full
charge. I would usually slip the mooring and motor across the harbor every
Sunday morning for breakfast, a New York Times, and topping off our fresh
water tank (small tank, many showers; my current boat has 240 gallons of the
stuff below decks). Within that system, we ran Hella fans 24/7, had a
good-sized 12 volt refrigerator/freezer, had halogen cabin lighting,
pressure f/w system, good-sized stereo, watched TV/VCR periodically, ran the
microwave, and for the showstopper, the Admiral would occasionally get out
her steam iron and flatten something.
BUT: Reread the above carefully! We had a BIG honking solar panel, the
WindBugger is a massive (and damned dangerous) piece of rotating gear, and
both were operating in an area that might be about as good as it gets for
wind and solar power. In other words, that free lunch might be further away
than you might think! * There are many panels, and many wind generators; I'd
research the claims versus actual delivered performance very carefully
before jumping in.
David Romasco
* - Although.... the Virgin Islands government cut me a check for 50% of the
cost of the Siemens panel. Why was that, you ask? Because I was reducing
the load on the island power grid! I deposited the check and ran.....
_____
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:34 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Interesting engine
--- Vince wrote:
Champlain was designed for the
criteria of extended stays,
away from the marina. PB&F
achieved that by specifying
a large [900AH] battery bank,
which gets charged 'on the plug'
about once a week. The idea
being, that you need a marina
for the hot shower about once
a week anyway.
What has PB&F specified for
Windermere's power system?
Even on MicroNav, I squeezed
in 40 Watts of photovoltaic
panel on the roof and 450 amp hours
of batteries. I am guessing that
40W panel will take a week for a full
charge of those batteries, so assuming
use on weekends only, they will solar
re-charge during the week.
With a roof the size of Windermere,
you could have a huge PV array, for
a cost on par with a purchased generator?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
in St. Thomas, USVI. I had a Siemens 80 volt solar panel, a WindBugger wind
generator, and a 175-amp alternator on my diesel engine. We had three 8D
Prevailer gel-cell batteries @ approx. 245 AH apiece. We also had a 2500
watt Heart inverter/charger. We had 12 volt refrigeration.
Based on the average wind and sun we received (trade winds, tropical sun),
the wind generator and the solar panel kept the battery bank around 90% full
charge. I would usually slip the mooring and motor across the harbor every
Sunday morning for breakfast, a New York Times, and topping off our fresh
water tank (small tank, many showers; my current boat has 240 gallons of the
stuff below decks). Within that system, we ran Hella fans 24/7, had a
good-sized 12 volt refrigerator/freezer, had halogen cabin lighting,
pressure f/w system, good-sized stereo, watched TV/VCR periodically, ran the
microwave, and for the showstopper, the Admiral would occasionally get out
her steam iron and flatten something.
BUT: Reread the above carefully! We had a BIG honking solar panel, the
WindBugger is a massive (and damned dangerous) piece of rotating gear, and
both were operating in an area that might be about as good as it gets for
wind and solar power. In other words, that free lunch might be further away
than you might think! * There are many panels, and many wind generators; I'd
research the claims versus actual delivered performance very carefully
before jumping in.
David Romasco
* - Although.... the Virgin Islands government cut me a check for 50% of the
cost of the Siemens panel. Why was that, you ask? Because I was reducing
the load on the island power grid! I deposited the check and ran.....
_____
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:34 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Interesting engine
--- Vince wrote:
> Any idea how many pieces& a similar question from me...
> of eight (or, rather, US$)
> the afore-said pirate would
> need to acquire a
> WhisperGen?
Champlain was designed for the
criteria of extended stays,
away from the marina. PB&F
achieved that by specifying
a large [900AH] battery bank,
which gets charged 'on the plug'
about once a week. The idea
being, that you need a marina
for the hot shower about once
a week anyway.
What has PB&F specified for
Windermere's power system?
Even on MicroNav, I squeezed
in 40 Watts of photovoltaic
panel on the roof and 450 amp hours
of batteries. I am guessing that
40W panel will take a week for a full
charge of those batteries, so assuming
use on weekends only, they will solar
re-charge during the week.
With a roof the size of Windermere,
you could have a huge PV array, for
a cost on par with a purchased generator?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Vince wrote:
Champlain was designed for the
criteria of extended stays,
away from the marina. PB&F
achieved that by specifying
a large [900AH] battery bank,
which gets charged 'on the plug'
about once a week. The idea
being, that you need a marina
for the hot shower about once
a week anyway.
What has PB&F specified for
Windermere's power system?
Even on MicroNav, I squeezed
in 40 Watts of photovoltaic
panel on the roof and 450 amp hours
of batteries. I am guessing that
40W panel will take a week for a full
charge of those batteries, so assuming
use on weekends only, they will solar
re-charge during the week.
With a roof the size of Windermere,
you could have a huge PV array, for
a cost on par with a purchased generator?
> Any idea how many pieces& a similar question from me...
> of eight (or, rather, US$)
> the afore-said pirate would
> need to acquire a
> WhisperGen?
Champlain was designed for the
criteria of extended stays,
away from the marina. PB&F
achieved that by specifying
a large [900AH] battery bank,
which gets charged 'on the plug'
about once a week. The idea
being, that you need a marina
for the hot shower about once
a week anyway.
What has PB&F specified for
Windermere's power system?
Even on MicroNav, I squeezed
in 40 Watts of photovoltaic
panel on the roof and 450 amp hours
of batteries. I am guessing that
40W panel will take a week for a full
charge of those batteries, so assuming
use on weekends only, they will solar
re-charge during the week.
With a roof the size of Windermere,
you could have a huge PV array, for
a cost on par with a purchased generator?
Any idea how many pieces of eight (or, rather, US$) the
afore-said pirate would need to acquire a WhisperGen?
Vince
afore-said pirate would need to acquire a WhisperGen?
Vince
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
:
I haven't a clue as to what this engine can do regarding your
questions but, I figure that if one keeps things simple and goes with
12v appliances throughout,then so long as there is fuel for the
whispergen,a pirate could stay away from marinas for even longer
stretches while keeping ye olde battery bank(s) topped up just
right.
Add to this solar panels and maybe even a wind generator and
about the only reason to stay at a marina,while on a cruise,would be
to get more food or to take on some liquid ballast :-)
With Windermere,I'm aiming for as complete autonomy as possible
from permanent shore side facilites.And ,don't forget,I'm coming from
the world of Micro cruising which I enjoyed thoroughly despite some
minor sacrifices in animal comforts.With the incredible internal
volume afforded by Windermere,the comfort quotient goes right up off
the clock and all that enclosed space not only means lots of room for
beer-n-ice but great room for all sorts of nifty devices,like the
whispergen, to maintain that self-sufficiancy so many of us seek.
Only time will tell how the whole lot comes together in one co-
hessive package.....gotta get the boat finished first......Arrrrrrgh!
Matey!
sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,boatnut,endless dreamer,builder of Windermere,pirate,
beer guzzler par excellence and all around bum,from along the slowly
melting shores of the St.Lawrence.............
wrote:
:
>http://www.whispergen.com/index.htmlthrough
>
> Looks very interesting Peter,
>
> Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean after it went
> an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker run an aircondioner,
> waher and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a TV?Hi Bruce,
I haven't a clue as to what this engine can do regarding your
questions but, I figure that if one keeps things simple and goes with
12v appliances throughout,then so long as there is fuel for the
whispergen,a pirate could stay away from marinas for even longer
stretches while keeping ye olde battery bank(s) topped up just
right.
Add to this solar panels and maybe even a wind generator and
about the only reason to stay at a marina,while on a cruise,would be
to get more food or to take on some liquid ballast :-)
With Windermere,I'm aiming for as complete autonomy as possible
from permanent shore side facilites.And ,don't forget,I'm coming from
the world of Micro cruising which I enjoyed thoroughly despite some
minor sacrifices in animal comforts.With the incredible internal
volume afforded by Windermere,the comfort quotient goes right up off
the clock and all that enclosed space not only means lots of room for
beer-n-ice but great room for all sorts of nifty devices,like the
whispergen, to maintain that self-sufficiancy so many of us seek.
Only time will tell how the whole lot comes together in one co-
hessive package.....gotta get the boat finished first......Arrrrrrgh!
Matey!
sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,boatnut,endless dreamer,builder of Windermere,pirate,
beer guzzler par excellence and all around bum,from along the slowly
melting shores of the St.Lawrence.............
Roger Derby wrote:
Chris
> Watts is watts is power, independent of the voltage. Any inverter is goingYes, 3/4 hp ACs are using about 570W
> to lose 10 to 20% of the available power. Are there any air conditioners
> that draw less than 700 watts?
Chris
Blimey, no wonder they were so belligeraent, the hangovers they had must have been horriffic or were they drinking 'small' beer in the morning>??!!!!!!
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:No doubt this all helped the boat building, as it does now.
All below is lifted off a viking site:
"Abusive beer drinking notwithstanding, beer remained the chief
component in all ancient Egyptian medicine and appears to have done
far more good than bad to these people of the Nile valley.
From the eighth through the tenth centuries A.D., Vikings spread
terror throughout the civilized world. In a state of ale-induced
"berserk" they raped, burned and pillaged their way through North
Africa, Holland, England, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, and Italy.
Viking brew was called AUL and from this word comes our English term
ALE; a beer style that spread wherever the Norsemen conquered new
lands. Viking women were the exclusive brewers in Norse society and
law dictated that all brewhouse equipment remained the property of
women only.
As to the creation of beer, Norse myth offered the following
explanation. The gods were at war with a human tribe called the Vans;
after much killing, a peace conference was arranged and a treaty was
sealed by members of both sides spitting into a jar. To preserve the
occasion, the gods shaped the saliva and some dust into a living man
named Kvaser. Kvaser was soon murdered by a race of dwarfs, his blood
being collected in an iron kettle. The enterprising dwarfs added honey
to the grue and the whole mess became ale.
Norse paradise, called Valhalla, was no less than a giant ale house
having 540 doors where the Viking god Woden entertained the dead with
tales of battles fought and flagons of ale. This ale streamed from the
udders of a mythic goat named Heidrun, whose endless bounty of beer
kept the divine company in a constant state of bliss.
On earth, Viking women drank ale, flagon for flagon, along with the
men. In a trance-like state, "Bragg" women foretold the future under
the influence of the ale they brewed. This "bragging" played a vital
role in religious life as did "runes," magical inscriptions placed on
ale cups to ward off evil:
Ale runes thou must know, if thou wilt not that another's wife thy
trust betray, if thou in her confide. On the ale horn must they be graven.
Sigdrifumal, 700 A.D.
The ancient Finnish people credited the birth of beer to the efforts
of three women preparing for a wedding feast. Osmotar, Kapo and
Kalevatar all labored unsuccessfully to produce the world's first beer
but their efforts fell flat along with the beer. Only when Kalevatar
combined saliva from a bear's mouth with wild honey did the beer foam
and the gift of ale come into the world of men. From the Kalevala, the
ancient Finnish account of the creation of the world we can see the
importance of ale in human society. In this early tale of the origin
of all things, the creation of ale is given twice the narrative space
than is devoted to the creation of the world:
Great indeed the reputation of the ancient beer--
Said to make the feeble hardy,
Famed to dry the tears of women,
Famed to cheer the broken-hearted,
Make the timid brave and mighty,
Fill the heart with joy and gladness,
Fill the mind with wisdom,
Fill the tongue with ancient legends,
Only makes the fool more foolish."
Bruce Hector
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
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Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:No doubt this all helped the boat building, as it does now.
All below is lifted off a viking site:
"Abusive beer drinking notwithstanding, beer remained the chief
component in all ancient Egyptian medicine and appears to have done
far more good than bad to these people of the Nile valley.
From the eighth through the tenth centuries A.D., Vikings spread
terror throughout the civilized world. In a state of ale-induced
"berserk" they raped, burned and pillaged their way through North
Africa, Holland, England, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, and Italy.
Viking brew was called AUL and from this word comes our English term
ALE; a beer style that spread wherever the Norsemen conquered new
lands. Viking women were the exclusive brewers in Norse society and
law dictated that all brewhouse equipment remained the property of
women only.
As to the creation of beer, Norse myth offered the following
explanation. The gods were at war with a human tribe called the Vans;
after much killing, a peace conference was arranged and a treaty was
sealed by members of both sides spitting into a jar. To preserve the
occasion, the gods shaped the saliva and some dust into a living man
named Kvaser. Kvaser was soon murdered by a race of dwarfs, his blood
being collected in an iron kettle. The enterprising dwarfs added honey
to the grue and the whole mess became ale.
Norse paradise, called Valhalla, was no less than a giant ale house
having 540 doors where the Viking god Woden entertained the dead with
tales of battles fought and flagons of ale. This ale streamed from the
udders of a mythic goat named Heidrun, whose endless bounty of beer
kept the divine company in a constant state of bliss.
On earth, Viking women drank ale, flagon for flagon, along with the
men. In a trance-like state, "Bragg" women foretold the future under
the influence of the ale they brewed. This "bragging" played a vital
role in religious life as did "runes," magical inscriptions placed on
ale cups to ward off evil:
Ale runes thou must know, if thou wilt not that another's wife thy
trust betray, if thou in her confide. On the ale horn must they be graven.
Sigdrifumal, 700 A.D.
The ancient Finnish people credited the birth of beer to the efforts
of three women preparing for a wedding feast. Osmotar, Kapo and
Kalevatar all labored unsuccessfully to produce the world's first beer
but their efforts fell flat along with the beer. Only when Kalevatar
combined saliva from a bear's mouth with wild honey did the beer foam
and the gift of ale come into the world of men. From the Kalevala, the
ancient Finnish account of the creation of the world we can see the
importance of ale in human society. In this early tale of the origin
of all things, the creation of ale is given twice the narrative space
than is devoted to the creation of the world:
Great indeed the reputation of the ancient beer--
Said to make the feeble hardy,
Famed to dry the tears of women,
Famed to cheer the broken-hearted,
Make the timid brave and mighty,
Fill the heart with joy and gladness,
Fill the mind with wisdom,
Fill the tongue with ancient legends,
Only makes the fool more foolish."
Bruce Hector
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No doubt this all helped the boat building, as it does now.
All below is lifted off a viking site:
"Abusive beer drinking notwithstanding, beer remained the chief
component in all ancient Egyptian medicine and appears to have done
far more good than bad to these people of the Nile valley.
From the eighth through the tenth centuries A.D., Vikings spread
terror throughout the civilized world. In a state of ale-induced
"berserk" they raped, burned and pillaged their way through North
Africa, Holland, England, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, and Italy.
Viking brew was called AUL and from this word comes our English term
ALE; a beer style that spread wherever the Norsemen conquered new
lands. Viking women were the exclusive brewers in Norse society and
law dictated that all brewhouse equipment remained the property of
women only.
As to the creation of beer, Norse myth offered the following
explanation. The gods were at war with a human tribe called the Vans;
after much killing, a peace conference was arranged and a treaty was
sealed by members of both sides spitting into a jar. To preserve the
occasion, the gods shaped the saliva and some dust into a living man
named Kvaser. Kvaser was soon murdered by a race of dwarfs, his blood
being collected in an iron kettle. The enterprising dwarfs added honey
to the grue and the whole mess became ale.
Norse paradise, called Valhalla, was no less than a giant ale house
having 540 doors where the Viking god Woden entertained the dead with
tales of battles fought and flagons of ale. This ale streamed from the
udders of a mythic goat named Heidrun, whose endless bounty of beer
kept the divine company in a constant state of bliss.
On earth, Viking women drank ale, flagon for flagon, along with the
men. In a trance-like state, "Bragg" women foretold the future under
the influence of the ale they brewed. This "bragging" played a vital
role in religious life as did "runes," magical inscriptions placed on
ale cups to ward off evil:
Ale runes thou must know, if thou wilt not that another's wife thy
trust betray, if thou in her confide. On the ale horn must they be graven.
Sigdrifumal, 700 A.D.
The ancient Finnish people credited the birth of beer to the efforts
of three women preparing for a wedding feast. Osmotar, Kapo and
Kalevatar all labored unsuccessfully to produce the world's first beer
but their efforts fell flat along with the beer. Only when Kalevatar
combined saliva from a bear's mouth with wild honey did the beer foam
and the gift of ale come into the world of men. From the Kalevala, the
ancient Finnish account of the creation of the world we can see the
importance of ale in human society. In this early tale of the origin
of all things, the creation of ale is given twice the narrative space
than is devoted to the creation of the world:
Great indeed the reputation of the ancient beer--
Said to make the feeble hardy,
Famed to dry the tears of women,
Famed to cheer the broken-hearted,
Make the timid brave and mighty,
Fill the heart with joy and gladness,
Fill the mind with wisdom,
Fill the tongue with ancient legends,
Only makes the fool more foolish."
Bruce Hector
All below is lifted off a viking site:
"Abusive beer drinking notwithstanding, beer remained the chief
component in all ancient Egyptian medicine and appears to have done
far more good than bad to these people of the Nile valley.
From the eighth through the tenth centuries A.D., Vikings spread
terror throughout the civilized world. In a state of ale-induced
"berserk" they raped, burned and pillaged their way through North
Africa, Holland, England, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, and Italy.
Viking brew was called AUL and from this word comes our English term
ALE; a beer style that spread wherever the Norsemen conquered new
lands. Viking women were the exclusive brewers in Norse society and
law dictated that all brewhouse equipment remained the property of
women only.
As to the creation of beer, Norse myth offered the following
explanation. The gods were at war with a human tribe called the Vans;
after much killing, a peace conference was arranged and a treaty was
sealed by members of both sides spitting into a jar. To preserve the
occasion, the gods shaped the saliva and some dust into a living man
named Kvaser. Kvaser was soon murdered by a race of dwarfs, his blood
being collected in an iron kettle. The enterprising dwarfs added honey
to the grue and the whole mess became ale.
Norse paradise, called Valhalla, was no less than a giant ale house
having 540 doors where the Viking god Woden entertained the dead with
tales of battles fought and flagons of ale. This ale streamed from the
udders of a mythic goat named Heidrun, whose endless bounty of beer
kept the divine company in a constant state of bliss.
On earth, Viking women drank ale, flagon for flagon, along with the
men. In a trance-like state, "Bragg" women foretold the future under
the influence of the ale they brewed. This "bragging" played a vital
role in religious life as did "runes," magical inscriptions placed on
ale cups to ward off evil:
Ale runes thou must know, if thou wilt not that another's wife thy
trust betray, if thou in her confide. On the ale horn must they be graven.
Sigdrifumal, 700 A.D.
The ancient Finnish people credited the birth of beer to the efforts
of three women preparing for a wedding feast. Osmotar, Kapo and
Kalevatar all labored unsuccessfully to produce the world's first beer
but their efforts fell flat along with the beer. Only when Kalevatar
combined saliva from a bear's mouth with wild honey did the beer foam
and the gift of ale come into the world of men. From the Kalevala, the
ancient Finnish account of the creation of the world we can see the
importance of ale in human society. In this early tale of the origin
of all things, the creation of ale is given twice the narrative space
than is devoted to the creation of the world:
Great indeed the reputation of the ancient beer--
Said to make the feeble hardy,
Famed to dry the tears of women,
Famed to cheer the broken-hearted,
Make the timid brave and mighty,
Fill the heart with joy and gladness,
Fill the mind with wisdom,
Fill the tongue with ancient legends,
Only makes the fool more foolish."
Bruce Hector
Arrgggghhhhh! Said with a Norse accent of course!
They had wine, beer and mead. They loved to drink, a situation not
totally unknown to the contemporary boatbuilder and they invented the
original moaning bench hewn from a decently sized log and propped up
near the fire.
Distilled spirits were not discovered yet, or if so, were unknown in
the heathen north. It's debatable whether or not the Benedictine monks
were makeing Benedictine or not then.
They ate meat! Beef, mutton, pork, sausage, fowl, venison, fish of all
kind, including of course herring. Smoked, baked, stuffed, pickled,
poached, and of course raw (wiking sushi?).
They ate veggies: all the cabbage family, turnip, carrots, greens,
onions, and green beans. Of course potatoes, peppers and tomatoes were
unknown.
Bread and cereals: Wheat and buckwheatd, spelt, quinoa, oats. For
breads and porridges (gruels ands slops) actually best chucked in the
ale kegs.
And they had deserts and fruits: apples, cherries, berries, honey,
rhubarb led to bread puddings and preserves.
But best of all, they were the original pirates. Their motto, "If you
can take it, you deserve it!"
And they knew what to do with a boat building innovation gone terribly
wrong, they burned it!
Thooorrrrrrr! Wooottaaaaaaaaannnnnnn!
Brukvaar the Beserker
Thankful that our hero has designed a plywood Long Ship for modern
epoxy slooping viking wannabee's to build. Anyone think a 9.9 in a
well opposite the steering oar would be a bad idea. Perhaps hidden
under a chief's oak chest that folds aside for use. And maybe a
pseudo-thatched wattle and twig A frame at the bow to conceal the
obligatory head?
Are there 14 berserker trainees hereabouts wanting a wee pull on a 40
foot Viking ship?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viking-ship-plans/
They had wine, beer and mead. They loved to drink, a situation not
totally unknown to the contemporary boatbuilder and they invented the
original moaning bench hewn from a decently sized log and propped up
near the fire.
Distilled spirits were not discovered yet, or if so, were unknown in
the heathen north. It's debatable whether or not the Benedictine monks
were makeing Benedictine or not then.
They ate meat! Beef, mutton, pork, sausage, fowl, venison, fish of all
kind, including of course herring. Smoked, baked, stuffed, pickled,
poached, and of course raw (wiking sushi?).
They ate veggies: all the cabbage family, turnip, carrots, greens,
onions, and green beans. Of course potatoes, peppers and tomatoes were
unknown.
Bread and cereals: Wheat and buckwheatd, spelt, quinoa, oats. For
breads and porridges (gruels ands slops) actually best chucked in the
ale kegs.
And they had deserts and fruits: apples, cherries, berries, honey,
rhubarb led to bread puddings and preserves.
But best of all, they were the original pirates. Their motto, "If you
can take it, you deserve it!"
And they knew what to do with a boat building innovation gone terribly
wrong, they burned it!
Thooorrrrrrr! Wooottaaaaaaaaannnnnnn!
Brukvaar the Beserker
Thankful that our hero has designed a plywood Long Ship for modern
epoxy slooping viking wannabee's to build. Anyone think a 9.9 in a
well opposite the steering oar would be a bad idea. Perhaps hidden
under a chief's oak chest that folds aside for use. And maybe a
pseudo-thatched wattle and twig A frame at the bow to conceal the
obligatory head?
Are there 14 berserker trainees hereabouts wanting a wee pull on a 40
foot Viking ship?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viking-ship-plans/
>They had mead, I think. A fermented honey drink.>.. and if you knew how it was made and under what conditions, there'd be no wondering why they had them thar "berserkers" !
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Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
Did the vikings have beer in 900 AD?
Bruce--
Beer is the reason why the Vikings built boats to begin with--to get to the parties! Where's the fun being stuck up some lonely fiord when you could be over raiding some Englishman's lager? Of course over the years the parties got a little out of control--a few villages burned down--a few (thousand) peasants murdered--the Vikings proving to be mean drunks and all. But hey! What's a little mayhem among friends? It probably safe to say the the Vikings were the original Bolgeristas!
Too--think about this: boats, beer. Boats, lager. Bo---L-ger. Bo-l-ger. Bolger. Coincidence? I think not.
OK--I'll go away now.
John
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Did the vikings have beer in 900 AD?
Bruce--
Beer is the reason why the Vikings built boats to begin with--to get to the parties! Where's the fun being stuck up some lonely fiord when you could be over raiding some Englishman's lager? Of course over the years the parties got a little out of control--a few villages burned down--a few (thousand) peasants murdered--the Vikings proving to be mean drunks and all. But hey! What's a little mayhem among friends? It probably safe to say the the Vikings were the original Bolgeristas!
Too--think about this: boats, beer. Boats, lager. Bo---L-ger. Bo-l-ger. Bolger. Coincidence? I think not.
OK--I'll go away now.
John
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They had mead, I think. A fermented honey drink. No beer.
Jim
Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Slowly being drawn into the world of viking longships. Will need 14
> strong backs to go for a row!
> Just call be Brukvaar the Berserker!
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viking-ship-plans/
> Did the vikings have beer in 900 AD?
Watts is watts is power, independent of the voltage. Any inverter is going
to lose 10 to 20% of the available power. Are there any air conditioners
that draw less than 700 watts?
I'd be really surprised to discover washers and dryers that use less (other
than the kind you marry).
Roger
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
to lose 10 to 20% of the available power. Are there any air conditioners
that draw less than 700 watts?
I'd be really surprised to discover washers and dryers that use less (other
than the kind you marry).
Roger
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
>http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
>
> Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean after it went through
> an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker run an air condioner,
> washer and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a TV?
> Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean after it went throughI don t think you could be able to connect an inverter directly. Too risky.
> an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker run an air condioner,
> waher and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a TV?
So the time your inverter would work, depends on the amperes capacity of
your 12v or 24v battery pack.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
Looks very interesting Peter,
Any idea what 750 watts @ 24 DC volts would mean after it went through
an inverter to AC power? Likw, will this sucker run an air condioner,
waher and dryer, etc. or just some lights and a TV?
Bruce Hector
Slowly being drawn into the world of viking longships. Will need 14
strong backs to go for a row!
Just call be Brukvaar the Berserker!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viking-ship-plans/
Did the vikings have beer in 900 AD?
Bolgerados,
Here is a link to a rather interesting means of generating
ones own electricity and heat.Might be good to have on some of the
larger live-a-board Bolger designs.
http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
Peter Lenihan
Here is a link to a rather interesting means of generating
ones own electricity and heat.Might be good to have on some of the
larger live-a-board Bolger designs.
http://www.whispergen.com/index.html
Peter Lenihan