Re: Light Schooner/scooner?
> ...people who were almost impressed until it happened1
> > Perhaps it is just the entertainment value
> > of a boat that folds in half?
> lots of fun when the chainblock jams up on the boat ramp. lots of
> >too right! we even camp in itin the driveway at home.
> Also, I am figuring, the Folding Schooner
> would make a better 'camping platform'
> than a Light Schooner.
cheers paul
--- fountainb wrote:
explaining to perplexed bystanders the
holes cut in the bow transom of my Micro.
Also, I have room to store a Folding
Schooner on my driveway, but a Light
Schooner would not fit.
From what I have read, the Folding
Schooner seems a bit less likely
to capsize than a Light Schooner.
Also, I am figuring, the Folding Schooner
would make a better 'camping platform'
than a Light Schooner.
> I am not sure I get the folding scooner....
> Perhaps it is just the entertainment valueYes, of course! I get a similar kick
> of a boat that folds in half?
explaining to perplexed bystanders the
holes cut in the bow transom of my Micro.
Also, I have room to store a Folding
Schooner on my driveway, but a Light
Schooner would not fit.
From what I have read, the Folding
Schooner seems a bit less likely
to capsize than a Light Schooner.
Also, I am figuring, the Folding Schooner
would make a better 'camping platform'
than a Light Schooner.
Bruce Hallman wrote:
very long, is also light and shallow and I wouldn't have thought
it would be too much of a bear to trailer or launch. Folding and
unfolding the FS sounds like a bit of a trial however.
Paul Day chose the FS because he has to take it bush bashing
to reach the only navigable water in Kalgoorlie, but for most of
us I would think the LS would be a lot easier.
Perhaps it is just the entertainment value of a boat that folds in half?
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> I have been dreaming of theI am not sure I get the folding scooner. The light scooner, while
> Folding Schooner as a 'next'
> project, I wonder if the
> performance is along the same
> order of magnitude as Light
> Schooner?
very long, is also light and shallow and I wouldn't have thought
it would be too much of a bear to trailer or launch. Folding and
unfolding the FS sounds like a bit of a trial however.
Paul Day chose the FS because he has to take it bush bashing
to reach the only navigable water in Kalgoorlie, but for most of
us I would think the LS would be a lot easier.
Perhaps it is just the entertainment value of a boat that folds in half?
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Gregg,
Wasn't thinking of leaving them behind, just not making them in the
first place. Tent would use replacement poles from small dome tent
and anchor light would be powerboat 360 degree stern light on tall
(54") pole.
From what everyone says about the sailing qualities of the light
schooner, however, the main reason for not building one as a power
sharpie is "what a shame."
Oh, well, lots more pondering even before getting to planning stage.
Thanks for your response.
Chris Stewart
Wasn't thinking of leaving them behind, just not making them in the
first place. Tent would use replacement poles from small dome tent
and anchor light would be powerboat 360 degree stern light on tall
(54") pole.
From what everyone says about the sailing qualities of the light
schooner, however, the main reason for not building one as a power
sharpie is "what a shame."
Oh, well, lots more pondering even before getting to planning stage.
Thanks for your response.
Chris Stewart
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ghartc" <ghartc@s...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Good question...I *think* I get about 5 or 6 knots under 2 hp
> horsepower (it's been awhile). I think it would row well, too.
>
> Yes, I think it would make a great camp cruiser. I don't know why
> you'd leave the masts behind, though, seems like an easily reefed
rig
> might be a better solution for shorthanding. In fact, it sails
well
> under jib and reefed main (or swap main with the smaller foresail?).
>
> Without your rigs - how are you going to set those slick boom
tents?
> I have anchor lights on both masts - you gotta have that!
>
> Gregg
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart" <stewtone@m...>
wrote:
> > Does the 2 hp motor push her anywhere close to hull speed? I
don't
> > have (and realistically, probably don't want) a good-sized crew,
> but
> > a light schooner with a tent or very light cuddy, and no spars,
> > strikes me as an interesting minimalist power sharpie camp
cruiser.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Chris Stewart
Chris,
Good question...I *think* I get about 5 or 6 knots under 2 hp
horsepower (it's been awhile). I think it would row well, too.
Yes, I think it would make a great camp cruiser. I don't know why
you'd leave the masts behind, though, seems like an easily reefed rig
might be a better solution for shorthanding. In fact, it sails well
under jib and reefed main (or swap main with the smaller foresail?).
Without your rigs - how are you going to set those slick boom tents?
I have anchor lights on both masts - you gotta have that!
Gregg
Good question...I *think* I get about 5 or 6 knots under 2 hp
horsepower (it's been awhile). I think it would row well, too.
Yes, I think it would make a great camp cruiser. I don't know why
you'd leave the masts behind, though, seems like an easily reefed rig
might be a better solution for shorthanding. In fact, it sails well
under jib and reefed main (or swap main with the smaller foresail?).
Without your rigs - how are you going to set those slick boom tents?
I have anchor lights on both masts - you gotta have that!
Gregg
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Stewart" <stewtone@m...> wrote:
> Does the 2 hp motor push her anywhere close to hull speed? I don't
> have (and realistically, probably don't want) a good-sized crew,
but
> a light schooner with a tent or very light cuddy, and no spars,
> strikes me as an interesting minimalist power sharpie camp cruiser.
> What do you think?
>
> Chris Stewart
Greg,
Does the 2 hp motor push her anywhere close to hull speed? I don't
have (and realistically, probably don't want) a good-sized crew, but
a light schooner with a tent or very light cuddy, and no spars,
strikes me as an interesting minimalist power sharpie camp cruiser.
What do you think?
Chris Stewart
Does the 2 hp motor push her anywhere close to hull speed? I don't
have (and realistically, probably don't want) a good-sized crew, but
a light schooner with a tent or very light cuddy, and no spars,
strikes me as an interesting minimalist power sharpie camp cruiser.
What do you think?
Chris Stewart
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ghartc" <ghartc@s...> wrote:
> The LS is fast - 6-7 knots upwind and 10-12 offwind with a little
> breeze. It is faster on one upwind tack, probably due to the off-
> center board. It takes a good-size crew to sail it fast, but
that's
> part of the fun. Lots of strings to pull.
Thanks to all those who replied to my initial query. I like the idea
of fast, hot rod etc ( my wimpy 2nd choice was to just buy an old
hobie, this project sounds like more fun).
I'll probably do the forward cuddy thing as conditions where i'll be
living dictates it--- I'm about to leave the sunny shores of the US
and return to the homeland. Been cruising with the family on a 45 ft
ketch for six years and can't face the thought of being back home
boatless.
One thing is I like to sail with less than 9 people aboard, any ideas
on a water ballast systems so I could go fast without buying out the
local deli for enough sandwiches?
Wonder if I'd have the only LS in NZ?
Thanks again
David
of fast, hot rod etc ( my wimpy 2nd choice was to just buy an old
hobie, this project sounds like more fun).
I'll probably do the forward cuddy thing as conditions where i'll be
living dictates it--- I'm about to leave the sunny shores of the US
and return to the homeland. Been cruising with the family on a 45 ft
ketch for six years and can't face the thought of being back home
boatless.
One thing is I like to sail with less than 9 people aboard, any ideas
on a water ballast systems so I could go fast without buying out the
local deli for enough sandwiches?
Wonder if I'd have the only LS in NZ?
Thanks again
David
Coming at things from the opposite side (no rides in a FS), I'd have
to guess the Folding Schooner is a little more manageable. Less sail
area + longer waterline = less healing.
I sit on the rail of my teal all the time, (and sometimes fall out!)
No reason you couldn't do the same thing in an FS. Outfitted with
plenty of flotation and she'd be no less seaworthy than an LS (not a
strong statement.)
Maybe not as fast as an LS, but I'd still bet the Folding Schooner is
plenty fast.
YIBB,
David
Scooner, I would say no. One of the big differences is that the FS
lacks the wash decks so it's a sit-on-the-bottom proposition. Since
you can't get the hiking power, the rig has to be a little smaller.
On the other hand, you do get length, and you do have plenty of sail,
so there is a wonderful whoosh on a reach.
My FS sail was the boat's inaugural run, so we were a bit timid, but
I do wonder if she would be happy in some of the stronger winds the
LS guys have described. When all is said and done, she's a light
weight, low-sided, open skiff, and not really a sea-going proposition.
Peter
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to guess the Folding Schooner is a little more manageable. Less sail
area + longer waterline = less healing.
I sit on the rail of my teal all the time, (and sometimes fall out!)
No reason you couldn't do the same thing in an FS. Outfitted with
plenty of flotation and she'd be no less seaworthy than an LS (not a
strong statement.)
Maybe not as fast as an LS, but I'd still bet the Folding Schooner is
plenty fast.
YIBB,
David
> I have been dreaming of theBased on one sail in a Folding Schooner, and zero sails in a Light
> Folding Schooner as a 'next'
> project, I wonder if the
> performance is along the same
> order of magnitude as Light
> Schooner?
Scooner, I would say no. One of the big differences is that the FS
lacks the wash decks so it's a sit-on-the-bottom proposition. Since
you can't get the hiking power, the rig has to be a little smaller.
On the other hand, you do get length, and you do have plenty of sail,
so there is a wonderful whoosh on a reach.
My FS sail was the boat's inaugural run, so we were a bit timid, but
I do wonder if she would be happy in some of the stronger winds the
LS guys have described. When all is said and done, she's a light
weight, low-sided, open skiff, and not really a sea-going proposition.
Peter
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> I have been dreaming of theBased on one sail in a Folding Schooner, and zero sails in a Light
> Folding Schooner as a 'next'
> project, I wonder if the
> performance is along the same
> order of magnitude as Light
> Schooner?
Scooner, I would say no. One of the big differences is that the FS
lacks the wash decks so it's a sit-on-the-bottom proposition. Since
you can't get the hiking power, the rig has to be a little smaller.
On the other hand, you do get length, and you do have plenty of sail,
so there is a wonderful whoosh on a reach.
My FS sail was the boat's inaugural run, so we were a bit timid, but
I do wonder if she would be happy in some of the stronger winds the
LS guys have described. When all is said and done, she's a light
weight, low-sided, open skiff, and not really a sea-going proposition.
Peter
--- David Ryan wrote:
Folding Schooner as a 'next'
project, I wonder if the
performance is along the same
order of magnitude as Light
Schooner?
> I love my LightI have been dreaming of the
> Scooner, but the
> boat is definitely a hotrod.
Folding Schooner as a 'next'
project, I wonder if the
performance is along the same
order of magnitude as Light
Schooner?
I can't add much to Greg's comments. I love my Light Scooner, but the
boat is definitely a hotrod. If you want an easy day out, you need to
take a lot of the sail down (easy enough to do, but seems a pity).
I've had 9 aboard in a stiff afternoon shorebreeze and the boat still
planed, (and nearly planed going to weather!) The boat is AMAZING in
light air, I've been out when the water was barely rippled and
clocked mine at 4+ knots. These are my favorite conditions for family
outings. Gentle sailing, but still moves along nicely.
Don't build the boat if you don't like people paying attention to you
where ever you go. She looks much better in person than any of the
photos you've seen online.
If you do a cuddy, make it removable. You'll need the rail for live
ballast when you've got her out in a breeze!
-David
The LS is fast - 6-7 knots upwind and 10-12 offwind with a little
breeze. It is faster on one upwind tack, probably due to the off-
center board. It takes a good-size crew to sail it fast, but that's
part of the fun. Lots of strings to pull.
If I was going to build another, I'd plan on really fancy, deep foils
in the water to help point. And, I've been looking for a couple
trapeze sets for the main mast.
It will capsize as it's really just a huge dinghy. It's so long, it
tends to poke through motorboat wakes, which end up in the forward
cockpit. A breakwater or coming/house would be good.
*I* wouldn't call it seaworthy at all. Then again, guys used to race
small catamarans 1000 miles in the gulfstream in the Worrell 1000, so
I guess it depends on whether treading water, oh, 10 miles offshore
seems problematic or not ;-}
It's a really neat boat, and if you set it up with some decent foils
and sails and all, pretty zippy. Definitely shocking.
Gregg Carlson
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boat is definitely a hotrod. If you want an easy day out, you need to
take a lot of the sail down (easy enough to do, but seems a pity).
I've had 9 aboard in a stiff afternoon shorebreeze and the boat still
planed, (and nearly planed going to weather!) The boat is AMAZING in
light air, I've been out when the water was barely rippled and
clocked mine at 4+ knots. These are my favorite conditions for family
outings. Gentle sailing, but still moves along nicely.
Don't build the boat if you don't like people paying attention to you
where ever you go. She looks much better in person than any of the
photos you've seen online.
If you do a cuddy, make it removable. You'll need the rail for live
ballast when you've got her out in a breeze!
-David
The LS is fast - 6-7 knots upwind and 10-12 offwind with a little
breeze. It is faster on one upwind tack, probably due to the off-
center board. It takes a good-size crew to sail it fast, but that's
part of the fun. Lots of strings to pull.
If I was going to build another, I'd plan on really fancy, deep foils
in the water to help point. And, I've been looking for a couple
trapeze sets for the main mast.
It will capsize as it's really just a huge dinghy. It's so long, it
tends to poke through motorboat wakes, which end up in the forward
cockpit. A breakwater or coming/house would be good.
*I* wouldn't call it seaworthy at all. Then again, guys used to race
small catamarans 1000 miles in the gulfstream in the Worrell 1000, so
I guess it depends on whether treading water, oh, 10 miles offshore
seems problematic or not ;-}
It's a really neat boat, and if you set it up with some decent foils
and sails and all, pretty zippy. Definitely shocking.
Gregg Carlson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oceanplodder2003" <dana-
tenacity@u...> wrote:
> I'm intrigued by the boat and am toying with putting one togetherin
> dear old NZ, shock the locals and all.Bolger rules!!!
>
> Has anyone any hard data on performance??? seaworthiness??? what
> about a small cuddy over the forward cockpit???
>
> Thanks
>
> David
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The LS is fast - 6-7 knots upwind and 10-12 offwind with a little
breeze. It is faster on one upwind tack, probably due to the off-
center board. It takes a good-size crew to sail it fast, but that's
part of the fun. Lots of strings to pull.
If I was going to build another, I'd plan on really fancy, deep foils
in the water to help point. And, I've been looking for a couple
trapeze sets for the main mast.
It will capsize as it's really just a huge dinghy. It's so long, it
tends to poke through motorboat wakes, which end up in the forward
cockpit. A breakwater or coming/house would be good.
*I* wouldn't call it seaworthy at all. Then again, guys used to race
small catamarans 1000 miles in the gulfstream in the Worrell 1000, so
I guess it depends on whether treading water, oh, 10 miles offshore
seems problematic or not ;-}
It's a really neat boat, and if you set it up with some decent foils
and sails and all, pretty zippy. Definitely shocking.
Gregg Carlson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oceanplodder2003" <dana-
tenacity@u...> wrote:
breeze. It is faster on one upwind tack, probably due to the off-
center board. It takes a good-size crew to sail it fast, but that's
part of the fun. Lots of strings to pull.
If I was going to build another, I'd plan on really fancy, deep foils
in the water to help point. And, I've been looking for a couple
trapeze sets for the main mast.
It will capsize as it's really just a huge dinghy. It's so long, it
tends to poke through motorboat wakes, which end up in the forward
cockpit. A breakwater or coming/house would be good.
*I* wouldn't call it seaworthy at all. Then again, guys used to race
small catamarans 1000 miles in the gulfstream in the Worrell 1000, so
I guess it depends on whether treading water, oh, 10 miles offshore
seems problematic or not ;-}
It's a really neat boat, and if you set it up with some decent foils
and sails and all, pretty zippy. Definitely shocking.
Gregg Carlson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oceanplodder2003" <dana-
tenacity@u...> wrote:
> I'm intrigued by the boat and am toying with putting one togetherin
> dear old NZ, shock the locals and all.
>
> Has anyone any hard data on performance??? seaworthiness??? what
> about a small cuddy over the forward cockpit???
>
> Thanks
>
> David
I'm intrigued by the boat and am toying with putting one together in
dear old NZ, shock the locals and all.
Has anyone any hard data on performance??? seaworthiness??? what
about a small cuddy over the forward cockpit???
Thanks
David
dear old NZ, shock the locals and all.
Has anyone any hard data on performance??? seaworthiness??? what
about a small cuddy over the forward cockpit???
Thanks
David