2x scale nymph, etc
Guys,
First I apologize for not 'Snipping' a lot of the 'prelude' - but it is
valid to my 'suggestion'.
While not a 'sailboat' {and neither is Nymph - too much 'rocker' - her
design is for rowing}there seems to be a design in existence that *MAY*
meet all the criteria mentioned.
If memory serves it is called the 'GP16' by Jim Bettis {spl ?}. I think
he advertises in MAIB and Boatbuilder.
The idea of the name originates with the concept of the Army 'Jeep' -
'General Purpose'. It has a decent sized dry cabin, a 'scow' profile
{very much like a 'pram'} and a 'drop down' front like a landing boat.
All in about 16 feet LOA !!.
'Plain as Dirt', but that's how many people characterize many of
Bolger's designs. So to for the West Wight Potter 15 - which is what I
recommend if you are looking for a 'Micro-Cruiser Cabin Sailboat' with
the capability of rowing !
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:55:23 -0800
From: Mark <marka@...>
Subject: Re: 2x scale Nymph
Ask for MAIB Volume 18, #2; June 1, 2000. Or contact PB&F.
"Nymph Cubed"
Design #527
15'6" x 7'0" x 10'6"
1800 pounds displacement
panels...
story, that a bare hull looks deceptively like a boat, that has trapped
a lot of people, including some who should have known better. The
ergonomics of the cuddy were unsatisfactory. And given the prejudice
against pram bows in anything but tenders, and the unfamiliarity of the
lateen rig, it seemed likely to be a hard sell regardless of its merits.
We put it aside for reflection.
have felt spirited and been handy. It would have looked neat and
ship-shape under sail since it was laid out in such a way that two
people could sit on the weather side without spoiling her fore-and-aft
trim. It would have carried enough ballast to carry sail very well. Its
too low sided to have a seagoing range of stability, though the high
bilge and low rig would have made it forgiving enough for fine weather
coastal cruising. For that matter, much worse seaboats have crossed
oceans, with luck and skill.
Lincoln Ross wrote:
First I apologize for not 'Snipping' a lot of the 'prelude' - but it is
valid to my 'suggestion'.
While not a 'sailboat' {and neither is Nymph - too much 'rocker' - her
design is for rowing}there seems to be a design in existence that *MAY*
meet all the criteria mentioned.
If memory serves it is called the 'GP16' by Jim Bettis {spl ?}. I think
he advertises in MAIB and Boatbuilder.
The idea of the name originates with the concept of the Army 'Jeep' -
'General Purpose'. It has a decent sized dry cabin, a 'scow' profile
{very much like a 'pram'} and a 'drop down' front like a landing boat.
All in about 16 feet LOA !!.
'Plain as Dirt', but that's how many people characterize many of
Bolger's designs. So to for the West Wight Potter 15 - which is what I
recommend if you are looking for a 'Micro-Cruiser Cabin Sailboat' with
the capability of rowing !
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:55:23 -0800
From: Mark <marka@...>
Subject: Re: 2x scale Nymph
Ask for MAIB Volume 18, #2; June 1, 2000. Or contact PB&F.
"Nymph Cubed"
Design #527
15'6" x 7'0" x 10'6"
1800 pounds displacement
>From the text:We got out a set of lines and offsets and expansions of all the
panels...
> At this point we had begun to have misgivings about it. It had begunto look like a long job to finish after the basic assembly; the old
story, that a bare hull looks deceptively like a boat, that has trapped
a lot of people, including some who should have known better. The
ergonomics of the cuddy were unsatisfactory. And given the prejudice
against pram bows in anything but tenders, and the unfamiliarity of the
lateen rig, it seemed likely to be a hard sell regardless of its merits.
We put it aside for reflection.
>eleven feet on the water line is going to sail very fast, but it would
> It would have been a highly respectable sailer of its class. No boat
have felt spirited and been handy. It would have looked neat and
ship-shape under sail since it was laid out in such a way that two
people could sit on the weather side without spoiling her fore-and-aft
trim. It would have carried enough ballast to carry sail very well. Its
too low sided to have a seagoing range of stability, though the high
bilge and low rig would have made it forgiving enough for fine weather
coastal cruising. For that matter, much worse seaboats have crossed
oceans, with luck and skill.
>would be bound to be damp with drip from the hatch.
> Noisy at anchor...
> Dry out nicely upright on mud...
> Only3/8" planking; steel shoe a good idea...
>
> There is no place to get really comfortable in the tiny cuddy and it
>the very young, not good value in reality
> This is one of those designs that is good fun on paper, especially for
Lincoln Ross wrote:
>issues.
> See below:
>
> >Jason Stancil wrote:
> >snip
> >You're on to me i'm thinking about making a nymph micro cruiser. Can
> >you remember where you saw that bolger article or how i can get my
> >hands on it?
> >
> Probably MAIB (Messing Around in Boats, and I'm sure a bit of web
> surfing will find the contact info), which I believe sells back
> I bet if you snail mail MAIB they can tell you which issue. Or theremay
> be indexes on line someplace.and
>
> >More importantly do you remember why bolger rejected
> >the idea?
> >
> I don't remember exactly. I seem to recall it might be ok but a boat
> designed for that size would be better.
>
> >I know i could just build a micro or old shoe, but i like
> >screwing around withthings a working with minimal amount of
> >directions....assuming i don't compromise safety or totally screw up
> >why the design originally worked in the first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > snip
> >
> >I like dory and pram hulls.....i've built a michalak boat and they
> >are well done but....for the most part i find them UGLY, but that's
> >me. What is the Japanese Beach Cruiser?
> >
> >
> Japanese Beach Cruiser is in Boats with an Open Mind. Quite pretty,
> it's a pram. Maybe too many chines. I think about 12 feet long, as Imight
> recall. And I think Bolger has some other boats of that sort which
> be worth looking into. Isn't there something called the Supermouse?looking.
> (also a pram). One of the boats at bateau.com is a big pram, and not
> ugly, IMHO. It's not just you, a lot of Michalak boats are funny
>
> > snip
> >