Re: phil bolger and friends
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
above the fenders of the trailer.
shown on the plans is not enough from what I have heard. But I will
certainly ask PCB&F when I talk to them. The fact that they have
pretty much abandened the JC design and continue to upgrade and tweak
the MICRO series I find very interesting.
Chuck Merrell probably has the best JC example, but he said that if
he built another it would have the full length keel like LM
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Unfortunately he never completed the re-design that would have
overcome some of the original weaknesses.
Having all that deckspace, certainly is attractive. Yet being down
inside the boat and having full visibility seems to be the direction
that PCB&F are going in.
Cheers, Nels
> 25'6 x 7'6" is trailerable.Actually the shallow keel is an advantge as it raises the chines up
> though not a small as a LM.
>
> The J.C. flat bottom had advantages
> over the fin keel of L.M. when
> it comes sitting on a trailer.
above the fenders of the trailer.
> They both have similar amountsI believe JC is twice as heavy. The 480 lb of inside steel ballest
> of ballast.
shown on the plans is not enough from what I have heard. But I will
certainly ask PCB&F when I talk to them. The fact that they have
pretty much abandened the JC design and continue to upgrade and tweak
the MICRO series I find very interesting.
Chuck Merrell probably has the best JC example, but he said that if
he built another it would have the full length keel like LM
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Unfortunately he never completed the re-design that would have
overcome some of the original weaknesses.
Having all that deckspace, certainly is attractive. Yet being down
inside the boat and having full visibility seems to be the direction
that PCB&F are going in.
Cheers, Nels
In a message dated 4/1/2004 4:04:36 PM Central Standard Time,
bruce@...writes:
considered LED lights, but decided
it was too expensive. Buying more
battery/PV and using incandescent
lights was cheaper IMO than using LED's
True, LED lights are expensive. They have another advantage besides low amp
draw, however. They can be made totally waterproof as you don't have to
change bulbs. This may not matter to all of you who will only be in fresh water,
but when I became a live aboard on the Roberts Spray 28 I built, and got out
into saltwater I did indeed have problems with corrosion cutting out my nav
lights. I will spend the money on the one I'm building now (Bantam) because nav
lights that don't work are trouble.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
bruce@...writes:
considered LED lights, but decided
it was too expensive. Buying more
battery/PV and using incandescent
lights was cheaper IMO than using LED's
True, LED lights are expensive. They have another advantage besides low amp
draw, however. They can be made totally waterproof as you don't have to
change bulbs. This may not matter to all of you who will only be in fresh water,
but when I became a live aboard on the Roberts Spray 28 I built, and got out
into saltwater I did indeed have problems with corrosion cutting out my nav
lights. I will spend the money on the one I'm building now (Bantam) because nav
lights that don't work are trouble.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Nels
though not a small as a LM.
The J.C. flat bottom had advantages
over the fin keel of L.M. when
it comes sitting on a trailer.
They both have similar amounts
of ballast.
I bet that 25'6" could be
cut down to 24' by giving
J.C. a bow transom without
much affect, if any.
The fact that JC has a top
deck, where you can walk from
stern to bow makes it a lot
bigger boat measured in 'sprawl
space'.
One drawback of a Navigator style
cabin is that the roof of the
cabin doesn't serve double duty
as a deck, nor is there any easy
way to walk between the front to the
aft decks. Plus, the Chinese Gaff
rig has so much running rigging that
the forward deck is effectively unusable.
> Jesse Cooper,25'6 x 7'6" is trailerable.
> gained the big
> advantage of
> trailerability.
though not a small as a LM.
The J.C. flat bottom had advantages
over the fin keel of L.M. when
it comes sitting on a trailer.
They both have similar amounts
of ballast.
I bet that 25'6" could be
cut down to 24' by giving
J.C. a bow transom without
much affect, if any.
The fact that JC has a top
deck, where you can walk from
stern to bow makes it a lot
bigger boat measured in 'sprawl
space'.
One drawback of a Navigator style
cabin is that the roof of the
cabin doesn't serve double duty
as a deck, nor is there any easy
way to walk between the front to the
aft decks. Plus, the Chinese Gaff
rig has so much running rigging that
the forward deck is effectively unusable.
I remember you starting, but forgot exactly when you started. My how
time flies!
time flies!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- Frank San Miguel:
> > Didn't you just start
> > this a few months
> > ago!
>
> [Thanks] No, I started
> in September 2002, and have
> averaged about 10 manhours
> per week, with more than
> 550 hours [and $1500] into
> it so far.
--- Frank San Miguel:
in September 2002, and have
averaged about 10 manhours
per week, with more than
550 hours [and $1500] into
it so far.
> Didn't you just start[Thanks] No, I started
> this a few months
> ago!
in September 2002, and have
averaged about 10 manhours
per week, with more than
550 hours [and $1500] into
it so far.
--- Jason Stancil wrote:
Using a 300watt microwave for five
minutes is negligible. Extended
usage of 100 watt lights, stereo amp,
[or a 12V refrigerator, like with
Champlain] is how to run up the amp
hours!
The WWWeb has a lot of info on this,
mostly aimed at motorhome/RV off-
grid'ers.
My calculation is for Micro Navigator
to charge up all week on my 44 Watts
of photovoltaic panels, and draw down
on Sat. & Sunday. I also will carry
a beefy 12V battery charger as backup.
Twin Trojan T-105 6V batteries hold
a lot more energy [440AH] than one 12V
group 27 battery [105AH].
Champlain as designed, with four 8D
12V batteries, holds 900 AH.
I considered LED lights, but decided
it was too expensive. Buying more
battery/PV and using incandescent
lights was cheaper IMO than using LED's.
> ...no microwaves here (like bruce'sEletrical usage can be calculated.
Using a 300watt microwave for five
minutes is negligible. Extended
usage of 100 watt lights, stereo amp,
[or a 12V refrigerator, like with
Champlain] is how to run up the amp
hours!
The WWWeb has a lot of info on this,
mostly aimed at motorhome/RV off-
grid'ers.
My calculation is for Micro Navigator
to charge up all week on my 44 Watts
of photovoltaic panels, and draw down
on Sat. & Sunday. I also will carry
a beefy 12V battery charger as backup.
Twin Trojan T-105 6V batteries hold
a lot more energy [440AH] than one 12V
group 27 battery [105AH].
Champlain as designed, with four 8D
12V batteries, holds 900 AH.
I considered LED lights, but decided
it was too expensive. Buying more
battery/PV and using incandescent
lights was cheaper IMO than using LED's.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Of course I have considered Jesse Cooper, as well as Seabird updated,
especially when I had planned to live aboard on a more long-term
basis. Then when I realized the capability of the MICRO series, I
down-sized my requirements and gained the big advantage of
trailerability. (The fastest sailboat in the world is one that fits
nicely on a trailer.)
PCB gives a good summary of the weaknesses of JC on page 369 of
BWAOM. He then designed the AS19 and AS29 to overcome these
deficiences. LONG MICRO already had all the AS design features,
except for the double bed. JC might still be a good choice if one was
more or less permanently located in a deep water berth.
Seabird is a beautiful alternative but has several challenges that I
am not that interested in. I like the instant boat building method
rather than stitch and glue. Seabird is quite a bit wider, is not as
beachable and actually does not have as much interior space because
of the double chines. Also I am not sure how stable she would be in a
dry-out situation with that narrow bottom. (Which PCB says makes
her "tiddly at anchor.)
Seabird would be more expensive to build, does not have that nice
yawl rig, does not have near the storage space in the hold - again
because of the multichines and the cooking area taking up most of the
space.
In a LM with pilothouse, I have figured out a way to have room for a
berth that would convert to a double, in the forward section and
quickly flip up to go to the f'ward hatch. And then have a regular
galley with stand-up headroom. One can shower in the forward well and
there is still space for a pump-out head opposite the galley. If you
have ever seen the interior of some of the campervan conversions you
will see that they have several clever solutions.
To me the 20 ft length, sahllow keel, and 6 foot beam is still
convenient ot trail and launch at most ramps. I firmly believe that
the MICRO series gives the best bang for the buck if you are not
turned off by the visual aspects. As somebody once said, few people
understand that the looks they detest are the very features that make
it work so well!
Cheers, Nels
> --- Nels wrote:Hi Bruce and Jason,
> > a LONG MICRO NAVIGATOR
>
> Ever considered a Jessie Cooper?
>
> You could safely upsize the cabin
> windows using Lexan, and have a full
> size mattress for your berth. :)
Of course I have considered Jesse Cooper, as well as Seabird updated,
especially when I had planned to live aboard on a more long-term
basis. Then when I realized the capability of the MICRO series, I
down-sized my requirements and gained the big advantage of
trailerability. (The fastest sailboat in the world is one that fits
nicely on a trailer.)
PCB gives a good summary of the weaknesses of JC on page 369 of
BWAOM. He then designed the AS19 and AS29 to overcome these
deficiences. LONG MICRO already had all the AS design features,
except for the double bed. JC might still be a good choice if one was
more or less permanently located in a deep water berth.
Seabird is a beautiful alternative but has several challenges that I
am not that interested in. I like the instant boat building method
rather than stitch and glue. Seabird is quite a bit wider, is not as
beachable and actually does not have as much interior space because
of the double chines. Also I am not sure how stable she would be in a
dry-out situation with that narrow bottom. (Which PCB says makes
her "tiddly at anchor.)
Seabird would be more expensive to build, does not have that nice
yawl rig, does not have near the storage space in the hold - again
because of the multichines and the cooking area taking up most of the
space.
In a LM with pilothouse, I have figured out a way to have room for a
berth that would convert to a double, in the forward section and
quickly flip up to go to the f'ward hatch. And then have a regular
galley with stand-up headroom. One can shower in the forward well and
there is still space for a pump-out head opposite the galley. If you
have ever seen the interior of some of the campervan conversions you
will see that they have several clever solutions.
To me the 20 ft length, sahllow keel, and 6 foot beam is still
convenient ot trail and launch at most ramps. I firmly believe that
the MICRO series gives the best bang for the buck if you are not
turned off by the visual aspects. As somebody once said, few people
understand that the looks they detest are the very features that make
it work so well!
Cheers, Nels
holy cow. Didn't you just start this a few months ago! What a
beauty. Awesome job!
Frank
beauty. Awesome job!
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- Frank San Miguel wrote:
> > Can you please repost
> > the link?
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/121069753OCENAu
>
> It was interesting to read of SA's comments
> about the need for bottom strength for
> safety in a storm against pounding.
>
> Note that in Micro Navigator, as in other
> designs, [such as Dakota/Wyoming], PB&F
> specify the use of floor beams
> [which double as the faces of the berths].
>
>
> They wrote in MAIB:
> "Incidentally, one side effect of the new cabin
> layout is the further stiffening of the bottom
> fore and aft."
--- Nels wrote:
You could safely upsize the cabin
windows using Lexan, and have a full
size mattress for your berth. :)
> a LONG MICRO NAVIGATOREver considered a Jessie Cooper?
You could safely upsize the cabin
windows using Lexan, and have a full
size mattress for your berth. :)
--- Frank San Miguel wrote:
It was interesting to read of SA's comments
about the need for bottom strength for
safety in a storm against pounding.
Note that in Micro Navigator, as in other
designs, [such as Dakota/Wyoming], PB&F
specify the use of floor beams
[which double as the faces of the berths].
They wrote in MAIB:
"Incidentally, one side effect of the new cabin
layout is the further stiffening of the bottom
fore and aft."
> Can you please reposthttp://community.webshots.com/album/121069753OCENAu
> the link?
It was interesting to read of SA's comments
about the need for bottom strength for
safety in a storm against pounding.
Note that in Micro Navigator, as in other
designs, [such as Dakota/Wyoming], PB&F
specify the use of floor beams
[which double as the faces of the berths].
They wrote in MAIB:
"Incidentally, one side effect of the new cabin
layout is the further stiffening of the bottom
fore and aft."
If i was interested in a bigger trip i should
to adapt the current plans with a navigator house and rig. That's
why she had figured there was'nt much interest.....if people wanted
it the would just do it.
boat.....no microwaves here (like bruce's boat....nice touch). She
said the alternator was pretty wimpy on the honda but it is the
smallest outboard they know of with an alternator and could fully
charge the batteries with a couple hours of motorsailing. The
electrical system is intended to power LED navigation lights and not
much more. My dad ran 2 cheap and small 5 yr old 12 volts with a 5
amp solar panel on his stonehorse. One battery was reserved to start
the yanmar and the other was for system electronics.......even if
you didn't start the engine for weeks on end and ran your
nav./anchor lights from dusk till dawn that one panel running all
day would keep the lights running all night and battery was almost
always @ 12.5 volts by nightfall. However if you played the radio
all day, you could'nt make it through the night.....but that was
with incadesent bulbs, i'm willing to bet for ever hour you burned
the old style lights you can burn LED for 4 hrs.
said my current plans are dated. Maybe she just wanted me to buy
some more stuff? :)
space of a 30 footer for sure, is that still mico cruising?.....Nels
what do you think of the seabird with the pilot house....it's got to
be a little less kerphlumping than any micro could ever be.
Jason
> > consider a LM navigator and said the conversion would be easyfax
> enough
> > to do and they could do the drawings but no one had asked.
>
> I, made that very enquiry last October and have the hand written
> response from Phil telling me they were too busy to consider a LMmay
> Navigator as well as a plywood Colonel Hasler plan. It seems they
> be caught up a bit and might reconsider it?Not sure about their workload but she said it would be easy enough
to adapt the current plans with a navigator house and rig. That's
why she had figured there was'nt much interest.....if people wanted
it the would just do it.
> I am very skeptical that the alternator on the 5 hp Honda and asolar
> panel, will keep two 6 volt batteries charged - if they are thegolf
> cart batteries which I believe they recommend. However that systemLED
> would keep going for quite awhile with the small loads imposed by
> lighting. A good quality 110 battery charger would also be needed,The point was to keep the electrical system simple, like the
> for when one was in port.
boat.....no microwaves here (like bruce's boat....nice touch). She
said the alternator was pretty wimpy on the honda but it is the
smallest outboard they know of with an alternator and could fully
charge the batteries with a couple hours of motorsailing. The
electrical system is intended to power LED navigation lights and not
much more. My dad ran 2 cheap and small 5 yr old 12 volts with a 5
amp solar panel on his stonehorse. One battery was reserved to start
the yanmar and the other was for system electronics.......even if
you didn't start the engine for weeks on end and ran your
nav./anchor lights from dusk till dawn that one panel running all
day would keep the lights running all night and battery was almost
always @ 12.5 volts by nightfall. However if you played the radio
all day, you could'nt make it through the night.....but that was
with incadesent bulbs, i'm willing to bet for ever hour you burned
the old style lights you can burn LED for 4 hrs.
>pleased
> Are there any other upgrades to the MICRO and LM plans that were
> mentioned? Did you happen to mention the changes as recommended by
> Peter Lenihan and get their observations? I know Phil is very
> with LESTAT which he confirmed again to me in his fax.She did'nt say what the upgrades were and i did'nt ask, she just
said my current plans are dated. Maybe she just wanted me to buy
some more stuff? :)
> A fully upgraded version of a LONG MICRO NAVIGATOR might be a1/4
> worthwhile article for MAIB magazine. Maybe including a non
> kerphlumping rounded bow. (Is that the correct German term?)
>
> It would need a whole new name. Any suggestions? Anyone else
> interested? With a Yamaha T9.9 it would be a fully capable
> motorsailer of some merit I would suggest and probably at about
> the price and complexity of any other design.Not that i need a boat that big but it would be a sweet one, the
space of a 30 footer for sure, is that still mico cruising?.....Nels
what do you think of the seabird with the pilot house....it's got to
be a little less kerphlumping than any micro could ever be.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
She said what limits the micro the
response from Phil telling me they were too busy to consider a LM
Navigator as well as a plywood Colonel Hasler plan. It seems they may
be caught up a bit and might reconsider it?
I am very skeptical that the alternator on the 5 hp Honda and a solar
panel, will keep two 6 volt batteries charged - if they are the golf
cart batteries which I believe they recommend. However that system
would keep going for quite awhile with the small loads imposed by LED
lighting. A good quality 110 battery charger would also be needed,
for when one was in port.
Are there any other upgrades to the MICRO and LM plans that were
mentioned? Did you happen to mention the changes as recommended by
Peter Lenihan and get their observations? I know Phil is very pleased
with LESTAT which he confirmed again to me in his fax.
A fully upgraded version of a LONG MICRO NAVIGATOR might be a
worthwhile article for MAIB magazine. Maybe including a non
kerphlumping rounded bow. (Is that the correct German term?)
It would need a whole new name. Any suggestions? Anyone else
interested? With a Yamaha T9.9 it would be a fully capable
motorsailer of some merit I would suggest and probably at about 1/4
the price and complexity of any other design.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
She said what limits the micro the
> most for larger crossings is the hull speed is so low you exposeenough
> yourself more. If i was interested in a bigger trip i should
> consider a LM navigator and said the conversion would be easy
> to do and they could do the drawings but no one had asked.I, made that very enquiry last October and have the hand written fax
response from Phil telling me they were too busy to consider a LM
Navigator as well as a plywood Colonel Hasler plan. It seems they may
be caught up a bit and might reconsider it?
I am very skeptical that the alternator on the 5 hp Honda and a solar
panel, will keep two 6 volt batteries charged - if they are the golf
cart batteries which I believe they recommend. However that system
would keep going for quite awhile with the small loads imposed by LED
lighting. A good quality 110 battery charger would also be needed,
for when one was in port.
Are there any other upgrades to the MICRO and LM plans that were
mentioned? Did you happen to mention the changes as recommended by
Peter Lenihan and get their observations? I know Phil is very pleased
with LESTAT which he confirmed again to me in his fax.
A fully upgraded version of a LONG MICRO NAVIGATOR might be a
worthwhile article for MAIB magazine. Maybe including a non
kerphlumping rounded bow. (Is that the correct German term?)
It would need a whole new name. Any suggestions? Anyone else
interested? With a Yamaha T9.9 it would be a fully capable
motorsailer of some merit I would suggest and probably at about 1/4
the price and complexity of any other design.
Cheers, Nels
Thanks for the great info Jason.
Bruce - I can't find the link to your Micro pictures anywhere, though
I know I've seen them before. Can you please repost the link?
Thanks,
Frank San Miguel
Landenberg, PA
- current project, nesting mice (http://www.fsanmiguel.com/boat/mice/)
- Eagerly waiting to hear from Suzanne and Phil about their
participation in a Gloucester messabout this year. Obviously it won't
be the weekend of the Kingston messabout...
- AS-29 still for sale or trade, though planning to fix the chine logs
this spring and get her on the water...
Bruce - I can't find the link to your Micro pictures anywhere, though
I know I've seen them before. Can you please repost the link?
Thanks,
Frank San Miguel
Landenberg, PA
- current project, nesting mice (http://www.fsanmiguel.com/boat/mice/)
- Eagerly waiting to hear from Suzanne and Phil about their
participation in a Gloucester messabout this year. Obviously it won't
be the weekend of the Kingston messabout...
- AS-29 still for sale or trade, though planning to fix the chine logs
this spring and get her on the water...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...> wrote:
> That about sums it up. Bruce? If you live in CA I think she
> specifically mentioned your boat as being the first navigator
> relatively true to plans almost completed that they know of. She
> said she liked the way it looked but never did like it on paper.
> Jason Stancil
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
basically here is what i know.
The navigator conversion was designed for a fellow that wanted to
singlehandedly circimnavigate the australian continent, not the
earth....this is where the lecture begain. She carried on about
legal issues designing a boat and made sure i wasn't up to anything
too stupid.......very libertarian of her. She said it is a great
boat for shorter jaunts......specifically nova scoia and the
caribean, but not the atlantic. She said what limits the micro the
most for larger crossings is the hull speed is so low you expose
yourself more. If i was interested in a bigger trip i should
consider a LM navigator and said the conversion would be easy enough
to do and they could do the drawings but no one had asked. She said
the key to safely cruising in a micro navigator is to rig it to spec
so you don't have to leave the safety of the pilot house, slow it
down(i'm guessing this means so it does'nt surf down wind in
following seas, as in dragging warps or a drouge not sure though i
just let her keep talking), the bottom needs to be SOLID and heavily
fastened to counter the pounding, have all the proper floatation
installed per plans and keep the hatches sealed, have a good
outboard and navigation equipment and lights. Specifically she
recommended a 5hp honda 4 stroke which has a small alternator, a
small solar panel on the cabin roof and LED navigation and interior
lighting powered by 2 6 volt batteries.
That about sums it up. Bruce? If you live in CA I think she
specifically mentioned your boat as being the first navigator
relatively true to plans almost completed that they know of. She
said she liked the way it looked but never did like it on paper.
Jason Stancil
> --- smithriverranger wrote:First off let me say i had a hard time translating her accent but
> > [SA gave] a stern lecture on what
> > [Micro] is and is not capable of...
>
> Please tell us in detail what she said,
> I am very curious.
basically here is what i know.
The navigator conversion was designed for a fellow that wanted to
singlehandedly circimnavigate the australian continent, not the
earth....this is where the lecture begain. She carried on about
legal issues designing a boat and made sure i wasn't up to anything
too stupid.......very libertarian of her. She said it is a great
boat for shorter jaunts......specifically nova scoia and the
caribean, but not the atlantic. She said what limits the micro the
most for larger crossings is the hull speed is so low you expose
yourself more. If i was interested in a bigger trip i should
consider a LM navigator and said the conversion would be easy enough
to do and they could do the drawings but no one had asked. She said
the key to safely cruising in a micro navigator is to rig it to spec
so you don't have to leave the safety of the pilot house, slow it
down(i'm guessing this means so it does'nt surf down wind in
following seas, as in dragging warps or a drouge not sure though i
just let her keep talking), the bottom needs to be SOLID and heavily
fastened to counter the pounding, have all the proper floatation
installed per plans and keep the hatches sealed, have a good
outboard and navigation equipment and lights. Specifically she
recommended a 5hp honda 4 stroke which has a small alternator, a
small solar panel on the cabin roof and LED navigation and interior
lighting powered by 2 6 volt batteries.
That about sums it up. Bruce? If you live in CA I think she
specifically mentioned your boat as being the first navigator
relatively true to plans almost completed that they know of. She
said she liked the way it looked but never did like it on paper.
Jason Stancil
--- smithriverranger wrote:
I am very curious.
> [SA gave] a stern lecture on whatPlease tell us in detail what she said,
> [Micro] is and is not capable of...
I am very curious.
I must agree, Susanne seems very nice and very knowlegeable and enthusiastic about the Phil Bolger & Friends designs. I've spoken several times with her and Phil by phone about a custom design("Silver Blaze"- a torpedo-stern inboard speedboat) they are currently doing for me.Phil's fairly straight to the point, but its hard to stop talking to Susanne she seems to be very knowledgeable about nearly anything mechanical and nautical and has a good sense of humour!(Who says Germans have no sense of humour!!??)
Hugo Tyson, in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia on a wet, windy and quite cool day!
smithriverranger <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
I just got off the phone with suzanne from PCB&Friends. WOW! So nice
and so chatty. She responded to my fax in about a half an hour for a
request of the navigator sheet. She flammed CSD and expressed there
would soon be another lawsuit. BUY YOUR PLANS FROM THE DESIGNER!
Don't make the mistake i did and get them off the internet. Suzanne
also told me that they periodically upgrade the micro plans as
improvements come to light, so you may as well get the most current
edition. She advised me on batteries, rigging, solar panels,
outboards and a stern lecture on what this boat is and is not
capable of......lets just say she has more faith in the boat than i
do!
Jason Stancil
PS. After seeing pictures of bruce's fantastic navigator
today......i'm going to build an official navigator with a few bruce
like additions. However, i doubt mine will look nearly as nice as
bruce's
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smithriverranger <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
I just got off the phone with suzanne from PCB&Friends. WOW! So nice
and so chatty. She responded to my fax in about a half an hour for a
request of the navigator sheet. She flammed CSD and expressed there
would soon be another lawsuit. BUY YOUR PLANS FROM THE DESIGNER!
Don't make the mistake i did and get them off the internet. Suzanne
also told me that they periodically upgrade the micro plans as
improvements come to light, so you may as well get the most current
edition. She advised me on batteries, rigging, solar panels,
outboards and a stern lecture on what this boat is and is not
capable of......lets just say she has more faith in the boat than i
do!
Jason Stancil
PS. After seeing pictures of bruce's fantastic navigator
today......i'm going to build an official navigator with a few bruce
like additions. However, i doubt mine will look nearly as nice as
bruce's
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I just got off the phone with suzanne from PCB&Friends. WOW! So nice
and so chatty. She responded to my fax in about a half an hour for a
request of the navigator sheet. She flammed CSD and expressed there
would soon be another lawsuit. BUY YOUR PLANS FROM THE DESIGNER!
Don't make the mistake i did and get them off the internet. Suzanne
also told me that they periodically upgrade the micro plans as
improvements come to light, so you may as well get the most current
edition. She advised me on batteries, rigging, solar panels,
outboards and a stern lecture on what this boat is and is not
capable of......lets just say she has more faith in the boat than i
do!
Jason Stancil
PS. After seeing pictures of bruce's fantastic navigator
today......i'm going to build an official navigator with a few bruce
like additions. However, i doubt mine will look nearly as nice as
bruce's
and so chatty. She responded to my fax in about a half an hour for a
request of the navigator sheet. She flammed CSD and expressed there
would soon be another lawsuit. BUY YOUR PLANS FROM THE DESIGNER!
Don't make the mistake i did and get them off the internet. Suzanne
also told me that they periodically upgrade the micro plans as
improvements come to light, so you may as well get the most current
edition. She advised me on batteries, rigging, solar panels,
outboards and a stern lecture on what this boat is and is not
capable of......lets just say she has more faith in the boat than i
do!
Jason Stancil
PS. After seeing pictures of bruce's fantastic navigator
today......i'm going to build an official navigator with a few bruce
like additions. However, i doubt mine will look nearly as nice as
bruce's