Re: 3/8 " micro navigator....

24 hours in a deay,
24 beers in a case,
coincidence?

I don't think so!

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> Peter and my fellow Bolgeradoes,
>
> I have at last finished my researches into the 'beer' that Hector
uses for
> boatbuilding and other purposes. The following shocking facts are
not
> embroidered or exaggerated in any way (in fact I doubt I could
even if I
> wanted to; in the words of the great American sociologist Dave
Barry: "I am
> not making this up".) These quotes are drawn directly from the
website of
> Unibroue:
>
> "In November 1992 Maudite (the damned one), was the first strong
beer to be
> distributed in Quebec grocery stores." [ed: This curious choice
of name
> becomes clearer when the essentially nautical origins of the name
are
> revealed: "Maudite has a typically Quebecois name that is
reminiscent of the
> legend of the Chasse-Galerie (the legend of the Flying Canoe).
Legend has it
> that a group of lumberjacks struck a deal with the devil to fly
home in
> their canoes, guided by Satan himself, to make it home in time for
> Christmas." Canoes and drinking...... and I repeat, I am NOT
making this
> up!]
>
> "It contains 8 % alcohol and is also the first beer brewed in
America that
> improves with age." [ed: This could be one of those rare moments
where age
> has its privileges; does this brew indeed taste better to old
geezers than
> it would to younger types?]
>
> "Maudite is a mahogany-colored, rich-tasting premium beer that has
a
> distinctive, complex taste." [ed: Leaving aside the "distinctive,
complex
> taste" (which could simply mean it tastes bad), we note the further
> inducement for boating types to partake because it resembles a
popular and
> decorative wood species ("mahogany-colored"). Aged in the wood,
or simply
> mixed with wood stain? The 8% alcohol content may furnish a clue.]
>
> "Shelf life: 5 years or more" [ed: It is not immediately clear
whether
> this means shelf life while bottled, or after pouring..... Seems
to take a
> while to set up properly if so.]
>
> Researches into the substance colloquially known as 'poutine'
continue, but
> progress has been hampered by a lack of volunteer test subjects...
>
> David Romasco, on (or in) the case.....
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:peterlenihan@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:13 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: 3/8 " micro navigator....
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> wrote:
> > Another reason to make a bullet proof bottom and deck became
> > apparent when I had to moor to an old ferry dock near Oka,
Quebec.
> > To get on shore I had to stand on the roof of Adagio and
stretch,
> > hump, scramble up on the rough concrete still 4 feet above me.
> >
> > Returning involved a jump down. I'm glad my houseboat had 1 inch
> ply
> > decks on steel beams, or I'd been swimming.
>
> Very good point there Bruce,especially for pirates on cheese
raiding
> missions up to the monestary in Oka to accompany a nice Port.Next
> time you go, give me a call and I can bring you and Adagio into a
> nice sandy beach just bellow the monestary.There is a "secret"
> channel that leads right up to the shore that even the Canadian
> Hydrographic folks know nothing about :-) My fee for this piloting
> service is most reasonable and easily measured in mls or litres.
> Your apparent lack of success with the Fatkins diet reminds me of
the
> joke about the chap who downs 22 beers and follows this with a
large
> poutine.Minutes latter,he's chucking up cookies all over the place
> and blaming it on bad poutine :-)
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,un-official Lac des Deux Montagne Pirate Pilot and
> guzzler of beers various.............
>
>
>
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Peter and my fellow Bolgeradoes,

I have at last finished my researches into the 'beer' that Hector uses for
boatbuilding and other purposes. The following shocking facts are not
embroidered or exaggerated in any way (in fact I doubt I could even if I
wanted to; in the words of the great American sociologist Dave Barry: "I am
not making this up".) These quotes are drawn directly from the website of
Unibroue:

"In November 1992 Maudite (the damned one), was the first strong beer to be
distributed in Quebec grocery stores." [ed: This curious choice of name
becomes clearer when the essentially nautical origins of the name are
revealed: "Maudite has a typically Quebecois name that is reminiscent of the
legend of the Chasse-Galerie (the legend of the Flying Canoe). Legend has it
that a group of lumberjacks struck a deal with the devil to fly home in
their canoes, guided by Satan himself, to make it home in time for
Christmas." Canoes and drinking...... and I repeat, I am NOT making this
up!]

"It contains 8 % alcohol and is also the first beer brewed in America that
improves with age." [ed: This could be one of those rare moments where age
has its privileges; does this brew indeed taste better to old geezers than
it would to younger types?]

"Maudite is a mahogany-colored, rich-tasting premium beer that has a
distinctive, complex taste." [ed: Leaving aside the "distinctive, complex
taste" (which could simply mean it tastes bad), we note the further
inducement for boating types to partake because it resembles a popular and
decorative wood species ("mahogany-colored"). Aged in the wood, or simply
mixed with wood stain? The 8% alcohol content may furnish a clue.]

"Shelf life: 5 years or more" [ed: It is not immediately clear whether
this means shelf life while bottled, or after pouring..... Seems to take a
while to set up properly if so.]

Researches into the substance colloquially known as 'poutine' continue, but
progress has been hampered by a lack of volunteer test subjects...

David Romasco, on (or in) the case.....

_____

From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:peterlenihan@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:13 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: 3/8 " micro navigator....

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

> Another reason to make a bullet proof bottom and deck became
> apparent when I had to moor to an old ferry dock near Oka, Quebec.
> To get on shore I had to stand on the roof of Adagio and stretch,
> hump, scramble up on the rough concrete still 4 feet above me.
>
> Returning involved a jump down. I'm glad my houseboat had 1 inch

ply

> decks on steel beams, or I'd been swimming.

Very good point there Bruce,especially for pirates on cheese raiding
missions up to the monestary in Oka to accompany a nice Port.Next
time you go, give me a call and I can bring you and Adagio into a
nice sandy beach just bellow the monestary.There is a "secret"
channel that leads right up to the shore that even the Canadian
Hydrographic folks know nothing about :-) My fee for this piloting
service is most reasonable and easily measured in mls or litres.
Your apparent lack of success with the Fatkins diet reminds me of the
joke about the chap who downs 22 beers and follows this with a large
poutine.Minutes latter,he's chucking up cookies all over the place
and blaming it on bad poutine :-)

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan,un-official Lac des Deux Montagne Pirate Pilot and
guzzler of beers various.............

Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

> Another reason to make a bullet proof bottom and deck became
> apparent when I had to moor to an old ferry dock near Oka, Quebec.
> To get on shore I had to stand on the roof of Adagio and stretch,
> hump, scramble up on the rough concrete still 4 feet above me.
>
> Returning involved a jump down. I'm glad my houseboat had 1 inch

ply

> decks on steel beams, or I'd been swimming.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

> Returning involved a jump down. I'm glad my houseboat had 1 inch

ply

> decks on steel beams, or I'd been swimming.
>

Perhaps a sturdy Bos'un chair and a remote controled loading crane
would be a useful addition?

Cheers, Nels

Another reason to make a bullet proof bottom and deck became
apparent when I had to moor to an old ferry dock near Oka, Quebec.
To get on shore I had to stand on the roof of Adagio and stretch,
hump, scramble up on the rough concrete still 4 feet above me.

Returning involved a jump down. I'm glad my houseboat had 1 inch ply
decks on steel beams, or I'd been swimming.

Now, I'm a "few" pounds more (Peter, stop snickering!) than I was as
a lean mean infantryman in my 20s. Also envision overweight and
somewhat "thick" marina staff leaping down onto your 1/4" deck and
going right through, down into the cabin, and right through the
bottom. Sure damage control might be effective while he's still
stuck there, Just pack towels, pillows, lifejackets around him to
stop the flow.

But this might prove impossible once the para-medics arrive and pull
the plug out.

So my bottom is 3/4, my cockpit sole and seats are 1/2 and so will
the cabin top be. Both have numerous beams on about a 12 inch centre.

Despite my weeks on the "Fatkins" diet I'm not any skinnier, so I'm
building the boat to take whatever abuse my falling, slipping, out-
of-control mass can concievably give it,

Bruce Hector
Who may be out-of-control this afternoon as we go to Johnson City
for some longnecks and a serving of "the World's Best Chicken Fried
Steak".

--- Nels wrote:

> My opinion is that 3/8 is plenty thick enough,

The plans call for 1/4" which is also thick
enough per Phil Bolger, and he is qualified
to have an opinion. <grin>

1/4" plywood bent on an 'arch',
protected by a fin keel, and reinforced by
interior stringers every foot or two is
a very strong structure.

At no point on my 1/4" bottom can I get
the plywood to 'flex' or 'pant' using
the force of my hands or feet.

Due to an error in my shop while
flipping my hull, I dropped the
thing about 3 feet in distance.

It made a loud noise, and bounced,
but showed no harm. [It crushed
a favorite tool box though.] :)

Don't forget, this is a small boat,
1000 lbs or so...bigger/thicker is not
always better, and does not always
add value. Though it always adds
cost and time.

Use 3/8" and get a bilge pump and a patching kit. Epoxy sets underwater.

When holed between wind and water, use a shot-plug.

Roger (reading the Audrey/Maturin series for the third time to my wife's
horror)
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@...>

> > My opinion is that 3/8 is plenty thick enough, especially with
> > the added fiberglass and biaxial tape. Don't forget you have
> > the keel protection as well, so what do you plan to hit that
> > you need a 3/4" bottom with added glass protection?
>
> The keel is the only reason I haven't commited to the 3/4" bottom
> I'd have to really blow it to hit anything other than the chine.
> I have to admit i've hit a few oyster beds in my time and 1/4" deep
> gashes happen. that's only an 1/8" margin of safety if i do the
> 3/8". Maybe i'll do 3/8" with the 6oz dynel and if i feel the need i
> can add another layer of dynel before rolling the hull. That dynel
> is tough stuff i've used it for years on whitewater kayak paddles
> and never been able to dig deep into that stuff......i hit lots of
> rocks on the river.

> My opinion is that 3/8 is plenty thick enough, especially with the
> added fiberglass and biaxial tape. Don't forget you have the keel
> protection as well, so what do you plan to hit that you need a

3/4"

> bottom with added glass protection?
>
> If still in doubt, give the Boss a call and get her opinion. And
> while you're at it tell her we want an LM MOTORSAILER - Chinese

lug

> rig, double bunk, head, inside steering station and non

kerphlumping

> bow mod:-)

The keel is the only reason I have'nt commited to the 3/4" bottom
I'd have to really blow it to hit anything other than the chine.
I have to admit i've hit a few oyster beds in my time and 1/4" deep
gashes happen. that's only an 1/8" margin of safety if i do the
3/8". Maybe i'll do 3/8" with the 6oz dynel and if i feel the need i
can add another layer of dynel before rolling the hull. That dynel
is tough stuff i've used it for years on whitewater kayak paddles
and never been able to dig deep into that stuff......i hit lots of
rocks on the river.

Nels you are worse than me.......build that junk rigged LM navigator
anti kerphulper and we can go to cuba ;)

Jason

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:

> So i decided to build my mico navigator out of 3/8" two sided

signal

> MDO. A bit beefy but i tend to run into things. :) I was re-reading
> bolger's article on the navigator conversion and he wrote, "one

side

> effect of the new cabin layout is further stiffening of her bottom
> fore and aft". That said i wonder if one layer of 3/8" will do the
> trick or if i should slap another layer on there?

My opinion is that 3/8 is plenty thick enough, especially with the
added fiberglass and biaxial tape. Don't forget you have the keel
protection as well, so what do you plan to hit that you need a 3/4"
bottom with added glass protection?

If still in doubt, give the Boss a call and get her opinion. And
while you're at it tell her we want an LM MOTORSAILER - Chinese lug
rig, double bunk, head, inside steering station and non kerphlumping
bow mod:-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote: i wonder if one layer of 3/8" will do the trick or if i
should slap another layer on there?"

My darling Micro "Riff Raff" has a doubled 3/8 bottom that of course
finished at 3/4 inch.

Construction was easy, the sheets took the bend well, and it all
seems satisfactorily solid.

One caveat, do NOT kneel on the bottom driving screws in to laminate
on the second layer. I did and ended up with a visibly concave
bottom. If building upside down, a few temporary braces wedges from
inside should prevent it.

Should give more "bite" when heeled, what?

I'll let you know if I ever finish her.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com

So i decided to build my mico navigator out of 3/8" two sided signal
MDO. A bit beefy but i tend to run into things. :) I was re-reading
bolger's article on the navigator conversion and he wrote, "one side
effect of the new cabin layout is further stiffening of her bottom
fore and aft". That said i wonder if one layer of 3/8" will do the
trick or if i should slap another layer on there? The plans call for
1/4" but it seems everyone seems to build it up to
1/2".......essentially 3/8s is 1/8 more than specified and 1/8" less
than the "NORM?". I plan on 4 oz biaxel tape on the chines and keel
then covering up to the waterline with 6oz. dynel. Would a 6/8 inch
bottom just be severe overkill? Not worried about the labor involved
and the add ballast would be nice but another layer will cost me
$100.....longitivity is my goal, however i plan on doing some
extensive trips in this thing so i don't want to waste all
my "capacity" on beefing up the hull.
thoughts anyone?
Thanks
Jason

PS don't worry when i start building this thing i'll quit asking all
these questions

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