[bolger] Re: Steve - water ballast (trailering weights)
Steve:
As to trailering (and I've done lots more than I'd like), I used to tow a
3000lb runabout 25 miles each way to Lake Norman (NC) with (sharp intake of
breath here) a Ford Taurus. Got me up a LONG STEEP RAMP just fine. With
the tides (minimal) we have in FL you'll rarely have a problem with a wet
ramp. The Windstar (being an overgrown Taurus should do OK, unless I'm
missing guess at MJ's weight (around 2000lbs?).
Lacking practical experience with Lugs and mizzens, I've stayed quiet, but
interested. I've had one experience with popped sail slides that was scary
though on my O'Day 222-I didn't get the luff on the main up tight, was hit
by a gust and 4 slides popped at the same instance-the additional belly this
put in the sail made the handling completely different-more weather helm,
more heeling and a feeling of less control.
If the double reefed lug main wasn't tight, and the ties popped on the
mizzen, you may had had a double whammy of "belly" in the sails.
Good luck!
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
As to trailering (and I've done lots more than I'd like), I used to tow a
3000lb runabout 25 miles each way to Lake Norman (NC) with (sharp intake of
breath here) a Ford Taurus. Got me up a LONG STEEP RAMP just fine. With
the tides (minimal) we have in FL you'll rarely have a problem with a wet
ramp. The Windstar (being an overgrown Taurus should do OK, unless I'm
missing guess at MJ's weight (around 2000lbs?).
Lacking practical experience with Lugs and mizzens, I've stayed quiet, but
interested. I've had one experience with popped sail slides that was scary
though on my O'Day 222-I didn't get the luff on the main up tight, was hit
by a gust and 4 slides popped at the same instance-the additional belly this
put in the sail made the handling completely different-more weather helm,
more heeling and a feeling of less control.
If the double reefed lug main wasn't tight, and the ties popped on the
mizzen, you may had had a double whammy of "belly" in the sails.
Good luck!
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: Steve - water ballast
>
>
> Hi Don - interesting. One of the reasons I picked mj was because
> of the water
> ballast - but as building moved along I changed my mind about it. Bob
> Archibald bought marc lindgrens old mj - and one of the things he's
> discovered is delamination in the tanks. I had hoped to keep this
> boat a long
> long time - so I wanted to prevent that - especially here in Florida.
>
> I'm still thinking about contacting bolger. Haven't decided yet.
> I mean what
> could he say? Add more ballast? I did add 100 lbs more yesterday
> as I closed
> the tanks up again - so I'm up to 600 lbs. I like the lead shoe
> keel idea. I
> don't imagine that to be an easy thing to do tho'.
>
> Apparantly bolger told ed haile to put 450 more pounds of ballast
> in his boat
> - in the form of a sheet of lead running down the center of the
> cabin sole.
> I could add 450 lbs. that way and convert the tanks to water and still
> trailer just fine - but I suspect I would never get the boat up
> the ramp with
> my front wheel drive windstar.
>
> Someone else had the idea of foam on the outside of the boat -
> above or below
> the leeboard guards. Not a bad idea.
>
> I guess what bothers me most is knowing - as I now do - that 6
> out of the 7
> boats I know have been knocked down. And I wrote to the seveth
> last nite to
> ask him if he was ever knocked down. I wonder if bolger goofed.
>
> I don't know if you remember a post saying that he's coming out with an
> update to the plans - which includes a "house" - I don't know that more
> windage is a good idea! Steve
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Hi Don - interesting. One of the reasons I picked mj was because of the water
ballast - but as building moved along I changed my mind about it. Bob
Archibald bought marc lindgrens old mj - and one of the things he's
discovered is delamination in the tanks. I had hoped to keep this boat a long
long time - so I wanted to prevent that - especially here in Florida.
I'm still thinking about contacting bolger. Haven't decided yet. I mean what
could he say? Add more ballast? I did add 100 lbs more yesterday as I closed
the tanks up again - so I'm up to 600 lbs. I like the lead shoe keel idea. I
don't imagine that to be an easy thing to do tho'.
Apparantly bolger told ed haile to put 450 more pounds of ballast in his boat
- in the form of a sheet of lead running down the center of the cabin sole.
I could add 450 lbs. that way and convert the tanks to water and still
trailer just fine - but I suspect I would never get the boat up the ramp with
my front wheel drive windstar.
Someone else had the idea of foam on the outside of the boat - above or below
the leeboard guards. Not a bad idea.
I guess what bothers me most is knowing - as I now do - that 6 out of the 7
boats I know have been knocked down. And I wrote to the seveth last nite to
ask him if he was ever knocked down. I wonder if bolger goofed.
I don't know if you remember a post saying that he's coming out with an
update to the plans - which includes a "house" - I don't know that more
windage is a good idea! Steve
ballast - but as building moved along I changed my mind about it. Bob
Archibald bought marc lindgrens old mj - and one of the things he's
discovered is delamination in the tanks. I had hoped to keep this boat a long
long time - so I wanted to prevent that - especially here in Florida.
I'm still thinking about contacting bolger. Haven't decided yet. I mean what
could he say? Add more ballast? I did add 100 lbs more yesterday as I closed
the tanks up again - so I'm up to 600 lbs. I like the lead shoe keel idea. I
don't imagine that to be an easy thing to do tho'.
Apparantly bolger told ed haile to put 450 more pounds of ballast in his boat
- in the form of a sheet of lead running down the center of the cabin sole.
I could add 450 lbs. that way and convert the tanks to water and still
trailer just fine - but I suspect I would never get the boat up the ramp with
my front wheel drive windstar.
Someone else had the idea of foam on the outside of the boat - above or below
the leeboard guards. Not a bad idea.
I guess what bothers me most is knowing - as I now do - that 6 out of the 7
boats I know have been knocked down. And I wrote to the seveth last nite to
ask him if he was ever knocked down. I wonder if bolger goofed.
I don't know if you remember a post saying that he's coming out with an
update to the plans - which includes a "house" - I don't know that more
windage is a good idea! Steve
Hi Steve. This is not specific to your recent posts re MJ.
I built a water-ballasted 6metre....I guess you would call it a
fast/racing trailer-sailer by a well known NZ designer about 1979.
The hull was modern with a tall racing rig, and I have to say I was
never entirely comfortable about the water ballast. Never
completely sure that the tanks were totally full. I felt the only way
to go was to have positive valves for holding the water in, in case of
knock-down. Even then, I epoxied 2 heavy lead ingots to the keel
before I fitted the tank top.
Incidentally, there were errors in the plan. The tanks were in
compartmented though connected along their length, I imagine to
stop surging if they were not completely full, but he had not shown
vents at high level between compartments, so the tanks would
never completely fill. He was known as a short tempered fellow,
and when I politely rang him and pointed out the ommissions, he
went into a tirade and all but tore my head off! I hope he made the
changes, because quite a few boats were later built.
Don
I built a water-ballasted 6metre....I guess you would call it a
fast/racing trailer-sailer by a well known NZ designer about 1979.
The hull was modern with a tall racing rig, and I have to say I was
never entirely comfortable about the water ballast. Never
completely sure that the tanks were totally full. I felt the only way
to go was to have positive valves for holding the water in, in case of
knock-down. Even then, I epoxied 2 heavy lead ingots to the keel
before I fitted the tank top.
Incidentally, there were errors in the plan. The tanks were in
compartmented though connected along their length, I imagine to
stop surging if they were not completely full, but he had not shown
vents at high level between compartments, so the tanks would
never completely fill. He was known as a short tempered fellow,
and when I politely rang him and pointed out the ommissions, he
went into a tirade and all but tore my head off! I hope he made the
changes, because quite a few boats were later built.
Don