Re: attractive rowboat
I think Garden might have had easy handling of the boat when out of the
water in mind. My mother has a fiberglass Whitehall that slips through
the water very easily, but it weighs something like 150 lbs or more and
is a big pain out of the water. Plus they didn't get the seats in quite
the right place.... I suppose if we used a trailer all the time it
wouldn't be too bad. She likes the boat very much. I guess because of
the complicated but smooth shape and a long waterline it seems faster
than other rowboats I've tried.
Lincoln Ross
trying to avoid the last throes of a certain national bookeeping obligation
water in mind. My mother has a fiberglass Whitehall that slips through
the water very easily, but it weighs something like 150 lbs or more and
is a big pain out of the water. Plus they didn't get the seats in quite
the right place.... I suppose if we used a trailer all the time it
wouldn't be too bad. She likes the boat very much. I guess because of
the complicated but smooth shape and a long waterline it seems faster
than other rowboats I've tried.
Lincoln Ross
trying to avoid the last throes of a certain national bookeeping obligation
>someone wrote:
>
>
>>> William
>>> Garden said in one of his books that for pleasure rowing, a boat
>>> should be 100 lbs or less.
>>
>>
>
>
>
--- jmeddock@n... wrote:
powered boats? Dozens of them, if
not a dozen dozens. So, it is hard to
sweep them all into a generalization.
Rather, he tries to suit the design
of the boat to the intended use(s). One
of my favorites is Naval Jelly, a very
fast cheap row boat, intended to win
a very specific race.
Thomastown Galley, a row/sail/outboard
motor boat, PCB's describes as one of his
favorites, [which he likes so much that
he owns and uses one]. In his critical
opinion, that is a rare boat that rows,
sails, *and* motors well.
> Bolger usually stresses utility/Bolger has designed how many oar
> convenience of not having a motor.
powered boats? Dozens of them, if
not a dozen dozens. So, it is hard to
sweep them all into a generalization.
Rather, he tries to suit the design
of the boat to the intended use(s). One
of my favorites is Naval Jelly, a very
fast cheap row boat, intended to win
a very specific race.
Thomastown Galley, a row/sail/outboard
motor boat, PCB's describes as one of his
favorites, [which he likes so much that
he owns and uses one]. In his critical
opinion, that is a rare boat that rows,
sails, *and* motors well.
IIRC, Garden places greater emphasis on performance/speed in
rowing/pulling boats, often mentions recreational racing
or comparing time over fixed distance between boats.
Bolger usually stresses utility/convenience of not having a
motor. I guess they are both right. Now I have to re-read my Garden...
Justin
rowing/pulling boats, often mentions recreational racing
or comparing time over fixed distance between boats.
Bolger usually stresses utility/convenience of not having a
motor. I guess they are both right. Now I have to re-read my Garden...
Justin
----- Original Message -----
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:11 pm
Subject: [bolger] Re: attractive rowboat
> I think Garden might have had easy handling of the boat when out
> of the
> water in mind. My mother has a fiberglass Whitehall that slips
> through
> the water very easily, but it weighs something like 150 lbs or
> more and
> is a big pain out of the water. Plus they didn't get the seats in
> quite
> the right place.... I suppose if we used a trailer all the time it
> wouldn't be too bad. She likes the boat very much. I guess because
> of
> the complicated but smooth shape and a long waterline it seems
> faster
> than other rowboats I've tried.
>
> Lincoln Ross
> trying to avoid the last throes of a certain national bookeeping
> obligation
> >someone wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> William
> >>> Garden said in one of his books that for pleasure rowing, a
> boat
> >>> should be 100 lbs or less.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> WilliamI just got an issue of MAIB which features Bolger remarks on the
> Garden said in one of his books that for pleasure rowing, a boat
> should be 100 lbs or less.
Victoria rowing boat. He compares two versions. The original weighs
160 lbs and an airex version weighs 90 lbs. He says the lighter boat
has noticably better acceleration and can be stopped quicker, as
would be expected. He does not say that the wooden boat is too heavy
to enjoy; quite the opposite.
Bolger is more oriented to a style of rowing that features enjoyment
in the doing, rather than high speed or long distance, which may
account some for the difference in opinion.
Peter
Pierre, take a look at Steve Redmond's Whisp:
http://www.sredmond.com/index_boat.htm
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Yes, I have the Seagull right at the top of my list, and have been
in communication with a few who have built one.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
in communication with a few who have built one.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote: "Ireally
> don't think I will sail her, actually. Just a fond dream. "complexity
>
> Pierre,
>
> Then don't build the sail gear, it doubles (or triples) the
> and cost and spoils her for rowing.European
>
> Still had to beat a JW Seagull or Light Dory for your use.
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/lightdory/index.htm
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/seagull/index.htm
>
> As beautiful and functuional as the Gloucester Gull, with the added
> safety of fore and aft floatation chambers.
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
> New 1000 Islands photos in the files section for your viewing
> pleasure. Take a peak, we're particularly interested in more
> swaps for summer 2005.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote: "I really
don't think I will sail her, actually. Just a fond dream. "
Pierre,
Then don't build the sail gear, it doubles (or triples) the complexity
and cost and spoils her for rowing.
Still had to beat a JW Seagull or Light Dory for your use.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/lightdory/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/seagull/index.htm
As beautiful and functuional as the Gloucester Gull, with the added
safety of fore and aft floatation chambers.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
New 1000 Islands photos in the files section for your viewing
pleasure. Take a peak, we're particularly interested in more European
swaps for summer 2005.
don't think I will sail her, actually. Just a fond dream. "
Pierre,
Then don't build the sail gear, it doubles (or triples) the complexity
and cost and spoils her for rowing.
Still had to beat a JW Seagull or Light Dory for your use.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/lightdory/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/seagull/index.htm
As beautiful and functuional as the Gloucester Gull, with the added
safety of fore and aft floatation chambers.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
New 1000 Islands photos in the files section for your viewing
pleasure. Take a peak, we're particularly interested in more European
swaps for summer 2005.
The Rebecca you pointed out looks good, although the construction
looks more complicated and costly. I suspect the Bay Skiff is
considerably less than 150 lbs. without the sailing construction,
but I will have to check. I really don't think I will sail her,
actually. Just a fond dream.
Thanks again.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
looks more complicated and costly. I suspect the Bay Skiff is
considerably less than 150 lbs. without the sailing construction,
but I will have to check. I really don't think I will sail her,
actually. Just a fond dream.
Thanks again.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
> > Bay Skiff 15William
>
> I'm not a rower myself, so I have to go by what I have read.
> Garden said in one of his books that for pleasure rowing, a boatplan
> should be 100 lbs or less. Bay Skiff is LISTED at 150. Also, the
> view does not show the centerboard which would be necessary forwhich
> sailing and which would cause a lot of drag when rowing.
>
> It's very possible that the 150 is for a hull with centerboard and
> that the plans might show an option without a centerboard trunk
> would be much closer to the Garden Threshold.
>
> Just stuff to think about.
>
> Peter
>
> p.s. Have you seen this somewhat similar boat (120lbs)?
>http://www.boatplans-online.com/proddetail.php?prod=RB15
> Bay Skiff 15I'm not a rower myself, so I have to go by what I have read. William
Garden said in one of his books that for pleasure rowing, a boat
should be 100 lbs or less. Bay Skiff is LISTED at 150. Also, the plan
view does not show the centerboard which would be necessary for
sailing and which would cause a lot of drag when rowing.
It's very possible that the 150 is for a hull with centerboard and
that the plans might show an option without a centerboard trunk which
would be much closer to the Garden Threshold.
Just stuff to think about.
Peter
p.s. Have you seen this somewhat similar boat (120lbs)?
http://www.boatplans-online.com/proddetail.php?prod=RB15
I have spent much of the day looking at dozens of designs, and the
one that seems to meet my needs best is the Bay Skiff 15, here:
http://www.cmdboats.com/bayskiff15.htm?
cart_id=27d2880775124bbb8fa2ab049af6efce
I wonder if anyone knows how this boat handles? It seems to be just
about right. I would alter the rear seat somewhat. I also love the
sailplan, although I would rarely sail it.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
one that seems to meet my needs best is the Bay Skiff 15, here:
http://www.cmdboats.com/bayskiff15.htm?
cart_id=27d2880775124bbb8fa2ab049af6efce
I wonder if anyone knows how this boat handles? It seems to be just
about right. I would alter the rear seat somewhat. I also love the
sailplan, although I would rarely sail it.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
> It's an interesting observation that, for all the flat-bottomedboats
> that he has drawn, PCB does not feature a rowing boat on thatmodel.
> (Dories are different.) You might count June Bug as the exception.was
> It's 14', your minimum length, and was designed for oars. The rig
> an afterthought, per PCB. But it was designed for capacity ratherfor
> than speed and elegance in long distance rowing.
>
> There are a couple boats in the row & sail category that you might
> take a look at, Surf for example. Featherwind, aka $200 sailboat,
> another. The Pirate Racer. I think they are all too short to bewhat
> you want.
>
> V-bottom boats are a different story.
>
> Peter
It's an interesting observation that, for all the flat-bottomed boats
that he has drawn, PCB does not feature a rowing boat on that model.
(Dories are different.) You might count June Bug as the exception.
It's 14', your minimum length, and was designed for oars. The rig was
an afterthought, per PCB. But it was designed for capacity rather
than speed and elegance in long distance rowing.
There are a couple boats in the row & sail category that you might
take a look at, Surf for example. Featherwind, aka $200 sailboat, for
another. The Pirate Racer. I think they are all too short to be what
you want.
V-bottom boats are a different story.
Peter
that he has drawn, PCB does not feature a rowing boat on that model.
(Dories are different.) You might count June Bug as the exception.
It's 14', your minimum length, and was designed for oars. The rig was
an afterthought, per PCB. But it was designed for capacity rather
than speed and elegance in long distance rowing.
There are a couple boats in the row & sail category that you might
take a look at, Surf for example. Featherwind, aka $200 sailboat, for
another. The Pirate Racer. I think they are all too short to be what
you want.
V-bottom boats are a different story.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote: "How do
you find your Seagull?"
Hi Pierre,
I love my Seagull,
http://www.brucesboats.com/page5.html
so much that I've now got the plans for John Welsfrod's Goldenbay
Setnet, a smaller 13 foot version for easier cartopping.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/goldenbaysetnet/index.htm
Gypsy is certainly a capable boat, but she doesn't have the
flat-rockered bottom and carrying capacity of the Seagull or similar
Bolger designs.
Bruce Hector
you find your Seagull?"
Hi Pierre,
I love my Seagull,
http://www.brucesboats.com/page5.html
so much that I've now got the plans for John Welsfrod's Goldenbay
Setnet, a smaller 13 foot version for easier cartopping.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/goldenbaysetnet/index.htm
Gypsy is certainly a capable boat, but she doesn't have the
flat-rockered bottom and carrying capacity of the Seagull or similar
Bolger designs.
Bruce Hector
Againhttp://www.atkinboatplans.com/
D
D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "myvoj" <myvoj@y...> wrote:
> I am looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
> are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats Wineglass
> Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there a Bolger
> design for such a boat?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
looks of is the Gypsy, even though it isn't quite the skiff design I
was mentioning. How do you find your Seagull?
Pierre
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "myvoj" <myvoj@y...> wrote: "I amWineglass
> looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
> > are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats
> > Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there aBolger
> > design for such a boat? "at
>
> June Bug, Fisherman's Skiff, Work Skiff all available from Payson
> http:www.instantboats.comThanks. I went to the instantboats site, and the one I like the
>
> Bruce Hector
> My Seagull, Sport Dory and Goldenbay Setnet Skiff will be at the
> Kingston Messabout if you want to try them.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
looks of is the Gypsy, even though it isn't quite the skiff design I
was mentioning. How do you find your Seagull?
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "myvoj" <myvoj@y...> wrote: "I am
looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
http:www.instantboats.com
Bruce Hector
My Seagull, Sport Dory and Goldenbay Setnet Skiff will be at the
Kingston Messabout if you want to try them.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
> are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats WineglassJune Bug, Fisherman's Skiff, Work Skiff all available from Payson at
> Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there a Bolger
> design for such a boat? "
http:www.instantboats.com
Bruce Hector
My Seagull, Sport Dory and Goldenbay Setnet Skiff will be at the
Kingston Messabout if you want to try them.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
You may want to look at several of Jim Michalak's designs. You can link to him from Duckworks, or pick up Boatbuilding for beginners and beyond. For the price of his plans, (About 20 bucks) you can get several just for study.
----- Original Message -----
From: myvoj
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] attractive rowboat
I am looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats Wineglass
Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there a Bolger
design for such a boat?
Thanks.
Pierre
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I am looking to build a 14-16 ft. rowboat. The sort of lines I like
are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats Wineglass
Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there a Bolger
design for such a boat?
Thanks.
Pierre
are in the Seagull by John Welsford, or the Pygmy Boats Wineglass
Wherry. I prefer the flatter-bottom, skiff design. Is there a Bolger
design for such a boat?
Thanks.
Pierre