[bolger] Re: MICRO Sail plan Alternative - THANK YOU!
>Derek, light-sheeting and self-vanging are great points for me toTake a look at the rig on the Chapelle skiff in the current issue of
>remember: I'm glad you mentioned them. And like Micro, no matter how
>hard I train, I never run much faster either!
Duckworks online. Add a club to a sprit-boomed rig for more area down low.
That's where you want it.
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Greetings All,
Great responses all...I very much appreciate it.
Bruce (Hector), the photos in bolger3 look intriguing.
Paul, the plans came from CSB some time ago. A quick estimate makes
me believe the additional three feet on the mast would yeild an
additional ~20 sqr ft of sail area. This option sounds great.
Derek, light-sheeting and self-vanging are great points for me to
remember: I'm glad you mentioned them. And like Micro, no matter how
hard I train, I never run much faster either!
Bruce (Hallman), building to plans is sound, reasonable, and prudent
advice....so you know I'm not likely to do that! (LOL) But your
point about asking Phil directly is well taken.
Thanks all,
Jim
Great responses all...I very much appreciate it.
Bruce (Hector), the photos in bolger3 look intriguing.
Paul, the plans came from CSB some time ago. A quick estimate makes
me believe the additional three feet on the mast would yeild an
additional ~20 sqr ft of sail area. This option sounds great.
Derek, light-sheeting and self-vanging are great points for me to
remember: I'm glad you mentioned them. And like Micro, no matter how
hard I train, I never run much faster either!
Bruce (Hallman), building to plans is sound, reasonable, and prudent
advice....so you know I'm not likely to do that! (LOL) But your
point about asking Phil directly is well taken.
Thanks all,
Jim
The standard Micro is well tried and
tested and is an unqualified success
when build per plans.
My advice is to build and use it
exactly per plans, and then modify
it [if at all] based on that
experience.
Note that the Navigator version doesn't
have added ballast on the greater
sail area. The biggest reason for
the Chinese Gaff rig is that it needs
to be controlled entirely from inside
the cabin. You can't do that easily
with the sprit rig.
Also, note that if you have an outboard
motor, in winds so light that you find
the boat to be undercanvased, you can
just use the motor.
Also, you could and should direct your
questions about modifications to the
design to Phil Bolger directly too.
tested and is an unqualified success
when build per plans.
My advice is to build and use it
exactly per plans, and then modify
it [if at all] based on that
experience.
Note that the Navigator version doesn't
have added ballast on the greater
sail area. The biggest reason for
the Chinese Gaff rig is that it needs
to be controlled entirely from inside
the cabin. You can't do that easily
with the sprit rig.
Also, note that if you have an outboard
motor, in winds so light that you find
the boat to be undercanvased, you can
just use the motor.
Also, you could and should direct your
questions about modifications to the
design to Phil Bolger directly too.
Hi Jim
IIRC, Bolger currently recommends that those building the sprit-boomed rig
do so on a longer mast than the original drawings show, for increased area.
When PB&F write "...need for more sail area..." that is more sail area on
the existing hull - no extra ballast. The extra sail area drawn for the
Navigator is suggested as light air sail - in a 'normal sailing breeze' the
first reef would be taken. That rig carries something over 200 sq feet, with
175 or so in the main.
The sprit boom may not be the most elegant system for reefing, but it has
the advantages of being light to sheet and self vanging, with a useful
degree of draft control. If you go to a boomed sail you will need to deal
with these matters seperately
Lots of Micro builders [our very own P. Lenihan for one] have been happy
with the standard rig. At the risk of stating the obvious, the sail area you
will need is dependant on your local wind conditions, and with a 12 foot
waterline displacement hull Micro is never going to be extremely fast with
any amount of sail.
cheers
Derek
IIRC, Bolger currently recommends that those building the sprit-boomed rig
do so on a longer mast than the original drawings show, for increased area.
When PB&F write "...need for more sail area..." that is more sail area on
the existing hull - no extra ballast. The extra sail area drawn for the
Navigator is suggested as light air sail - in a 'normal sailing breeze' the
first reef would be taken. That rig carries something over 200 sq feet, with
175 or so in the main.
The sprit boom may not be the most elegant system for reefing, but it has
the advantages of being light to sheet and self vanging, with a useful
degree of draft control. If you go to a boomed sail you will need to deal
with these matters seperately
Lots of Micro builders [our very own P. Lenihan for one] have been happy
with the standard rig. At the risk of stating the obvious, the sail area you
will need is dependant on your local wind conditions, and with a 12 foot
waterline displacement hull Micro is never going to be extremely fast with
any amount of sail.
cheers
Derek
Also did you buy your plans from Bolger, or CSB? Because on recent plans,
Bolger includes an option that puts more sail area up high on the standard
rig; I'm going with this on my micro. It adds 3' to the top of the mast, and
3' of height to the mainsail triangle; I can't remember off the top of my
head what the new sail area is, but he did this a few years ago specifically
to address the light-air performance; note that both the increased area and
height work in your favor under these conditions. I moved the standard
single reefing points down and added another less radical reef as well, to
be able to compensate if it gets to be too much. Haven't sailed it yet, so
can't tell you how well it'll work!
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From:findleyjh@...[mailto:findleyjh@...]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:55 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] MICRO Sail plan Alternative?
Greetings All,
I'm a longtime reader, first time poster looking for some experienced
advice on Micro's sail plan.
My Micro hull is mostly complete and it's time to build the keel,
pour the lead ballast, and get to work on the masts/spars.
I've read Phil's write-up on the Navigator where he mentions "the
long overdue need for more sail area." I'm not interested in
building a Navigator, nor do I prefer the Chinese Gaff.
What I'm looking for is advice on creating more sail area and
balancing that with more ballast.
-Is approximately 200 square feet out of line or manageable?
-How much additional weight should I pour into my keel, if any?
-Should I consider a traditional boom instead of a sprit?
-What other sail plan should I consider?
I appreciate your help.
Cheers,
Jim
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Bolger includes an option that puts more sail area up high on the standard
rig; I'm going with this on my micro. It adds 3' to the top of the mast, and
3' of height to the mainsail triangle; I can't remember off the top of my
head what the new sail area is, but he did this a few years ago specifically
to address the light-air performance; note that both the increased area and
height work in your favor under these conditions. I moved the standard
single reefing points down and added another less radical reef as well, to
be able to compensate if it gets to be too much. Haven't sailed it yet, so
can't tell you how well it'll work!
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From:findleyjh@...[mailto:findleyjh@...]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:55 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] MICRO Sail plan Alternative?
Greetings All,
I'm a longtime reader, first time poster looking for some experienced
advice on Micro's sail plan.
My Micro hull is mostly complete and it's time to build the keel,
pour the lead ballast, and get to work on the masts/spars.
I've read Phil's write-up on the Navigator where he mentions "the
long overdue need for more sail area." I'm not interested in
building a Navigator, nor do I prefer the Chinese Gaff.
What I'm looking for is advice on creating more sail area and
balancing that with more ballast.
-Is approximately 200 square feet out of line or manageable?
-How much additional weight should I pour into my keel, if any?
-Should I consider a traditional boom instead of a sprit?
-What other sail plan should I consider?
I appreciate your help.
Cheers,
Jim
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
Oops, wrong link. Try here:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger3
and look for the album "Micro Gaffer".
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger3
and look for the album "Micro Gaffer".
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, findleyjh@e... wrote:
"I'm a longtime reader, first time poster looking for some experienced
advice on <alternative> Micro's sail plan."
Have you seen the Micro Gaff rig in Bolger3's photo section?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
Bruce Hector
Greetings All,
I'm a longtime reader, first time poster looking for some experienced
advice on Micro's sail plan.
My Micro hull is mostly complete and it's time to build the keel,
pour the lead ballast, and get to work on the masts/spars.
I've read Phil's write-up on the Navigator where he mentions "the
long overdue need for more sail area." I'm not interested in
building a Navigator, nor do I prefer the Chinese Gaff.
What I'm looking for is advice on creating more sail area and
balancing that with more ballast.
-Is approximately 200 square feet out of line or manageable?
-How much additional weight should I pour into my keel, if any?
-Should I consider a traditional boom instead of a sprit?
-What other sail plan should I consider?
I appreciate your help.
Cheers,
Jim
I'm a longtime reader, first time poster looking for some experienced
advice on Micro's sail plan.
My Micro hull is mostly complete and it's time to build the keel,
pour the lead ballast, and get to work on the masts/spars.
I've read Phil's write-up on the Navigator where he mentions "the
long overdue need for more sail area." I'm not interested in
building a Navigator, nor do I prefer the Chinese Gaff.
What I'm looking for is advice on creating more sail area and
balancing that with more ballast.
-Is approximately 200 square feet out of line or manageable?
-How much additional weight should I pour into my keel, if any?
-Should I consider a traditional boom instead of a sprit?
-What other sail plan should I consider?
I appreciate your help.
Cheers,
Jim