Re: 12 Foot Minus Sailboat
Pat,
I have plans for Truant. I really like the design. You can see pics
and a write up about Truant on Bill Serjeant's website. Also, Check
out the write up on Woodenboat.nz. Look under Boats, then Truant.
There are 3 links, I think, and at least one of those gives an
overview of the construction of the boat. Finally, if you go to
Welsford's website and check out the links pages. There is a site
dedicated to Welsford's Sweet Pea Design. If you go to that site,
click on "Paul's Project" and scroll through the pics. There you will
find a fine clear picture of Truant rigged up on a trailer. A nice
looking boat! Good Luck, Dennis
I have plans for Truant. I really like the design. You can see pics
and a write up about Truant on Bill Serjeant's website. Also, Check
out the write up on Woodenboat.nz. Look under Boats, then Truant.
There are 3 links, I think, and at least one of those gives an
overview of the construction of the boat. Finally, if you go to
Welsford's website and check out the links pages. There is a site
dedicated to Welsford's Sweet Pea Design. If you go to that site,
click on "Paul's Project" and scroll through the pics. There you will
find a fine clear picture of Truant rigged up on a trailer. A nice
looking boat! Good Luck, Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "antec007" <pateson@c...> wrote:
> Thanks Dennis And Chuck
>
> I just wrote a long reply that got lost in the Yahoo Ether
> for not sighning in within the last 2 minutes.
> But, I ususaly write using MS Word so you guys can read what I
write.
> My speling isn't very good wihtout a spell chequer.
> Write there an copy and paste here.
> Saves those long replies that disappear at Yahoo's whim.
>
> "Truant" did catch my eye.
> Sticks. I Love Sticks.
> Designed just the right size so No multiplying all the measurments
by
> decimal points And it looks like if fits All of my requirements.
> And, That Would make the "Ol' Coot" eyes pop out. Nice Looking
Boat.
> Do you know anybody that has built one?
>
> But, I'm still comparing, right now.
>
> So, here's the message a wrote a few minuits ago, saved in ms word
as
> my continuing "messabout talk.doc"
> (all my messages for the last few months as one big .doc file.)
> Yahoo can't outsmart me.
> "Can't make a fool outa me. I already Are one." <g>
>
> Thanks All for the help.
> See what I mean about my need for a spell checker.
>
> Pat
>
> 11:15AM
>
> Thanks for the several Ideas.
> Now, something more to think about.
> All are worth a second look.
> "Truant" is pretty close.
> Pointy nose and lots of beam And it Looks very nice.
>
> But, I have almost forgotten about my "Elegant Punt". It is over
20
> years old now, but still sound and I do have a rudder and leeboard
> for it and it Will sail. All I need is a rig.
> And it barley fits most of my requirements. It is "Seaworthy" (I
have
> never accidentally dumped it) and it will "Hold" 2 people, but
> Sailing with 2 would be cozy and only on Very protected waters,
close
> to shore.
> But, it would get me sailing again, and it will cartop easily or
just
> slip into the cockpit of my "PK-20" or the back of my truck.
>
> But, I've never built a "Teal".
> After I built the "Elegant Punt" from the Tiny plans in
> Bolger's "Folding Schooner" book I read a little farther in the
book
> and found the "Teal".
> Bolger says "Teal" is the boat he Should have designed when he did
> the "Elegant Punt". Same material but a bigger boat.
> Maybe Bolger Is right. <g>
> But, I've always Loved my "Elegant Punt".
> I tend to forget that the actual boats are a lot bigger in person
> than they look in the book. So, a "Teal" might be big enough for
> casual sailing on sheltered water.
> I have the leeboard and rudder from my "Elegant Punt", and it Is
> about the same weight as the Punt so it would also cartop easily.
> And, I'm pretty sure I have enough materials collected over the
last
> couple of years to build one.
> And with a (non-measured) bow sprit and possibly a boomkin, and
Very
> short spars, it Might be the "Cartop Schooner" I'm looking for. <g>
>
>
> But keep the ideas coming. I'm always Thinking about the Next boat
> and one of the suggestions might get me to do more than just Think.
> (Humm. A "Teal" That's kind of like a "Coot" The "Ol' Coot"
Burgee
> would work Great.)
> And, you suggestons, might let me Discover some new boats and
> rediscover some that I may have overlooked in the past.
>
> I Am looking for a boat that is Not "tack and tape" or "stitch and
> glue".
> I like to use Sticks for chines and the like.
> I Like and Know wood. I can "use" epoxy.
> A little epoxy is OK, but I don't want to use it for Everything.
>
> The main reason is; I just Like sticks better. <g>
>
> I am not a great fan of the Boating Regulation in Oregon.
> No fan of Any Regulations, really.
> Some do help keep the madness under some control.
> Their reasoning is simple. It's more money for them.
> And, I guess they were "Kind" enough to "Allow" us to enjoy Very
Small
> Sailboats without having to pay the State any money.
> But, from what I've heard and read, Oregon is kind of in the middle
> for fees and regulations for boats.
> It's $3 per foot for nearly all power (any kind of motor) or sail
> boats (over 12') now, but no Property Taxes on small boats. And no
> licenses required for small boat trailers, so it Could be worse.
> (It could Always be Worse.)
>
> Steve Sinclair, One of our Western Oregon Messabout Group members
> almost got dinged more than the cost of his new boat because
> of "Ignorance" (so it's not Always bliss).
> He recently built the "$200 Sailboat" for an actual cost of a $260.
> The ticket that he Almost got (for no registration and
no "Throwable")
> Would have been $270, but I think the Cop took pity on him because
> he "Volunteered for a Safety Check" and had not actually been
stopped
> on the water.
> Now, That would have been Cold.
>
> I don't know if states have a reciprocal, relationship that honors
> the regulations of the Residency of the Boat Owner.
> That Might be one to check.
> I'd hate to have "Ignorance" cost Me a lot of money.
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> > Welsford's Truant is not S&G construction. It takes chine and
bilge
> > stringers.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > Good call, Dennis. This would be a good choice, Pat - the right
> size, it's not S&G and it would make your fellow messabouters eyes
> pop out!
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks Dennis And Chuck
I just wrote a long reply that got lost in the Yahoo Ether
for not sighning in within the last 2 minutes.
But, I ususaly write using MS Word so you guys can read what I write.
My speling isn't very good wihtout a spell chequer.
Write there an copy and paste here.
Saves those long replies that disappear at Yahoo's whim.
"Truant" did catch my eye.
Sticks. I Love Sticks.
Designed just the right size so No multiplying all the measurments by
decimal points And it looks like if fits All of my requirements.
And, That Would make the "Ol' Coot" eyes pop out. Nice Looking Boat.
Do you know anybody that has built one?
But, I'm still comparing, right now.
So, here's the message a wrote a few minuits ago, saved in ms word as
my continuing "messabout talk.doc"
(all my messages for the last few months as one big .doc file.)
Yahoo can't outsmart me.
"Can't make a fool outa me. I already Are one." <g>
Thanks All for the help.
See what I mean about my need for a spell checker.
Pat
11:15AM
Thanks for the several Ideas.
Now, something more to think about.
All are worth a second look.
"Truant" is pretty close.
Pointy nose and lots of beam And it Looks very nice.
But, I have almost forgotten about my "Elegant Punt". It is over 20
years old now, but still sound and I do have a rudder and leeboard
for it and it Will sail. All I need is a rig.
And it barley fits most of my requirements. It is "Seaworthy" (I have
never accidentally dumped it) and it will "Hold" 2 people, but
Sailing with 2 would be cozy and only on Very protected waters, close
to shore.
But, it would get me sailing again, and it will cartop easily or just
slip into the cockpit of my "PK-20" or the back of my truck.
But, I've never built a "Teal".
After I built the "Elegant Punt" from the Tiny plans in
Bolger's "Folding Schooner" book I read a little farther in the book
and found the "Teal".
Bolger says "Teal" is the boat he Should have designed when he did
the "Elegant Punt". Same material but a bigger boat.
Maybe Bolger Is right. <g>
But, I've always Loved my "Elegant Punt".
I tend to forget that the actual boats are a lot bigger in person
than they look in the book. So, a "Teal" might be big enough for
casual sailing on sheltered water.
I have the leeboard and rudder from my "Elegant Punt", and it Is
about the same weight as the Punt so it would also cartop easily.
And, I'm pretty sure I have enough materials collected over the last
couple of years to build one.
And with a (non-measured) bow sprit and possibly a boomkin, and Very
short spars, it Might be the "Cartop Schooner" I'm looking for. <g>
But keep the ideas coming. I'm always Thinking about the Next boat
and one of the suggestions might get me to do more than just Think.
(Humm. A "Teal" That's kind of like a "Coot" The "Ol' Coot" Burgee
would work Great.)
And, you suggestons, might let me Discover some new boats and
rediscover some that I may have overlooked in the past.
I Am looking for a boat that is Not "tack and tape" or "stitch and
glue".
I like to use Sticks for chines and the like.
I Like and Know wood. I can "use" epoxy.
A little epoxy is OK, but I don't want to use it for Everything.
The main reason is; I just Like sticks better. <g>
I am not a great fan of the Boating Regulation in Oregon.
No fan of Any Regulations, really.
Some do help keep the madness under some control.
Their reasoning is simple. It's more money for them.
And, I guess they were "Kind" enough to "Allow" us to enjoy Very Small
Sailboats without having to pay the State any money.
But, from what I've heard and read, Oregon is kind of in the middle
for fees and regulations for boats.
It's $3 per foot for nearly all power (any kind of motor) or sail
boats (over 12') now, but no Property Taxes on small boats. And no
licenses required for small boat trailers, so it Could be worse.
(It could Always be Worse.)
Steve Sinclair, One of our Western Oregon Messabout Group members
almost got dinged more than the cost of his new boat because
of "Ignorance" (so it's not Always bliss).
He recently built the "$200 Sailboat" for an actual cost of a $260.
The ticket that he Almost got (for no registration and no "Throwable")
Would have been $270, but I think the Cop took pity on him because
he "Volunteered for a Safety Check" and had not actually been stopped
on the water.
Now, That would have been Cold.
I don't know if states have a reciprocal, relationship that honors
the regulations of the Residency of the Boat Owner.
That Might be one to check.
I'd hate to have "Ignorance" cost Me a lot of money.
Thanks for the help.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
I just wrote a long reply that got lost in the Yahoo Ether
for not sighning in within the last 2 minutes.
But, I ususaly write using MS Word so you guys can read what I write.
My speling isn't very good wihtout a spell chequer.
Write there an copy and paste here.
Saves those long replies that disappear at Yahoo's whim.
"Truant" did catch my eye.
Sticks. I Love Sticks.
Designed just the right size so No multiplying all the measurments by
decimal points And it looks like if fits All of my requirements.
And, That Would make the "Ol' Coot" eyes pop out. Nice Looking Boat.
Do you know anybody that has built one?
But, I'm still comparing, right now.
So, here's the message a wrote a few minuits ago, saved in ms word as
my continuing "messabout talk.doc"
(all my messages for the last few months as one big .doc file.)
Yahoo can't outsmart me.
"Can't make a fool outa me. I already Are one." <g>
Thanks All for the help.
See what I mean about my need for a spell checker.
Pat
11:15AM
Thanks for the several Ideas.
Now, something more to think about.
All are worth a second look.
"Truant" is pretty close.
Pointy nose and lots of beam And it Looks very nice.
But, I have almost forgotten about my "Elegant Punt". It is over 20
years old now, but still sound and I do have a rudder and leeboard
for it and it Will sail. All I need is a rig.
And it barley fits most of my requirements. It is "Seaworthy" (I have
never accidentally dumped it) and it will "Hold" 2 people, but
Sailing with 2 would be cozy and only on Very protected waters, close
to shore.
But, it would get me sailing again, and it will cartop easily or just
slip into the cockpit of my "PK-20" or the back of my truck.
But, I've never built a "Teal".
After I built the "Elegant Punt" from the Tiny plans in
Bolger's "Folding Schooner" book I read a little farther in the book
and found the "Teal".
Bolger says "Teal" is the boat he Should have designed when he did
the "Elegant Punt". Same material but a bigger boat.
Maybe Bolger Is right. <g>
But, I've always Loved my "Elegant Punt".
I tend to forget that the actual boats are a lot bigger in person
than they look in the book. So, a "Teal" might be big enough for
casual sailing on sheltered water.
I have the leeboard and rudder from my "Elegant Punt", and it Is
about the same weight as the Punt so it would also cartop easily.
And, I'm pretty sure I have enough materials collected over the last
couple of years to build one.
And with a (non-measured) bow sprit and possibly a boomkin, and Very
short spars, it Might be the "Cartop Schooner" I'm looking for. <g>
But keep the ideas coming. I'm always Thinking about the Next boat
and one of the suggestions might get me to do more than just Think.
(Humm. A "Teal" That's kind of like a "Coot" The "Ol' Coot" Burgee
would work Great.)
And, you suggestons, might let me Discover some new boats and
rediscover some that I may have overlooked in the past.
I Am looking for a boat that is Not "tack and tape" or "stitch and
glue".
I like to use Sticks for chines and the like.
I Like and Know wood. I can "use" epoxy.
A little epoxy is OK, but I don't want to use it for Everything.
The main reason is; I just Like sticks better. <g>
I am not a great fan of the Boating Regulation in Oregon.
No fan of Any Regulations, really.
Some do help keep the madness under some control.
Their reasoning is simple. It's more money for them.
And, I guess they were "Kind" enough to "Allow" us to enjoy Very Small
Sailboats without having to pay the State any money.
But, from what I've heard and read, Oregon is kind of in the middle
for fees and regulations for boats.
It's $3 per foot for nearly all power (any kind of motor) or sail
boats (over 12') now, but no Property Taxes on small boats. And no
licenses required for small boat trailers, so it Could be worse.
(It could Always be Worse.)
Steve Sinclair, One of our Western Oregon Messabout Group members
almost got dinged more than the cost of his new boat because
of "Ignorance" (so it's not Always bliss).
He recently built the "$200 Sailboat" for an actual cost of a $260.
The ticket that he Almost got (for no registration and no "Throwable")
Would have been $270, but I think the Cop took pity on him because
he "Volunteered for a Safety Check" and had not actually been stopped
on the water.
Now, That would have been Cold.
I don't know if states have a reciprocal, relationship that honors
the regulations of the Residency of the Boat Owner.
That Might be one to check.
I'd hate to have "Ignorance" cost Me a lot of money.
Thanks for the help.
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> Welsford's Truant is not S&G construction. It takes chine and bilge
> stringers.
>
> Dennis
>
> Good call, Dennis. This would be a good choice, Pat - the right
size, it's not S&G and it would make your fellow messabouters eyes
pop out!
>
> Chuck
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Welsford's Truant is not S&G construction. It takes chine and bilge
stringers.
Dennis
Good call, Dennis. This would be a good choice, Pat - the right size, it's not S&G and it would make your fellow messabouters eyes pop out!
Chuck
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
stringers.
Dennis
Good call, Dennis. This would be a good choice, Pat - the right size, it's not S&G and it would make your fellow messabouters eyes pop out!
Chuck
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Welsford's Truant is not S&G construction. It takes chine and bilge
stringers.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
stringers.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> Have you considered John Welsford's Truant, an 11' 6" daysailor withwould
> nice lines. It's S and G, but you could use Chuck's screwed angled
> chine blocks and pull ties to eliminate the wire or line. Still
> need epoxy though.
>
> Looks good and would fill the bill.
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/truant/index.htm
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
that works by nailing the bulkheads to the hull panels, then
taping up the seams. If your objections to S&G are from the
twist problem or the work required to wire the panels together,
the Cartopper might be a good choice. If it's taping the seams
that you don't like, though, that might be a problem.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> The Bolger design for your wish list is the Cartopper, but it hasEpoxy seams, yes, but not stitch-and-glue -- it's "tack-and-tape"
> epoxy seam construction, which you don't want.
that works by nailing the bulkheads to the hull panels, then
taping up the seams. If your objections to S&G are from the
twist problem or the work required to wire the panels together,
the Cartopper might be a good choice. If it's taping the seams
that you don't like, though, that might be a problem.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Kind of amazing the stupid regulations people come up with, as if every
sailboat was scaled up or down but of the same proportions so that a 12
foot sailboat was always the same. I see a need for regulations
sometimes, but not like this. I wonder what problem they thought they
were solving. If Massachusetts requires anything like this, I'm not
aware of it. Maybe I'll try to keep my happy ignorance. But what would
happen if I took my boat to another state? Or another country for that
matter, as I hope to do in September?
By the way, Thomas Firth Jones (I hope I've got the name right) built a
Bobcat with framing and has pictures in one of his books. I don't
remember if it's in Low Resistance (yeah, right) Boats or New Plywood
Boats. (I think those are the titles). But it doesn't sound like a super
easy project. He doesn't think stitch and glue would be so easy, either,
with the sharp curves.
I recall Jones has designs for a small sailing Garvey and something
called Barrel of Monkeys (I hope that's what he called it) that might be
suitable, but neither are plywood tack and tape. The latter looks to be
pretty simple strip built. He says to be careful what kind of glue to
use as the original sagged a lot.
sailboat was scaled up or down but of the same proportions so that a 12
foot sailboat was always the same. I see a need for regulations
sometimes, but not like this. I wonder what problem they thought they
were solving. If Massachusetts requires anything like this, I'm not
aware of it. Maybe I'll try to keep my happy ignorance. But what would
happen if I took my boat to another state? Or another country for that
matter, as I hope to do in September?
By the way, Thomas Firth Jones (I hope I've got the name right) built a
Bobcat with framing and has pictures in one of his books. I don't
remember if it's in Low Resistance (yeah, right) Boats or New Plywood
Boats. (I think those are the titles). But it doesn't sound like a super
easy project. He doesn't think stitch and glue would be so easy, either,
with the sharp curves.
I recall Jones has designs for a small sailing Garvey and something
called Barrel of Monkeys (I hope that's what he called it) that might be
suitable, but neither are plywood tack and tape. The latter looks to be
pretty simple strip built. He says to be careful what kind of glue to
use as the original sagged a lot.
The Teal is 12' by 3'6"
and could easily be made
11'11" long. A fleet of
Teals racing is a great
idea!
and could easily be made
11'11" long. A fleet of
Teals racing is a great
idea!
Have you considered John Welsford's Truant, an 11' 6" daysailor with
nice lines. It's S and G, but you could use Chuck's screwed angled
chine blocks and pull ties to eliminate the wire or line. Still would
need epoxy though.
Looks good and would fill the bill.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/truant/index.htm
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
nice lines. It's S and G, but you could use Chuck's screwed angled
chine blocks and pull ties to eliminate the wire or line. Still would
need epoxy though.
Looks good and would fill the bill.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/truant/index.htm
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeboatexchange/
A two-person cartopping sailboat with centerboard is pretty much by
definition going to be a glued epoxy boat. I don't see the point of
"traditional" construction, which will be heavier and more time-consuming,
if the point is to sail in messabouts.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
definition going to be a glued epoxy boat. I don't see the point of
"traditional" construction, which will be heavier and more time-consuming,
if the point is to sail in messabouts.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
The Bolger design for your wish list is the Cartopper, but it has
epoxy seam construction, which you don't want. I think there is now a
sailing conversion for the Pointy Skiff, but she's a little shorter
than you want.
I suggest you look at David Beebe's Summer Breeze. There is a lot of
build info here:http://www.simplicityboats.com/summerbreeze.html
I can assure you that this design gets the maximum from the materials.
That 12' limit is a killer. It leaves out a lot of good boats. The
one that came to my mind first reading your spec was Stuart Reid's
Optimus Maximus but it turns out to be 12'2". I suppose you could set
the bow transom a bit more upright. The overall idea is similar to
the previously suggested Wishing Blossom, but just one chine. John
Welsford's Truant meets the length criterion, but it has a lot of
internal structure that drives the weight to 150lbs which is a lot to
cartop.
Good luck,
Peter
epoxy seam construction, which you don't want. I think there is now a
sailing conversion for the Pointy Skiff, but she's a little shorter
than you want.
I suggest you look at David Beebe's Summer Breeze. There is a lot of
build info here:http://www.simplicityboats.com/summerbreeze.html
I can assure you that this design gets the maximum from the materials.
That 12' limit is a killer. It leaves out a lot of good boats. The
one that came to my mind first reading your spec was Stuart Reid's
Optimus Maximus but it turns out to be 12'2". I suppose you could set
the bow transom a bit more upright. The overall idea is similar to
the previously suggested Wishing Blossom, but just one chine. John
Welsford's Truant meets the length criterion, but it has a lot of
internal structure that drives the weight to 150lbs which is a lot to
cartop.
Good luck,
Peter
>An 11' 11" Schooner would be Perfect. <g>And with a centerboard, there'd be no room for any passengers!
At the risk of pushing the aesthetic envelope, what you want is a garvey.
Look a little odd but are great boats and the other sailing Coots will be
jealous.
Alternatively look at the 14 fy Chapelle skiff in this month's Duckworks -
ther e are offsets so it can be input into a plyboats type program. Reduce
LOA to 12 feet and cut the beam a little.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
Take a look at my latest project: the 11'x5'X 71 sq ft. WISHING BLOSSOM.
Except for being S&G, it's pretty close to what you're looking for.
http://mistermoon.home.mindspring.com/wishing_blossom.jpg
JB
Except for being S&G, it's pretty close to what you're looking for.
http://mistermoon.home.mindspring.com/wishing_blossom.jpg
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "antec007" <pateson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: [bolger] 12 Foot Minus Sailboat
> I am looking for a design or idea for a Sailboat that is slightly
> less than 12' on deck. It could have a non-measured bowsprit and/or
> boomkin.
>
> The Western Oregon Messabouts consists mostly of small sail boaters,
> and while I have enjoyed my "PK-20" power cruiser at messabouts, I am
> looking for a small plywood Sailboat so I can join the rest of
> the "Ol' Coots" in a sail.
>
> Less than 12' is the main requirement because Oregon does not require
> registration or licensing of sailboats under 12' and I don't want to
> have to buy yet another boat license.
> Any power boats (even electrics) require a license, so accommodation
> for Any motor is not a consideration.
> Beam is not a concern, but I would like it to be relatively beamy for
> stability and so I can carry a another person without too much
> crowding or overloading, but it will be mostly single-handed.
> Simple (Michalak style) Leeboard(s) would be acceptable, but not
> preferable.
>
> I Would like a Sailboat that Looks like a sailboat. No "Bricks" or
> similar utilitarian boats that lack Any aesthetics.
> An 11' 11" Schooner would be Perfect. <g>
> But, I Would like it to be as lightweight as possible. I might want
> to car top it while towing my PK or "Boat Top" it on top of the PK
> while towing or carry it in the back of my 1 Ton flatbed truck with
> home built 12' furniture van.
> I'll nearly always have help getting it on and off the car or boat,
> so if it were light weight it could be a little awkward to load.
> I do have another small trailer if I want to take only it to the
> water.
> I would like it to be plywood with "Stick and glue" rather
> than "Stitch and Glue" construction.
> I just don't like working with epoxy any more than absolutely
> necessary.
> Simple "Instant Boat" construction would be preferable with no
> building frame or Strongback required.
>
> I would also like for it to be fairly quick and easy to build, with
> single or at the most double, chines and a simple rig with short,
> unstayed mast(s).
> It will probably start with a "Polytarp Sail".
>
> It needs to be Relatively "Seaworthy" and not require constant
> attention to keep it upright and enough freeboard to take moderate
> lake or river waves without too much concern.
>
> A Pointy nose would be nice, but a transom bow would be OK too.
> It will be "Workboat" finished but a touch of class here or there
> would not be objectionable.
>
> A couple of designs that I have considered are the Bolger Bobcat (The
> Bobcat is just about what I want, if I can build it stick and glue
> and keep it under 12') and the San Francisco Pelican. (Lots of room
> and seaworthy, but a little heavy.)
> And, I am even considering enlarging a Bolger "Elegant Punt" to 12'.
> I Know the 8' version is a nice boat and adequate (if not stellar)
> sailor.
> A 12' version should make a pretty decent little sailboat and I am
> willing to slightly shrink or enlarge a boat that might be just a
> little over or under 12' and would not suffer too much from the
> modification.
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated and any suggestions by builders
> of such a boat even more appreciated.
>
> I would like to join the Flock of the Coots when they "Take Flight".
>
> Thanks
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
>
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I am looking for a design or idea for a Sailboat that is slightly
less than 12' on deck. It could have a non-measured bowsprit and/or
boomkin.
The Western Oregon Messabouts consists mostly of small sail boaters,
and while I have enjoyed my "PK-20" power cruiser at messabouts, I am
looking for a small plywood Sailboat so I can join the rest of
the "Ol' Coots" in a sail.
Less than 12' is the main requirement because Oregon does not require
registration or licensing of sailboats under 12' and I don't want to
have to buy yet another boat license.
Any power boats (even electrics) require a license, so accommodation
for Any motor is not a consideration.
Beam is not a concern, but I would like it to be relatively beamy for
stability and so I can carry a another person without too much
crowding or overloading, but it will be mostly single-handed.
Simple (Michalak style) Leeboard(s) would be acceptable, but not
preferable.
I Would like a Sailboat that Looks like a sailboat. No "Bricks" or
similar utilitarian boats that lack Any aesthetics.
An 11' 11" Schooner would be Perfect. <g>
But, I Would like it to be as lightweight as possible. I might want
to car top it while towing my PK or "Boat Top" it on top of the PK
while towing or carry it in the back of my 1 Ton flatbed truck with
home built 12' furniture van.
I'll nearly always have help getting it on and off the car or boat,
so if it were light weight it could be a little awkward to load.
I do have another small trailer if I want to take only it to the
water.
I would like it to be plywood with "Stick and glue" rather
than "Stitch and Glue" construction.
I just don't like working with epoxy any more than absolutely
necessary.
Simple "Instant Boat" construction would be preferable with no
building frame or Strongback required.
I would also like for it to be fairly quick and easy to build, with
single or at the most double, chines and a simple rig with short,
unstayed mast(s).
It will probably start with a "Polytarp Sail".
It needs to be Relatively "Seaworthy" and not require constant
attention to keep it upright and enough freeboard to take moderate
lake or river waves without too much concern.
A Pointy nose would be nice, but a transom bow would be OK too.
It will be "Workboat" finished but a touch of class here or there
would not be objectionable.
A couple of designs that I have considered are the Bolger Bobcat (The
Bobcat is just about what I want, if I can build it stick and glue
and keep it under 12') and the San Francisco Pelican. (Lots of room
and seaworthy, but a little heavy.)
And, I am even considering enlarging a Bolger "Elegant Punt" to 12'.
I Know the 8' version is a nice boat and adequate (if not stellar)
sailor.
A 12' version should make a pretty decent little sailboat and I am
willing to slightly shrink or enlarge a boat that might be just a
little over or under 12' and would not suffer too much from the
modification.
Any suggestions would be appreciated and any suggestions by builders
of such a boat even more appreciated.
I would like to join the Flock of the Coots when they "Take Flight".
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
less than 12' on deck. It could have a non-measured bowsprit and/or
boomkin.
The Western Oregon Messabouts consists mostly of small sail boaters,
and while I have enjoyed my "PK-20" power cruiser at messabouts, I am
looking for a small plywood Sailboat so I can join the rest of
the "Ol' Coots" in a sail.
Less than 12' is the main requirement because Oregon does not require
registration or licensing of sailboats under 12' and I don't want to
have to buy yet another boat license.
Any power boats (even electrics) require a license, so accommodation
for Any motor is not a consideration.
Beam is not a concern, but I would like it to be relatively beamy for
stability and so I can carry a another person without too much
crowding or overloading, but it will be mostly single-handed.
Simple (Michalak style) Leeboard(s) would be acceptable, but not
preferable.
I Would like a Sailboat that Looks like a sailboat. No "Bricks" or
similar utilitarian boats that lack Any aesthetics.
An 11' 11" Schooner would be Perfect. <g>
But, I Would like it to be as lightweight as possible. I might want
to car top it while towing my PK or "Boat Top" it on top of the PK
while towing or carry it in the back of my 1 Ton flatbed truck with
home built 12' furniture van.
I'll nearly always have help getting it on and off the car or boat,
so if it were light weight it could be a little awkward to load.
I do have another small trailer if I want to take only it to the
water.
I would like it to be plywood with "Stick and glue" rather
than "Stitch and Glue" construction.
I just don't like working with epoxy any more than absolutely
necessary.
Simple "Instant Boat" construction would be preferable with no
building frame or Strongback required.
I would also like for it to be fairly quick and easy to build, with
single or at the most double, chines and a simple rig with short,
unstayed mast(s).
It will probably start with a "Polytarp Sail".
It needs to be Relatively "Seaworthy" and not require constant
attention to keep it upright and enough freeboard to take moderate
lake or river waves without too much concern.
A Pointy nose would be nice, but a transom bow would be OK too.
It will be "Workboat" finished but a touch of class here or there
would not be objectionable.
A couple of designs that I have considered are the Bolger Bobcat (The
Bobcat is just about what I want, if I can build it stick and glue
and keep it under 12') and the San Francisco Pelican. (Lots of room
and seaworthy, but a little heavy.)
And, I am even considering enlarging a Bolger "Elegant Punt" to 12'.
I Know the 8' version is a nice boat and adequate (if not stellar)
sailor.
A 12' version should make a pretty decent little sailboat and I am
willing to slightly shrink or enlarge a boat that might be just a
little over or under 12' and would not suffer too much from the
modification.
Any suggestions would be appreciated and any suggestions by builders
of such a boat even more appreciated.
I would like to join the Flock of the Coots when they "Take Flight".
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon