Re: [bolger] Re: WOW! (Storm Petrel Launching)
> I don't miss much in MAIB, but I think I missed thatI was at work and couldn't remember the name.
> one. Which 'big ballast sharpie' are you talking about,
> and/or which issue of MAIB?
>
Design #165, Fin Keel Sharpie Schooner.
30' x 7'11"x 3"6"
June1, 2004 issue of MAIB.
I don't miss much in MAIB, but I think I missed that
one. Which 'big ballast sharpie' are you talking about,
and/or which issue of MAIB?
It is great to see a Storm Petrel built, and photos
of her. Though, I hope that Tim is proceeding
to add the steel fin keel, as that ballast is
essential to the seaworthyness of that design.
And, gosh, the lakes in Alaska sure are pretty!
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:20:50 -0700,jmeddock@...
<jmeddock@...> wrote:
one. Which 'big ballast sharpie' are you talking about,
and/or which issue of MAIB?
It is great to see a Storm Petrel built, and photos
of her. Though, I hope that Tim is proceeding
to add the steel fin keel, as that ballast is
essential to the seaworthyness of that design.
And, gosh, the lakes in Alaska sure are pretty!
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:20:50 -0700,jmeddock@...
<jmeddock@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone notice Bolger's big ballast sharpie in MAIB
> a couple issues ago? Sure looks like a giant Storm Petrel...
Did anyone notice Bolger's big ballast sharpie in MAIB
a couple issues ago? Sure looks like a giant Storm Petrel...
a couple issues ago? Sure looks like a giant Storm Petrel...
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From: pseudospark <shansen@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:16 am
Subject: [bolger] Re: WOW! (Storm Petrel Launching)
> I overlooked the link to Fritz's site with the article on the
> Juneau
> Storm Petrel built by an eighth grader as a school project (makes
> me
> feel humble). I got a note from Fritz a couple of days ago and Tim
> (the builder) is working on the keel and sail rig. The boat (sans
> those elements) was launched on May 16.
>
> As I remember, my 8th grade shop project was an extremely ugly set
> of
> file draws made from pine and sheet metal. The drawers couldn't be
> swapped in the cabinet because my sheetmetal work was so bad
> nothing
> matched.
>
> As for my Storm Petrel, I am finally doing some serious cutting of
> ply.
>
> Steve H
>
> > Hi Ernest,
> >
> > If I were you, I would fax Phil Bolger and get an update and
> price
> > on STORM PETREL. The most boat for 8 sheets of plywood anywhere.
> >
> >http://209.193.28.16/Boats/StormPetrel/
> >
> > Cheers, Nels
>
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I overlooked the link to Fritz's site with the article on the Juneau
Storm Petrel built by an eighth grader as a school project (makes me
feel humble). I got a note from Fritz a couple of days ago and Tim
(the builder) is working on the keel and sail rig. The boat (sans
those elements) was launched on May 16.
As I remember, my 8th grade shop project was an extremely ugly set of
file draws made from pine and sheet metal. The drawers couldn't be
swapped in the cabinet because my sheetmetal work was so bad nothing
matched.
As for my Storm Petrel, I am finally doing some serious cutting of
ply.
Steve H
Storm Petrel built by an eighth grader as a school project (makes me
feel humble). I got a note from Fritz a couple of days ago and Tim
(the builder) is working on the keel and sail rig. The boat (sans
those elements) was launched on May 16.
As I remember, my 8th grade shop project was an extremely ugly set of
file draws made from pine and sheet metal. The drawers couldn't be
swapped in the cabinet because my sheetmetal work was so bad nothing
matched.
As for my Storm Petrel, I am finally doing some serious cutting of
ply.
Steve H
> Hi Ernest,
>
> If I were you, I would fax Phil Bolger and get an update and price
> on STORM PETREL. The most boat for 8 sheets of plywood anywhere.
>
>http://209.193.28.16/Boats/StormPetrel/
>
> Cheers, Nels
Great Idea! Will have to look into that
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Well, if you can get away with it, build something small inside the
apartment. If you need something that you can make inside an apartment
without making noise or smells, you might consider a Platt Monfort
design (no, I don't remember the URL) but they have lots of little
pieces and are nothing like the boats we've been discussing. Just to
make things more complicated, don't neglect to look up some Michalak
designs. (www.apci.net/~michalak)
apartment. If you need something that you can make inside an apartment
without making noise or smells, you might consider a Platt Monfort
design (no, I don't remember the URL) but they have lots of little
pieces and are nothing like the boats we've been discussing. Just to
make things more complicated, don't neglect to look up some Michalak
designs. (www.apci.net/~michalak)
>Eadwulf wrote:
>snip But I do have time to study, I have made the mistake of a year lease in an apt.! So I have that much time to get the skinny on the whole 9 yards before I venture into it! I will only be in protected waters so I am not sure how or what would be best for that type of sailing. snip
>
> apartment. If you need something that you can make inside an apartmenthttp://geodesicairoliteboats.com/
> without making noise or smells, you might consider a Platt Monfort
> design (no, I don't remember the URL)
Here it is, he was also selling plans and videos on ebay.
With a little patience in watching you can pick them up cheap there.
Not that they are at all pricey at retail.
Justin
You might want to check out Duckworks 2004 contest winners. All these
boats were designed to be built and be stored in an apartment.
Bryant
boats were designed to be built and be stored in an apartment.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> Well, if you can get away with it, build something small inside the
> apartment. If you need something that you can make inside an
apartment
> without making noise or smells, you might consider a Platt Monfort
> design (no, I don't remember the URL) but they have lots of little
> pieces and are nothing like the boats we've been discussing. Just
to
> make things more complicated, don't neglect to look up some
Michalak
> designs. (www.apci.net/~michalak)
>
> >Eadwulf wrote:
> >snip But I do have time to study, I have made the mistake of a
year lease in an apt.! So I have that much time to get the skinny on
the whole 9 yards before I venture into it! I will only be in
protected waters so I am not sure how or what would be best for that
type of sailing. snip
> >
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Eadwulf <eadwulfgrfldr@y...> wrote:
the masts out of the living quarters, keeps the booms a safe size and
allows for self-steering since the mizzen functions as an air rudder,
and steadying sail, as well as keeping the bow into the wind when the
main is lowered or raised. The sail/sprit boom is self vanging and
high enough to not crack your head when tacking. The unstayed mast is
simple to raise and lower for trailering and is tends to bend and
spill wind when sudden gusts hit.
There are no jibs to tend or change and no need to go forward to make
adjustments, or sail changes. Only a few strings to handle and no
need for multi-purchase sheets, fore-stays running backstays Yadda
yadda.
Those are just some of the advantages of a cat/yawl rig.
Cheers, Nels
>this dude
> Now that's food for thought! Thanx a bunch! I will try to talk with
>Forgot to mention the advantages of the split sail rig! This keeps
the masts out of the living quarters, keeps the booms a safe size and
allows for self-steering since the mizzen functions as an air rudder,
and steadying sail, as well as keeping the bow into the wind when the
main is lowered or raised. The sail/sprit boom is self vanging and
high enough to not crack your head when tacking. The unstayed mast is
simple to raise and lower for trailering and is tends to bend and
spill wind when sudden gusts hit.
There are no jibs to tend or change and no need to go forward to make
adjustments, or sail changes. Only a few strings to handle and no
need for multi-purchase sheets, fore-stays running backstays Yadda
yadda.
Those are just some of the advantages of a cat/yawl rig.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Eadwulf <eadwulfgrfldr@y...> wrote:
designed for a larger, and older person. The square cross-sections
give the largest interior space and load carrying capacity, available
for a given exterior size. Much more stable when walking around on
deck, then a mulit-chined hull and the bunk flats are a good size.
They have a surprising amount of USABLE interior space. And the free,
draining ends keep the mud and oil out of the crew area.
Cheers, Nels
>this dude
> Now that's food for thought! Thanx a bunch! I will try to talk with
>If you are a large framed person, the MICRO series were specifically
designed for a larger, and older person. The square cross-sections
give the largest interior space and load carrying capacity, available
for a given exterior size. Much more stable when walking around on
deck, then a mulit-chined hull and the bunk flats are a good size.
They have a surprising amount of USABLE interior space. And the free,
draining ends keep the mud and oil out of the crew area.
Cheers, Nels
Now that's food for thought! Thanx a bunch! I will try to talk with this dude
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mmmmmm Now more ideas pop into my already crowded little mind! Thanx
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thanx I'll give it look-see! The only reason I want more head room is I am 6' and think I would becopme quite stiff in the cabin!
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No I do not take it wrong! How could I? It sounds as if there are alot of people who feel the same! And to tell you the truth I am leaning that way myself! But I have this thing about knowing and trusting what I put my life in the hands of! I used to race motorcycles, my first bike was one that I built from a basket case! And found sponsorship after wards because of my obsession with doing it myself! I feel as if I have to do it the same way now! Who knows maybe I will bend and go the other way! After all I do live in an apartment at this time so buying and fixing might just be the thing .....for now!
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No I do not take it wrong! How could I? It sounds as if there are alot of people who feeel the same! And to tell you the truth I am leaning that way myself! But I have this thing about knowing and trusting what I put my life in the hands of! I used to race motorcycles, my first bike was one that I built from a basket case! And found sponsership afterwards because of my obcession with doing it myself! No wI fell as if I have to do it the same way now! Who knows maybe I will bend and go the other way! After all I do live in an apartment at this time so buying and fixing might just be the thing .....for now!
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Point well taken! That is the reason I posted! To get feedback. I will take all the advise, info that I can get! Now the thought of the weight and stability lose had never come to mind! So see I do need all the help I can get! But I do have time to study, I have made the mistake of a year lease in an apt.! So I have that much time to get the skinny on the whole 9 yards before I venture into it! I will only be in protected waters so I am not sure how or what would be best for that type of sailing. The weekender has a charm about it that I like. And you are right the designers thought of just about everything I am thinking now and dismissed it, I will do some dismissing of my own along the way! Thanx for the eyeopener!
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Thanx I'll ck em out
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Thanx! Nice looking boat! But is a yawl rig easy to handle?
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looking at that! Looks like the plans are harder to read than the boats are to build! Thanx
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eadwulf Grefaldr" > I am leaning
towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
Here is a link to website with some commentary on a WEEKENDER. You
might want to contact this person and get their thoughts.
http://www.timtone.com/tt/ttphotos/PhotosSailing.html
From what I have been lead to understand from his comments and others
as well, it is not a particularly good design, even though it really
looks "salty" (Whatever that means:-)
If I were you, I would fax Phil Bolger and get an update and price on
STORM PETREL. The most boat for 8 sheets of plywood anywhere.
http://209.193.28.16/Boats/StormPetrel/
Cheers, Nels
towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
> project page. To me it seems to be a good first boat. Big euff toboatbuilder
> saill around the lake and small enuff for the novice (me)
> to tackle.Hi Ernest,
Here is a link to website with some commentary on a WEEKENDER. You
might want to contact this person and get their thoughts.
http://www.timtone.com/tt/ttphotos/PhotosSailing.html
From what I have been lead to understand from his comments and others
as well, it is not a particularly good design, even though it really
looks "salty" (Whatever that means:-)
If I were you, I would fax Phil Bolger and get an update and price on
STORM PETREL. The most boat for 8 sheets of plywood anywhere.
http://209.193.28.16/Boats/StormPetrel/
Cheers, Nels
---"pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
the 'Camper' design 640.
Read the earlier thread on Camper#640 starting at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/25229
The online scans of the design seem to have moved,
but two of the images are at:
http://hallman.org/bolger/640/
I really like this design, being one
of the dozens of Bolger boats I want
to build next. <grin>
A reduced sized cousin of Birdwatcher and Jochems
Schooner it is just the perfect size for trailering
and camping. Looks easy to build too, plus, to my
eye this would be a very pretty boat.
The 18'0" x 5'3" sharpie hull has a 'clam skiff like'
shoe and a Gaff Rig with a slot top cabin and oar
auxilary power.
Notice how the gaff's halyards cleat at the
foot of the mast. ;)
> There several other Bolger boatsAnother Bolger alternative in this size range is
> that could be considered alternates
> to the Weekender.
the 'Camper' design 640.
Read the earlier thread on Camper#640 starting at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/25229
The online scans of the design seem to have moved,
but two of the images are at:
http://hallman.org/bolger/640/
I really like this design, being one
of the dozens of Bolger boats I want
to build next. <grin>
A reduced sized cousin of Birdwatcher and Jochems
Schooner it is just the perfect size for trailering
and camping. Looks easy to build too, plus, to my
eye this would be a very pretty boat.
The 18'0" x 5'3" sharpie hull has a 'clam skiff like'
shoe and a Gaff Rig with a slot top cabin and oar
auxilary power.
Notice how the gaff's halyards cleat at the
foot of the mast. ;)
Hi Ernest -
I have a sugguestion --- I too have been very interested in the Stevenson Projects "Vacationer" project.
I'd like to point out (I've seen them under sail) you don't have to add any daggerboards as they point very well. (Get his video) Also if you want a bit more room order the plans for the "Vacationer", I believe it's a 20 footer as opposed to Weekender's 16' but it's built exactly the same way and can stand pushing the top up a bit for more headroom.
A sugguestion: Get a copy of the book "Sailing America" by Larry Brown- published by Seven seas Press which I believe is part of International Marine Publishing. On page 7 there is a rather small but very good picture of a miniature Skipjack - a sailboat indiginous to Chesapeak Bay. This picture shows a very good way of raising the rear half of the cabin on a boat that looks very much like the Weekender and Vacationer.
Keep us informed of your progress -
Good Luck - Aloha - Jack Spoering
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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I have a sugguestion --- I too have been very interested in the Stevenson Projects "Vacationer" project.
I'd like to point out (I've seen them under sail) you don't have to add any daggerboards as they point very well. (Get his video) Also if you want a bit more room order the plans for the "Vacationer", I believe it's a 20 footer as opposed to Weekender's 16' but it's built exactly the same way and can stand pushing the top up a bit for more headroom.
A sugguestion: Get a copy of the book "Sailing America" by Larry Brown- published by Seven seas Press which I believe is part of International Marine Publishing. On page 7 there is a rather small but very good picture of a miniature Skipjack - a sailboat indiginous to Chesapeak Bay. This picture shows a very good way of raising the rear half of the cabin on a boat that looks very much like the Weekender and Vacationer.
Keep us informed of your progress -
Good Luck - Aloha - Jack Spoering
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Good to hear your enthusiasm.
I hope you won't take the remaining advice the wrong way. It might be
good to expose yourself to sailing in a small way before you charge in
on a big project like the Weekender. Especially if you feel like you
want to make mods, in which case some experience may guide you better.
For instance, daggerboards with no weight in them won't do a thing for
your stability. Your tastes might change after a while, too. Maybe try
to find an old Sunfish or something and get some time on the water?
There are lots of old, cheap glass boats around. Maybe they aren't
really very nice, but it's cheap to try them out, if you can deal with
the extra weight. You may find that you really like building, but that
what you prefer is a rowboat. You might want to start with something
really simple like the Teal (which rows and sails) or Brick I mentioned
before to that other guy. If you're really obsessive you could be on the
water in your own boat in a couple of months, just when the weather is
getting really nice.
I hope you won't take the remaining advice the wrong way. It might be
good to expose yourself to sailing in a small way before you charge in
on a big project like the Weekender. Especially if you feel like you
want to make mods, in which case some experience may guide you better.
For instance, daggerboards with no weight in them won't do a thing for
your stability. Your tastes might change after a while, too. Maybe try
to find an old Sunfish or something and get some time on the water?
There are lots of old, cheap glass boats around. Maybe they aren't
really very nice, but it's cheap to try them out, if you can deal with
the extra weight. You may find that you really like building, but that
what you prefer is a rowboat. You might want to start with something
really simple like the Teal (which rows and sails) or Brick I mentioned
before to that other guy. If you're really obsessive you could be on the
water in your own boat in a couple of months, just when the weather is
getting really nice.
>Eadwulf Grefaldr wrote:
>
> To My Kindred Sprits
> Allow me to introduce my myself. My name is Ernest,I don't
>know when or how to sailing bug hit me, but hit me it did! I have
>never ever been on a sailboat before but as of right now I know more
>about them than I ever thought I would in my life!
> Well on to the point, I am looking to build my own boat,something
>really romantic about that I think! I joined the group in search of
>that "Master Mind" group. And I must say I think I found it! In just
>reading the post over the past week or so I have learned much more
>than I first thought I would! So thanks to All!
> I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
>project page. To me it seems to be a good first boat. Big euff to
>saill around the lake and small enuff for the novice (me) boatbuilder
>to tackle. Not too technical, a small wood bill too! Gaff rigged with
>a keelson, to which I am thinking of double dagger boards placed to
>the outside for added stability.Rasing the cabin top for added
>headroom. What's the point of a cabin you can't sit in! Right? But
>anyway, I know I may be opening a can of worms here! But that is what
>this site is all about! So far the opions have been informed not just
>banter. So i look forward to hearing yours!
> Ernest A.K.A. EadWulf
>
Hi,
A couple of comment is response to your post, and to the Weekender:
Phil Bolger has written, and I think we all agree, that small boat
design is an undemanding occupation in the sense that almost anything
that looks reasonable can be made to work after a fashion. However
the difference in performance between an average design and a
superior design can be considerable. When I hear an admitted beginner
suggesting design changes, I feel like sending out for a new order of
read flags. Any changes that you think up in the first 5 hours of
looking at the plan were probably considered and rejected by the
designer during his 100 or so hours of making the design. I would
tread carefully.
A lot of Weekenders have been built, and there are many satisfied
owner-builders. I'm not one of them, and I'm sure that I've ever
actually seen a Weekender, so perhaps my comments should be taken
with a grain of salt. However, my impression is that the Stevenson
boats were designed primarily to appeal beginners with charming looks
and doable construction. They do not appeal so much to experienced
boaters who have learned that a cabin boat under 20 feet or so
requires pretty extreme compromises. You mentioned headroom. Getting
more headroom reduces stability by raising the weight of the deck
(and the weight of crew on the deck!) and (based on someone else's
comment) raising the rig.
The most popular Bolger offering to prospective Weekender is the
Micro. It has a much better cabin in the same short size. While the
Micro has an undeniable cuteness on its own terms, it does not have
the salty character of the Weekender. I suppose the construction of
the wooden parts of each boat require similar levels of skill, but
Micro has a lead keel. You can see the trade-offs.
There several other Bolger boats that could be considered alternates
to the Weekender. The Catfish Beachcruiser
(http://www.instantboats.com/catfish.htm), the already-mentioned
Chebacco, etc.
Peter
A couple of comment is response to your post, and to the Weekender:
Phil Bolger has written, and I think we all agree, that small boat
design is an undemanding occupation in the sense that almost anything
that looks reasonable can be made to work after a fashion. However
the difference in performance between an average design and a
superior design can be considerable. When I hear an admitted beginner
suggesting design changes, I feel like sending out for a new order of
read flags. Any changes that you think up in the first 5 hours of
looking at the plan were probably considered and rejected by the
designer during his 100 or so hours of making the design. I would
tread carefully.
A lot of Weekenders have been built, and there are many satisfied
owner-builders. I'm not one of them, and I'm sure that I've ever
actually seen a Weekender, so perhaps my comments should be taken
with a grain of salt. However, my impression is that the Stevenson
boats were designed primarily to appeal beginners with charming looks
and doable construction. They do not appeal so much to experienced
boaters who have learned that a cabin boat under 20 feet or so
requires pretty extreme compromises. You mentioned headroom. Getting
more headroom reduces stability by raising the weight of the deck
(and the weight of crew on the deck!) and (based on someone else's
comment) raising the rig.
The most popular Bolger offering to prospective Weekender is the
Micro. It has a much better cabin in the same short size. While the
Micro has an undeniable cuteness on its own terms, it does not have
the salty character of the Weekender. I suppose the construction of
the wooden parts of each boat require similar levels of skill, but
Micro has a lead keel. You can see the trade-offs.
There several other Bolger boats that could be considered alternates
to the Weekender. The Catfish Beachcruiser
(http://www.instantboats.com/catfish.htm), the already-mentioned
Chebacco, etc.
Peter
Hello, welcome to the madness. If you are set on a Weekender, there
are two other message boards you should check out for boat-specific
information and advice:
byyb.org and
www.messing-about.com
I've learned a lot reading the posts here as well, so don't go away!
I have not built the Weekender, but I do have the plans and have been
following discussions on the two boards I mentioned for several
years. A number of people have successfully raised the cabin roof on
the Weekender, but there are other modifications that need to be made
when you do - mast step and gooseneck need to be raised as well, for
example. My understanding is that adding a daggerboard will not help
with stability, but may help a little when pointing into the wind.
The original Weekender design had a centerboard, but the designer
eliminated it after builders said the boat pointed OK with out it.
I'm by no means an expert in much of anything, let alone boat
building and sailing, so pass these ideas by the folks on the
Weekender boards and see what they say.
Good luck!
Bill
are two other message boards you should check out for boat-specific
information and advice:
byyb.org and
www.messing-about.com
I've learned a lot reading the posts here as well, so don't go away!
I have not built the Weekender, but I do have the plans and have been
following discussions on the two boards I mentioned for several
years. A number of people have successfully raised the cabin roof on
the Weekender, but there are other modifications that need to be made
when you do - mast step and gooseneck need to be raised as well, for
example. My understanding is that adding a daggerboard will not help
with stability, but may help a little when pointing into the wind.
The original Weekender design had a centerboard, but the designer
eliminated it after builders said the boat pointed OK with out it.
I'm by no means an expert in much of anything, let alone boat
building and sailing, so pass these ideas by the folks on the
Weekender boards and see what they say.
Good luck!
Bill
Don't overlook the Chebacco if you like the weekender. Check out www.chebacco.com and check with some of the builders here. There's a wealth of builder knowledge about the Chebacco right here. (As well that little wheel steering device on the weekender looked gimmicky to me) anyway glad to have you aboard. Sorry about the boatbuilding contagion. There's no known cure.
One morething you might think of building a dinghy first. I built a little Michalak prototype to start and the experince was well worth the effort. Just an example my 8 ft sailing dinghy took about 80 man hours to build. The 20 ft Chebacco has been in work goingon 6 yrs. There's more to the story than just the boat, however boats get logrithmically more expensive and time consuming as they get larger it seems.
Just some ideas
Ed
One morething you might think of building a dinghy first. I built a little Michalak prototype to start and the experince was well worth the effort. Just an example my 8 ft sailing dinghy took about 80 man hours to build. The 20 ft Chebacco has been in work goingon 6 yrs. There's more to the story than just the boat, however boats get logrithmically more expensive and time consuming as they get larger it seems.
Just some ideas
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Eadwulf Grefaldr
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:37 AM
Subject: [bolger] WOW!
To My Kindred Sprits
Allow me to introduce my myself. My name is Ernest,I don't
know when or how to sailing bug hit me, but hit me it did! I have
never ever been on a sailboat before but as of right now I know more
about them than I ever thought I would in my life!
Well on to the point, I am looking to build my own boat,something
really romantic about that I think! I joined the group in search of
that "Master Mind" group. And I must say I think I found it! In just
reading the post over the past week or so I have learned much more
than I first thought I would! So thanks to All!
I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
project page. To me it seems to be a good first boat. Big euff to
saill around the lake and small enuff for the novice (me) boatbuilder
to tackle. Not too technical, a small wood bill too! Gaff rigged with
a keelson, to which I am thinking of double dagger boards placed to
the outside for added stability.Rasing the cabin top for added
headroom. What's the point of a cabin you can't sit in! Right? But
anyway, I know I may be opening a can of worms here! But that is what
this site is all about! So far the opions have been informed not just
banter. So i look forward to hearing yours!
Ernest A.K.A. EadWulf
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eadwulf Grefaldr" <eadwulfgrfldr@y...>
wrote: "I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
Lake Messabout. Handled well, had been built cabinless and was a very
roomy daysailor.
If this is to be your first boat, I would suggest building a little
tender for her first, to learn the skills (easily learned BTW) and
have the satisfaction of launching before you tackle the larger project.
Suggestion would include the Elegant Punt, Tortise, Nymph or
Fisherman's Skiff, all Bolger designs that would serve well, all
available very reasonably from Dynamite Payson at:
http://www.instantboats.com
I'd reccomend his book, "Build the New Instant Boats" for all it's
photo-journal building explanations, I would had a hard time finishing
my first couple of floatables without it.
Post any questions that come up during the searching and building phase.
Many far more knowledgeable than I lurk about here.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
By all means, go to a Messabout or two and see these fun boats firsthand.
wrote: "I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
> project page."It can be a good first boat. I've sailed on one at last year's Rend
Lake Messabout. Handled well, had been built cabinless and was a very
roomy daysailor.
If this is to be your first boat, I would suggest building a little
tender for her first, to learn the skills (easily learned BTW) and
have the satisfaction of launching before you tackle the larger project.
Suggestion would include the Elegant Punt, Tortise, Nymph or
Fisherman's Skiff, all Bolger designs that would serve well, all
available very reasonably from Dynamite Payson at:
http://www.instantboats.com
I'd reccomend his book, "Build the New Instant Boats" for all it's
photo-journal building explanations, I would had a hard time finishing
my first couple of floatables without it.
Post any questions that come up during the searching and building phase.
Many far more knowledgeable than I lurk about here.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KingstonMessabout/
By all means, go to a Messabout or two and see these fun boats firsthand.
To My Kindred Sprits
Allow me to introduce my myself. My name is Ernest,I don't
know when or how to sailing bug hit me, but hit me it did! I have
never ever been on a sailboat before but as of right now I know more
about them than I ever thought I would in my life!
Well on to the point, I am looking to build my own boat,something
really romantic about that I think! I joined the group in search of
that "Master Mind" group. And I must say I think I found it! In just
reading the post over the past week or so I have learned much more
than I first thought I would! So thanks to All!
I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
project page. To me it seems to be a good first boat. Big euff to
saill around the lake and small enuff for the novice (me) boatbuilder
to tackle. Not too technical, a small wood bill too! Gaff rigged with
a keelson, to which I am thinking of double dagger boards placed to
the outside for added stability.Rasing the cabin top for added
headroom. What's the point of a cabin you can't sit in! Right? But
anyway, I know I may be opening a can of worms here! But that is what
this site is all about! So far the opions have been informed not just
banter. So i look forward to hearing yours!
Ernest A.K.A. EadWulf
Allow me to introduce my myself. My name is Ernest,I don't
know when or how to sailing bug hit me, but hit me it did! I have
never ever been on a sailboat before but as of right now I know more
about them than I ever thought I would in my life!
Well on to the point, I am looking to build my own boat,something
really romantic about that I think! I joined the group in search of
that "Master Mind" group. And I must say I think I found it! In just
reading the post over the past week or so I have learned much more
than I first thought I would! So thanks to All!
I am leaning towards a "weekender" that I found on the Stevson's
project page. To me it seems to be a good first boat. Big euff to
saill around the lake and small enuff for the novice (me) boatbuilder
to tackle. Not too technical, a small wood bill too! Gaff rigged with
a keelson, to which I am thinking of double dagger boards placed to
the outside for added stability.Rasing the cabin top for added
headroom. What's the point of a cabin you can't sit in! Right? But
anyway, I know I may be opening a can of worms here! But that is what
this site is all about! So far the opions have been informed not just
banter. So i look forward to hearing yours!
Ernest A.K.A. EadWulf