Re: okoume or fir?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
with MDO. MY
wind,on a lee-shore,with any empty gas tank and down to your last
beer.In the mean time,take full advantage of Olympics customer
satisfaction and return the questionable panel toute suite and demand
satisfaction.
Now that I think about it,go directly to the retailer who sold it to
you.There is no excuse for accepting a flawed panel Jason,especially
when it will be for a vehicle intended to carry you safely over
water:-) The last thing an owner/builder needs is to have his every
waking thought occupied with doubts about a panels integrity.You
worked hard to earn your money,they should work just as hard to get
it from you:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been known to strike terror in sales clerks and
department managers alike when less then basic service is
rendered,especially AFTER they have my money oooooooooo those flee
bitten varmits.......just about makes my blood boil!Thank God for
cold beer,a known remedy for moments when things get a bit too hot
under my collar and/or other places................
wrote:
with MDO. MY
> one complaint is one of the 13 sheets i ordered has a lump ofSave the hope for when you are out sailing your Micro,in a rising
> overlay that didn't bond properly during manufacture. I hope to God
> the rest of the laminate stays put.....only time will tell.
> JAson
wind,on a lee-shore,with any empty gas tank and down to your last
beer.In the mean time,take full advantage of Olympics customer
satisfaction and return the questionable panel toute suite and demand
satisfaction.
Now that I think about it,go directly to the retailer who sold it to
you.There is no excuse for accepting a flawed panel Jason,especially
when it will be for a vehicle intended to carry you safely over
water:-) The last thing an owner/builder needs is to have his every
waking thought occupied with doubts about a panels integrity.You
worked hard to earn your money,they should work just as hard to get
it from you:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been known to strike terror in sales clerks and
department managers alike when less then basic service is
rendered,especially AFTER they have my money oooooooooo those flee
bitten varmits.......just about makes my blood boil!Thank God for
cold beer,a known remedy for moments when things get a bit too hot
under my collar and/or other places................
That's useful information, and yes, I plan to get my wood from West
Wind. I have heard good things about them, and their prices are
good.
My immediate project is a rowing skiff, but I am planning a larger
project over the next couple of years, and the bulk of my research
is for that.
Since I plan on doing very little sanding directly on the wood for
the rowing boat (I will be glassing it) I am inclined to go with the
6566 Meranti. I plan on finishing the outsides bright, and the
interior with paint. The bottom will have bottom paint - or possibly
not, if I decide to keep it out of the water most of the time.
Decisions, decisions!
Thanks for the input!
Pierre
Wind. I have heard good things about them, and their prices are
good.
My immediate project is a rowing skiff, but I am planning a larger
project over the next couple of years, and the bulk of my research
is for that.
Since I plan on doing very little sanding directly on the wood for
the rowing boat (I will be glassing it) I am inclined to go with the
6566 Meranti. I plan on finishing the outsides bright, and the
interior with paint. The bottom will have bottom paint - or possibly
not, if I decide to keep it out of the water most of the time.
Decisions, decisions!
Thanks for the input!
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn and Derek" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> Hi Pierre
>
> For what it's worth, the 1088 and 6566 [Meranti] I bought here in
BC were
> visually identical [apart from the stamps :) ] They've passed all
the abuse
> tests I threw at them and were both a pleasure to work with. Of
course I may
> just have been lucky....
>
> It's a little while since I went ply-shopping, and your marine fir
quote
> sounds good. The marine fir I've looked at has been as pricey or
more so
> than the tropical woods, and clearly of lower quality. Given where
the trees
> grow, I find this more than a little annoying.
>
> If at all possible, go and have a look at the stacks. Where are
you ordering
> from, Westwind?
>
> cheers
> Derek
Hi Pierre
For what it's worth, the 1088 and 6566 [Meranti] I bought here in BC were
visually identical [apart from the stamps :) ] They've passed all the abuse
tests I threw at them and were both a pleasure to work with. Of course I may
just have been lucky....
It's a little while since I went ply-shopping, and your marine fir quote
sounds good. The marine fir I've looked at has been as pricey or more so
than the tropical woods, and clearly of lower quality. Given where the trees
grow, I find this more than a little annoying.
If at all possible, go and have a look at the stacks. Where are you ordering
from, Westwind?
cheers
Derek
For what it's worth, the 1088 and 6566 [Meranti] I bought here in BC were
visually identical [apart from the stamps :) ] They've passed all the abuse
tests I threw at them and were both a pleasure to work with. Of course I may
just have been lucky....
It's a little while since I went ply-shopping, and your marine fir quote
sounds good. The marine fir I've looked at has been as pricey or more so
than the tropical woods, and clearly of lower quality. Given where the trees
grow, I find this more than a little annoying.
If at all possible, go and have a look at the stacks. Where are you ordering
from, Westwind?
cheers
Derek
1088 has 1.5mm face veneers, 6566 has 1 mm face veneers. Otherwise I
am led to believe that there is little difference. You can sand
through 1 mm veneers very fast. If weight is not a factor consider
Meranti (1088 or 6566). Check Noahs Marine Supply to peek at samples
of ply. If you are going to finish bright and keep it up faithfully
then Okoume has a much better appearance but at a premium price. I am
going to go with MDO for my current project. If you don't use MDO,
consider Fir plywood for bottoms, Meranti for sides, and Okoume for
bright finished decks or Meranti for painted decks.
Bob Chamberland -
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote:
am led to believe that there is little difference. You can sand
through 1 mm veneers very fast. If weight is not a factor consider
Meranti (1088 or 6566). Check Noahs Marine Supply to peek at samples
of ply. If you are going to finish bright and keep it up faithfully
then Okoume has a much better appearance but at a premium price. I am
going to go with MDO for my current project. If you don't use MDO,
consider Fir plywood for bottoms, Meranti for sides, and Okoume for
bright finished decks or Meranti for painted decks.
Bob Chamberland -
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have opinions of BS1088 versus BS 6566 standard? The
> thing about the good quality okoume is the weight saving.
>
> Are there any other virtues?
>
> THanks.
>
> Pierre
>
Hi Pierre,
Contact the Western Rep. here:
http://www.simpson-plywood.com/company/contact_sales.php
He (Marc) will tell you where the closest suppier is. Olympic is the
largest manufacturer of crezon mdo and is located in Sheldon WA USA.
This is the stuff that all the big overhead highway signs are made
from and is what Jason is using.
All plywood prices have sky-rocketed in that past 6 months so be
prepared to shop around. But MDO is probably the best for the price.
Cheers, Nels
Contact the Western Rep. here:
http://www.simpson-plywood.com/company/contact_sales.php
He (Marc) will tell you where the closest suppier is. Olympic is the
largest manufacturer of crezon mdo and is located in Sheldon WA USA.
This is the stuff that all the big overhead highway signs are made
from and is what Jason is using.
All plywood prices have sky-rocketed in that past 6 months so be
prepared to shop around. But MDO is probably the best for the price.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I actually haven't looked into MDO prices here
> (British Columbia, Canada), although I know it is available. Marine
> Fir here is reasonably priced (about $62 CAN or about $45 US for
1/2
> inch).
>
> Does anyone have opinions of BS1088 versus BS 6566 standard? The
> thing about the good quality okoume is the weight saving.
>
> Are there any other virtues?
>
> THanks.
>
> Pierre
>
>
Thanks for the info. I actually haven't looked into MDO prices here
(British Columbia, Canada), although I know it is available. Marine
Fir here is reasonably priced (about $62 CAN or about $45 US for 1/2
inch).
Does anyone have opinions of BS1088 versus BS 6566 standard? The
thing about the good quality okoume is the weight saving.
Are there any other virtues?
THanks.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
(British Columbia, Canada), although I know it is available. Marine
Fir here is reasonably priced (about $62 CAN or about $45 US for 1/2
inch).
Does anyone have opinions of BS1088 versus BS 6566 standard? The
thing about the good quality okoume is the weight saving.
Are there any other virtues?
THanks.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> I'll chime in on the MDO topic. I chose two sided "signal" MDOfrom
> olympic to build my micro navigator. This stuff was the top nochinto.
> quality MDO though much less than okume, but much more than marine
> fir. I am only planing on glass below the water line and epoxy
> encapsulation everywhere. I was woried about checking so i decided
> against the fir. The okume just didn't seem worth the expense
> considering i can barely build a bolger brick without making a
> mistake. For example i cut one side of my stern transom at a 15
> degree bevel for about 4 inches before i caught on that it was
> reversed.....had to spend an hour filling that chunk back in and
> then cutting it right. The MDO has some super smooth faces and i
> have only "seen" one dime size void that i squirted some epoxy
> I believe it is a good happy medium between the two other grades.been
> That said i would'nt have trusted it except Lestat a micro has
> on the water 10 years with no troubles and it was build with MDO.MY
> one complaint is one of the 13 sheets i ordered has a lump ofGod
> overlay that didn't bond properly during manufacture. I hope to
> the rest of the laminate stays put.....only time will tell.
> JAson
I'll chime in on the MDO topic. I chose two sided "signal" MDO from
olympic to build my micro navigator. This stuff was the top noch
quality MDO though much less than okume, but much more than marine
fir. I am only planing on glass below the water line and epoxy
encapsulation everywhere. I was woried about checking so i decided
against the fir. The okume just didn't seem worth the expense
considering i can barely build a bolger brick without making a
mistake. For example i cut one side of my stern transom at a 15
degree bevel for about 4 inches before i caught on that it was
reversed.....had to spend an hour filling that chunk back in and
then cutting it right. The MDO has some super smooth faces and i
have only "seen" one dime size void that i squirted some epoxy into.
I believe it is a good happy medium between the two other grades.
That said i would'nt have trusted it except Lestat a micro has been
on the water 10 years with no troubles and it was build with MDO. MY
one complaint is one of the 13 sheets i ordered has a lump of
overlay that didn't bond properly during manufacture. I hope to God
the rest of the laminate stays put.....only time will tell.
JAson
olympic to build my micro navigator. This stuff was the top noch
quality MDO though much less than okume, but much more than marine
fir. I am only planing on glass below the water line and epoxy
encapsulation everywhere. I was woried about checking so i decided
against the fir. The okume just didn't seem worth the expense
considering i can barely build a bolger brick without making a
mistake. For example i cut one side of my stern transom at a 15
degree bevel for about 4 inches before i caught on that it was
reversed.....had to spend an hour filling that chunk back in and
then cutting it right. The MDO has some super smooth faces and i
have only "seen" one dime size void that i squirted some epoxy into.
I believe it is a good happy medium between the two other grades.
That said i would'nt have trusted it except Lestat a micro has been
on the water 10 years with no troubles and it was build with MDO. MY
one complaint is one of the 13 sheets i ordered has a lump of
overlay that didn't bond properly during manufacture. I hope to God
the rest of the laminate stays put.....only time will tell.
JAson
Since I am new on the board, I did miss it, although I have read
about MDO. I welcome comments on its merits also... or websites that
have discussions. I have a few websites, and they contribute very
effectively to the confusion.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
wrote:
about MDO. I welcome comments on its merits also... or websites that
have discussions. I have a few websites, and they contribute very
effectively to the confusion.
Pierre
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote:work
> > Amid the confusion of opinions about plywood out there, I am
> > detecting some conclusions I seem to be able draw:
> >
> > If one is going to glass and epoxy the plywood, then fir will
> > very well.good
> >
> > If one is not going to glass it, then one is really taking one's
> > chances, regardless of what type of ply one chooses, although
> > quality okoume seems to be the best.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Pierre
>
>
> What? Don't tell me you missed the Great MDO Discussion.......:-)
>
> Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <myvoj@y...> wrote:
Peter Lenihan
> Amid the confusion of opinions about plywood out there, I amWhat? Don't tell me you missed the Great MDO Discussion.......:-)
> detecting some conclusions I seem to be able draw:
>
> If one is going to glass and epoxy the plywood, then fir will work
> very well.
>
> If one is not going to glass it, then one is really taking one's
> chances, regardless of what type of ply one chooses, although good
> quality okoume seems to be the best.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Pierre
Peter Lenihan
Amid the confusion of opinions about plywood out there, I am
detecting some conclusions I seem to be able draw:
If one is going to glass and epoxy the plywood, then fir will work
very well.
If one is not going to glass it, then one is really taking one's
chances, regardless of what type of ply one chooses, although good
quality okoume seems to be the best.
Any comments?
Pierre
detecting some conclusions I seem to be able draw:
If one is going to glass and epoxy the plywood, then fir will work
very well.
If one is not going to glass it, then one is really taking one's
chances, regardless of what type of ply one chooses, although good
quality okoume seems to be the best.
Any comments?
Pierre