Re: Micro (Roger KEyes) Plywood Dodger for Offshore Sailing

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:

He says that the bottom (foot) of the
> main might just touch the top of the doghouse during a tack, but as
> this doesnt happen a lot its nothing to worry about!! He has a
> yuloh (hope thats how you spell it. As I mentioned he doesn't
> believe in motors.
>
> He does venture out into the strip of "ocean" on his way to a place
> on Eyre Peninsula (Port Lincoln) and those waters receive the full
> brunt of southern ocean winds.
>
Wow! So he goes that far out! I would think that qualifies as "off
shore cruising" - in my book. Nice to hear about the yuloh as well. I
bet Jason will like to find out more about that - as he has built one
for his MICRO.

I find it really exciting to hear what some of the Bolgerados are
doing in my favorite small boat.

Thanks, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984"
<graeme19121984@y...> wrote:
> Graeme,

I think he has a forward hatch to facilitate anchor and rig
adjustment.

The tiller is still in the same position but he can reach it from
the aft section of the doghouse. He can lay across this aft section
and "rest" in protection in rough or windy conditions.

I'm not sure fo the deatil of cooking and chart table facilities.

Mr Bolger was consulted on the change and roger built a
cardboard "mockup" of the doghouse. There are no drawings that I
know of

Regards,

John

Great photo John.
> Roger's boat keeps changing. Do you know if Roger's boat has a
> forward hatch or are there side decks along the cabin extension to
> access the bow? Can he steer/sail from inside? Has the extension a
> chart table/galley? Can you cook standing up in there? As you say
Mr
> Bolger was involved do you know if either he or Roger would have
> drawings of this up grade?
> Best Regards
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger
Keyes
> > Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion
> with
> > Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> > expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still
takes
> > his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> > believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to
go.
> >
> > The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Mann
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> Nels,
I asked him if he had re-cut his main to clear the doghouse be he
assured me that he hasn't. His main looks a bit higher than mine so
I'm not sure how it works. He says that the bottom (foot) of the
main might just touch the top of the doghouse during a tack, but as
this doesnt happen a lot its nothing to worry about!! He has a
yuloh (hope thats how you spell it. As I mentioned he doesn't
believe in motors.

He does venture out into the strip of "ocean" on his way to a place
on Eyre Peninsula (Port Lincoln) and those waters receive the full
brunt of southern ocean winds.

I'm not sure of how many Micros have been built in Australia and
sailed regularly. I'm sailing on Sydney Harbour, and I have a
convert who is building another in Sydney. There are a few
scattered around New South Wales and South Australia has a healthy
wooden boat community, and numerous Bolger type boats have been
built and sailed there.

Cheers,

John

If you look closely at the picture you can see the
> > snotter arrangement. Also note the large scuppers in the stern
> > transom - to exhaust water from a wave over the stern or cockpit,
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> >
> Hi John,
>
> The second snotter line really looks like a good idea. I wonder if
he
> raised the sprit location a bit to clear the dog house, or is
there
> enough room without? I know there was a LONG MICRO built with a
> somewhat similar house and he could not use the sprit, which of
> course severely affected the sail shape off the wind.
>
> I had also noticed that Roger had completely closed off the stern,
> where the motor would normally go and put a scupper/ step at each
> corner of the transom. Also looks like there might be a sculling
> attachment at the upper edge of the transom. True innovation!
>
> I looked at the map and see that area around Adelaide is somewhat
> sheltered from the complete openenss of the Southern Ocean (Gulf
St
> Vincent) - still most would prefer I boat larger than MICRO I
would
> imagine.
>
> That area seems to be a hot bed of Bolgerados. Any estimates of
how
> many MICROS there are Down Under?
>
> Thanks for all the information.
>
> Cheers, Nels
Great photo John.
Roger's boat keeps changing. Do you know if Roger's boat has a
forward hatch or are there side decks along the cabin extension to
access the bow? Can he steer/sail from inside? Has the extension a
chart table/galley? Can you cook standing up in there? As you say Mr
Bolger was involved do you know if either he or Roger would have
drawings of this up grade?
Best Regards
Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger Keyes
> Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion
with
> Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still takes
> his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to go.
>
> The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Mann
John,

Thanks for the clarification...now I understand.

Cheers,
Jim

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, findleyjh@e... wrote:
> > Sorry,
>
> My nomenclature may be incorrect. I was referring to the raiased
> cabin which extends aft of the original Micro cabin to the edge of
> the forward part of the cockpit footwell. I thought this may be of
> some interest to prospective Navigator builders as one sailor's
> solution to protection at sea for Micro sailors,
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> Greetings John,
> >
> > This is a nice picture, to be sure. But could you help a
relative
> > newcomer like me understand what you're refering to? I can see
> that
> > the cabin appears to be built prouder than the original plans and
> > there apppears to be some superstructure aft. I'm just not sure
I
> > see the dodger.
> >
> > Confused as usual,
> > Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
If you look closely at the picture you can see the
> snotter arrangement. Also note the large scuppers in the stern
> transom - to exhaust water from a wave over the stern or cockpit,
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
Hi John,

The second snotter line really looks like a good idea. I wonder if he
raised the sprit location a bit to clear the dog house, or is there
enough room without? I know there was a LONG MICRO built with a
somewhat similar house and he could not use the sprit, which of
course severely affected the sail shape off the wind.

I had also noticed that Roger had completely closed off the stern,
where the motor would normally go and put a scupper/ step at each
corner of the transom. Also looks like there might be a sculling
attachment at the upper edge of the transom. True innovation!

I looked at the map and see that area around Adelaide is somewhat
sheltered from the complete openenss of the Southern Ocean (Gulf St
Vincent) - still most would prefer I boat larger than MICRO I would
imagine.

That area seems to be a hot bed of Bolgerados. Any estimates of how
many MICROS there are Down Under?

Thanks for all the information.

Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...>
wrote:
> > > Nels,

The main modification to the rig is to allow ease of reefing whilst
at sea. Roger uses one mechanical block for the mainsheet but the
halyard and snotter lines all pass through blocks of wood through
which holes have been bored. Roger's philosophy is that the less
moving parts a boat has the less is the chance for something to
jam. He has two snotter lines running through a thimble at the
mast. When he needs to reef, the releases the main snotter and
after re-adjusting the clew at the end of the boom, he pulls on the
second snotter line which is attched to thumb cleats at the
appropriate distance further aft on the sprit boom. I have rigged
this on my boat and it works, but doesn't necessarily give good
purchase. If you look closely at the picture you can see the
snotter arrangement. Also note the large scuppers in the stern
transom - to exhaust water from a wave over the stern or cockpit,

Cheers,

John


You'll find it in the photo section of this group under the
> > heading of the subject of this posting,
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> This looks to me like a completely enclosed small doghouse with a
> sliding hatch on the top and a companionway? Also looks like there
is
> a foredeck hatch as well!
>
> Also I am curious about rig mods and if there is a remote steering
> station?
>
> Any info on these John?
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> > Nels,

Goto a map of Australia. Find the state of south Australia. Find
the capital (Adelaide). There are three peninsulas the Fleurieux
Peninsula, York Peninsula and Eyers Peninsula and a largish Island
named Kangaroo. Roger sails right across these waters stopping at
the many coastal towns and ports along the way. My uinderstanding
is that his trips can be 2 - 3 weeks at a time. I asked him if his
mainsail has been recut to clear the cabin but he informed me that
it has not,

Cheers,

John

Greetings,
> >
> > I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger
Keyes
> > Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion
with
> > Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> > expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still
takes
> > his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> > believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to
go.
> >
> > The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Mann
>
> Hi John,
>
> Any chance of getting any further information on the exploits of
> Paloma Blanca? I know Roger has taken her offshore on the Southern
> Ocean. I was wondering how far offshore and/or the length of any
of
> his voyages? Would love to hear anything at all actually!
>
> Here is a link to what the boat looked like before the dodger
install.
>
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/keyes.htm
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, findleyjh@e... wrote:
> Sorry,

My nomenclature may be incorrect. I was referring to the raiased
cabin which extends aft of the original Micro cabin to the edge of
the forward part of the cockpit footwell. I thought this may be of
some interest to prospective Navigator builders as one sailor's
solution to protection at sea for Micro sailors,

Cheers,

John

Greetings John,
>
> This is a nice picture, to be sure. But could you help a relative
> newcomer like me understand what you're refering to? I can see
that
> the cabin appears to be built prouder than the original plans and
> there apppears to be some superstructure aft. I'm just not sure I
> see the dodger.
>
> Confused as usual,
> Jim
Hi,I cant find pictures, Are you sure they are in this group?
Dick

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger Keyes
> Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion with
> Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still takes
> his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to go.
>
> The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Mann
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > You'll find it in the photo section of this group under the
> heading of the subject of this posting,
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
This looks to me like a completely enclosed small doghouse with a
sliding hatch on the top and a companionway? Also looks like there is
a foredeck hatch as well!

Also I am curious about rig mods and if there is a remote steering
station?

Any info on these John?

Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> You'll find it in the photo section of this group under the
heading of the subject of this posting,

Cheers,

John


Which group would that be under?
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mannthree" <johnmann@i...>
> > I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger
Keyes
> > Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion
with
> > Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> > expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still
takes
> > his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> > believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to
go.
> >
> > The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger Keyes
> Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion with
> Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still takes
> his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to go.
>
> The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Mann

Hi John,

Any chance of getting any further information on the exploits of
Paloma Blanca? I know Roger has taken her offshore on the Southern
Ocean. I was wondering how far offshore and/or the length of any of
his voyages? Would love to hear anything at all actually!

Here is a link to what the boat looked like before the dodger install.

http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/keyes.htm

Cheers, Nels
Jim-
A dodger is like a little hood like protrusion off the deck that
offers some protection of the cockpit from spray, wind, rain, sun
and etc. That picture is kind of a wierd looking example because of
the small window and square look to it......alot of boats will have
a canvas doger on a ss frame that you can errect quickly if the
weather turns foul. Where a pilot house would have a sealed aft end
with a hatch or door. A dodger is open to the elements on the aft
end.
There are better photo examples out there somewhere maybe someone
knows of a good one.
Jason
Greetings John,

This is a nice picture, to be sure. But could you help a relative
newcomer like me understand what you're refering to? I can see that
the cabin appears to be built prouder than the original plans and
there apppears to be some superstructure aft. I'm just not sure I
see the dodger.

Confused as usual,
Jim
Which group would that be under?

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "mannthree" <johnmann@...>
> I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger Keyes
> Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion with
> Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
> expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still takes
> his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
> believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to go.
>
> The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.
Greetings,

I have just placed a picture in the photos section of Roger Keyes
Micro with a plywood dodger he designed )after some discussion with
Bolger) to give hime more protection for his offshore sailing
expeditions. Roger is in his late 60's (at least) and still takes
his Micro out into the waters of South Australia. He doesn't
believe in motors and relies on sail to get wherever he has to go.

The photo is named as per the subject of this posting.

Regards,

John Mann