Re: Filling abilities of epoxy?
A 1/4" gap is the recomended gap for fitting a bulkhead. No kidding,
that's straight from the Gnomes of Bay City. It works two ways. If
the bulkhead is a mold as is the case on a strip plank boat, or some
tack and tape, then a 1/4" eror is a problem if it means the planking
will be wonky. But when it comes to fitting bulkheads and filleting
them, 1/4" is a recomemded gap. Your results will be stronger than
if you fit it perfectly and flued it. If i got a bulkhead that fit
perfectly I would open it up and provide a gap. This isn't the right
strategy with all bulkheads, and it "wastes" glue, but it perfectly
sound boatbuilding practice. Since most bulkheads on bolger boats
have framing nailed to them, it's doubly wastefull, but it will
surely work.
that's straight from the Gnomes of Bay City. It works two ways. If
the bulkhead is a mold as is the case on a strip plank boat, or some
tack and tape, then a 1/4" eror is a problem if it means the planking
will be wonky. But when it comes to fitting bulkheads and filleting
them, 1/4" is a recomemded gap. Your results will be stronger than
if you fit it perfectly and flued it. If i got a bulkhead that fit
perfectly I would open it up and provide a gap. This isn't the right
strategy with all bulkheads, and it "wastes" glue, but it perfectly
sound boatbuilding practice. Since most bulkheads on bolger boats
have framing nailed to them, it's doubly wastefull, but it will
surely work.
>When i misjudged that bevel i figured the epoxy wouldWhen I first started building I had more confidence in my abilities
>save me and if i recut it the damn thing would be lower than i
>wanted
with thickened epoxy than with a saw. As a consequence a lot of my
joinery was merely good enough. But what I found out is that in the
long run, it's much faster and easier to take the time to measure and
cut as accurately as I can (which ain't much!) Filling and faring
*always* takes at least three times as much effort as I think it's
going to take.
YIBB,
David
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OK, thanks guys, i have been repramanded and will do better.
Peter, I think the problem is the lack of beer see i'm "supposed" to
be working on my thesis so i'm riding around in the wagon so as i
can remain mentaly......shall we say less dull.
The thing is i sit down in front of the computer to get some work
done......i wind up here on this group and then i hear the siren's
(AKA micro's) sweet song and in a burst of enthusiasm run to the
basement so as i can commence to cut myself, sand the skin off my
forearm, slather my body in epoxy and get gorilla glue in my leg
hair and on my dog.
I feel i have done good work to date considering i have no idea what
i'm doing. When i misjudged that bevel i figured the epoxy would
save me and if i recut it the damn thing would be lower than i
wanted and would have to redraw and recalculate the 237 lines i have
drawn on the inside of the boat for bunk/ben framing. I have to say
one sweet thing about the MDO is you can write on it like notebook
paper and the marks erase just as easily.
Thanks again.
Jason
Peter, I think the problem is the lack of beer see i'm "supposed" to
be working on my thesis so i'm riding around in the wagon so as i
can remain mentaly......shall we say less dull.
The thing is i sit down in front of the computer to get some work
done......i wind up here on this group and then i hear the siren's
(AKA micro's) sweet song and in a burst of enthusiasm run to the
basement so as i can commence to cut myself, sand the skin off my
forearm, slather my body in epoxy and get gorilla glue in my leg
hair and on my dog.
I feel i have done good work to date considering i have no idea what
i'm doing. When i misjudged that bevel i figured the epoxy would
save me and if i recut it the damn thing would be lower than i
wanted and would have to redraw and recalculate the 237 lines i have
drawn on the inside of the boat for bunk/ben framing. I have to say
one sweet thing about the MDO is you can write on it like notebook
paper and the marks erase just as easily.
Thanks again.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
launched by a certain date?
Do try not to rush things just because they look so simple
and"straight" forward ;-) A ruler and tape measure coupled with the
plans should make for relaxed integration of the steps and procedures
called for in the building of the boat,even if it does look like a
box. I don't know if beer makes you excitable or mellow but perhaps
you could find some method to induce a state of calm,studied
reflection as you progress through the building stages.Try
visualizing the entire process in your mind.Focus on each task at
hand and aim high! Epoxy can only go so far in covering your a** and
should not be used as an excuse for shoddy work.Be proud of your
workmanship,you excitable pup :-)
The Micro is like a giant 3D puzzle,only a finite number of pieces
and so many ways for it to go together right.The time taken now to
get it as right as possible will pay off big time with years of
trouble free pleasure awaiting you after your launch day.
So,do as David Ryan suggests with a thickened epoxy mix for this
booboo but be more careful throughout the rest of the building steps
and enjoy more free time to admire your craftmanship instead of
spending it correcting things ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter"where the hell's a cold beer when ya wants one" Lenihan,only
trying to encourage the best in Jason,from along the shores of the
flowing St.Lawrence...........
wrote:
> So i goofed......oh well. My 3rd frame up from the stern...the onei
> that provides stowage bins and a place for the head behind and
> mounting for the bunk framing forward was beveled wrong....i admit
> did'nt measure, i just eyeballed and cutJason,have you wagered next years tuition on getting this boat
launched by a certain date?
Do try not to rush things just because they look so simple
and"straight" forward ;-) A ruler and tape measure coupled with the
plans should make for relaxed integration of the steps and procedures
called for in the building of the boat,even if it does look like a
box. I don't know if beer makes you excitable or mellow but perhaps
you could find some method to induce a state of calm,studied
reflection as you progress through the building stages.Try
visualizing the entire process in your mind.Focus on each task at
hand and aim high! Epoxy can only go so far in covering your a** and
should not be used as an excuse for shoddy work.Be proud of your
workmanship,you excitable pup :-)
The Micro is like a giant 3D puzzle,only a finite number of pieces
and so many ways for it to go together right.The time taken now to
get it as right as possible will pay off big time with years of
trouble free pleasure awaiting you after your launch day.
So,do as David Ryan suggests with a thickened epoxy mix for this
booboo but be more careful throughout the rest of the building steps
and enjoy more free time to admire your craftmanship instead of
spending it correcting things ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter"where the hell's a cold beer when ya wants one" Lenihan,only
trying to encourage the best in Jason,from along the shores of the
flowing St.Lawrence...........
Fill, fare and paint. No one will be the wiser.
Next time measure.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Next time measure.
YIBB,
David
>So i goofed......oh well. My 3rd frame up from the stern...the one--
>that provides stowage bins and a place for the head behind and
>mounting for the bunk framing forward was beveled wrong....i admit i
>did'nt measure, i just eyeballed and cut. I just stuck my hand
>pretty good and was bleeding so i rushed the job so i could clean
>up .....always racing the goo before it kicks it seems. It's in
>place nice and solid on the sides and basically hovering in the
>middle. It just kisses on the forward end and has a 1/4 inch gap on
>the stern face. What do you know i made it self bailing! Serously
>can i fillet it solid with some super thickened epoxy or should i
>cut it out and do it over?
>Jason
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So i goofed......oh well. My 3rd frame up from the stern...the one
that provides stowage bins and a place for the head behind and
mounting for the bunk framing forward was beveled wrong....i admit i
did'nt measure, i just eyeballed and cut. I just stuck my hand
pretty good and was bleeding so i rushed the job so i could clean
up .....always racing the goo before it kicks it seems. It's in
place nice and solid on the sides and basically hovering in the
middle. It just kisses on the forward end and has a 1/4 inch gap on
the stern face. What do you know i made it self bailing! Serously
can i fillet it solid with some super thickened epoxy or should i
cut it out and do it over?
Jason
that provides stowage bins and a place for the head behind and
mounting for the bunk framing forward was beveled wrong....i admit i
did'nt measure, i just eyeballed and cut. I just stuck my hand
pretty good and was bleeding so i rushed the job so i could clean
up .....always racing the goo before it kicks it seems. It's in
place nice and solid on the sides and basically hovering in the
middle. It just kisses on the forward end and has a 1/4 inch gap on
the stern face. What do you know i made it self bailing! Serously
can i fillet it solid with some super thickened epoxy or should i
cut it out and do it over?
Jason