Re: Navigator modifications.....file uploaded to bolger 4 photos
Hi Jason, I think your sketch looks quite good.
But there will be one practical difficulty ie waterproofing the
sloping front opening window. A sloping window is a heck of a lot
more vulnerable than a vertical one for ingress of water, even when
closed. My vertical one does not leak when closed (on land), but I
know the roof overhang will not keep water out, even if the window
is left only partially open for ventilation.
This opening window is also crucial to Bolgers overall concept, and
should not be fixed, to avoid the problem.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
But there will be one practical difficulty ie waterproofing the
sloping front opening window. A sloping window is a heck of a lot
more vulnerable than a vertical one for ingress of water, even when
closed. My vertical one does not leak when closed (on land), but I
know the roof overhang will not keep water out, even if the window
is left only partially open for ventilation.
This opening window is also crucial to Bolgers overall concept, and
should not be fixed, to avoid the problem.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> I got a week off of work at the end of the semester and i've beenup
> to no good.navigator?
> To date almost everything is just as bolger called for it but i've
> been thinking..........
> Becuse my mast is gianormous i'm definately going for the chebacco
> cruiser tabernacle. I think the micro navigator is about perfect
> except i never have been totally sold on the house shape.
> I'm thinking about putting a chabacco style house on her. I know
> i'll loose a bit of interior space and some reserve bouancy but i
> think there is plenty of both to go around. Besides i should have
> less windage. I know bolger knows best but who would have ever
> though bolger would have changed the original micro to the
>http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kLGqQFTjTCCNJ1p_Bx623CiFRKoedsrVBQcsHCse
> The original:
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
>
> My version:
>
>
>ixAfQdZUkMbWr_KH4Y8GaDdhKyAbYH4VA60Uh5l_JEHom26wYfMtqlrfOGwRFJMXkA/NA
> VIGATOR.bmpIt's
>
> I don't think the hyperlink will work cause it's 3 lines long.
> in bolger4photos......files......navigator.bmp
>
> The file is huge i'll delete it when i get some feedback.
>
> What do you folks think? which looks better?
>
> I should start framing the house by the end of the
> month......someone talk me out of this nonsense ASAP.
>
> Jason "can't follow directions" Stancil
> Nels <arvent@> wrote:Is the 'set' of the boom vang done
> Once the boom vang is "Set" and that could be done
> from the forward hatch.
before or after the raising of the
yard with the halyards?
> ...the pilothouse looks...I actually started to build the cabin
with a forward rake to the front
windows. But as I tried to work
out the angles I discovered that
to avoid a 'twist' in the quarter
windows, I needed to cause the
side windows to be trapezoidal
which I didn't allow enough waste
for in my purchase of polycarbonate.
I discovered that the geometry of
the sloping of windows got complex
real quick. And, I quickly regrouped
and decided to build with vertical
windows all around. The one
compromise I did do was to build
the windows with a slight 'bow'
or curvature to give the lexan
some 'barrel effect' with hopes of
making it more rigid. That proved
to be quite tricky carpentry, plus
I cannot say that it helped control
the Lexan wobble much. [It does
help a little.]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
adjustments, except possibly for stretch - and that could be done
from the forward hatch.
I would agree that the pilothouse looks much better in 3D than shown
on a profile sketch. I think that is because the sketch does not show
the windscreen angles which really break up the boxy appearance that
seems ugly in the sketch.
Personally, although I really like the "looks" of Jason's sketch, I
would stay with the original design as drawn. One thing I have
wondered about was having two sliding hatches overhead - the forward
one sliding back under the rear one. The rear one being a bit larger
and taller. Probably not worth the extra work, but it could prevent
the hatchs from fouling the lines.
Cheers, Nels
> The plans also show a boomOnce the boom vang is "Set" I don't think it requires any further
> vang in the front, but are
> silent as to where it is to
> be fastened. I chose to also
> run it through a forward fairlead.
> [A ninth forward fairlead.]
> But, what PCB intended, for
> the boom vang, I am not sure.
adjustments, except possibly for stretch - and that could be done
from the forward hatch.
I would agree that the pilothouse looks much better in 3D than shown
on a profile sketch. I think that is because the sketch does not show
the windscreen angles which really break up the boxy appearance that
seems ugly in the sketch.
Personally, although I really like the "looks" of Jason's sketch, I
would stay with the original design as drawn. One thing I have
wondered about was having two sliding hatches overhead - the forward
one sliding back under the rear one. The rear one being a bit larger
and taller. Probably not worth the extra work, but it could prevent
the hatchs from fouling the lines.
Cheers, Nels
--- Jason Stancil wrote:
for most of the rigging answers.
The plans name 8 lines running
through fairleads above the front
quarter windows for two halyards,
two topping lifts, and four reefing
lines.
The plans also show a boom
vang in the front, but are
silent as to where it is to
be fastened. I chose to also
run it through a forward fairlead.
[A ninth forward fairlead.]
But, what PCB intended, for
the boom vang, I am not sure.
The sheetlets are all run through
fairleads in the back. The main
sheet and mizzen sheet are also
in the back.
I am presently replacing the lights and
wheel bearings on the trailer I bought.
After than I will work on the sail
and the tiller, and a few other
things. I am also busy with other
things in life, so my launch date
is couple months (or so) away.
> Have you got the rigginYou should study the plans closely
> figured out
> entirely? Do you have a list
> of tackle for the
> rig?......the
> sheetlets and down hauls have
> me a little confused.
> Also you
> mentioned an extra line not
> shown on the plans? What
> is that one for?
for most of the rigging answers.
The plans name 8 lines running
through fairleads above the front
quarter windows for two halyards,
two topping lifts, and four reefing
lines.
The plans also show a boom
vang in the front, but are
silent as to where it is to
be fastened. I chose to also
run it through a forward fairlead.
[A ninth forward fairlead.]
But, what PCB intended, for
the boom vang, I am not sure.
The sheetlets are all run through
fairleads in the back. The main
sheet and mizzen sheet are also
in the back.
I am presently replacing the lights and
wheel bearings on the trailer I bought.
After than I will work on the sail
and the tiller, and a few other
things. I am also busy with other
things in life, so my launch date
is couple months (or so) away.
Bruce-
at 6' 1" i was figuring the only place i would be able to stand is
under the open hatch......i considered ditching the entire cabin
sole for more head room but have rejected this for
stiffness.......without the center bulkhead like in the regular
micro my hull rests at 5' 9.75" inches at the gunnels but is 6' on
the nose at the chines. I've been building with a temp thwart in
place to hold it at 6'. I figure when i get the roof and deck
beams / deck in place it will stay that way without the thwart. I
think the sole beams may help a bit and besides i don't want to look
at the butt straps.
I was wondering about the rigging......do those lines fill up your
entire pilothouse? I should be able to make it work though, it's
only 1.5' loss out of 8' (7' on the inside).
When i get her out of the garage i'll put the rear uprights in place
and mock up a 55 degree sloped front and a 90 degree one and decide.
It's just hard to visualize it. It looks like crap on the plans, but
yours looks nice in the photos. In person the 90 degree front
windows may be just fine and the slant may be goofy.
When are you going to float that thing? I wan't some on the water
photos to fuel my fire! Have you got the riggin figured out
entirely? Do you have a list of tackle for the rig?......the
sheetlets and down hauls have me a little confused. Also you
mentioned an extra line not shown on the plans? What is that one for?
Jason
at 6' 1" i was figuring the only place i would be able to stand is
under the open hatch......i considered ditching the entire cabin
sole for more head room but have rejected this for
stiffness.......without the center bulkhead like in the regular
micro my hull rests at 5' 9.75" inches at the gunnels but is 6' on
the nose at the chines. I've been building with a temp thwart in
place to hold it at 6'. I figure when i get the roof and deck
beams / deck in place it will stay that way without the thwart. I
think the sole beams may help a bit and besides i don't want to look
at the butt straps.
I was wondering about the rigging......do those lines fill up your
entire pilothouse? I should be able to make it work though, it's
only 1.5' loss out of 8' (7' on the inside).
When i get her out of the garage i'll put the rear uprights in place
and mock up a 55 degree sloped front and a 90 degree one and decide.
It's just hard to visualize it. It looks like crap on the plans, but
yours looks nice in the photos. In person the 90 degree front
windows may be just fine and the slant may be goofy.
When are you going to float that thing? I wan't some on the water
photos to fuel my fire! Have you got the riggin figured out
entirely? Do you have a list of tackle for the rig?......the
sheetlets and down hauls have me a little confused. Also you
mentioned an extra line not shown on the plans? What is that one for?
Jason
--- "Jason Stancil" wrote:
before you commit to this cabin
change would be the routing and
storage of the reefing lines,
vang, halyards, and topping lifts.
They need to pass through [nine]
fairleads above the quarter widows
and be stowed somewhere. I stow
them on the part of the ceiling,
[which would be gone in a Chebacco
style cabin]. Routing these lines
aft would start to impede upon the
ceiling space for the 'sail watching'
skylights in the roof above the
berth/seats.
> a chebacco style house on her.One other thing to detail out
before you commit to this cabin
change would be the routing and
storage of the reefing lines,
vang, halyards, and topping lifts.
They need to pass through [nine]
fairleads above the quarter widows
and be stowed somewhere. I stow
them on the part of the ceiling,
[which would be gone in a Chebacco
style cabin]. Routing these lines
aft would start to impede upon the
ceiling space for the 'sail watching'
skylights in the roof above the
berth/seats.
--- Roger Derby wrote:
forward will conflict with the
boom vang.
> you might consider sloping theBe aware that to much overhang
> windscreens forward.
forward will conflict with the
boom vang.
If headroom is an issue and the vertical surfaces don't suit your eye, you
might consider sloping the windscreens forward. PCB doesn't like the look,
but he has put it on a couple of boats; e.g. Quest, design #347 in "30 Odd
Boats."
I kind of like the look and have tried a couple of sketches for the
Chebacco. As yet nothing has gelled and I'm a long way from commiting
sawdust.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
might consider sloping the windscreens forward. PCB doesn't like the look,
but he has put it on a couple of boats; e.g. Quest, design #347 in "30 Odd
Boats."
I kind of like the look and have tried a couple of sketches for the
Chebacco. As yet nothing has gelled and I'm a long way from commiting
sawdust.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruce@...>
> --- "Jason Stancil" wrote:>I know
> > i'll loose a bit of interior space
>
> I agree that the swoop in the forward
> windows looks cool.
>
> Bear in mind that by doing that you
> would forfeit the only place in the
> cabin with enough headroom to stand
> up. There is a small piece fo floor
> there with 5'4" headroom, which is
> just enough for a 6'0" person like
> me to use to stand [head tilted to
> the side] to pull up my pants.
>
> Also, plan out how you will detail
> the forward opening window, such
> that it will be watertight. I found
> that the overhang of the 'Bolger per plan'
> cabin protects the center opening
> window from exposure to rain & leaks.
--- "Jason Stancil" wrote:>I know
windows looks cool.
Bear in mind that by doing that you
would forfeit the only place in the
cabin with enough headroom to stand
up. There is a small piece fo floor
there with 5'4" headroom, which is
just enough for a 6'0" person like
me to use to stand [head tilted to
the side] to pull up my pants.
Also, plan out how you will detail
the forward opening window, such
that it will be watertight. I found
that the overhang of the 'Bolger per plan'
cabin protects the center opening
window from exposure to rain & leaks.
> i'll loose a bit of interior spaceI agree that the swoop in the forward
windows looks cool.
Bear in mind that by doing that you
would forfeit the only place in the
cabin with enough headroom to stand
up. There is a small piece fo floor
there with 5'4" headroom, which is
just enough for a 6'0" person like
me to use to stand [head tilted to
the side] to pull up my pants.
Also, plan out how you will detail
the forward opening window, such
that it will be watertight. I found
that the overhang of the 'Bolger per plan'
cabin protects the center opening
window from exposure to rain & leaks.
I got a week off of work at the end of the semester and i've been up
to no good.
To date almost everything is just as bolger called for it but i've
been thinking..........
Becuse my mast is gianormous i'm definately going for the chebacco
cruiser tabernacle. I think the micro navigator is about perfect
except i never have been totally sold on the house shape.
I'm thinking about putting a chabacco style house on her. I know
i'll loose a bit of interior space and some reserve bouancy but i
think there is plenty of both to go around. Besides i should have
less windage. I know bolger knows best but who would have ever
though bolger would have changed the original micro to the navigator?
The original:
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
My version:
http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kLGqQFTjTCCNJ1p_Bx623CiFRKoedsrVBQcsHCse
ixAfQdZUkMbWr_KH4Y8GaDdhKyAbYH4VA60Uh5l_JEHom26wYfMtqlrfOGwRFJMXkA/NA
VIGATOR.bmp
I don't think the hyperlink will work cause it's 3 lines long. It's
in bolger4photos......files......navigator.bmp
The file is huge i'll delete it when i get some feedback.
What do you folks think? which looks better?
I should start framing the house by the end of the
month......someone talk me out of this nonsense ASAP.
Jason "can't follow directions" Stancil
to no good.
To date almost everything is just as bolger called for it but i've
been thinking..........
Becuse my mast is gianormous i'm definately going for the chebacco
cruiser tabernacle. I think the micro navigator is about perfect
except i never have been totally sold on the house shape.
I'm thinking about putting a chabacco style house on her. I know
i'll loose a bit of interior space and some reserve bouancy but i
think there is plenty of both to go around. Besides i should have
less windage. I know bolger knows best but who would have ever
though bolger would have changed the original micro to the navigator?
The original:
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
My version:
http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kLGqQFTjTCCNJ1p_Bx623CiFRKoedsrVBQcsHCse
ixAfQdZUkMbWr_KH4Y8GaDdhKyAbYH4VA60Uh5l_JEHom26wYfMtqlrfOGwRFJMXkA/NA
VIGATOR.bmp
I don't think the hyperlink will work cause it's 3 lines long. It's
in bolger4photos......files......navigator.bmp
The file is huge i'll delete it when i get some feedback.
What do you folks think? which looks better?
I should start framing the house by the end of the
month......someone talk me out of this nonsense ASAP.
Jason "can't follow directions" Stancil