Re: FASTBRICK
You all have got me scheming up a bolt on stern to my stock Brick dinghy.
But for lifeboats, this one gets an appreciative smile.
http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/squeeze.gif
Mark
Bruce Hallman wrote:
But for lifeboats, this one gets an appreciative smile.
http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/squeeze.gif
Mark
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>pseudospark wrote:
> Also, Fast Brick appears to be the 'outer' of the two nestling
> tenders on the boat Yonder.
>
> The designer, Dave Hulbert, seems to have done a pretty thorough job
> in his design. Seems like the weak spot in the shelter in that the
> ribs are inflatable so hopefully a tube of sealant is also on board.
>
> Sometime when I'm in Portland I've got to check this boat out.
>
> Steve Hu
Filler Brick?
I think that PB&F stated $50 for plans in the MAIB article.
Steve H
I think that PB&F stated $50 for plans in the MAIB article.
Steve H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>
> Mediocre Brick?
>
> Nels, go ahead and fax a price inquiry to PB&F, they will
> be happy to answer your question. I am guessing the
> plans price at $100.
>
> On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:26:06 -0400, Ford and Mary Ann Walton wrote:
> > As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-
range
> > lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht.
Also, Fast Brick appears to be the 'outer' of the two nestling
tenders on the boat Yonder. I recall that the bottom of the
Fastbrick is sandwiched polystryene, for flotation, and for
survival heat insulation.
Plus, the sail rig stows entirely on board, so Fast Brick
would be ready for quick launch and use in an emergency.
The hull shape of Fast Brick is almost identical to that of
Fiddler, [add a cutwater]. Indeed, I have wondered why
not add the Fast Brick-like sailin' rig to Fiddler. Falling
in between Brick and Superbrick, what would she be?
Mediocre Brick?
Nels, go ahead and fax a price inquiry to PB&F, they will
be happy to answer your question. I am guessing the
plans price at $100.
tenders on the boat Yonder. I recall that the bottom of the
Fastbrick is sandwiched polystryene, for flotation, and for
survival heat insulation.
Plus, the sail rig stows entirely on board, so Fast Brick
would be ready for quick launch and use in an emergency.
The hull shape of Fast Brick is almost identical to that of
Fiddler, [add a cutwater]. Indeed, I have wondered why
not add the Fast Brick-like sailin' rig to Fiddler. Falling
in between Brick and Superbrick, what would she be?
Mediocre Brick?
Nels, go ahead and fax a price inquiry to PB&F, they will
be happy to answer your question. I am guessing the
plans price at $100.
On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:26:06 -0400, Ford and Mary Ann Walton wrote:
> As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-range
> lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht.
The designer, Dave Hulbert, seems to have done a pretty thorough job
in his design. Seems like the weak spot in the shelter in that the
ribs are inflatable so hopefully a tube of sealant is also on board.
Sometime when I'm in Portland I've got to check this boat out.
Steve H
in his design. Seems like the weak spot in the shelter in that the
ribs are inflatable so hopefully a tube of sealant is also on board.
Sometime when I'm in Portland I've got to check this boat out.
Steve H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> >
> > For a commercial offering with a similar intent and general
scheme
> > but implemented quite differently check out
> >http://www.portlandpudgy.com
> >
> > Steve H
> >
> Great link Steve,
>
> Obviously a lot of research has gone into PP's design. The sailing
> rig looks quite interesting, as well as the shelter and boarding
> ladder. I wonder how sturdy they are?
>
> This also offers a good price comparsion.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
Obviously a lot of research has gone into PP's design. The sailing
rig looks quite interesting, as well as the shelter and boarding
ladder. I wonder how sturdy they are?
This also offers a good price comparsion.
Cheers, Nels
>Great link Steve,
> For a commercial offering with a similar intent and general scheme
> but implemented quite differently check out
>http://www.portlandpudgy.com
>
> Steve H
>
Obviously a lot of research has gone into PP's design. The sailing
rig looks quite interesting, as well as the shelter and boarding
ladder. I wonder how sturdy they are?
This also offers a good price comparsion.
Cheers, Nels
For a commercial offering with a similar intent and general scheme
but implemented quite differently check out
http://www.portlandpudgy.com
Steve H
but implemented quite differently check out
http://www.portlandpudgy.com
Steve H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ford and Mary Ann Walton
> <waltons@n...> wrote:
> > Nels,
> >
> > As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-
range
> > lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht. It would be unsinkable, hold
> lots of
> > survival gear, and could sail a fairly long distance then motor
to a
> > rescue ship or to a safe landing place on a windward island. It
> would
> > provide more options than drifting around in a raft, hoping to be
> found.
> >
> > Ford Walton
> >
> Thanks Ford,
>
> That explains all those round water-proof hatches then. I think it
> might be the tender designed for le Cabiton - the upgraded AS39
that
> is being built in Quebec.
>
> For some crazy reason I find the design strangley appealing. I am
> trying to visualize what it would look like from different angles
as
> it moves through the water. Bet it would get a few looks eh?
>
> Also as a building exercise prior to tackling a FAST SUPERBRICK:-)
>
> And collecting that booty.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ford and Mary Ann Walton
<waltons@n...> wrote:
That explains all those round water-proof hatches then. I think it
might be the tender designed for le Cabiton - the upgraded AS39 that
is being built in Quebec.
For some crazy reason I find the design strangley appealing. I am
trying to visualize what it would look like from different angles as
it moves through the water. Bet it would get a few looks eh?
Also as a building exercise prior to tackling a FAST SUPERBRICK:-)
And collecting that booty.
Cheers, Nels
<waltons@n...> wrote:
> Nels,lots of
>
> As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-range
> lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht. It would be unsinkable, hold
> survival gear, and could sail a fairly long distance then motor to awould
> rescue ship or to a safe landing place on a windward island. It
> provide more options than drifting around in a raft, hoping to befound.
>Thanks Ford,
> Ford Walton
>
That explains all those round water-proof hatches then. I think it
might be the tender designed for le Cabiton - the upgraded AS39 that
is being built in Quebec.
For some crazy reason I find the design strangley appealing. I am
trying to visualize what it would look like from different angles as
it moves through the water. Bet it would get a few looks eh?
Also as a building exercise prior to tackling a FAST SUPERBRICK:-)
And collecting that booty.
Cheers, Nels
Nels,
As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-range
lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht. It would be unsinkable, hold lots of
survival gear, and could sail a fairly long distance then motor to a
rescue ship or to a safe landing place on a windward island. It would
provide more options than drifting around in a raft, hoping to be found.
Ford Walton
Nels wrote:
As I recall, the original Fastbrick concept was a tender/long-range
lifeboat for an ocean-going yacht. It would be unsinkable, hold lots of
survival gear, and could sail a fairly long distance then motor to a
rescue ship or to a safe landing place on a windward island. It would
provide more options than drifting around in a raft, hoping to be found.
Ford Walton
Nels wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> > Only weirdness I've noticed with side mounted Brick Mast is that
> it's
> > hard to see it luff on starboard tack if you sail leaning against
> the
> > port side and are too lazy to get up. But under most conditions
> this is
> > not much of a problem. Our rudder is on centerline, and Brick motor
> is
> > meant to go on what otherwise would be the bow. I wonder where
> people
> > put the reg. numbers on powered Bricks? I suppose on Fastbrick,
> motor
> > will stay on stern due to different hullform, based on vague memory
> of
> > plans seen once.
>
> There are some sketches in Bolger2 files - not Bolger3 which I think
> I mentioned earlier.
>
> Fastbrick has several modifications, which make it a lot more
> complicated. It has a flat run aft so the motor must be hung on the
> stern. It has the mast step in the bow on the port side and the
> rudder on the starboard transom corner. It has a balanced lug rig
> whereby when sailing downwind, the spars will be mostly inboard and
> it will almost be like a square sail. This seems to offer an
> advantage with having the mast where it is.
>
> It also has a kick-up rudder blade and a "double pivoting" leeboard
> by the looks of things! And then the cutwater - that fairs back into
> a box keel amidships. Considerably more compicated to build, but
> perhaps worthwhile. A lot of carrying capacity, especially if
> stretched to 12 feet OAL! The displacement may be close to 1500
> pounds I guesstimate. But it would also be a much heavier boat,
> demanding a trailer.
>
> I guess there was an article in MAIB in the September 01 2003 issue
> which I never saw. That is why I was curious as to the plans cost.
>
> Cheers, Nels
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Only weirdness I've noticed with side mounted Brick Mast is that it's
hard to see it luff on starboard tack if you sail leaning against the
port side and are too lazy to get up. But under most conditions this is
not much of a problem. Our rudder is on centerline, and Brick motor is
meant to go on what otherwise would be the bow. I wonder where people
put the reg. numbers on powered Bricks? I suppose on Fastbrick, motor
will stay on stern due to different hullform, based on vague memory of
plans seen once.
hard to see it luff on starboard tack if you sail leaning against the
port side and are too lazy to get up. But under most conditions this is
not much of a problem. Our rudder is on centerline, and Brick motor is
meant to go on what otherwise would be the bow. I wonder where people
put the reg. numbers on powered Bricks? I suppose on Fastbrick, motor
will stay on stern due to different hullform, based on vague memory of
plans seen once.
>Jason Stancil wrote:snip
>
>
>>> What do you think of the corner mounted mast and rudder?
>>
>>
>I've built 2 bricks and both times due to my inability to follow
>directions i centered the mast. I can only guess bolger with more
>sense than me put the rudder opposite the mast to counter any
>weirdness it may produce and so you can hang a decent size outboard
>on the centerline were it belongs.
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
I mentioned earlier.
Fastbrick has several modifications, which make it a lot more
complicated. It has a flat run aft so the motor must be hung on the
stern. It has the mast step in the bow on the port side and the
rudder on the starboard transom corner. It has a balanced lug rig
whereby when sailing downwind, the spars will be mostly inboard and
it will almost be like a square sail. This seems to offer an
advantage with having the mast where it is.
It also has a kick-up rudder blade and a "double pivoting" leeboard
by the looks of things! And then the cutwater - that fairs back into
a box keel amidships. Considerably more compicated to build, but
perhaps worthwhile. A lot of carrying capacity, especially if
stretched to 12 feet OAL! The displacement may be close to 1500
pounds I guesstimate. But it would also be a much heavier boat,
demanding a trailer.
I guess there was an article in MAIB in the September 01 2003 issue
which I never saw. That is why I was curious as to the plans cost.
Cheers, Nels
> Only weirdness I've noticed with side mounted Brick Mast is thatit's
> hard to see it luff on starboard tack if you sail leaning againstthe
> port side and are too lazy to get up. But under most conditionsthis is
> not much of a problem. Our rudder is on centerline, and Brick motoris
> meant to go on what otherwise would be the bow. I wonder wherepeople
> put the reg. numbers on powered Bricks? I suppose on Fastbrick,motor
> will stay on stern due to different hullform, based on vague memoryof
> plans seen once.There are some sketches in Bolger2 files - not Bolger3 which I think
I mentioned earlier.
Fastbrick has several modifications, which make it a lot more
complicated. It has a flat run aft so the motor must be hung on the
stern. It has the mast step in the bow on the port side and the
rudder on the starboard transom corner. It has a balanced lug rig
whereby when sailing downwind, the spars will be mostly inboard and
it will almost be like a square sail. This seems to offer an
advantage with having the mast where it is.
It also has a kick-up rudder blade and a "double pivoting" leeboard
by the looks of things! And then the cutwater - that fairs back into
a box keel amidships. Considerably more compicated to build, but
perhaps worthwhile. A lot of carrying capacity, especially if
stretched to 12 feet OAL! The displacement may be close to 1500
pounds I guesstimate. But it would also be a much heavier boat,
demanding a trailer.
I guess there was an article in MAIB in the September 01 2003 issue
which I never saw. That is why I was curious as to the plans cost.
Cheers, Nels
> What do you think of the corner mounted mast and rudder?I've built 2 bricks and both times due to my inability to follow
directions i centered the mast. I can only guess bolger with more
sense than me put the rudder opposite the mast to counter any
weirdness it may produce and so you can hang a decent size outboard
on the centerline were it belongs.
> And a window blind furling system like PARADOX?The balanced lug is my favorite rig for goofing off in small boats,
being short spar-ed and simple. I used my pickup pram sail on both
bricks and that went real well. Layden took the rig to a new level
with the roller reefing system.
> Of course - you know me - I am also thinking of a FASTBRICKthe
> NAVIGATOR:-)
>Install a removeable SUPERMOUSE type topper with a walk-through
> centerline, a bunk inside, Koolatron, and a small portable bbq in
> stern:-)sounds like a plan.....almost a shanty boat, wait what's that? You
want to build a super brick?
have you seen some of the ideas over at:
pdracer.com
go to hull configurations, then page 3 "cabin and overnight"
What i like about these little beater boats is you can build a
decent one for about 100 bucks, go hog wild making disasterious
modifications to the rig, hull and cabin/cockpit and if it doesn't
work out you can put a saw zaw to it and recycle it for another go.
I think little brick like boats offer the most bang for the buck if
you sail in prudent conditions.
I've done a bunch of overnight trips all over the place in my brick
and PD. The whole grout idea means you can have a 18' barge of a
boat for about $250 dollars. It really amazing how much gear and
people you can stick in these things. My dog has tried to swim me
many a times with no luck.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
ducky inflatable.
I'm thinking more as a river boat, while maybe carrying the sailing
rig if on a lake.
What do you think of the corner mounted mast and rudder? And a window
blind furling system like PARADOX?
Of course - you know me - I am also thinking of a FASTBRICK
NAVIGATOR:-)
Install a removeable SUPERMOUSE type topper with a walk-through
centerline, a bunk inside, Koolatron, and a small portable bbq in the
stern:-)
Wouldn't that be great for cruising the European canals and fjords?
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> Lestat needs a tender doesn't it......heck maybeNope, LESTAT doesn't need a tender, plus I already have a rubber
> you should go all out and build the super brick, then lestat would
> be the nicest dingy around :) What is that incentive package worth
> these days?
> Jason
ducky inflatable.
I'm thinking more as a river boat, while maybe carrying the sailing
rig if on a lake.
What do you think of the corner mounted mast and rudder? And a window
blind furling system like PARADOX?
Of course - you know me - I am also thinking of a FASTBRICK
NAVIGATOR:-)
Install a removeable SUPERMOUSE type topper with a walk-through
centerline, a bunk inside, Koolatron, and a small portable bbq in the
stern:-)
Wouldn't that be great for cruising the European canals and fjords?
Cheers, Nels
The lack of stern rocker plus the addition of a cutwater gives the
little thing alot of flat area.....i'd be willing to bet it would
hop up on plane with little power and in general make a great little
power skiff. looks like a neat little all around boat. Nels, do you
have aspirations? Lestat needs a tender doesn't it......heck maybe
you should go all out and build the super brick, then lestat would
be the nicest dingy around :) What is that incentive package worth
these days?
Jason
little thing alot of flat area.....i'd be willing to bet it would
hop up on plane with little power and in general make a great little
power skiff. looks like a neat little all around boat. Nels, do you
have aspirations? Lestat needs a tender doesn't it......heck maybe
you should go all out and build the super brick, then lestat would
be the nicest dingy around :) What is that incentive package worth
these days?
Jason
Can anyone give me any further information on FASTBRICK other than
the cartoon in the files.
Was there an article in MAIB about it?
It is available as an upgrade sheet to the standard plans? Or as a
set a plans?
Any idea of the cost? 9 Of the plans that is.)
Looks to me like it can be upsized to 12 feet?
Any idea what size motor is recommended?
What are the drawbacks of a design like this? Would it be reasonably
effective as a motor boat?
Thanks, Nels
the cartoon in the files.
Was there an article in MAIB about it?
It is available as an upgrade sheet to the standard plans? Or as a
set a plans?
Any idea of the cost? 9 Of the plans that is.)
Looks to me like it can be upsized to 12 feet?
Any idea what size motor is recommended?
What are the drawbacks of a design like this? Would it be reasonably
effective as a motor boat?
Thanks, Nels