Re: Slapping Bolger
> So even this big boat was not much better than a Micro there.In one of William Garden's books, he points out that on a large and
expensive powerboat he put the owner's berth directly over the point
where the chine hit the water, thus making the owner put up with the
slap in the night. He also reports chuckling about it with Edwin(?)
Monk who had just done the same thing.
Sorry to say, sleeping aboard is never like sleeping at home.
A few weekends ago, my wife and I slept aboard in the forcabin of a
42ft motor cruiser. We pulled into a beautiful sheltered bay, with
just a ruffle on the surface. There was trickeling and gurgling,
which kept me awake for a while, but I woke up later because it
stopped! Got up and looked about...no problems, back to sleep. Woke
later when it started up again. I suspect it was actually tidal
flow. So even this big boat was not much better than a Micro there.
And it had a gap between hull and hull liner, which was carpet
lined, which would be about as good as you could get in the way of
insulation.
DonB
A few weekends ago, my wife and I slept aboard in the forcabin of a
42ft motor cruiser. We pulled into a beautiful sheltered bay, with
just a ruffle on the surface. There was trickeling and gurgling,
which kept me awake for a while, but I woke up later because it
stopped! Got up and looked about...no problems, back to sleep. Woke
later when it started up again. I suspect it was actually tidal
flow. So even this big boat was not much better than a Micro there.
And it had a gap between hull and hull liner, which was carpet
lined, which would be about as good as you could get in the way of
insulation.
DonB
>know
> Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
> anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you
> what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."of
> repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth
> that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy andnearby
> beaches.the
>
> We became expert at "side anchoring", stern anchoring, and just
> about any other kind of friggin' anchoring to try and deal with
> problem. And I'm not the only one who seems to have noticed thisrounded
> annoyance: I refer you to the latest issue of Woodenboat and
> Bolger's redesign of 'Birdwatcher' in which he has added "a
> plywood pad [that] quiets the boat at anchor." (p.60). Hmmm...if
>
> Now, I'm not posting this to 'diss' Bolger or Micro. Indeed,
> you're reading this Phil, Thank You, Sir, for designing a boatthat
> carried us on many fun, safe adventures. But I need help! Unless
> we get an offer on the boat, we will keep her, sail her and love
> her. And we'd like to sleep aboard her. This is where you,
> esteemed reader, come in: I need your ideas about how to mitigate
> this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
> build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
> get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
>
> Thanks in advance for your ideas.
>
> Martin
>
> www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
All I remember is it was AS something 9
>Susan Davis wrote:
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
>
>
>>> I haven't seen the article, but I seem to remember seeing newish AS39
>>> plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be glued
>>> on outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
>>> problem.
>>
>>
>
>The Insolent 60 has this feature, too, as does the redesigned AS29.
>
The antikerphumperASsomethingorother...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Slapping Bolger
> All I remember is it was AS something 9
>
> >Susan Davis wrote:
> >
> >--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> I haven't seen the article, but I seem to remember seeing newish AS39
> >>> plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be glued
> >>> on outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
> >>> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The Insolent 60 has this feature, too, as does the redesigned AS29.
> >
>
>
>
>
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> We tried this and it actually workedDid you use a weight to hold it down?
> rather well until the waves got to about 6 inches, then it
> collapsed. It was also difficult to get it taught enough to work
> well.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
Martin
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:one
> > ...stuff to be glued on outside of hull, making a more rounded
> shape,
> > to quiet this same problem.
> >
> > I think Susanne Altenberger calls is their 'anti-phlumping' bow.
> >
> > Simply a stacked series of plywood circles, of decreasing
> > diameter. Like a 'topographical map' of a shallow hill, mounted
> > just at the splash waterline on the forward bottom.
> >
> > Gives the flat bow some curve, to break up the slap of the
> > water. I think the step edges of the plywood are smoothed
> > off with an electric plane, and/or filled with thickened epoxy .
> >
>
> Yes- There are some pictures of this installation on an as29 in
> of the bolger photo groups.a
> Nels has some concern with this as well and your comments have
> raised the red flag. PCB&F are supposed to call me next week about
> micro navigator tabernacle.........i'll ask about the anti-phlumper,
> while on the phone.Great! Thanks!
Martin
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ghartc" <ghartc@s...> wrote:
rather well until the waves got to about 6 inches, then it
collapsed. It was also difficult to get it taught enough to work
well.
I did consider combining this idea with another mentioned below,
namely to use fenders at the water line.
But as you can see this is all getting a bit complicated. I'm
still holding out for an inplace or very easily placeable 'product'
that I don't have to mess around with at the end of a long day on
the water.
Thanks again for you ideas...
M
> Hi Martin,that
>
> I gave my Micro away to a good home, though mine wasn't really
> much to write home about :-} Loved the boat, though, when we hadher.
>you
> Anyway, what if you made up a tarp of that porous shadecloth like
> can find at Home Depot, and dragged it across about the front halfof
> the boat and bungeed up the four corners? The water might bounceoff
> a little, squish through a little - might be enough to knock thetops
> of the little wavelets off.Thanks, Gregg, for your idea. We tried this and it actually worked
>
> By the way, we use the same stuff for cockpits - great stuff for
> shade.
>
> Gregg Carlson
rather well until the waves got to about 6 inches, then it
collapsed. It was also difficult to get it taught enough to work
well.
I did consider combining this idea with another mentioned below,
namely to use fenders at the water line.
But as you can see this is all getting a bit complicated. I'm
still holding out for an inplace or very easily placeable 'product'
that I don't have to mess around with at the end of a long day on
the water.
Thanks again for you ideas...
M
>read
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
> > I have been trying to sell my Micro for a couple of months.
> Those
> > of you who checked her out at my geocities web site probably
> > about how much we liked her, having lived aboard her for 4months
> inSistren,
> > the Sea of Cortez. I did wax philosophic about her and she's
> > everything I said she was: well-designed, well-built, and well-
> > proven. But I confess now, to you my Bolger Brethren and
> > that I neglected to mention something important.Slap..."
> >
> > Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
> > anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you
> know
> > what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap,
> > repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night'sworth
> ofjust
> > that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and
> nearby
> > beaches.
> >
> > We became expert at "side anchoring", stern anchoring, and
> > about any other kind of friggin' anchoring to try and deal withthe
> > problem. And I'm not the only one who seems to have noticedthis
> > annoyance: I refer you to the latest issue of Woodenboat androunded
> > Bolger's redesign of 'Birdwatcher' in which he has added "a
> > plywood pad [that] quiets the boat at anchor." (p.60). Hmmm...if
> >
> > Now, I'm not posting this to 'diss' Bolger or Micro. Indeed,
> > you're reading this Phil, Thank You, Sir, for designing a boatthat
> > carried us on many fun, safe adventures. But I need help!Unless
> > we get an offer on the boat, we will keep her, sail her and lovemitigate
> > her. And we'd like to sleep aboard her. This is where you,
> > esteemed reader, come in: I need your ideas about how to
> > this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designsand
> > build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat)to
> > get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your ideas.
> >
> > Martin
> > > www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zavalacat" <zavala@s...> wrote:
Perhaps the fenders were not properly secured... I'll experiment
some more. Thanks M
> You've got me thinking. I have the plywoodYup, I tried this. Was not effective, though I'm not sure why...
> and plans to start a Micro. Do you carry
> fenders? The long kind. Perhaps the fenders
> could be secured end to end and placed on
> the water line where the slapping originates.
> The bitter ends on each side should be securely
> fastened to the boat. If anyone trys this let us
> know how it works. Charles Rouse
Perhaps the fenders were not properly secured... I'll experiment
some more. Thanks M
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your ideas.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
of the bolger photo groups.
Nels has some concern with this as well and your comments have
raised the red flag. PCB&F are supposed to call me next week about a
micro navigator tabernacle.........i'll ask about the anti-phlumper,
while on the phone.
> ...stuff to be glued on outside of hull, making a more roundedshape,
> to quiet this same problem.Yes- There are some pictures of this installation on an as29 in one
>
> I think Susanne Altenberger calls is their 'anti-phlumping' bow.
>
> Simply a stacked series of plywood circles, of decreasing
> diameter. Like a 'topographical map' of a shallow hill, mounted
> just at the splash waterline on the forward bottom.
>
> Gives the flat bow some curve, to break up the slap of the
> water. I think the step edges of the plywood are smoothed
> off with an electric plane, and/or filled with thickened epoxy .
>
of the bolger photo groups.
Nels has some concern with this as well and your comments have
raised the red flag. PCB&F are supposed to call me next week about a
micro navigator tabernacle.........i'll ask about the anti-phlumper,
while on the phone.
You've got me thinking. I have the plywood
and plans to start a Micro. Do you carry
fenders? The long kind. Perhaps the fenders
could be secured end to end and placed on
the water line where the slapping originates.
The bitter ends on each side should be securely
fastened to the boat. If anyone trys this let us
know how it works. Charles Rouse
and plans to start a Micro. Do you carry
fenders? The long kind. Perhaps the fenders
could be secured end to end and placed on
the water line where the slapping originates.
The bitter ends on each side should be securely
fastened to the boat. If anyone trys this let us
know how it works. Charles Rouse
>
> Thanks in advance for your ideas.
>
> Martin
>
> www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
I haven't seen the article, but I seem to remember seeing newish AS39
plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be glued on
outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
problem. So I'm guessing the new Micro version may be similar, and you
could attach something similar to your boat? I think you have every
reason to ask Bolger himself about this.
plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be glued on
outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
problem. So I'm guessing the new Micro version may be similar, and you
could attach something similar to your boat? I think you have every
reason to ask Bolger himself about this.
>snip
>
> Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
>anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you know
>what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."
>repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth of
>that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and nearby
>beaches.
>
> snip I need your ideas about how to mitigate
>this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
>build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
>get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
>
> Thanks in advance for your ideas.
>
...stuff to be glued on outside of hull, making a more rounded shape,
to quiet this same problem.
I think Susanne Altenberger calls is their 'anti-phlumping' bow.
Simply a stacked series of plywood circles, of decreasing
diameter. Like a 'topographical map' of a shallow hill, mounted
just at the splash waterline on the forward bottom.
Gives the flat bow some curve, to break up the slap of the
water. I think the step edges of the plywood are smoothed
off with an electric plane, and/or filled with thickened epoxy .
Probably could also be done with sculpted styrofoam,
sheathed with glass fabric and epoxy.
to quiet this same problem.
I think Susanne Altenberger calls is their 'anti-phlumping' bow.
Simply a stacked series of plywood circles, of decreasing
diameter. Like a 'topographical map' of a shallow hill, mounted
just at the splash waterline on the forward bottom.
Gives the flat bow some curve, to break up the slap of the
water. I think the step edges of the plywood are smoothed
off with an electric plane, and/or filled with thickened epoxy .
Probably could also be done with sculpted styrofoam,
sheathed with glass fabric and epoxy.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I haven't seen the article, but I seem to remember seeing newish AS39The Insolent 60 has this feature, too, as does the redesigned AS29.
> plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be glued
> on outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
> problem.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I seem to remember this problem, and the possible solution I am going
to suggest, has been raised before on this forum, but here goes: why
not tie something under the bow while you are at anchor? Maybe an
inflated airbed or a few "noodles" (used in swimming pools) lashed
together would work.
Howard
to suggest, has been raised before on this forum, but here goes: why
not tie something under the bow while you are at anchor? Maybe an
inflated airbed or a few "noodles" (used in swimming pools) lashed
together would work.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> I haven't seen the article, but I seem to remember seeing newish
AS39
> plans at last year's messabout showing patterns of stuff to be
glued on
> outside of hull, making a more rounded shape, to quiet this same
> problem. So I'm guessing the new Micro version may be similar, and
you
> could attach something similar to your boat? I think you have every
> reason to ask Bolger himself about this.
>
> >snip
> >
> > Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
> >anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you
know
> >what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."
> >repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth
of
> >that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and
nearby
> >beaches.
> >
> > snip I need your ideas about how to mitigate
> >this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
> >build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
> >get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your ideas.
> >
Hi Martin,
I gave my Micro away to a good home, though mine wasn't really that
much to write home about :-} Loved the boat, though, when we had her.
Anyway, what if you made up a tarp of that porous shadecloth like you
can find at Home Depot, and dragged it across about the front half of
the boat and bungeed up the four corners? The water might bounce off
a little, squish through a little - might be enough to knock the tops
of the little wavelets off.
By the way, we use the same stuff for cockpits - great stuff for
shade.
Gregg Carlson
I gave my Micro away to a good home, though mine wasn't really that
much to write home about :-} Loved the boat, though, when we had her.
Anyway, what if you made up a tarp of that porous shadecloth like you
can find at Home Depot, and dragged it across about the front half of
the boat and bungeed up the four corners? The water might bounce off
a little, squish through a little - might be enough to knock the tops
of the little wavelets off.
By the way, we use the same stuff for cockpits - great stuff for
shade.
Gregg Carlson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
> I have been trying to sell my Micro for a couple of months.
Those
> of you who checked her out at my geocities web site probably read
> about how much we liked her, having lived aboard her for 4 months
in
> the Sea of Cortez. I did wax philosophic about her and she's
> everything I said she was: well-designed, well-built, and well-
> proven. But I confess now, to you my Bolger Brethren and Sistren,
> that I neglected to mention something important.
>
> Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
> anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you
know
> what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."
> repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth
of
> that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and
nearby
> beaches.
>
> We became expert at "side anchoring", stern anchoring, and just
> about any other kind of friggin' anchoring to try and deal with the
> problem. And I'm not the only one who seems to have noticed this
> annoyance: I refer you to the latest issue of Woodenboat and
> Bolger's redesign of 'Birdwatcher' in which he has added "a rounded
> plywood pad [that] quiets the boat at anchor." (p.60). Hmmm...
>
> Now, I'm not posting this to 'diss' Bolger or Micro. Indeed, if
> you're reading this Phil, Thank You, Sir, for designing a boat that
> carried us on many fun, safe adventures. But I need help! Unless
> we get an offer on the boat, we will keep her, sail her and love
> her. And we'd like to sleep aboard her. This is where you,
> esteemed reader, come in: I need your ideas about how to mitigate
> this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
> build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
> get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
>
> Thanks in advance for your ideas.
>
> Martin
> > www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
Well, it's time to come clean:
I have been trying to sell my Micro for a couple of months. Those
of you who checked her out at my geocities web site probably read
about how much we liked her, having lived aboard her for 4 months in
the Sea of Cortez. I did wax philosophic about her and she's
everything I said she was: well-designed, well-built, and well-
proven. But I confess now, to you my Bolger Brethren and Sistren,
that I neglected to mention something important.
Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you know
what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."
repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth of
that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and nearby
beaches.
We became expert at "side anchoring", stern anchoring, and just
about any other kind of friggin' anchoring to try and deal with the
problem. And I'm not the only one who seems to have noticed this
annoyance: I refer you to the latest issue of Woodenboat and
Bolger's redesign of 'Birdwatcher' in which he has added "a rounded
plywood pad [that] quiets the boat at anchor." (p.60). Hmmm...
Now, I'm not posting this to 'diss' Bolger or Micro. Indeed, if
you're reading this Phil, Thank You, Sir, for designing a boat that
carried us on many fun, safe adventures. But I need help! Unless
we get an offer on the boat, we will keep her, sail her and love
her. And we'd like to sleep aboard her. This is where you,
esteemed reader, come in: I need your ideas about how to mitigate
this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
Thanks in advance for your ideas.
Martin
www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html
I have been trying to sell my Micro for a couple of months. Those
of you who checked her out at my geocities web site probably read
about how much we liked her, having lived aboard her for 4 months in
the Sea of Cortez. I did wax philosophic about her and she's
everything I said she was: well-designed, well-built, and well-
proven. But I confess now, to you my Bolger Brethren and Sistren,
that I neglected to mention something important.
Anybody out there every tried sleeping aboard a Micro with
anything more than a 1 inch (yes, INCH!)chop? If you have, you know
what I'm talking about; if you haven't, say "Slap, Slap, Slap..."
repeatedly for the next two minutes. Now imagine a night's worth of
that. Right next to your head. Thank god for the dinghy and nearby
beaches.
We became expert at "side anchoring", stern anchoring, and just
about any other kind of friggin' anchoring to try and deal with the
problem. And I'm not the only one who seems to have noticed this
annoyance: I refer you to the latest issue of Woodenboat and
Bolger's redesign of 'Birdwatcher' in which he has added "a rounded
plywood pad [that] quiets the boat at anchor." (p.60). Hmmm...
Now, I'm not posting this to 'diss' Bolger or Micro. Indeed, if
you're reading this Phil, Thank You, Sir, for designing a boat that
carried us on many fun, safe adventures. But I need help! Unless
we get an offer on the boat, we will keep her, sail her and love
her. And we'd like to sleep aboard her. This is where you,
esteemed reader, come in: I need your ideas about how to mitigate
this problem. I will eagerly read all ideas, scan all designs and
build whatever it takes (within reason; can't build a new boat) to
get us and 'Little Em' back on the water; asleep.
Thanks in advance for your ideas.
Martin
www.geocities.com/strika62/micro.html