Re: I 60 Progress?

> The galley is at least as "cookable" as our city apartment kitchen!

"Still not a strong claim." - Philip C. Bolger
>The bow and stern sections pivot and fold asymetrically, the fold
>bulheads do not run straight across the beam as most bulkheads do,
>but rather at about a 8 degree angle off true, and the stern fold the
>mirror angle. This to let the tips clear and overlap.

If this is so (mirror angle) then Sue's plans are a further revision
from the one's that I have. In mine the bow folds at a more acute
angle than the stern. Without getting them out, I recollect that the
bulkheads in the aft section are square, and the angle is imparted by
the hinge. The forward section has offset bulkheads.

The galley is at least as "cookable" as our city apartment kitchen!

YIBB,

David


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Sue Davis stopped with her newest addition to the I 60 plans. It's
looking very do-able and cool.

The bow and stern sections pivot and fold asymetrically, the fold
bulheads do not run straight across the beam as most bulkheads do,
but rather at about a 8 degree angle off true, and the stern fold the
mirror angle. This to let the tips clear and overlap.

Midships: The outboard is in a centreline well with hard cover, that
you walk over to enter the cabin. The head is to starboard of the
O/B. In the main cabin the galleys is long and can easily cook up a
storm for the biggish, raveanous crew. To port of the C/B trunk is a
tightish owner's "stateroon" with even more cozy double berth.
Perfect for those cool evenings. Forward of the C/B is the dinette,
twin berths.

Bow: basically empty space, to keep it light for folding I guess.
Stern: the same, but add the tiller gear.

Sue is looking for a place to build and I offered her the Rust Check
lot, 2.5 hours from Toronto, but she was thinking of a freind's farm
in the Catskills for Pete's sake (4-5 hours, plus bridge and custom's
delays. If she takes me up, there'll be lots of building pics.

At that range even Peter Lenihan might drive down from Montreal for
an cool Cooper's ale over the poop deck.

Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
For updated details on this years Kingston Messabout.
>Just that the dories reputation for seaworthiness was gained from
>the Banks dories.With 1/2 a ton of fish loaded on board they gained
>a lot of stability, whereas unloaded they were not as stable or as
>seaworthy as you might imagine.


Thank you for disabusing me of my misapprehension. No doubt lives
have been saved.

YIBB,

David


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David Ryan wrote:

> >I know that a couple of I 60 boats were supposed to start building.
> >Has anybody made any progress yet? Are there any pictures? I hope
> >that the people involved are ready for such a big project.
>
> The plans for said boat are not yet complete.
>
> As far as the Insolent 60 being a big project, it is. But it's not as
> big as the length of the boat might suggest.
>
> Buelher's 43 foot schooner ARCHIMEDES has a displacement of 21 tons.
> From that one might infer that his 64 foot schooner DRAGONFLY has a
> displacement of around 30 or 40 tons.

Archimedes at 43 feet is 42,000lbs or 21 short tons; but Dragonfly 64 at
64 feet is only 59,000lbs or just less than 30 short tons.
Still quite a lot more than 6 tons though !

Chris
Just that the dories reputation for seaworthiness was gained from the Banks dories.With 1/2 a ton of fish loaded on board they gained a lot of stability, whereas unloaded they were not as stable or as seaworthy as you might imagine.

David Ryan <david@...> wrote:>Dories are not as seaworthy as people think, they need to be loaded.

What's your point, smarty-pants?

YIBB,

David


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>Dories are not as seaworthy as people think, they need to be loaded.

What's your point, smarty-pants?

YIBB,

David


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Dories are not as seaworthy as people think, they need to be loaded.

David Ryan <david@...> wrote:The I60 has it's origins in the Puget Sound area, where a fellow who
ultimately proved to have more sense than I have asked PCB&F to draw
him the biggest, fastest boat that could possibly fit onto a trailer.

For more information on the genesis of the project, have at look at:

http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent

For a look at the I60's prospective builders hard at work on another
cod fishery inspired project, have a look at:

http://www.crumblingempire.com/gullapalooza

YIBB,

David



>I've seen the I60 sail plan sketch posted somewhere but i know
>nothing about it's origin. David, are you the one that put bolger to
>work on this boat?
>What is the boat's intended purpose?
>That's one big sharpie birdwatcher, schooner thingy, looks good.
>Hope you fire up a web page for the construction process.
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> The plans for said boat are not yet complete.
>>
>> As far as the Insolent 60 being a big project, it is. But it's not
>as
>> big as the length of the boat might suggest.
>>
>> Buelher's 43 foot schooner ARCHIMEDES has a displacement of 21
>tons.
>> From that one might infer that his 64 foot schooner DRAGONFLY has
>a
>> displacement of around 30 or 40 tons.
>>
>> By contrast, the I60 should have a displacement of about 5-6 tons.
>> Having studied the preliminary drawings, I think the build will be
>> akin to making an AS-29 and a couple of LIGHT SCOONERS. Not a
>trivial
>> amount of work, but not quite the monumental project that a
>> traditional 60 footer would entail.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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The I60 has it's origins in the Puget Sound area, where a fellow who
ultimately proved to have more sense than I have asked PCB&F to draw
him the biggest, fastest boat that could possibly fit onto a trailer.

For more information on the genesis of the project, have at look at:

http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent

For a look at the I60's prospective builders hard at work on another
cod fishery inspired project, have a look at:

http://www.crumblingempire.com/gullapalooza

YIBB,

David



>I've seen the I60 sail plan sketch posted somewhere but i know
>nothing about it's origin. David, are you the one that put bolger to
>work on this boat?
>What is the boat's intended purpose?
>That's one big sharpie birdwatcher, schooner thingy, looks good.
>Hope you fire up a web page for the construction process.
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> The plans for said boat are not yet complete.
>>
>> As far as the Insolent 60 being a big project, it is. But it's not
>as
>> big as the length of the boat might suggest.
>>
>> Buelher's 43 foot schooner ARCHIMEDES has a displacement of 21
>tons.
>> From that one might infer that his 64 foot schooner DRAGONFLY has
>a
>> displacement of around 30 or 40 tons.
>>
>> By contrast, the I60 should have a displacement of about 5-6 tons.
>> Having studied the preliminary drawings, I think the build will be
>> akin to making an AS-29 and a couple of LIGHT SCOONERS. Not a
>trivial
>> amount of work, but not quite the monumental project that a
>> traditional 60 footer would entail.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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I've seen the I60 sail plan sketch posted somewhere but i know
nothing about it's origin. David, are you the one that put bolger to
work on this boat?
What is the boat's intended purpose?
That's one big sharpie birdwatcher, schooner thingy, looks good.
Hope you fire up a web page for the construction process.

Jason






> The plans for said boat are not yet complete.
>
> As far as the Insolent 60 being a big project, it is. But it's not
as
> big as the length of the boat might suggest.
>
> Buelher's 43 foot schooner ARCHIMEDES has a displacement of 21
tons.
> From that one might infer that his 64 foot schooner DRAGONFLY has
a
> displacement of around 30 or 40 tons.
>
> By contrast, the I60 should have a displacement of about 5-6 tons.
> Having studied the preliminary drawings, I think the build will be
> akin to making an AS-29 and a couple of LIGHT SCOONERS. Not a
trivial
> amount of work, but not quite the monumental project that a
> traditional 60 footer would entail.
>I know that a couple of I 60 boats were supposed to start building.
>Has anybody made any progress yet? Are there any pictures? I hope
>that the people involved are ready for such a big project.

The plans for said boat are not yet complete.

As far as the Insolent 60 being a big project, it is. But it's not as
big as the length of the boat might suggest.

Buelher's 43 foot schooner ARCHIMEDES has a displacement of 21 tons.
From that one might infer that his 64 foot schooner DRAGONFLY has a
displacement of around 30 or 40 tons.

By contrast, the I60 should have a displacement of about 5-6 tons.
Having studied the preliminary drawings, I think the build will be
akin to making an AS-29 and a couple of LIGHT SCOONERS. Not a trivial
amount of work, but not quite the monumental project that a
traditional 60 footer would entail.

YIBB,

David


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I know that a couple of I 60 boats were supposed to start building.
Has anybody made any progress yet? Are there any pictures? I hope
that the people involved are ready for such a big project.

John Cupp