Re: Sweet Pea Experience?
> (2 o.z.) of fiberglass seems to yield a finish that's virtuallyfinished
> impervious to the elements. My Light Scooner and Dories are
> this way, and both live outdoors, uncovered with no ill effects toInteresting. Did you use AC or Marine grade fir?
> the finish.
>
I built a dingy some 30 years ago (I was in kindergarden at the time)
with good marine ply but no fiberglass. It has needed some patching
over the years, but has held up surprisingly well under a long term
program of benign neglect.
John
>I don't much like to spend time sanding and filling, and I leanIn my mind, this is the number one reason to use plywood with a good finish!
>toward the second theory. But a perfectly >useable boat can be
>built either way.
I've been building with AC fir w/ the "C" side out glassed and
painted and the "A" side in just painted. (This might be why I don't
have any dutchmen showing through the finish.) But by the time you
figure the cost of resin and filler, plus the aggrivation of filling
all the "C" side knot holes and other defects, it very well might
make more sense to simply use better plywood.
BTW: My dories are Luan w/glass and epoxy skins. I choose luan
because I wanted to make cheap, and very light boats, which I car-top
and launch through the surf. Lightness is good for getting off the
roof and carrying over the dune singlehanded. It also makes the boat
a little easier to manage in the wash. No complaints about the luan,
and it's much easier to prep for glassing than the "C" side of AC
fir. The only change I'd make if I did it again would be to use
heavier glass on the chines and bottom.
YIBB,
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I fiberglassed the bottom (using polyester resin) and painted the boat using oil based porch enamel. The fir checked through the porch enamel, but not through the glass. The hull was dark green with buff decks and interior. Although the plywood did not check through the fg, the "footballs" in the plywood "printed" through the glass (I was using AC exterior fir).
Perhaps a lighter color for the hull would have prevented the printing.
There are at least two philosophies about plywood. One is the idea that if plywood doesn't delaminate or rot, a plywood boat will last a long time, even if it does not have yacht quality finish. The other is that the material cost is the least of the cost in effort (to say nothing of blood and tears) that goes into a boat building project, and it doesn't make any sense to use anything other than the best available material. This is particularly true in small boats where the difference in cost between el cheapo and the best doesn't really amount to a great deal. I'm an old man with some disposable play money (my children are grown and self supporting), I don't much like to spend time sanding and filling, and I lean toward the second theory. But a perfectly useable boat can be built either way.
Have fun and keep us posted on your progress.
John T
I fiberglassed the bottom (using polyester resin) and painted the boat using oil based porch enamel. The fir checked through the porch enamel, but not through the glass. The hull was dark green with buff decks and interior. Although the plywood did not check through the fg, the "footballs" in the plywood "printed" through the glass (I was using AC exterior fir).
Perhaps a lighter color for the hull would have prevented the printing.
There are at least two philosophies about plywood. One is the idea that if plywood doesn't delaminate or rot, a plywood boat will last a long time, even if it does not have yacht quality finish. The other is that the material cost is the least of the cost in effort (to say nothing of blood and tears) that goes into a boat building project, and it doesn't make any sense to use anything other than the best available material. This is particularly true in small boats where the difference in cost between el cheapo and the best doesn't really amount to a great deal. I'm an old man with some disposable play money (my children are grown and self supporting), I don't much like to spend time sanding and filling, and I lean toward the second theory. But a perfectly useable boat can be built either way.
Have fun and keep us posted on your progress.
John T
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From: jbatesblnk
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sweet Pea Experience?
John T.,
Greatly appreciate your reply, especially about the sailing
performance. Wind is pretty reliable on the Maine coast, so if the
design handles chop well I expect she will be right at home.
The seat design just looks weird. I remember Dynamite's original
article in WB saying he rowed it standing up. I'm probably similar to
his build, so that might be an alternative for me, but other oarsmen
in the family will want to get more serious. I also don't like
sailing with loose gear (like the removable seats) bouncing about.
Once I've got the hull knocked together with the centerboard
installed I'll try to think of a good alternative, like a fixed
thwart or jacknife seats.
I'm embarrassed to admit I built the Cartopper out of 1/4" luan, as
in underlayment. It was crappy stuff, but it passed the waterproof
glue test and I was careful with the epoxy and fiberglass. It has
held together fine, and is a fun little boat. I think I'll use
something better this next time. You said the fir developed surface
checks - was that on the inside of the hull and/or the side benches?
Thanks,
John B.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> I built one several years ago. I figured the removable keel was
more trouble than it was worth and made the keel permanent.
>
> Sweet Pea is a very pretty boat. Mine rowed easily using 8'6"
Culler spruce oars.It was reasonably stable and could carry two
adults comfortably with no significant degradation of rowing
performance. I had the sprit sail. In light air the boat was dull.
I sold it to a man who sailed it in Charleston harbor where 15mph
winds are common and the wind against the tide can set up a nasty
chop. He thought very highly of the boat as a sail boat in those
conditions.
>
> I thenk Sweet Pea is much more relaxed, but slightly slower than a
Light Dory. Mine went together without much trouble (though I used
ac fir plywood and it eventually checked badly where it wasn't
fiberglassed). I was suspicious of the movable seat held together
with an epoxy fillet, but it held up even under my fat body.
>
> It's a nice, pretty boat.
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbatesblnk
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:49 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Sweet Pea Experience?
>
>
> Anyone in the group built/using a Sweet Pea?
>
> I'm looking at building Sweet Pea as a winter project. I've
> previously built a Cartopper, and have been real pleased with
her -
> made an excellent little sail trainer for the kids.
>
> The Sweet Pea will be used up in Muscongus Bay (midcoast Maine)
for
> sailing about the islands, and for some other family members who
are
> serious rowers. I'll probably replace the dropping keel with a
> centerboard ala' the cartopper design - seems more sensible for
> beaching on Maine shores, plus the no hassle conversion for
sailing
> or rowing.
>
> Would appreciate information on how the design sails and rows.
BWAOM
> lauds her rowing abilities, but I've found little about how she
> sails. Bays in Maine can be pretty lumpy at times, so
seaworthiness
> is a consideration. I'm an experienced sailor, but have never
sailed
> a dory type hull.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
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>something better this next time. You said the fir developed surfaceFir seems to check, right through epoxy and porch paint, anywhere
>checks - was that on the inside of the hull and/or the side benches?
it's exposed to the sun. However, the addition of even a light sheet
(2 o.z.) of fiberglass seems to yield a finish that's virtually
impervious to the elements. My Light Scooner and Dories are finished
this way, and both live outdoors, uncovered with no ill effects to
the finish.
YIBB,
David
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Office (212) 247-0296
John T.,
Greatly appreciate your reply, especially about the sailing
performance. Wind is pretty reliable on the Maine coast, so if the
design handles chop well I expect she will be right at home.
The seat design just looks weird. I remember Dynamite's original
article in WB saying he rowed it standing up. I'm probably similar to
his build, so that might be an alternative for me, but other oarsmen
in the family will want to get more serious. I also don't like
sailing with loose gear (like the removable seats) bouncing about.
Once I've got the hull knocked together with the centerboard
installed I'll try to think of a good alternative, like a fixed
thwart or jacknife seats.
I'm embarrassed to admit I built the Cartopper out of 1/4" luan, as
in underlayment. It was crappy stuff, but it passed the waterproof
glue test and I was careful with the epoxy and fiberglass. It has
held together fine, and is a fun little boat. I think I'll use
something better this next time. You said the fir developed surface
checks - was that on the inside of the hull and/or the side benches?
Thanks,
John B.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
adults comfortably with no significant degradation of rowing
performance. I had the sprit sail. In light air the boat was dull.
I sold it to a man who sailed it in Charleston harbor where 15mph
winds are common and the wind against the tide can set up a nasty
chop. He thought very highly of the boat as a sail boat in those
conditions.
ac fir plywood and it eventually checked badly where it wasn't
fiberglassed). I was suspicious of the movable seat held together
with an epoxy fillet, but it held up even under my fat body.
Greatly appreciate your reply, especially about the sailing
performance. Wind is pretty reliable on the Maine coast, so if the
design handles chop well I expect she will be right at home.
The seat design just looks weird. I remember Dynamite's original
article in WB saying he rowed it standing up. I'm probably similar to
his build, so that might be an alternative for me, but other oarsmen
in the family will want to get more serious. I also don't like
sailing with loose gear (like the removable seats) bouncing about.
Once I've got the hull knocked together with the centerboard
installed I'll try to think of a good alternative, like a fixed
thwart or jacknife seats.
I'm embarrassed to admit I built the Cartopper out of 1/4" luan, as
in underlayment. It was crappy stuff, but it passed the waterproof
glue test and I was careful with the epoxy and fiberglass. It has
held together fine, and is a fun little boat. I think I'll use
something better this next time. You said the fir developed surface
checks - was that on the inside of the hull and/or the side benches?
Thanks,
John B.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> I built one several years ago. I figured the removable keel wasmore trouble than it was worth and made the keel permanent.
>Culler spruce oars.It was reasonably stable and could carry two
> Sweet Pea is a very pretty boat. Mine rowed easily using 8'6"
adults comfortably with no significant degradation of rowing
performance. I had the sprit sail. In light air the boat was dull.
I sold it to a man who sailed it in Charleston harbor where 15mph
winds are common and the wind against the tide can set up a nasty
chop. He thought very highly of the boat as a sail boat in those
conditions.
>Light Dory. Mine went together without much trouble (though I used
> I thenk Sweet Pea is much more relaxed, but slightly slower than a
ac fir plywood and it eventually checked badly where it wasn't
fiberglassed). I was suspicious of the movable seat held together
with an epoxy fillet, but it held up even under my fat body.
>her -
> It's a nice, pretty boat.
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbatesblnk
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:49 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Sweet Pea Experience?
>
>
> Anyone in the group built/using a Sweet Pea?
>
> I'm looking at building Sweet Pea as a winter project. I've
> previously built a Cartopper, and have been real pleased with
> made an excellent little sail trainer for the kids.for
>
> The Sweet Pea will be used up in Muscongus Bay (midcoast Maine)
> sailing about the islands, and for some other family members whoare
> serious rowers. I'll probably replace the dropping keel with asailing
> centerboard ala' the cartopper design - seems more sensible for
> beaching on Maine shores, plus the no hassle conversion for
> or rowing.BWAOM
>
> Would appreciate information on how the design sails and rows.
> lauds her rowing abilities, but I've found little about how sheseaworthiness
> sails. Bays in Maine can be pretty lumpy at times, so
> is a consideration. I'm an experienced sailor, but have neversailed
> a dory type hull.posts
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
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I built one several years ago. I figured the removable keel was more trouble than it was worth and made the keel permanent.
Sweet Pea is a very pretty boat. Mine rowed easily using 8'6" Culler spruce oars.It was reasonably stable and could carry two adults comfortably with no significant degradation of rowing performance. I had the sprit sail. In light air the boat was dull. I sold it to a man who sailed it in Charleston harbor where 15mph winds are common and the wind against the tide can set up a nasty chop. He thought very highly of the boat as a sail boat in those conditions.
I thenk Sweet Pea is much more relaxed, but slightly slower than a Light Dory. Mine went together without much trouble (though I used ac fir plywood and it eventually checked badly where it wasn't fiberglassed). I was suspicious of the movable seat held together with an epoxy fillet, but it held up even under my fat body.
It's a nice, pretty boat.
John T
Sweet Pea is a very pretty boat. Mine rowed easily using 8'6" Culler spruce oars.It was reasonably stable and could carry two adults comfortably with no significant degradation of rowing performance. I had the sprit sail. In light air the boat was dull. I sold it to a man who sailed it in Charleston harbor where 15mph winds are common and the wind against the tide can set up a nasty chop. He thought very highly of the boat as a sail boat in those conditions.
I thenk Sweet Pea is much more relaxed, but slightly slower than a Light Dory. Mine went together without much trouble (though I used ac fir plywood and it eventually checked badly where it wasn't fiberglassed). I was suspicious of the movable seat held together with an epoxy fillet, but it held up even under my fat body.
It's a nice, pretty boat.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: jbatesblnk
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: [bolger] Sweet Pea Experience?
Anyone in the group built/using a Sweet Pea?
I'm looking at building Sweet Pea as a winter project. I've
previously built a Cartopper, and have been real pleased with her -
made an excellent little sail trainer for the kids.
The Sweet Pea will be used up in Muscongus Bay (midcoast Maine)for
sailing about the islands, and for some other family members who are
serious rowers. I'll probably replace the dropping keel with a
centerboard ala' the cartopper design - seems more sensible for
beaching on Maine shores, plus the no hassle conversion for sailing
or rowing.
Would appreciate information on how the design sails and rows. BWAOM
lauds her rowing abilities, but I've found little about how she
sails. Bays in Maine can be pretty lumpy at times, so seaworthiness
is a consideration. I'm an experienced sailor, but have never sailed
a dory type hull.
Thanks,
John
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Anyone in the group built/using a Sweet Pea?
I'm looking at building Sweet Pea as a winter project. I've
previously built a Cartopper, and have been real pleased with her -
made an excellent little sail trainer for the kids.
The Sweet Pea will be used up in Muscongus Bay (midcoast Maine)for
sailing about the islands, and for some other family members who are
serious rowers. I'll probably replace the dropping keel with a
centerboard ala' the cartopper design - seems more sensible for
beaching on Maine shores, plus the no hassle conversion for sailing
or rowing.
Would appreciate information on how the design sails and rows. BWAOM
lauds her rowing abilities, but I've found little about how she
sails. Bays in Maine can be pretty lumpy at times, so seaworthiness
is a consideration. I'm an experienced sailor, but have never sailed
a dory type hull.
Thanks,
John
I'm looking at building Sweet Pea as a winter project. I've
previously built a Cartopper, and have been real pleased with her -
made an excellent little sail trainer for the kids.
The Sweet Pea will be used up in Muscongus Bay (midcoast Maine)for
sailing about the islands, and for some other family members who are
serious rowers. I'll probably replace the dropping keel with a
centerboard ala' the cartopper design - seems more sensible for
beaching on Maine shores, plus the no hassle conversion for sailing
or rowing.
Would appreciate information on how the design sails and rows. BWAOM
lauds her rowing abilities, but I've found little about how she
sails. Bays in Maine can be pretty lumpy at times, so seaworthiness
is a consideration. I'm an experienced sailor, but have never sailed
a dory type hull.
Thanks,
John