Re: Flag Protocol
Bruce
from an old naval fella, for yr gaff mainsail the flag halyard should
be attached: upper block to upper/outer end of gaff, lower
fastening to tack point of boom. for singlehanded adjustments,
bring the halyard back from the tack point along the boom, until you
can reach the fastening from the cockpit.
howard
from an old naval fella, for yr gaff mainsail the flag halyard should
be attached: upper block to upper/outer end of gaff, lower
fastening to tack point of boom. for singlehanded adjustments,
bring the halyard back from the tack point along the boom, until you
can reach the fastening from the cockpit.
howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
If I were to attach the flag to the main
> gaff, would the top grommet fasten to the tip of the gaff, and the
> bottom grommet to the leech of the sail?
Bruce,
The advice from rec.cruising is correct. The aftermost mast is the
place of honor for the national ensign. It is also now considered
correct to fly from a stern staff, if your boat will permit it.
Here are links to a couple of articles I found (there are entire books
on the subject, because flag flying used to be taken much more
seriously).
<http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/
index.cfm?articleid=rousma0041>
<http://www.usps.org/f_stuff/etiquett.html#honoring-o-n-flags>
Historically, ensigns were originally flown from stern staffs from the
high quarter decks of square rigged sailing vessels. Then with the
advent of fore-and-aft rig and the overhanging long boom typical then,
this position was no longer usable. Hence the shift to the peak of the
gaff of the aftermost mast. Then came the shift to marconi sail and the
move to the 2/3rds up the leech of the aftermost mast. Now that most
production sailboats have short booms, the stern staff has begun to
come back into acceptance. Also, many have substituted 2/3rds up the
back stay for the leech, if the backstay would interfere. The aft end
of the ship has been the position of honor since at least roman times
because that is where the high muckety-mucks always have congregated:)
Bob
The advice from rec.cruising is correct. The aftermost mast is the
place of honor for the national ensign. It is also now considered
correct to fly from a stern staff, if your boat will permit it.
Here are links to a couple of articles I found (there are entire books
on the subject, because flag flying used to be taken much more
seriously).
<http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/
index.cfm?articleid=rousma0041>
<http://www.usps.org/f_stuff/etiquett.html#honoring-o-n-flags>
Historically, ensigns were originally flown from stern staffs from the
high quarter decks of square rigged sailing vessels. Then with the
advent of fore-and-aft rig and the overhanging long boom typical then,
this position was no longer usable. Hence the shift to the peak of the
gaff of the aftermost mast. Then came the shift to marconi sail and the
move to the 2/3rds up the leech of the aftermost mast. Now that most
production sailboats have short booms, the stern staff has begun to
come back into acceptance. Also, many have substituted 2/3rds up the
back stay for the leech, if the backstay would interfere. The aft end
of the ship has been the position of honor since at least roman times
because that is where the high muckety-mucks always have congregated:)
Bob
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 05:55 PM,bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:58:24 -0700
> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> Subject: Re: Flag Protocol
>
> Thanks Bob, I appreciate your advice. My boat has a gaff mainsail, and
> a triangular mizzen sail. The 'mixed' advice I get from the
> rec.cruising newsgroup is to fly the national emblem from 2/3rds up
> the leech of the mizzen. If I were to attach the flag to the main
> gaff, would the top grommet fasten to the tip of the gaff, and the
> bottom grommet to the leech of the sail?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:34:55 -0400, Bob Johnson <dredbob@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me if someone else has already mentioned this, I've been on
>> vacation for a week an d am working my way through a weeks worth of
>> Bolger Digests.
>>
>> On a sail rig with a gaff or yard, the traditional place for the US
>> Ensign (either the 50 stars or the circle & anchor version) is at the
>> peak of the gaff, that is at the top, rear edge of the sail, on the
>> aftermost mast in the case of vessels with more than one mast. The
>> 2/3s up the leech on a marconi sail came about in approximation of
>> where the gaff would be if the sail were a gaff main with a topsail
>> set
>> above.
>>
>> The Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Power Squadron both have info on
>> flag protocol on their web sites.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
Thanks Bob, I appreciate your advice. My boat has a gaff mainsail, and
a triangular mizzen sail. The 'mixed' advice I get from the
rec.cruising newsgroup is to fly the national emblem from 2/3rds up
the leech of the mizzen. If I were to attach the flag to the main
gaff, would the top grommet fasten to the tip of the gaff, and the
bottom grommet to the leech of the sail?
a triangular mizzen sail. The 'mixed' advice I get from the
rec.cruising newsgroup is to fly the national emblem from 2/3rds up
the leech of the mizzen. If I were to attach the flag to the main
gaff, would the top grommet fasten to the tip of the gaff, and the
bottom grommet to the leech of the sail?
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:34:55 -0400, Bob Johnson <dredbob@...> wrote:
>
> Forgive me if someone else has already mentioned this, I've been on
> vacation for a week an d am working my way through a weeks worth of
> Bolger Digests.
>
> On a sail rig with a gaff or yard, the traditional place for the US
> Ensign (either the 50 stars or the circle & anchor version) is at the
> peak of the gaff, that is at the top, rear edge of the sail, on the
> aftermost mast in the case of vessels with more than one mast. The
> 2/3s up the leech on a marconi sail came about in approximation of
> where the gaff would be if the sail were a gaff main with a topsail set
> above.
>
> The Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Power Squadron both have info on
> flag protocol on their web sites.
>
> Bob
>
>
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> The 2/3s up the leech on a marconi sail came about inGovernment thinking. How else could it be put in such an
> approximation of where the gaff would be if the sail were
> a gaff main with a topsail set above.
unsatisfactory place.
Peter
Forgive me if someone else has already mentioned this, I've been on
vacation for a week an d am working my way through a weeks worth of
Bolger Digests.
On a sail rig with a gaff or yard, the traditional place for the US
Ensign (either the 50 stars or the circle & anchor version) is at the
peak of the gaff, that is at the top, rear edge of the sail, on the
aftermost mast in the case of vessels with more than one mast. The
2/3s up the leech on a marconi sail came about in approximation of
where the gaff would be if the sail were a gaff main with a topsail set
above.
The Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Power Squadron both have info on
flag protocol on their web sites.
Bob
vacation for a week an d am working my way through a weeks worth of
Bolger Digests.
On a sail rig with a gaff or yard, the traditional place for the US
Ensign (either the 50 stars or the circle & anchor version) is at the
peak of the gaff, that is at the top, rear edge of the sail, on the
aftermost mast in the case of vessels with more than one mast. The
2/3s up the leech on a marconi sail came about in approximation of
where the gaff would be if the sail were a gaff main with a topsail set
above.
The Coast Guard Auxiliary and the US Power Squadron both have info on
flag protocol on their web sites.
Bob