Re: Oldshoe plywood needs.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, fountainb@s... wrote:
$300 for wiring, licensing
repairs to work trailerand relicencingot work trailer 100%TD
etc
1.5 tonnes of batteries to the scrap man last year so dont worry on
this one(?), $200 for miscellaneous hardware.
built all SS fittings last time still havelots of SS
in our stockpile.
etc and assuming you are going with a tarp sail
certainly not I have 2 large headsails of 300ft2 waiting to cut
down . wevegot the sailmaking down pat now . cost of schooner main
was $ 45.00 in tarp repairs. 100%TD
and no engine,
would have change for a brand new motor as small 2nd handers have a
tendency to be corroded. This would probably be the biggest single
expence
time.
. Do I sound like Im trying to convince myselftoo?
I hope this is not being read by the taxman.
cheers Paul
> pauldayau wrote:cruiser
> > At 8 sheets of 6mm plus $450 for epoxy this would be a cheap
> > Keep in mind Ive got all the wood and cloth for everything else.ply via timber account 100%tax deduction
> > Johns problem is that if he bought a FG or built ply boatthe
> > maintainence etc would be beyond his budget. $3500 is out of the
> > budget in one hit.
>
> Allow $50/sheet, $450 for epoxy,
$300 for wiring, licensing
repairs to work trailerand relicencingot work trailer 100%TD
etc
> on the trailer,$100 for lead
1.5 tonnes of batteries to the scrap man last year so dont worry on
this one(?), $200 for miscellaneous hardware.
built all SS fittings last time still havelots of SS
> paintbunnings account 100% TD rope we have 300m of retired climbing rope
in our stockpile.
etc and assuming you are going with a tarp sail
certainly not I have 2 large headsails of 300ft2 waiting to cut
down . wevegot the sailmaking down pat now . cost of schooner main
was $ 45.00 in tarp repairs. 100%TD
and no engine,
would have change for a brand new motor as small 2nd handers have a
tendency to be corroded. This would probably be the biggest single
expence
> I make that roughly $1450.Kepp in mind that the is almost 70 ,willbe singlehanding 90% of the
time.
. Do I sound like Im trying to convince myselftoo?
I hope this is not being read by the taxman.
cheers Paul
>
> Just checked the quokka:
>
> HALF CABIN bondwood/f/glass, Hartley, 21', cabin, sail boat,
> full alum mast, main sail, spinnakers, fully rigged, suit shallow
> water sailing, built 1995, needs paint, tandem brake back trailer,
> both lic, must sell $2250 ono. Mndrh. 0423-168-926
>
> DINGHY Heron, incl sail & trolley $450. Ardrs. 9364-6540
>
> YACHT wooden, 16', needs work, suit restoration $400 ono.
> S Yunderup. 0421-709-780
>
> YACHT 18' Red Jacket, on lic trailer, gd cond, all sails gd cond,
> Genoa jib & spinnaker, 9.9hp Evinrude o/board with low hrs,
> (2) life jackets, flares, new seat covers, must sell $2900 ono.
> Wann. 0411-480-214
>
> These are from the website which only shows repeat ads - the
> real bargains go the first week. The Red Jacket would be a
> good deal, and you could probably get the price down to
> around $2200. It is hard to imagine a lower maintenance boat
> than the RJ.
>
> Not saying you shouldn't build an oldshoe, just suggesting
> that perhaps the economic arguments aren't so good. If your
> friend is keen to build a boat then sure, go for it. I
> personally don't see much virtue in the oldshoe apart from
> stability. No doubt someone will enlighten me.
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
pauldayau wrote:
on the trailer, $100 for lead (?), $200 for miscellaneous hardware
paint etc and assuming you are going with a tarp sail and no engine,
I make that roughly $1450.
Just checked the quokka:
HALF CABIN bondwood/f/glass, Hartley, 21', cabin, sail boat,
full alum mast, main sail, spinnakers, fully rigged, suit shallow
water sailing, built 1995, needs paint, tandem brake back trailer,
both lic, must sell $2250 ono. Mndrh. 0423-168-926
DINGHY Heron, incl sail & trolley $450. Ardrs. 9364-6540
YACHT wooden, 16', needs work, suit restoration $400 ono.
S Yunderup. 0421-709-780
YACHT 18' Red Jacket, on lic trailer, gd cond, all sails gd cond,
Genoa jib & spinnaker, 9.9hp Evinrude o/board with low hrs,
(2) life jackets, flares, new seat covers, must sell $2900 ono.
Wann. 0411-480-214
These are from the website which only shows repeat ads - the
real bargains go the first week. The Red Jacket would be a
good deal, and you could probably get the price down to
around $2200. It is hard to imagine a lower maintenance boat
than the RJ.
Not saying you shouldn't build an oldshoe, just suggesting
that perhaps the economic arguments aren't so good. If your
friend is keen to build a boat then sure, go for it. I
personally don't see much virtue in the oldshoe apart from
stability. No doubt someone will enlighten me.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> At 8 sheets of 6mm plus $450 for epoxy this would be a cheap cruiserAllow $50/sheet, $450 for epoxy, $300 for wiring, licensing etc
> Keep in mind Ive got all the wood and cloth for everything else.
> Johns problem is that if he bought a FG or built ply boatthe
> maintainence etc would be beyond his budget. $3500 is out of the
> budget in one hit.
on the trailer, $100 for lead (?), $200 for miscellaneous hardware
paint etc and assuming you are going with a tarp sail and no engine,
I make that roughly $1450.
Just checked the quokka:
HALF CABIN bondwood/f/glass, Hartley, 21', cabin, sail boat,
full alum mast, main sail, spinnakers, fully rigged, suit shallow
water sailing, built 1995, needs paint, tandem brake back trailer,
both lic, must sell $2250 ono. Mndrh. 0423-168-926
DINGHY Heron, incl sail & trolley $450. Ardrs. 9364-6540
YACHT wooden, 16', needs work, suit restoration $400 ono.
S Yunderup. 0421-709-780
YACHT 18' Red Jacket, on lic trailer, gd cond, all sails gd cond,
Genoa jib & spinnaker, 9.9hp Evinrude o/board with low hrs,
(2) life jackets, flares, new seat covers, must sell $2900 ono.
Wann. 0411-480-214
These are from the website which only shows repeat ads - the
real bargains go the first week. The Red Jacket would be a
good deal, and you could probably get the price down to
around $2200. It is hard to imagine a lower maintenance boat
than the RJ.
Not saying you shouldn't build an oldshoe, just suggesting
that perhaps the economic arguments aren't so good. If your
friend is keen to build a boat then sure, go for it. I
personally don't see much virtue in the oldshoe apart from
stability. No doubt someone will enlighten me.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
You, of course, have already read the
Square Boats website Oldshoe page at
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/oldshoe.htm
reprinting the Australian Amateur Boat Builder
1996 article about Oldshoe.
Don't take me wrong, good reasons to build
a boat include: that it is fun, and that you get
to have a unique boat. Building an Oldshoe
would definitely be fun and unique.
Though, where I live, if you ask around the marinas
and boat storage yards, you can find old neglected
boats available nearly for free, or for the cost of the
back-due storage fees. But then you would
own an old plastic boat, and who would want that?
(even if it was cheaper than building an Oldshoe.)
Square Boats website Oldshoe page at
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/oldshoe.htm
reprinting the Australian Amateur Boat Builder
1996 article about Oldshoe.
Don't take me wrong, good reasons to build
a boat include: that it is fun, and that you get
to have a unique boat. Building an Oldshoe
would definitely be fun and unique.
Though, where I live, if you ask around the marinas
and boat storage yards, you can find old neglected
boats available nearly for free, or for the cost of the
back-due storage fees. But then you would
own an old plastic boat, and who would want that?
(even if it was cheaper than building an Oldshoe.)
> > I have a friend close to retirement, who wants a small trailertax
> >sailer.he wont ever be able to save the money, so I suggested he
> >build one. Hes a carpenter.. The plan would be to claim it all on
> >as you build. Ive just read a good reporton the boat and think itAt 8 sheets of 6mm plus $450 for epoxy this would be a cheap cruiser
> >would be worth a better look at.
>
> I would have to concur with Lincoln. 2nd hand boats are pretty
> cheap round here, which is probably where your friend would be
> looking to buy (I assume the boat market in Kalgoorlie is a
> little slow :-). For about AU$3500 you can pick up a hartley
> TS16, with trailer and outboard. You couldn't buy the plywood
> for an oldshoe for that.
Keep in mind Ive got all the wood and cloth for everything else.
Johns problem is that if he bought a FG or built ply boatthe
maintainence etc would be beyond his budget. $3500 is out of the
budget in one hit. The sheer simplicity of old shoe and the reality
that it will fit all his needs is what attracts me . he will be
singlehanding all the time aruond the W.A. rivers, estuaries.
The one sail Ive had on a TS16 i spent the day leaning out..
The 200 lbs of lead in the keel would be just the ticket. no boards
to raise.
sheer lack of expensive yacht fittings,SSwire,fancy cut sails are all
plusses. he has spent years "saving" for his boat and then giving it
to the tax man . My idea is to build something that utilzes the
things he has. time and materials. Keep in mind I put the folding
schooner on the waterfor $3000,with trailer.
Ive now got enough wood stockpiled to build 2 schooners, except the
ply . Come to think of it theres enough steel and wheels out back for
another trailer.
things to ponder over.
anybody on the list got any sailing experiences to relate on OLDSHOE.
cheers Paul.
not another boat!
Building a boat to save money is a bad idea.
The only reasons I would build boats is if I
want a unique boat, and for the fun of building
boats.
The only reasons I would build boats is if I
want a unique boat, and for the fun of building
boats.
Lincoln Ross wrote:
cheap round here, which is probably where your friend would be
looking to buy (I assume the boat market in Kalgoorlie is a
little slow :-). For about AU$3500 you can pick up a hartley
TS16, with trailer and outboard. You couldn't buy the plywood
for an oldshoe for that. The TS16 would have to be one of the
best little trailer sailers going - sleeps two, great performance,
huge cockpit, light, shallow draft. If you are patient you can
pick them up even cheaper.
The TS16 is plywood. Used trailerable fibreglass boats are actually
a bit more expensive around here, although you could probably pick
up a redjacket for the same price if you keep your eye open. That
is a fun little boat too.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> Is that for real? Used fiberglass boats, the last time I checked, areI would have to concur with Lincoln. 2nd hand boats are pretty
> awfully cheap.
>pauldayau wrote:
>
> Evening all , hows the drinking going? Ihave a question on Oldshoe.
>How many sheets of ply and what thicknesses are needed to build this
>little 12 footer.
> I have a friend close to retirement, who wants a small trailer
>sailer.he wont ever be able to save the money, so I suggested he
>build one. Hes a carpenter.. The plan would be to claim it all on tax
>as you build. Ive just read a good reporton the boat and think it
>would be worth a better look at.
cheap round here, which is probably where your friend would be
looking to buy (I assume the boat market in Kalgoorlie is a
little slow :-). For about AU$3500 you can pick up a hartley
TS16, with trailer and outboard. You couldn't buy the plywood
for an oldshoe for that. The TS16 would have to be one of the
best little trailer sailers going - sleeps two, great performance,
huge cockpit, light, shallow draft. If you are patient you can
pick them up even cheaper.
The TS16 is plywood. Used trailerable fibreglass boats are actually
a bit more expensive around here, although you could probably pick
up a redjacket for the same price if you keep your eye open. That
is a fun little boat too.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Is that for real? Used fiberglass boats, the last time I checked, are
awfully cheap. A friend of mine got a 24 footer with a 10hp four stroke
on it and a trailer (I think) for about $6k a couple of years ago. I
should think a little boat would go for a third of that, or less. (In
fact a year or two before that, my friend got a Chrysler Buccaneer with
trailer for what I recall was indeed around $2k. Not that I'd recommned
a Buccaneer for a retired guy unless he was still pretty vigorous. ) Of
course it wouldn't be an Oldshoe, and it wouldn't be built by him, but
it might cost less. Especially if he's willing to do a little work on
it. If he wanted to do a lot of work it might be almost for free. I
don't think people should build unless either they really like to build
or what they want isn't available commercially, or for some reason it
has to be "new". Building just to save money probably doesn't make much
sense otherwise.
awfully cheap. A friend of mine got a 24 footer with a 10hp four stroke
on it and a trailer (I think) for about $6k a couple of years ago. I
should think a little boat would go for a third of that, or less. (In
fact a year or two before that, my friend got a Chrysler Buccaneer with
trailer for what I recall was indeed around $2k. Not that I'd recommned
a Buccaneer for a retired guy unless he was still pretty vigorous. ) Of
course it wouldn't be an Oldshoe, and it wouldn't be built by him, but
it might cost less. Especially if he's willing to do a little work on
it. If he wanted to do a lot of work it might be almost for free. I
don't think people should build unless either they really like to build
or what they want isn't available commercially, or for some reason it
has to be "new". Building just to save money probably doesn't make much
sense otherwise.
>pauldayau wrote:
>
> Evening all , hows the drinking going? Ihave a question on Oldshoe.
>How many sheets of ply and what thicknesses are needed to build this
>little 12 footer.
> I have a friend close to retirement, who wants a small trailer
>sailer.he wont ever be able to save the money, so I suggested he
>build one. Hes a carpenter.. The plan would be to claim it all on tax
>as you build. Ive just read a good reporton the boat and think it
>would be worth a better look at.
> cheers paul
>
Paul,
Best recollection with out the plans in hand is 8
sheets 1/4 inch with the suggestion to double or
tripple the bottom. I think there is one in my
future. I think 5/16 MDO might be my choice. The boat
is really slick with the wet areas in front and back.
I was disapointed to find that the two Yahoo groups
dedicated to the breed had no significant archives (or
at least none left now that they are accepting
membership again). Please keep us up to date with
words and pictures if you start anything.
Gene T.
--- pauldayau <wattleweedooseeds@...> wrote:
Best recollection with out the plans in hand is 8
sheets 1/4 inch with the suggestion to double or
tripple the bottom. I think there is one in my
future. I think 5/16 MDO might be my choice. The boat
is really slick with the wet areas in front and back.
I was disapointed to find that the two Yahoo groups
dedicated to the breed had no significant archives (or
at least none left now that they are accepting
membership again). Please keep us up to date with
words and pictures if you start anything.
Gene T.
--- pauldayau <wattleweedooseeds@...> wrote:
> Evening all , hows the drinking going? Ihave a...
> question on Oldshoe.
> How many sheets of ply and what thicknesses are
> needed to build this
> little 12 footer.
> cheers paul
Evening all , hows the drinking going? Ihave a question on Oldshoe.
How many sheets of ply and what thicknesses are needed to build this
little 12 footer.
I have a friend close to retirement, who wants a small trailer
sailer.he wont ever be able to save the money, so I suggested he
build one. Hes a carpenter.. The plan would be to claim it all on tax
as you build. Ive just read a good reporton the boat and think it
would be worth a better look at.
cheers paul
How many sheets of ply and what thicknesses are needed to build this
little 12 footer.
I have a friend close to retirement, who wants a small trailer
sailer.he wont ever be able to save the money, so I suggested he
build one. Hes a carpenter.. The plan would be to claim it all on tax
as you build. Ive just read a good reporton the boat and think it
would be worth a better look at.
cheers paul