[bolger] Re: A slightly smaller Chebacco?
Glen, build a Hartley TS18 (non Bolger) then. I have a Hartley TS16 and
somebody commented the other day that in essence it is a smaller
version of a Chebacco. The hull has the same look, but not the same
sail plan. You can build a Hartley from 14vt(non-cabin), 16vt(cabin),
18vt(cabin) to 21vt(cabin) and they go very well in rough stuff, ask us
here in the roaring 40's of south New Zealand. They are light and easy
trailer too.
regards Paul (Hartley TS16 "Just Fun")
somebody commented the other day that in essence it is a smaller
version of a Chebacco. The hull has the same look, but not the same
sail plan. You can build a Hartley from 14vt(non-cabin), 16vt(cabin),
18vt(cabin) to 21vt(cabin) and they go very well in rough stuff, ask us
here in the roaring 40's of south New Zealand. They are light and easy
trailer too.
regards Paul (Hartley TS16 "Just Fun")
Glen, The Chebacco (as drawn) is a fantastic boat, but trying to reduce
it may not (read will not) work out as you hope. Check out the Micro and
Long Micro for an idea of the changes necessary to change to size of a
boat and you will see why designers try to prevent fractional or
percentage changes in boat size. After all is said and done, I think
your best bet would be go for the Micro and as stated on this list
within the last few months, you will get the most bang for the buck.
Just my NON biased (he-he) opinion.
Stan, Snow Goose, The mother of all Stern wheeled Micro tugs.
it may not (read will not) work out as you hope. Check out the Micro and
Long Micro for an idea of the changes necessary to change to size of a
boat and you will see why designers try to prevent fractional or
percentage changes in boat size. After all is said and done, I think
your best bet would be go for the Micro and as stated on this list
within the last few months, you will get the most bang for the buck.
Just my NON biased (he-he) opinion.
Stan, Snow Goose, The mother of all Stern wheeled Micro tugs.
> WhatI understand the there are ways in which Chebacco and Micro are
> would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
> as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
> easy).
comparable, but in many ways they are not. If you have narrowed your
choices to a 20' boat and 14' boat, then I wonder if you are not
placing artificial limits on your choices.
1st answer: If you want a Chebacco, build a Chebacco and deal with the
any problems caused by its size. Perhaps after the next earthquake,
you'll have more room in your yard. (Smug as we Easterners are about
the stability of our section of the planet, geologists warn us that we
could get dumped into the ocean too.)
2nd answer: In general, its best to change boats by shortening them
while leaving beam the same. Many boats with a little stern overhang
can just have a little length taken off the transom. (The Norwalk
Island Sharpie 22 is one: effectively removing the plywood motor
bracket and putting on a metal one.) I'm not sure that I would put
Chebacco in this category. Otherwise, just build the boat with the
frames closer together.
You might check the length of all the Chebacco versions. The 1st
version with an outboard rudder may be somewhat shorter.
3rd answer: Since Long Micro is effectively just a long Micro, it's
clear that a boat could be built at any length in between. This would
be a lesser design chore than a redesign of Chebacco.
4th answer: Build a Folding Schooner. Each half will fit, no problem.
Peter
Hi,
Build the Micro or build outside. There is a nice Norwalk Island Sharpie, by
Bruce Kirby at:http://pages.slic.com/wempsall/page2.html- that you might
consider. There is no way that you will be unhappy with a Micro, and a real
possibility that you will be unhappy with the results of a shrunk Chewy and
you won't in any case be happier than you would with a Micor if the
experiment works out, so why do it.
Chuck C.
In a message dated 3/17/00 7:04:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
glen_gibson@...writes:
<< Hello! My name is Glen Gibson, from California, USA. I've been
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect. >>
Build the Micro or build outside. There is a nice Norwalk Island Sharpie, by
Bruce Kirby at:http://pages.slic.com/wempsall/page2.html- that you might
consider. There is no way that you will be unhappy with a Micro, and a real
possibility that you will be unhappy with the results of a shrunk Chewy and
you won't in any case be happier than you would with a Micor if the
experiment works out, so why do it.
Chuck C.
In a message dated 3/17/00 7:04:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
glen_gibson@...writes:
<< Hello! My name is Glen Gibson, from California, USA. I've been
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect. >>
Hi, Glen
If this is your first boat, I would choose the one that fits your space, or
build outside. There are enough challenges without adding any new ones.
Also, you may not be able to sell a modified boat as easily when the time
comes. (I've never yet sold a boat, but the yard is getting full up so I'm
starting to think of these things.)
I built my Chebacco outside in a wetter climate than yours, I believe,
(Victoria, British Columbia) and while it was inconvenient, it worked.
Understanding neighbors are a requirement, unless you can hide the shelter
in back -- I used a blue polytarp lean-to at the end of the house. It has
stood up to all kinds of severe weather, but I have often fantasized about
building inside, with good light, heating, and a floor.
Either way, go for it!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Gibson [mailto:glen_gibson@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:38 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] A slightly smaller Chebacco?
Hello! My name is Glen Gibson, from California, USA. I've been
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect.
I know the traditional response to such a request is "DON'T DO IT, IF
THE
DESIGNER WANTED AN 18 FOOT BOAT, HE WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!",
etc. (Mr. Bolger, if you're out there, I would value your opinion
greatly). I really like the boat, and it might be an even more
interesting project to see what happens with a slightly smaller version.
Plan would be to maintain the same materials, ply thickness, etc. I
plan
on starting this summer <grin>
And yes, I have looked at the Catfish Beachcruiser, but prefer the
Chebacco and Micro.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks, and good sailing!!!
Glen Gibson
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If this is your first boat, I would choose the one that fits your space, or
build outside. There are enough challenges without adding any new ones.
Also, you may not be able to sell a modified boat as easily when the time
comes. (I've never yet sold a boat, but the yard is getting full up so I'm
starting to think of these things.)
I built my Chebacco outside in a wetter climate than yours, I believe,
(Victoria, British Columbia) and while it was inconvenient, it worked.
Understanding neighbors are a requirement, unless you can hide the shelter
in back -- I used a blue polytarp lean-to at the end of the house. It has
stood up to all kinds of severe weather, but I have often fantasized about
building inside, with good light, heating, and a floor.
Either way, go for it!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Gibson [mailto:glen_gibson@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:38 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] A slightly smaller Chebacco?
Hello! My name is Glen Gibson, from California, USA. I've been
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect.
I know the traditional response to such a request is "DON'T DO IT, IF
THE
DESIGNER WANTED AN 18 FOOT BOAT, HE WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!",
etc. (Mr. Bolger, if you're out there, I would value your opinion
greatly). I really like the boat, and it might be an even more
interesting project to see what happens with a slightly smaller version.
Plan would be to maintain the same materials, ply thickness, etc. I
plan
on starting this summer <grin>
And yes, I have looked at the Catfish Beachcruiser, but prefer the
Chebacco and Micro.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks, and good sailing!!!
Glen Gibson
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"glen gibson" <glen_gibso-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3739
reduction in length, it would be something like 3/4, or less, of a
Chebacco's capacity. You also have to reduce the sail area by 1/4 or
more. The location and shape of the sails may not work the same as for
the bigger boat because they are reduced by a different fraction than
the hull is.
I remember this from David Gerr's "The Nature of Boats." You should
read that before going ahead with your redesign.
You write of maintaining the same scantlings, which would make it
heavier for its length than Chebacco. . . it's a can of worms. Are you
sure there is no pretty, well-sailing, easy-to-build 18' Bolger boat?
Carter Kennedy
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3739
> WhatThe boat's capacity goes down by something like the cube of the
> would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco
>
reduction in length, it would be something like 3/4, or less, of a
Chebacco's capacity. You also have to reduce the sail area by 1/4 or
more. The location and shape of the sails may not work the same as for
the bigger boat because they are reduced by a different fraction than
the hull is.
I remember this from David Gerr's "The Nature of Boats." You should
read that before going ahead with your redesign.
You write of maintaining the same scantlings, which would make it
heavier for its length than Chebacco. . . it's a can of worms. Are you
sure there is no pretty, well-sailing, easy-to-build 18' Bolger boat?
Carter Kennedy
What about the Long Micro? 19 ft long and you wont have to change the
original design.
Bjorn in Oslo
original design.
Bjorn in Oslo
Hello! My name is Glen Gibson, from California, USA. I've been
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect.
I know the traditional response to such a request is "DON'T DO IT, IF
THE
DESIGNER WANTED AN 18 FOOT BOAT, HE WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!",
etc. (Mr. Bolger, if you're out there, I would value your opinion
greatly). I really like the boat, and it might be an even more
interesting project to see what happens with a slightly smaller version.
Plan would be to maintain the same materials, ply thickness, etc. I
plan
on starting this summer <grin>
And yes, I have looked at the Catfish Beachcruiser, but prefer the
Chebacco and Micro.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks, and good sailing!!!
Glen Gibson
planning
on building a boat for a few years, and have narrowed my choices down to
between the Micro and the plywood Chebacco. Both great boats, and I
believe within my woodworking skills.
One question: My preferred maximim size for my boat would be about 18
feet long by 7 feet wide, and of course Chebacco is slightly larger
than this.
This has to do with my building location (garage) and storage place.
What
would you guys think about a 11/12ths version of the Chebacco (chosen
as it's the right size and would make laying out the parts pretty
easy). This would result in a boat about 18 feet long and 6 feet, 9
inches wide, perfect.
I know the traditional response to such a request is "DON'T DO IT, IF
THE
DESIGNER WANTED AN 18 FOOT BOAT, HE WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!",
etc. (Mr. Bolger, if you're out there, I would value your opinion
greatly). I really like the boat, and it might be an even more
interesting project to see what happens with a slightly smaller version.
Plan would be to maintain the same materials, ply thickness, etc. I
plan
on starting this summer <grin>
And yes, I have looked at the Catfish Beachcruiser, but prefer the
Chebacco and Micro.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks, and good sailing!!!
Glen Gibson