Re: Off schooning
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@y...> wrote:
make cups of coffee from the ingredients whilst working both the jib
and foresail. we even spaced out the coffee by passing a bottle of
green ginger wine back and forth.
Now we are getting to the whole point of the exercise.
the longest leg on the lake was only 500metres and every time we
tacked up to one end of the lake the wind would shift and we would
have to tack back again
cheers paul
> How fast do you think you got your Folding Schooner going?for 3 hours without having to move our bodies. My mate John would
>
> I do believe youve missed the whole point of the day. we SCOONed
make cups of coffee from the ingredients whilst working both the jib
and foresail. we even spaced out the coffee by passing a bottle of
green ginger wine back and forth.
Now we are getting to the whole point of the exercise.
the longest leg on the lake was only 500metres and every time we
tacked up to one end of the lake the wind would shift and we would
have to tack back again
cheers paul
Does anybody have the book "The Origin of the Schooner Rig,�� by Mr. L. G.
Carr-Laughton, the Librarian of the British Admiralty. He says that the
�essentials of the schooner rig are two gaff sails and a headsail, all
beyond is accidental�. He also says that embryonic schooners without a
headsail were being used in Holland as early as 1630. I read the book some
years back but this quote is from a review of the book and I don�t have a
copy to hand.
Bob
Carr-Laughton, the Librarian of the British Admiralty. He says that the
�essentials of the schooner rig are two gaff sails and a headsail, all
beyond is accidental�. He also says that embryonic schooners without a
headsail were being used in Holland as early as 1630. I read the book some
years back but this quote is from a review of the book and I don�t have a
copy to hand.
Bob
Here is a good link of the history of the Schooner...
http://www.schooner.org/tel/localhistory.htm
http://www.schooner.org/tel/localhistory.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> "Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with
a
> foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast
is
> always taller than the foremast.
>
> When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly
they
> are very similar.
>
> One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester
Massachusetts
> in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that
when
> it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed
across
> the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
> England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a
schooner
> was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
>
> We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions
were
> a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
> close-hauled.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 06:36 AM, pauldayau wrote:
>
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> It's spelled S C O O N I N G
> >>
> >> YIBB,
> >>
> >> David
> > Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has
but a
> > simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> > chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties
english
> > when we write. And I mean WE.
> > If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you
were
> > a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> > well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> > knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> > then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> > the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya
folded
> > polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
> >
> >
> > what a joy this beautiful boat is
> > cheers paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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How fast do you think you got your Folding Schooner going?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...>
wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:a
> > It's spelled S C O O N I N G
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but
> simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get noenglish
> chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties
> when we write. And I mean WE.were
> If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you
> a cyber sailor with a dictionary.folded
> well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya
> polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
>
>
> what a joy this beautiful boat is
> cheers paul
> I thought the word schooner was anglisied from the Dutch wordThe origins of the term 'cat boat" are also obscure. It's my
> meaning a small two-masted boat...
impression that there was consensus on the meaning of "ship" (as a
rig), but there was variation and dispute about bark, barquentine,
brig, etc. Trying to be definitive about small boat type names is
hopeless.
Peter
> One of the first Schooners...I just was re-reading 103 Boat Rigs hoping to
find Bolger's take on the origin of the Schooner.
Bolger makes distinctions between
Cat Schooners, Schooners, and
Three Masted Schooners. He makes one
reference of the Schooner rig 84 being
derivative of the earlier Cat Schooner rig 71,
but in my quick check, I found no mention
of the origin of the Schooner in his book
I thought the word schooner was anglisied from the Dutch word meaning a small two-masted boat, could be wrong though, I'd have to check in a book my father's got, next time I'm down the coast.
David Ryan <david@...> wrote:"Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with a
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
David Ryan <david@...> wrote:"Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with a
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 06:36 AM, pauldayau wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> It's spelled S C O O N I N G
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
> Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but a
> simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties english
> when we write. And I mean WE.
> If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you were
> a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya folded
> polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
>
>
> what a joy this beautiful boat is
> cheers paul
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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SCHOONER, a vessel rigged with fore and aft sails, properly with two masts,
but now often with three, four and sometimes more masts; they are much used
in the coasting trade, and require a smaller crew in proportion to their
size than squarerigged vessels (see RIGGING and SHIP). According to the
story, which is probably true, the name arose from a chance spectators
exclamation there she scoons, i.e. glides, slips free, at the launch of the
first vessel of this type at Gloucester, Massachusetts, in 1713, her builder
being one Andrew Robinson. The spelling schooner is due to a supposed
derivation from the Dutch schooner, but that and the other European
equivalents, Ger. Schoner, Dan. skonnert, Span. and Portuguese escuna, &c.,
are all from English. To scoon, according to Skeat, is a Scottish
(Clydesdale) dialect word, meaning to skip over water like a flat stone, and
is ultimately connected with the root, implying quick motion, seen in shoot,
scud, &c. In American colloquial usage schooner is applied to the covered
prairie-wagons used by the emigrants moving westward before the construction
of railways, and to a tall, narrow, lager-beer glass.
_____
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:59 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Off schooning
"Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with a
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
but now often with three, four and sometimes more masts; they are much used
in the coasting trade, and require a smaller crew in proportion to their
size than squarerigged vessels (see RIGGING and SHIP). According to the
story, which is probably true, the name arose from a chance spectators
exclamation there she scoons, i.e. glides, slips free, at the launch of the
first vessel of this type at Gloucester, Massachusetts, in 1713, her builder
being one Andrew Robinson. The spelling schooner is due to a supposed
derivation from the Dutch schooner, but that and the other European
equivalents, Ger. Schoner, Dan. skonnert, Span. and Portuguese escuna, &c.,
are all from English. To scoon, according to Skeat, is a Scottish
(Clydesdale) dialect word, meaning to skip over water like a flat stone, and
is ultimately connected with the root, implying quick motion, seen in shoot,
scud, &c. In American colloquial usage schooner is applied to the covered
prairie-wagons used by the emigrants moving westward before the construction
of railways, and to a tall, narrow, lager-beer glass.
_____
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:59 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Off schooning
"Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with a
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 06:36 AM, pauldayau wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> It's spelled S C O O N I N G
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
> Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but a
> simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties english
> when we write. And I mean WE.
> If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you were
> a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya folded
> polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
>
>
> what a joy this beautiful boat is
> cheers paul
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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"Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with a
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast is
always taller than the foremast.
When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly they
are very similar.
One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester Massachusetts
in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that when
it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed across
the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a schooner
was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions were
a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
close-hauled.
YIBB,
David
On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 06:36 AM, pauldayau wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> It's spelled S C O O N I N G
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
> Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but a
> simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties english
> when we write. And I mean WE.
> If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you were
> a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya folded
> polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
>
>
> what a joy this beautiful boat is
> cheers paul
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties english
when we write. And I mean WE.
If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you were
a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya folded
polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
what a joy this beautiful boat is
cheers paul
> It's spelled S C O O N I N GAh but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but a
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties english
when we write. And I mean WE.
If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you were
a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya folded
polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
what a joy this beautiful boat is
cheers paul
It's spelled S C O O N I N G
YIBB,
David
YIBB,
David
On Saturday, July 10, 2004, at 07:49 AM, pauldayau wrote:
> Forecat is for perfect weather tommorrow so Im of schooning with a
> mate . this will be the first time weve sailed 2 up ,so it will be
> interesting. It will be a good chance to see if my new recut sail
> has improved.
> cheers Paul
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Forecat is for perfect weather tommorrow so Im of schooning with a
mate . this will be the first time weve sailed 2 up ,so it will be
interesting. It will be a good chance to see if my new recut sail
has improved.
cheers Paul
mate . this will be the first time weve sailed 2 up ,so it will be
interesting. It will be a good chance to see if my new recut sail
has improved.
cheers Paul