Re: [bolger] Digest Number 2087
Well, there is a solution : "dual" measuring tapes : metric and inches and
feet..
But you will end up using the one that is on the blueprint ( as I did)
Good luck anyway
feet..
But you will end up using the one that is on the blueprint ( as I did)
Good luck anyway
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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Digest Number 2087
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: epoxy and finishing......i.e.how long till i can paint?
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
2. Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
3. RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
4. Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: Grupos <grupos@...>
5. RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Robert Gainer" <robert_gainer@...>
6. Re: Off schooning
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
7. Re: Off schooning
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
8. RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@...>
9. Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
10. RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
11. Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
12. RE: Re: Off schooning
From: "Robert Gainer" <robert_gainer@...>
13. Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
14. Re: Building a bait live well?
From: "alternateuser2001" <alternateuser2001@...>
15. Re: Re: epoxy and finishing......i.e.how long till i can paint?
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
16. Re: birdwatcher
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
17. Re: birdwatcher
From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
18. Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: fountainb@...
19. anyone building Bolger's board? (boardsail parts)
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
20. Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
21. Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Robin Badenoch" <robinbadenoch@...>
22. Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
23. RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
From: Marius Lubbe - Creative MindsR HQ <marius@...>
24. Re: birdwatcher
From: datenmull@...
25. Re: birdwatcher
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:22:05 -0700
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
Subject: Re: epoxy and finishing......i.e.how long till i can paint?
Save yourself some grief and sand after it's had quite a while (say a
week) to cure. If you're going to do scraping, which is often much nicer
than sanding, do it fairly soon after the epoxy job, the sooner the
easier after some reasonable amount of cure. Don't forget to wash off
the blush. In hot weather, the epoxy will cure much faster. Not based on
anything formal, but I bet after a week in the summertime (80 to 90F
daytime), that epoxy will be pretty hard and ready to paint. Probably
cure even faster if you put a polyethylene tarp over it for warmth, but
you'd better be careful not to let it overheat from direct sun in that
case. I forget, but if it was my job I'd aim at keeping it under 110 or
120F.
I don't know anything about Interlux Brightside, but I've used
California Paints Acrylic Latex Troubleshooter Primer (from several
years ago) and it grips tenaciously. Can't even scrape it off without a
lot of trouble. Also seems to dry hard in a reasonable amount of time,
unlike some latex paints. Murphy's law says they've reformulated it.
Whatever primer and paint you use, do a test sample to avoid unpleasant
surprises.
>Jason Stancil wrote:
>
>So i'm slathering, slinging and spreading epoxy in all the micro's
>nooks and crannies.(note to anyone on the verge of starting to
>build: coat your panels FIRST) I'll give it some sanding and then i
>wait.....? How long? Is a 3 week wait overkill to let the epoxy cure
>before priming the interior. I'd rather be safe than sorry as i'd
>like to get a good bond (interlux brightside primer).
>
>Also the boat is too big now, so i've got to get it out in the yard.
>Do i need to be concerned about the epoxy being exposed to the uv
>for a month.....or is that not enough time to do any significant
>damage.
>
>Thanks,
>Jason
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:55:58 -0000
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
Subject: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Marius,
I'm one of the lucky ones who are more-or-less imperial-metric
bilingual, having grown up with feet and inches, learning metric at
school and finding it easy to handle when it came into force here
about 40 years ago.
There are between 100 and 150 dimensions on the plan that need to be
converted, although some would be duplicates. You could use Excel or
a similar spreadsheet to do it, but of course you would have to enter
all those feet, inches and eighths. You might be able to find a
bilingual steel tape, such as is still fairly readily available here,
and probably in Britain, where they have not yet taken metric
seriously. It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket calculator
that would do the conversion.
There is another slight problem: metric plywood is 2400 x 1200.
Imperial plywood is 8' x 4', which is close to 2440 x 1220. The plan
is laid out on 8' x 4' sheets of ply. I haven't analysed this
thoroughly but I can see, for example, that the butts in the ply
sides and bottom will have to be moved if you use metric ply. You
might be able to buy 8 x 4 ply (it's still available here imported
from Malaysia), or you could scale down the dimensions slightly when
doing the conversion, so that the boat is slightly smaller; i.e. you
would convert so that 4' becomes 1200mm.
Or if you really wanted to have fun, you could scale up the plan, to
make the boat bigger. A Diablo scaled x 1.5 linear would have 3.375
times the weight, volume, load capacity and power requirement!
Hope this is useful.
Howard
Gold Coast
Australia
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Marius Lubbe - Creative MindsR HQ
<marius@c...> wrote:
> Does anyone have the plans for Diablo in metric form please, it
will save me
> a lot of time converting!
>
> Thanks
> Marius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:02:37 -0400
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Gentlemen,
I use just such a calculator; they're fairly common in US-based DIY stores,
and are probably readily available via the internet. Mine is a ProjectCalc
Model 8515 by Calculated Industries. I forget the price, but it was quite
reasonable. It will convert metric to feet/inches/fractions and vice versa.
A useful tool when you work in both metric and Imperial as we do here.
David
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From: Howard Stephenson [mailto:stephensonhw@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:56 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
<snip> It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket calculator
that would do the conversion. <snip>
Howard
Gold Coast
Australia
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Marius Lubbe - Creative MindsR HQ
<marius@c...> wrote:
> Does anyone have the plans for Diablo in metric form please, it
will save me
> a lot of time converting!
>
> Thanks
> Marius
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:35:07 -0300
From: Grupos <grupos@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
> seriously. It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket calculator
> that would do the conversion.
http://www.promax.com.ar/conversor.htm
Regards, Máximo.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:53:24 -0400
From: "Robert Gainer" <robert_gainer@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
What's the advantage to converting all the measurements? If you need to work
in the metric system use a tape in meters. If you need to work in inches use
a tape in inches.
Bob
>From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
>Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:02:37 -0400
>
>Gentlemen,
>I use just such a calculator; they're fairly common in US-based DIY stores,
>and are probably readily available via the internet. Mine is a ProjectCalc
>Model 8515 by Calculated Industries. I forget the price, but it was quite
>reasonable. It will convert metric to feet/inches/fractions and vice
>versa.
>A useful tool when you work in both metric and Imperial as we do here.
>
>David
>
> _____
>
>From: Howard Stephenson [mailto:stephensonhw@...]
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:56 PM
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
>
>
> <snip> It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket calculator
>that would do the conversion. <snip>
>Howard
>Gold Coast
>Australia
>
>
>--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Marius Lubbe - Creative MindsR HQ
><marius@c...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have the plans for Diablo in metric form please, it
>will save me
> > a lot of time converting!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Marius
> >
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:54:30 -0000
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
Subject: Re: Off schooning
How fast do you think you got your Folding Schooner going?
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...>
wrote:
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > It's spelled S C O O N I N G
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has but
a
> simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties
english
> when we write. And I mean WE.
> If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you
were
> a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya
folded
> polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
>
>
> what a joy this beautiful boat is
> cheers paul
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:56:18 -0000
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
Subject: Re: Off schooning
Here is a good link of the history of the Schooner...
http://www.schooner.org/tel/localhistory.htm
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> "Schooners are typically 2-masted fore-and-aft rigged vessels with
a
> foremast and a mainmast stepped nearly amidships. The after mast
is
> always taller than the foremast.
>
> When three masted the masts can be of varying heights but commonly
they
> are very similar.
>
> One of the first Schooners was built here in Gloucester
Massachusetts
> in 1713. It was built by Andrew Robinson and legend has it that
when
> it was first launched a spectator marveled at the way it skimmed
across
> the water. "There she scoons" he called out. Scooning was a New
> England term for skimming across the water. At the time, a
schooner
> was possibly the fastest thing anyone had ever seen."
>
> We had some fine scooning this weekend as well, but the conditions
were
> a little more sporting. Very nearly had the Margaret Ellen planing
> close-hauled.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 06:36 AM, pauldayau wrote:
>
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> It's spelled S C O O N I N G
> >>
> >> YIBB,
> >>
> >> David
> > Ah but david you've got a light scooner, an little ol' me has
but a
> > simple folding SCHooner . out in these backwoods we dont get no
> > chances to speak proper so we tend to stick to her majesties
english
> > when we write. And I mean WE.
> > If I didnt know you were a true sailorand builder Id think you
were
> > a cyber sailor with a dictionary.
> > well the day was some of the best schooning ive had . wind 5-10
> > knots,crew of 2. we didnt move our butts for 3 hours before lunch
> > then another 3 hour sail with 12-15kntsin the a'noon.
> > the highlight was the first setting of a staysail( actuallya
folded
> > polytarp) for a glorious run down the lake, still only 2 handed.
> >
> >
> > what a joy this beautiful boat is
> > cheers paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:58:09 -0500
From: "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there are
precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy conversion
from feet/inches to cm....
--Gabe
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From: Grupos [mailto:grupos@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:35 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
> seriously. It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket calculator
> that would do the conversion.
http://www.promax.com.ar/conversor.htm
Regards, Máximo.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:00:49 -0000
From: "rogerleroy" <rogerleroy@...>
Subject: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
To be exact Gabe, it's actually the opposite: 2.54 cm to 1 inch!
:-)
This link will bring you to a download page to a great converter...
http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@s...>
wrote:
> You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there
are
> precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy
conversion
> from feet/inches to cm....
>
> --Gabe
>
> _____
>
> From: Grupos [mailto:grupos@p...]
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:35 PM
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
>
>
> > seriously. It's a pity someone doesn't produce a pocket
calculator
> > that would do the conversion.
>
> http://www.promax.com.ar/conversor.htm
>
> Regards, Máximo.
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:57:44 -0400
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Great! Now explain to Marius a ready conversion factor to eighths and
sixteenths.... and remember just how many measurements will need to be
calculated for the complete boat. Personally, I prefer metric; but
converting boat plans on the fly is no bed of roses.
David
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From: Gabriel K. McAtee [mailto:gmcatee@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there are
precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy conversion
from feet/inches to cm....
--Gabe
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:06:27 -0400
From: "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Er, Gabe. How about 2.54 centimeters to the inch?
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@...>
You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there
are precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for
easy conversion from feet/inches to cm....
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:19:37 -0400
From: "Robert Gainer" <robert_gainer@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Off schooning
Does anybody have the book "The Origin of the Schooner Rig,'' by Mr. L. G.
Carr-Laughton, the Librarian of the British Admiralty. He says that the
"essentials of the schooner rig are two gaff sails and a headsail, all
beyond is accidental". He also says that embryonic schooners without a
headsail were being used in Holland as early as 1630. I read the book some
years back but this quote is from a review of the book and I don't have a
copy to hand.
Bob
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:03:33 -0000
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
Subject: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
I was going to say that it's precise only to three significant
figures, although that's probably accurate enough for boatbuilding.
But it seems, as Gabriel implies, that the Imperial inch is now
defined in terms of the centimetre. More information at
http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/units/length.htm
I haven't had much to do with programmable calculators, but my guess
is that they could be programmed to make these simple conversions too
(including handling inches, eighths and sixteenths), if you couldn't
find a dedicated device e.g. an Imperial tape or folding measure, or
the special calculator suggested.
Howard
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> Er, Gabe. How about 2.54 centimeters to the inch?
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
> derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@s...>
>
>
> You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there
> are precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for
> easy conversion from feet/inches to cm....
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:06:28 -0000
From: "alternateuser2001" <alternateuser2001@...>
Subject: Re: Building a bait live well?
Hi there,
'Just a few websites for you-perhaps you find something there ;
http://www.eetruckstuff.com/cust_caron.html
-about some guy who built the whole thing on the back of his pick up.
And this one : http://www.geocities.com/bayrunner.geo/minnows.html
I'm not sure if these sites will be of any help to you, so see for
yourself !
'Don't know your 'budget' either, so hard to give tips.What I do know
is that we overhere used to make most of our 'hobby equipment'
ourselves - partly for fun, partly due to a chronically lack of
money ;)) So ... a nice big pvc / other kinda plastic 'thing' is easy
to find...and very cheap as well. (try for instance your local d.i.y-
centre - lotsa times it doesn't pay off to go and make things
yourself cause the variaty of forms and sizes over there is huge and
the prices low due to mass production.)'Easier to adapt the 'planned
size' of the well in your boat to the available 'well', than vice
versa ...) Also we use pumps like the ones used in central-heating-
systems ('got no idea how that's called in proper english ;)) or a
pump out off a washing machine -its very powerfull ! Old machines are
been given away often-taking out the pump is a matter off minutes.
Succes !
Poor Dutch Boat Enthusiast ;))
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:18:09 -0400
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
Subject: Re: Re: epoxy and finishing......i.e.how long till i can paint?
Bob--Others have written about how long to let epoxy cure before painting.
I've had good luck with West System letting it cure over night, washing with
a diluted soapy water (a squirt of dishwashing detergent in a bucket of
water--don't think precise ratio is critical), rinsing the surface with lots
of water (hose it down), dry it thoroughly, sand lightly, and apply primer.
This boils down to paint it within a day after the epoxy gets hard.
I agree that all finishing is best done inside, but that is not always
possible. If there will be more than a few days between the time you move
it out and the time you paint, suggest you cover it with a tarp. I've built
a couple of boats out in the yard, covering up with the tarp at night, and
was happy with the results.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: cha62759@...
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 10:48 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: epoxy and finishing......i.e.how long till i can
paint?
West epoxy can take up to a week to cure. I would assume that other
epoxies have a similar cure time. Wash thoroughly before sanding to
get any hint of amine blush off the epoxy.
Coat AND SAND before assembling. If you are using Brightside primer
read the directions on the can. When the can says sand to
"translucency" it means to sand almost all of the primer off. This is
especially important for paint exposed to the weather. This is the
voice of experience. The microspheres in the primer attract water and
you may get bubbles in your finish coat. The primer and paint can take
a week or more for a full cure. Be careful about exposing it to the
weather prematurely. Try to get any finishing done under cover and
long enough for a full cure. Painting in full sun is a no no. READ THE
DIRECTIONS ON THE CAN, NO SHORTCUTS.
Bob Chamberland
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...> wrote:
> So i'm slathering, slinging and spreading epoxy in all the micro's
> nooks and crannies.(note to anyone on the verge of starting to
> build: coat your panels FIRST) I'll give it some sanding and then i
> wait.....? How long? Is a 3 week wait overkill to let the epoxy cure
> before priming the interior. I'd rather be safe than sorry as i'd
> like to get a good bond (interlux brightside primer).
>
> Also the boat is too big now, so i've got to get it out in the yard.
> Do i need to be concerned about the epoxy being exposed to the uv
> for a month.....or is that not enough time to do any significant
> damage.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:26:13 -0400
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
Subject: Re: birdwatcher
Bruce--Your analysis tracks with mine, except that the Birdwatcher II weighs
about 200 lbs more than Birdwatcher I. I think that, with the possible
exception of the new tiller arrangement (which offers a little more swing
than the original) and the self draining anchor compartment, I prefer the
lightness and simplicity of the "stark" Birdwatcher I with the solent rig.
But different sailors like things a little bit different, and Bolger and
Friends is responding to the requests of their customers. I note that both
sets of plans continue to be available...
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] birdwatcher
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0000, dnjost wrote:
> Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful article
> on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
> enlightening for me.
Here is my read of the Birdwatcher II modifications
1) Foot and luff dimensions of solent lug main sail are slightly changed.
2) Jib sail enlarged from 41 sf to 71 sf, with added off center
bow sprit pole for tack, and the head of the jib is fastened
higher near the top of the mast.
3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forward
and aft. Below these compartments is added
about 4 CF of foam.
5) 1 1/2" foam overlay of the bottom and deck. (sides too?)
If bottom and deck only, adds about 10 CF buoyancy.
6) Two lead acid batteries, (probably T105's) in a port side
box in forward compartment box, seating height.
7) Pair of 55W solar panels.
8) Lengthened off-center board trunk, to about 6'2"
9) "a long steel-ballasted centerboard"
10) redesigned rudder, with boarding steps.
11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.
[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
12) the redesigned rudder now rakes forward and pivots different.
13) 5' x 3'6" 'pinked' after deck.
14) Rowing seat is shorter, (as bottom is higher due to 1 1/2" foam)
15) Anti-phlumping plywood pad added to forward bottom.
16) Revised companionway 'doors'.
17) Hard 'Birdwatcher slot' hatches, the aftermost is hinged and
the forwardmost has a 'ventilation' hood? Where do these
hatches stow?
18) Two stern mounted, raked, flag staffs serve as termination
point of lexan windows.
19) Off center motor mount, for 2 HP outboard through
well in after deck.
20) Lexan sides extend as 'low rail' panels of after deck.
21) racks for mast and the sprit are now drawn, (but not
the gaff?)
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:14:22 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
Subject: Re: birdwatcher
John B. Trussell wrote:
> I think that, with the possible exception of the new tiller arrangement
(which offers a l> little more swing than the original) and the self
draining anchor compartment, I prefer > the lightness and simplicity of the
"stark" Birdwatcher I with the solent rig.
Yes, though, the more I consider Bolger's recent refinements, the more
I appreciate his design(s).
The insulation on the floor would certainly be cozy.
If you like the solent lug rig over the original sprit rig,
I don't see much more hassle adding the bowsprit spar.
You probably noticed the Birdwatcher in the article had
the more simple sprit sail [with an added polytarp jib].
I bet that the ballast of the steel in the new centerboard
improves the sailing power of the boat. Do you think it
is simply a solid piece if 1/4" steel plate?
The afterdeck certainly would make a great swimming
or decent fishing platform.
I have reservations about the hard hatches for the slot,
but maybe Bolger has some clever idea how to stow them.
I am not convinced that the rounded bow appendage would
be needed with the 1 1/2 foam on the bottom acting as
sound deadening..
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:50:37 +0800
From: fountainb@...
Subject: Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Howard Stephenson wrote:
> There is another slight problem: metric plywood is 2400 x 1200.
> Imperial plywood is 8' x 4', which is close to 2440 x 1220.
This is probably not true, but it is a good idea to check. I got
caught once with 2400x1200, but I have never seen ply of these
dimensions since. Standard metric plywood here is 2440x1220.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:31:12 -0700
From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
Subject: anyone building Bolger's board? (boardsail parts)
If anyone ever felt like building Bolger's sailboard, I and a friend are
trying to find a new home for a sailboard and rig. You have to take the
board, which, though high volume, doubles as a shallow diving submarine
for some reason, but the mast and sail seem pretty nice, and I bet you
could adapt the foil shaped centerboard to work, maybe even use the
skeg. Or is there some other use for this? Obviously don't want to ship
it, but if you're near Salem, Mass. it might work out well if you can
pick it up.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:33:02 -0000
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
Subject: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Bruce,
I thought all Australian-made marine ply was 2400 x 1200, whereas at
least some imported ply is 2440 x 1220. I haven't actually measured
the sheets, but a look at a few websites (e.g.
http://www.constructionplywoods.com.au) supports that impression,
gained originally from a plywood retailer.
PCB loves to make the most of the full sheet of ply, so there can be
a problem if one is laying out an instant boat from sheets that are
slightly smaller than 8' x 4'.
Marius is in South Africa; I don't know what is available there.
Howard
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, fountainb@s... wrote:
> Howard Stephenson wrote:
> > There is another slight problem: metric plywood is 2400 x 1200.
> > Imperial plywood is 8' x 4', which is close to 2440 x 1220.
>
> This is probably not true, but it is a good idea to check. I got
> caught once with 2400x1200, but I have never seen ply of these
> dimensions since. Standard metric plywood here is 2440x1220.
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:54:49 +0930
From: "Robin Badenoch" <robinbadenoch@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Hi,
There are 25.4 millimetres to the inch and 39.6 inches to the meter. Not
sure about the preceding. 10 mm = 1cm 10cm = 1m. Tape measures and rulers
in OZ generally have both measuring systems one on each edge so conversion
can be done on the job.
Rob B (Australia, bought up during the conversion from imperial measurement
to metric)
----- Original Message -----
From: Gabriel K. McAtee
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there are
precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy conversion
from feet/inches to cm....
--Gabe
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:36:13 -0000
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
Subject: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Robin,
If there are 25.4 millimetres to the inch -- and there are, as we've
already established -- there would be 39.37 inches to the metre.
1/25.4 = 0.03937
And there are 100 cm to the metre -- that is why they are called
centimetres.
Howard
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Badenoch" <robinbadenoch@a...>
wrote:
> Hi,
> There are 25.4 millimetres to the inch and 39.6 inches to the
meter. Not sure about the preceding. 10 mm = 1cm 10cm = 1m. Tape
measures and rulers in OZ generally have both measuring systems one
on each edge so conversion can be done on the job.
>
> Rob B (Australia, bought up during the conversion from imperial
measurement to metric)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gabriel K. McAtee
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
>
>
> You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there
are
> precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy
conversion
> from feet/inches to cm....
>
> --Gabe
>
> _____
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:14:51 +0200
From: Marius Lubbe - Creative MindsR HQ <marius@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the feedback. I believe David below got the right message,
its not converting that worries me, it having converted and proofed the
plans that I was hoping someone has already done. If I must be the one to
make the mistakes, I was hoping it would not be with my first
self-built-boat.
BTW our plywood is of a very high standard and manufactured here in South
Africa, mostly from pine. The exterior ply is waterproof and is to said to
be the same as marine ply, in fact comes from the same process, just maybe a
slight difference in finish. Our sizes are standard at 2440 x 1220, and we
tend to follow Euro standards and quality controls pretty diligently as we
export most of our (South Africa) goods there.
Kind Regards
Marius
Marius Lubbe
Creative MindsR HQ
Cape Town, South Africa
Cell: 082 785 7763
www.minds.co.za
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From: David Romasco [mailto:dromasco@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:58 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
Great! Now explain to Marius a ready conversion factor to eighths and
sixteenths.... and remember just how many measurements will need to be
calculated for the complete boat. Personally, I prefer metric; but
converting boat plans on the fly is no bed of roses.
David
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From: Gabriel K. McAtee [mailto:gmcatee@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Diablo Plans in metric form ?
You can certainly use any tool out there, but by definition there are
precisely 2.54 inches to the centimeter. That allows for easy conversion
from feet/inches to cm....
--Gabe
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:27:29 +0200
From: datenmull@...
Subject: Re: birdwatcher
hello everybody,
had no success trying to get my hands on a copy of WoodenBoat here in
Austria.
Is there anyone who could scan the birdwatcher article and post it
for us salivating but information-starved non-americans?
hannes
On 12 Jul 2004 at 10:45, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0000, dnjost wrote:
> > Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful
> > article on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It
> > was very enlightening for me.
>
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:33:50 -0400
From: craig o'donnell <dadadata@...>
Subject: Re: birdwatcher
>
>3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
Old one needs better cleat such as Jonesport cleat or a samson post.
>4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forward
>and aft. Below these compartments is added
>about 4 CF of foam.
>
I thought about adding a well to mine when rebuilding.
>7) Pair of 55W solar panels.
Makes sense on top of the side "deck/roofs" on an old one too.
>11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.
>[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
Ahhh, still too complicated.
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