[bolger] Re: The Fifth Flight of Landroval
In a message dated 3/20/2000 8:58:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Teakdeck@...writes:
<< Did you feel
comfortable sailing your boat or did you feel like you were on a dinghy and
had to adjust for every puff of wind lest you blow over?>>
Interesting question - difficult to answer. The day we capsized ( our first
capsize in any boat) I had a great deal confidence in both the boat and our
abilities - soooo ..... when you have a bad day when confidence is high - the
next time one wonders exactly what to count on! I found myself being extra
cautious - ( certainly not a bad idea at all times eh?) and whereas I
considered a single reef - I double reefed instead. It turned out to be the
right choice - since the winds picked up as they usually do in the afternoon.
I will say that when hove to - to raise the main - I did find myself
wondering if there might come a wind shift to challenge us again - since the
mizzen has to be cleated tightly to heave to. But - all was well. She does
heave to like a duck with nose right into the wind. But the thought that
comes to mind (while standing up in the well) - of course is the 80 degree -
90 degree windshift.
<<Did your wife go with you or is she waiting for your experiments with
ballast
to prove themselves out?>>
She was a trooper - she didn't like the conditions - but persevered!:-)
afterwards she said she was glad she came and glad that conditions were
challenging.
<<Did you reduce sail more and sooner than before? Did you sail with hatches
battened?>>
Double reefed from the beginning - and closed up as tight as a drum! Spit
couldn't have found a way in.
Here's a question for all of you sailing cat ketches - there is no easy way
to reef the mizzen - ( no points) what do you think about roller furling it
around the mast and sailing it loose footed?
<< Apparently, you didn't think of not going out a all in a stiff breeze. Why
not?>>
We thought about it! But if she can't sail in that wind - there aren't many
days she can sail! It was a good test of the increased ballast. Like I may
have said elsewhere - the increased ballast in our empty boat probably still
has us with less ballast than the boats full of cruising gear.
We left the water in the early afternoon - to keep another family
committement - but might have anyway since conditions were deteriorating - a
squall did come thru later that afternoon and none of the boats we were
sailing with were unscathed. One sea pearl lost a leeboard - both sea pearls
took on goodly amounts of water - the pocket cat's roller furling jib jammed,
the mcgregor 26 had a child below who was thrown across the cabin splitting a
lip - it was a good day to leave the water early.
Steve
Teakdeck@...writes:
<< Did you feel
comfortable sailing your boat or did you feel like you were on a dinghy and
had to adjust for every puff of wind lest you blow over?>>
Interesting question - difficult to answer. The day we capsized ( our first
capsize in any boat) I had a great deal confidence in both the boat and our
abilities - soooo ..... when you have a bad day when confidence is high - the
next time one wonders exactly what to count on! I found myself being extra
cautious - ( certainly not a bad idea at all times eh?) and whereas I
considered a single reef - I double reefed instead. It turned out to be the
right choice - since the winds picked up as they usually do in the afternoon.
I will say that when hove to - to raise the main - I did find myself
wondering if there might come a wind shift to challenge us again - since the
mizzen has to be cleated tightly to heave to. But - all was well. She does
heave to like a duck with nose right into the wind. But the thought that
comes to mind (while standing up in the well) - of course is the 80 degree -
90 degree windshift.
<<Did your wife go with you or is she waiting for your experiments with
ballast
to prove themselves out?>>
She was a trooper - she didn't like the conditions - but persevered!:-)
afterwards she said she was glad she came and glad that conditions were
challenging.
<<Did you reduce sail more and sooner than before? Did you sail with hatches
battened?>>
Double reefed from the beginning - and closed up as tight as a drum! Spit
couldn't have found a way in.
Here's a question for all of you sailing cat ketches - there is no easy way
to reef the mizzen - ( no points) what do you think about roller furling it
around the mast and sailing it loose footed?
<< Apparently, you didn't think of not going out a all in a stiff breeze. Why
not?>>
We thought about it! But if she can't sail in that wind - there aren't many
days she can sail! It was a good test of the increased ballast. Like I may
have said elsewhere - the increased ballast in our empty boat probably still
has us with less ballast than the boats full of cruising gear.
We left the water in the early afternoon - to keep another family
committement - but might have anyway since conditions were deteriorating - a
squall did come thru later that afternoon and none of the boats we were
sailing with were unscathed. One sea pearl lost a leeboard - both sea pearls
took on goodly amounts of water - the pocket cat's roller furling jib jammed,
the mcgregor 26 had a child below who was thrown across the cabin splitting a
lip - it was a good day to leave the water early.
Steve
Real glad to hear, after what must have been a fairly unnerving capsize
experience, that you have successfully returned to the water. Did you feel
comfortable sailing your boat or did you feel like you were on a dinghy and
had to adjust for every puff of wind lest you blow over?
Did your wife go with you or is she waiting for your experiments with ballast
to prove themselves out?
Did you reduce sail more and sooner than before? Did you sail with hatches
battened?
Apparently, you didn't think of not going out a all in a stiff breeze. Why
not?
experience, that you have successfully returned to the water. Did you feel
comfortable sailing your boat or did you feel like you were on a dinghy and
had to adjust for every puff of wind lest you blow over?
Did your wife go with you or is she waiting for your experiments with ballast
to prove themselves out?
Did you reduce sail more and sooner than before? Did you sail with hatches
battened?
Apparently, you didn't think of not going out a all in a stiff breeze. Why
not?
In a message dated 3/20/2000 12:54:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
oink@...writes:
<< I was thrilled to hear that your ballast experiment was a success!
Yes, stability and a more solid feeling would bring confidence. It
will be interesting to hear if PB endorses your changes.
How did you get on towing it up the launching ramp?
Don >>
The ramp was actually one of the steeper ones around these parts - no
problems at all. All in all a successful day! Still using the honda 2 horse
- however - left us feeling under powered entering and leaving the ramp - It
was blowing pretty hard and at full throttle we were moving into the wind -
but not by much. An "upgrade" is in the works. Steve
oink@...writes:
<< I was thrilled to hear that your ballast experiment was a success!
Yes, stability and a more solid feeling would bring confidence. It
will be interesting to hear if PB endorses your changes.
How did you get on towing it up the launching ramp?
Don >>
The ramp was actually one of the steeper ones around these parts - no
problems at all. All in all a successful day! Still using the honda 2 horse
- however - left us feeling under powered entering and leaving the ramp - It
was blowing pretty hard and at full throttle we were moving into the wind -
but not by much. An "upgrade" is in the works. Steve
From:Hwal@...
Date sent: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:51:34 EST
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Subject: [bolger] The Fifth Flight of Landroval
Hi Steve,
I was thrilled to hear that your ballast experiment was a success!
Yes, stability and a more solid feeling would bring confidence. It
will be interesting to hear if PB endorses your changes.
How did you get on towing it up the launching ramp?
Don
Date sent: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:51:34 EST
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Subject: [bolger] The Fifth Flight of Landroval
Hi Steve,
I was thrilled to hear that your ballast experiment was a success!
Yes, stability and a more solid feeling would bring confidence. It
will be interesting to hear if PB endorses your changes.
How did you get on towing it up the launching ramp?
Don
> The wind was out of the east at 18 gusting to 25 mph. I'll bet I've got your
> attention!
>
> So ... do we tie in a single or a double reef? A double reef - since
> confidence levels are a tad lower than usual - a certain feeling that she
> might do something unexpected?
>
> However - Last time the wind was stronger and the gusts were bigger - and she
> now carries 800 lbs of ballast - sand and lead rather than the previous 500
> lbs of sand.
>
> She sailed just fine - The 300 more pounds of ballast produced a noticeable
> difference - a much more solid feel. I was pleased with the difference -
> very pleased. She excelled .....:-)
>
> This was the monthly "sailout" of the Halifax Trailer Sailors - now in their
> second year as a club. One of the members - Mike Roberts - who sails a lug
> rigged non- ballasted old sea pearl told us that he had run into someone
> cruising around Florida in a Jesse Cooper - about 15 miles south of where we
> were sailing. He told him that a martha jane would be around and the Jesse
> Cooper was going to rendezvous with us. Unfortunately a no show. I would like
> to have seen a jesse cooper and met her owner - particularly after hearing
> what else mike had to say.
>
> Mike had talked with the owner for a few minutes yesterday - the jesse
> cooper's builder/owner/cruiser ( mike never got his name) had previously
> built and cruised a martha jane and decided that she was not big enough or
> heavy enough for the cruising he wanted to do hence the jesse cooper.
>
> Mike must have mentioned our use of sand for ballast - because the jesse
> cooper owner apparently laughed about that and said that the first time he
> launched his mj - he had the water ballast tanks full of water - and after
> just a short time on the water he turned back to shore - put the boat on the
> trailer, drained the water - went out and bought ( you guessed it) sand and
> filled the tanks with sand (more than 500 lbs worth - but I don't know how
> much more - and he never took the sand out again. How about that? Small
> world. Too bad we didn't connect today. Steve
>
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Hi Steve,
It has to be John Sherrill. Glad to hear they've made it to Florida. I met
him and his wife in Jany 1999 in Georgetown, SC headed south in their new
JC. Messing About fans will recall his most interesting article "Inner City
Martha Jane" (April 1995), concerning the joys and travails of boat building
in the Big Apple. John says MJ is a mere boat, while Jesse Cooper is a small
ship. He sold the MJ and finished building the JC in Wilmington, NC in 1998.
But I never heard anything about sand.
ED HAILE
Martha Jane "Terrapin"
It has to be John Sherrill. Glad to hear they've made it to Florida. I met
him and his wife in Jany 1999 in Georgetown, SC headed south in their new
JC. Messing About fans will recall his most interesting article "Inner City
Martha Jane" (April 1995), concerning the joys and travails of boat building
in the Big Apple. John says MJ is a mere boat, while Jesse Cooper is a small
ship. He sold the MJ and finished building the JC in Wilmington, NC in 1998.
But I never heard anything about sand.
ED HAILE
Martha Jane "Terrapin"
>From:Hwal@...______________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] The Fifth Flight of Landroval
>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:51:34 EST
>
>The wind was out of the east at 18 gusting to 25 mph. I'll bet I've got
>your
>attention!
>
>So ... do we tie in a single or a double reef? A double reef - since
>confidence levels are a tad lower than usual - a certain feeling that she
>might do something unexpected?
>
>However - Last time the wind was stronger and the gusts were bigger - and
>she
>now carries 800 lbs of ballast - sand and lead rather than the previous 500
>lbs of sand.
>
>She sailed just fine - The 300 more pounds of ballast produced a noticeable
>difference - a much more solid feel. I was pleased with the difference -
>very pleased. She excelled .....:-)
>
>This was the monthly "sailout" of the Halifax Trailer Sailors - now in
>their
>second year as a club. One of the members - Mike Roberts - who sails a lug
>rigged non- ballasted old sea pearl told us that he had run into someone
>cruising around Florida in a Jesse Cooper - about 15 miles south of where
>we
>were sailing. He told him that a martha jane would be around and the Jesse
>Cooper was going to rendezvous with us. Unfortunately a no show. I would
>like
>to have seen a jesse cooper and met her owner - particularly after hearing
>what else mike had to say.
>
>Mike had talked with the owner for a few minutes yesterday - the jesse
>cooper's builder/owner/cruiser ( mike never got his name) had previously
>built and cruised a martha jane and decided that she was not big enough or
>heavy enough for the cruising he wanted to do hence the jesse cooper.
>
>Mike must have mentioned our use of sand for ballast - because the jesse
>cooper owner apparently laughed about that and said that the first time he
>launched his mj - he had the water ballast tanks full of water - and after
>just a short time on the water he turned back to shore - put the boat on
>the
>trailer, drained the water - went out and bought ( you guessed it) sand and
>filled the tanks with sand (more than 500 lbs worth - but I don't know how
>much more - and he never took the sand out again. How about that? Small
>world. Too bad we didn't connect today. Steve
>
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The wind was out of the east at 18 gusting to 25 mph. I'll bet I've got your
attention!
So ... do we tie in a single or a double reef? A double reef - since
confidence levels are a tad lower than usual - a certain feeling that she
might do something unexpected?
However - Last time the wind was stronger and the gusts were bigger - and she
now carries 800 lbs of ballast - sand and lead rather than the previous 500
lbs of sand.
She sailed just fine - The 300 more pounds of ballast produced a noticeable
difference - a much more solid feel. I was pleased with the difference -
very pleased. She excelled .....:-)
This was the monthly "sailout" of the Halifax Trailer Sailors - now in their
second year as a club. One of the members - Mike Roberts - who sails a lug
rigged non- ballasted old sea pearl told us that he had run into someone
cruising around Florida in a Jesse Cooper - about 15 miles south of where we
were sailing. He told him that a martha jane would be around and the Jesse
Cooper was going to rendezvous with us. Unfortunately a no show. I would like
to have seen a jesse cooper and met her owner - particularly after hearing
what else mike had to say.
Mike had talked with the owner for a few minutes yesterday - the jesse
cooper's builder/owner/cruiser ( mike never got his name) had previously
built and cruised a martha jane and decided that she was not big enough or
heavy enough for the cruising he wanted to do hence the jesse cooper.
Mike must have mentioned our use of sand for ballast - because the jesse
cooper owner apparently laughed about that and said that the first time he
launched his mj - he had the water ballast tanks full of water - and after
just a short time on the water he turned back to shore - put the boat on the
trailer, drained the water - went out and bought ( you guessed it) sand and
filled the tanks with sand (more than 500 lbs worth - but I don't know how
much more - and he never took the sand out again. How about that? Small
world. Too bad we didn't connect today. Steve
attention!
So ... do we tie in a single or a double reef? A double reef - since
confidence levels are a tad lower than usual - a certain feeling that she
might do something unexpected?
However - Last time the wind was stronger and the gusts were bigger - and she
now carries 800 lbs of ballast - sand and lead rather than the previous 500
lbs of sand.
She sailed just fine - The 300 more pounds of ballast produced a noticeable
difference - a much more solid feel. I was pleased with the difference -
very pleased. She excelled .....:-)
This was the monthly "sailout" of the Halifax Trailer Sailors - now in their
second year as a club. One of the members - Mike Roberts - who sails a lug
rigged non- ballasted old sea pearl told us that he had run into someone
cruising around Florida in a Jesse Cooper - about 15 miles south of where we
were sailing. He told him that a martha jane would be around and the Jesse
Cooper was going to rendezvous with us. Unfortunately a no show. I would like
to have seen a jesse cooper and met her owner - particularly after hearing
what else mike had to say.
Mike had talked with the owner for a few minutes yesterday - the jesse
cooper's builder/owner/cruiser ( mike never got his name) had previously
built and cruised a martha jane and decided that she was not big enough or
heavy enough for the cruising he wanted to do hence the jesse cooper.
Mike must have mentioned our use of sand for ballast - because the jesse
cooper owner apparently laughed about that and said that the first time he
launched his mj - he had the water ballast tanks full of water - and after
just a short time on the water he turned back to shore - put the boat on the
trailer, drained the water - went out and bought ( you guessed it) sand and
filled the tanks with sand (more than 500 lbs worth - but I don't know how
much more - and he never took the sand out again. How about that? Small
world. Too bad we didn't connect today. Steve