Re: [bolger] getting a micro onto a cradle?
Jason,
If you make the cradle out of 2x4s with plywood gussets, held together
with deck (or drywall) screws, you can build it in place under the
boat. Then you only have to raise one end at a time. Make 2 or 3
frames under the boat, then connect them with long 2x4s or 2x6s to
comlpete the cradle.
Ford Walton
Jason Stancil wrote:
If you make the cradle out of 2x4s with plywood gussets, held together
with deck (or drywall) screws, you can build it in place under the
boat. Then you only have to raise one end at a time. Make 2 or 3
frames under the boat, then connect them with long 2x4s or 2x6s to
comlpete the cradle.
Ford Walton
Jason Stancil wrote:
>
> Hey folks spent about two hours this morning extracting my micro
> from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
> protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
> resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know the
> folks next door hate me now!)
>
> The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
> the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
> her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it up
> and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks and
> milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
> budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs about
> now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
> bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
> with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
> and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
> overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
>
> Anyone have some suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>
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I agree,
There is no job too big for beer and donuts. Thanks for the
reminder Peter. I wonder how many cases it takes to lift an AS29?
David Jost
"daydreaming between thesis papers."
If neither your keel nor ballast is in place,just do what I
There is no job too big for beer and donuts. Thanks for the
reminder Peter. I wonder how many cases it takes to lift an AS29?
David Jost
"daydreaming between thesis papers."
If neither your keel nor ballast is in place,just do what I
> do;buy a case of cold beer.
An axiom to remember; "Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick any 2. You virtually
never get all 3."
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
up while someone blocks it up and then lift the other end up while it
is being blocked. Levers work well. A chain hoist or a come along
on a lashed together 2x4 tripod will also work.
7th person to call 911, and drag bodies out from underneath is wise.
I disagree w' John re levers. IMO it is to easy to scar the bottom.
If you needed the whole boat to go up all at once I would do it with
8 people and 2-3 to move blocking or a prebuilt cradle underneath.
IMO keep the per person load under 100lbs to lessen risk to the
lifters, or losing control of the hull.
never get all 3."
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> Jacks are handy things if you have to work alone, but there is alot to be said for three or four burly friends who can lift one end
up while someone blocks it up and then lift the other end up while it
is being blocked. Levers work well. A chain hoist or a come along
on a lashed together 2x4 tripod will also work.
>I strongly agree w' JOhn T. 4 to lift, and 2 to arrange blocking. A
> John T
7th person to call 911, and drag bodies out from underneath is wise.
I disagree w' John re levers. IMO it is to easy to scar the bottom.
If you needed the whole boat to go up all at once I would do it with
8 people and 2-3 to move blocking or a prebuilt cradle underneath.
IMO keep the per person load under 100lbs to lessen risk to the
lifters, or losing control of the hull.
That sounds similar to the crane I hung on the back of my van.
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/toys.htmlIt goes on and off rather quickly,
and it gets small heavy stuff in and out quite well, but it doesn't have the
reach for boat lifting. Since I got a tractor with a front bucket, that
does most of the lifting.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/toys.htmlIt goes on and off rather quickly,
and it gets small heavy stuff in and out quite well, but it doesn't have the
reach for boat lifting. Since I got a tractor with a front bucket, that
does most of the lifting.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cupp" <john@...>
> Here is what I made using my jeep and its winch. I mounted a long
> piece of pipe (20 feet) onto a receiver hitchplugin on the front of
> my jeep CJ5. I made a pulley mount on the end of the pipe and took
> two steel cables back to my rear bumper with my tail gate off so it
> would not scrap the paint. The steel 4 inch pipe was twenty feet
> long so the cables could be shortened to make the pipe sit high or
> low depending on what is being picked up. I run my winch line up to
> the pulley on the end of the pipe and down to whatever I am picking
> up. I just engage the winch and up they go. If the item is very
> heavy I have to weight the back of the jeep down with water barrels
> that fit on the rear bumper for fresh water when camping at a dry
> camp.
>
> So far I have picked up a diesel engine and a fifty five gallon
> barrel of oil. You could do the same with a pickup truck and
> substitute a chain hoist for the winch. It is a home made crane. I
> made it for mounting equipment on some Algae harvesting boats that I
> built for a company. It didn't make sense to hire a crane for two
> hundred dollars an hour to lift five hundred pound welders and motor
> oil. It does not work if you are inside unless it is a large open
> building but it is wonderful for fitting a diesel motor into its
> mounts. I don't let anybody but myself run the thing because I know
> what I am doing.
>
> It is overkill but it works great.
>
> John Cupp
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
> wrote:
> > Hey folks spent about two hours this morning extracting my micro
> > from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
> > protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
> > resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know
> the
> > folks next door hate me now!)
> >
> > The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
> > the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
> > her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it
> up
> > and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks and
> > milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
> > budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs
> about
> > now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
> > bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
> > with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
> > and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
> > overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
> >
> > Anyone have some suggestions?
Here is what I made using my jeep and its winch. I mounted a long
piece of pipe (20 feet) onto a receiver hitchplugin on the front of
my jeep CJ5. I made a pulley mount on the end of the pipe and took
two steel cables back to my rear bumper with my tail gate off so it
would not scrap the paint. The steel 4 inch pipe was twenty feet
long so the cables could be shortened to make the pipe sit high or
low depending on what is being picked up. I run my winch line up to
the pulley on the end of the pipe and down to whatever I am picking
up. I just engage the winch and up they go. If the item is very
heavy I have to weight the back of the jeep down with water barrels
that fit on the rear bumper for fresh water when camping at a dry
camp.
So far I have picked up a diesel engine and a fifty five gallon
barrel of oil. You could do the same with a pickup truck and
substitute a chain hoist for the winch. It is a home made crane. I
made it for mounting equipment on some Algae harvesting boats that I
built for a company. It didn't make sense to hire a crane for two
hundred dollars an hour to lift five hundred pound welders and motor
oil. It does not work if you are inside unless it is a large open
building but it is wonderful for fitting a diesel motor into its
mounts. I don't let anybody but myself run the thing because I know
what I am doing.
It is overkill but it works great.
John Cupp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
piece of pipe (20 feet) onto a receiver hitchplugin on the front of
my jeep CJ5. I made a pulley mount on the end of the pipe and took
two steel cables back to my rear bumper with my tail gate off so it
would not scrap the paint. The steel 4 inch pipe was twenty feet
long so the cables could be shortened to make the pipe sit high or
low depending on what is being picked up. I run my winch line up to
the pulley on the end of the pipe and down to whatever I am picking
up. I just engage the winch and up they go. If the item is very
heavy I have to weight the back of the jeep down with water barrels
that fit on the rear bumper for fresh water when camping at a dry
camp.
So far I have picked up a diesel engine and a fifty five gallon
barrel of oil. You could do the same with a pickup truck and
substitute a chain hoist for the winch. It is a home made crane. I
made it for mounting equipment on some Algae harvesting boats that I
built for a company. It didn't make sense to hire a crane for two
hundred dollars an hour to lift five hundred pound welders and motor
oil. It does not work if you are inside unless it is a large open
building but it is wonderful for fitting a diesel motor into its
mounts. I don't let anybody but myself run the thing because I know
what I am doing.
It is overkill but it works great.
John Cupp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> Hey folks spent about two hours this morning extracting my microthe
> from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
> protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
> resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know
> folks next door hate me now!)up
>
> The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
> the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
> her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it
> and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks andabout
> milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
> budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs
> now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
> bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
> with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
> and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
> overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
>
> Anyone have some suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
Jason,
If neither your keel nor ballast is in place,just do what I
do;buy a case of cold beer.
This method has worked remarkably well for me through several
important"heavy" lift jobs with Windermere and helps give friends an
excuse to drink early in the day.
I'm at the point now where some of the "gang" actually feel part
of the project and they check in once in a while to enquire about
the next"big" job............
Have fun!Be safe!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan...........
wrote:
Jason,
If neither your keel nor ballast is in place,just do what I
do;buy a case of cold beer.
This method has worked remarkably well for me through several
important"heavy" lift jobs with Windermere and helps give friends an
excuse to drink early in the day.
I'm at the point now where some of the "gang" actually feel part
of the project and they check in once in a while to enquire about
the next"big" job............
Have fun!Be safe!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan...........
Jacks are handy things if you have to work alone, but there is a lot to be said for three or four burly friends who can lift one end up while someone blocks it up and then lift the other end up while it is being blocked. Levers work well. A chain hoist or a come along on a lashed together 2x4 tripod will also work.
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: dnjost
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:22 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: getting a micro onto a cradle?
I did this one too.
Use cinder blocks to put the floor jack on and lift the boat a
corner at a time to the proper height, you could build the cradle
right under it if you want. Good luck getting the keel on. I
recommend two people for that job as it was not fun having the keel
fall on me when one of my supports let go.
Be sure to put wooden padding between the floor jack and the hull to
prevent damage and try to jack from points located below the
bulkheads (good technique on any boat).
Good luck -
You will be sailing next season!
David Jost
"sweltering away in graduate school"
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Don, bruce and david
Thanks for the input. I've spent the last hour stealing jacks from
every car owner i know. I'll jack it tommorrow evening and get
something under it till i get the pilot house up. Once that's done
i'll get it up higher for rudder, keel? and one last coat of copper.
instead of boat building.
Jason
Thanks for the input. I've spent the last hour stealing jacks from
every car owner i know. I'll jack it tommorrow evening and get
something under it till i get the pilot house up. Once that's done
i'll get it up higher for rudder, keel? and one last coat of copper.
> You will be sailing next season!Nahh, october for sure
> David JostHa! I'm glad i'm not the only one that should be doing thesis work
> "sweltering away in graduate school"
instead of boat building.
Jason
I did this one too.
Use cinder blocks to put the floor jack on and lift the boat a
corner at a time to the proper height, you could build the cradle
right under it if you want. Good luck getting the keel on. I
recommend two people for that job as it was not fun having the keel
fall on me when one of my supports let go.
Be sure to put wooden padding between the floor jack and the hull to
prevent damage and try to jack from points located below the
bulkheads (good technique on any boat).
Good luck -
You will be sailing next season!
David Jost
"sweltering away in graduate school"
Use cinder blocks to put the floor jack on and lift the boat a
corner at a time to the proper height, you could build the cradle
right under it if you want. Good luck getting the keel on. I
recommend two people for that job as it was not fun having the keel
fall on me when one of my supports let go.
Be sure to put wooden padding between the floor jack and the hull to
prevent damage and try to jack from points located below the
bulkheads (good technique on any boat).
Good luck -
You will be sailing next season!
David Jost
"sweltering away in graduate school"
I just jack jack mine up with a car jack under the keel, each end a
little at a time, chocking as I go, with verticals both sides of the
cradle to keep it upright. Maybe you don't have a keel yet?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
little at a time, chocking as I go, with verticals both sides of the
cradle to keep it upright. Maybe you don't have a keel yet?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> Hey folks spent about two hours this morning extracting my microthe
> from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
> protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
> resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know
> folks next door hate me now!)up
>
> The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
> the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
> her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it
> and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks andabout
> milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
> budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs
> now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
> bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
> with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
> and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
> overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
>
> Anyone have some suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
You might think about renting an engine hoist.
Roger (not suggesting Viagra)
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
Roger (not suggesting Viagra)
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@...>
> get it up
>Jason Stancil wrote:I used a $50 hydraulic automobile floor jack, and bricks/ cinderblocks
>Should i mount the jacks only under the
> bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
> with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy.
to lift corners of the boat a little at a time. Don't squish yourself!
As bending strength increases exponentially to the power of three with
thickness,
your 3/4" thick bottom is 20 times stronger than the 1/4" Bolger deems
necessary,
so I wouldn't worry too much about hurting it!
Hey folks spent about two hours this morning extracting my micro
from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know the
folks next door hate me now!)
The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it up
and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks and
milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs about
now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
Anyone have some suggestions?
Thanks,
Jason
from the basement and towing it down my gravel drive (on skids for
protection) and up into the grass in my side yard where she now
resides under a newly erected 10' x 20' polytarp shelter (i know the
folks next door hate me now!)
The bottom is glassed over and copper covered but she is sitting in
the dirt/grass which can't be good. Going to build a cradle to hold
her up off the ground but trying to figure how the heck to get it up
and onto said cradle sans a small army of people. Bottle jacks and
milk crates? 2 jacks or must i have four? A crane is not within
budget so forget it. I figure the hulk weighs about 650-700lbs about
now, maybe a bit more. Should i mount the jacks only under the
bulkheads? chines? or anywhere i please? The bottom is 3/4" thick
with 6 oz glass and a butt load of epoxy. The inside framing bunks
and all are in place and the bow and stern decks on (rather stiff
overall) but i hate to tear it up in the process.
Anyone have some suggestions?
Thanks,
Jason