Re: Gillnetter Houseboat
The book reproduces five sheets of plans, including a complete set of
lines and a table of offsets. PCB has shown a Westerbeke 4-154 -- a
60 hp diesel.
Although the gillnetters on which the design is based were meant for
use in freezing weather, the houseboat version would be suitable for
much warmer weather too. PCB says that the placement of the double
bed, tucked into a corner and hard against the side of the cabin, is
OK because it can be tilted up when tucking in the sheets. It seems
to me the problem with such a layout (a very common one) is that the
outboard occupant of the berth has to climb over the inboard occupant
to get his/her feet on the deck. I must be getting old to see that as
a disadvantage.
Howard
lines and a table of offsets. PCB has shown a Westerbeke 4-154 -- a
60 hp diesel.
Although the gillnetters on which the design is based were meant for
use in freezing weather, the houseboat version would be suitable for
much warmer weather too. PCB says that the placement of the double
bed, tucked into a corner and hard against the side of the cabin, is
OK because it can be tilted up when tucking in the sheets. It seems
to me the problem with such a layout (a very common one) is that the
outboard occupant of the berth has to climb over the inboard occupant
to get his/her feet on the deck. I must be getting old to see that as
a disadvantage.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> Yes the Gillnetter Houseboat is interesting, though the
superstructure is quite ugly, the hull itself is really very nice and
being a displacement type Lobsterboat hull, a moderate size (about
100HP) Diesel would have ample power for maximum hull speed with
plenty in reserve to buck the tide and seas.
>
> A more traditional lobsterboat/lobsteryacht cabin arrangement would
be a great improvement on looks but not as suitable for live aboard
purposes.
>
> though being 35' x 12' or thereabouts, shes quite a big and complex
boat for a first-time builder to contemplate!
>
> From memory I think there is enough information in the "Folding
Schooner" Book to build her though.
Yes the Gillnetter Houseboat is interesting, though the superstructure is quite ugly, the hull itself is really very nice and being a displacement type Lobsterboat hull, a moderte size (about 100HP) Diesel would have ample power for maximum hull speed with plenty in reserve to buck the tide and seas.
A more traditional lobsterboat/lobsteryacht cabin arrangement would be a great improvement on looks but not as suitable for live aboard purposes.
though being 35' x 12' or thereabouts, shes quite a big and complex boat for a first-time builder to contemplate!
From memory I think there is enough information in the "Folding Schooner" Book to build her though.
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
Philip Smith <pbs@...> wrote:
--- denisnh <denisnh@...> wrote:
Dennis, I'm also looking into live aboard solutions.
I've thought of the ones you've mentioned, White Eel
and Phil and Susanne have done a couple of design
cartoons for me that were up to 100' long.
My situation has changed significantly and now Puffer
and even Tahiti have their charms.
I will be trying to live aboard my Martha Jane in the
San Francisco Bay area this winter. At least I think I
will be. That will be an interesting exercise.
Phil Smith
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A more traditional lobsterboat/lobsteryacht cabin arrangement would be a great improvement on looks but not as suitable for live aboard purposes.
though being 35' x 12' or thereabouts, shes quite a big and complex boat for a first-time builder to contemplate!
From memory I think there is enough information in the "Folding Schooner" Book to build her though.
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
Philip Smith <pbs@...> wrote:
--- denisnh <denisnh@...> wrote:
Dennis, I'm also looking into live aboard solutions.
I've thought of the ones you've mentioned, White Eel
and Phil and Susanne have done a couple of design
cartoons for me that were up to 100' long.
My situation has changed significantly and now Puffer
and even Tahiti have their charms.
I will be trying to live aboard my Martha Jane in the
San Francisco Bay area this winter. At least I think I
will be. That will be an interesting exercise.
Phil Smith
>http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/_0TolB/TM
> Still not sure which way to go. Modified lobster
> boat, Dakota,
> Puffer, etc. I do prefer a design where I can
> "prefab" a lot of the
> parts before the actual construction of the boat
> begins. Also, being
> able to build in sections, such as that one builder
> did with Wyoming,
> would be great!
>
> So the research goes on, but it's fun! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Denis
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart"
> <pvanderwaart@y...>
> wrote:
> > > I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept
> drawing and really
> > don't
> > > want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans
> available to sell.
> >
> > If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't
> "bugging", it's a
> > straight forward business inquiry. If they don't
> have plans for the
> > Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best
> plan that they do
> > have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or
> long distance
> > cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
> >
> > Peter
>
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--- denisnh <denisnh@...> wrote:
Dennis, I'm also looking into live aboard solutions.
I've thought of the ones you've mentioned, White Eel
and Phil and Susanne have done a couple of design
cartoons for me that were up to 100' long.
My situation has changed significantly and now Puffer
and even Tahiti have their charms.
I will be trying to live aboard my Martha Jane in the
San Francisco Bay area this winter. At least I think I
will be. That will be an interesting exercise.
Phil Smith
Dennis, I'm also looking into live aboard solutions.
I've thought of the ones you've mentioned, White Eel
and Phil and Susanne have done a couple of design
cartoons for me that were up to 100' long.
My situation has changed significantly and now Puffer
and even Tahiti have their charms.
I will be trying to live aboard my Martha Jane in the
San Francisco Bay area this winter. At least I think I
will be. That will be an interesting exercise.
Phil Smith
>http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/_0TolB/TM
> Still not sure which way to go. Modified lobster
> boat, Dakota,
> Puffer, etc. I do prefer a design where I can
> "prefab" a lot of the
> parts before the actual construction of the boat
> begins. Also, being
> able to build in sections, such as that one builder
> did with Wyoming,
> would be great!
>
> So the research goes on, but it's fun! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Denis
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart"
> <pvanderwaart@y...>
> wrote:
> > > I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept
> drawing and really
> > don't
> > > want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans
> available to sell.
> >
> > If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't
> "bugging", it's a
> > straight forward business inquiry. If they don't
> have plans for the
> > Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best
> plan that they do
> > have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or
> long distance
> > cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
> >
> > Peter
>
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It's in BWAOM. PCB say the essay is partly based on his own
experience in his much bigger liveaboard. It's about a man who bought
the boat expecting to go cruising in it with his wife but ended up
living in it by himself. Maybe the problem was that it has only two
single berths...
The boat is a 21'10" x 7'9" x 1'9" gaff-rigged (336 sq. ft.) leeboard
catboat, with high topsides, no trunk cabin, but full headroom under
a doghouse, and with a rudder hung on the transom stern. The no-
deadrise rockered bottom is from three 5/8" layers, with the rest of
the hull strip-planked. Displacement is 6650lb. There is 2800 lb of
lead ballast under the sole. The mast is stepped on the keel or,
really, on the plywood bottom, which takes the place of a
keel/keelson. The drawings show a Yanmar 1GM10 inboard diesel.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:> The chapter on the Leeboard Catboat is one such. Originally
an essay for WoodenBoat. Off the top of my head, I forget if it's in
MWAOM or 30-Odd.
experience in his much bigger liveaboard. It's about a man who bought
the boat expecting to go cruising in it with his wife but ended up
living in it by himself. Maybe the problem was that it has only two
single berths...
The boat is a 21'10" x 7'9" x 1'9" gaff-rigged (336 sq. ft.) leeboard
catboat, with high topsides, no trunk cabin, but full headroom under
a doghouse, and with a rudder hung on the transom stern. The no-
deadrise rockered bottom is from three 5/8" layers, with the rest of
the hull strip-planked. Displacement is 6650lb. There is 2800 lb of
lead ballast under the sole. The mast is stepped on the keel or,
really, on the plywood bottom, which takes the place of a
keel/keelson. The drawings show a Yanmar 1GM10 inboard diesel.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:> The chapter on the Leeboard Catboat is one such. Originally
an essay for WoodenBoat. Off the top of my head, I forget if it's in
MWAOM or 30-Odd.
>
> Peter
> "Bolger boats: Combining Small boats and The folding schooner, andSo far as I know, the second is entirely contained in the first.
> other adventures in boat design"
> "The folding schooner, and other adventures in boat design"
> One other thing I was wondering; Someone in the group hadmentioned
> that Phil Bolger had written an essay on living aboard.The chapter on the Leeboard Catboat is one such. Originally an essay
for WoodenBoat. Off the top of my head, I forget if it's in MWAOM or
30-Odd.
Peter
That's a great lead, John. Thanks for the info. I wasn't even aware
that Bolger had written such a book.
There seems to be two versions of this book from what I can see. The
first is:
"Bolger boats: Combining Small boats and The folding schooner, and
other adventures in boat design"
and the other is
"The folding schooner, and other adventures in boat design"
Would the Gillnetter be in both books? Are both books basically the
same in content and size or is one recommended one over the other?
One other thing I was wondering; Someone in the group had mentioned
that Phil Bolger had written an essay on living aboard. Can anyone
tell me where the essay can be found?
BTW-I have 3 of Benford's books/catalogs. He designs beautiful
boats; definitely some of the finest I've seen. But they look as
though they would take forever to build. I'll have to go back and
read them again to see if the live aboard designs are like that.
Thanks,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
offsets), profile, interior layout, and some consyruction drawings.
The drawings are labeled "Design # 302".
that Bolger had written such a book.
There seems to be two versions of this book from what I can see. The
first is:
"Bolger boats: Combining Small boats and The folding schooner, and
other adventures in boat design"
and the other is
"The folding schooner, and other adventures in boat design"
Would the Gillnetter be in both books? Are both books basically the
same in content and size or is one recommended one over the other?
One other thing I was wondering; Someone in the group had mentioned
that Phil Bolger had written an essay on living aboard. Can anyone
tell me where the essay can be found?
BTW-I have 3 of Benford's books/catalogs. He designs beautiful
boats; definitely some of the finest I've seen. But they look as
though they would take forever to build. I'll have to go back and
read them again to see if the live aboard designs are like that.
Thanks,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> Chapter 31 of The Folding Schooner describes a "Gill-netter TypeHouseBoat". The chapter includes small scale drawings of lines (with
offsets), profile, interior layout, and some consyruction drawings.
The drawings are labeled "Design # 302".
>the
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pvanderwaart
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:47 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Gillnetter Houseboat
>
>
> > I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and really
> don't
> > want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.
>
> If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't "bugging", it's a
> straight forward business inquiry. If they don't have plans for
> Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best plan that theydo
> have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or long distanceposts
> cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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Thanks for the info, Peter. Actually, I've corresponded with Phil
Bolger a number of times. When I ordered the cabin upgrade plans for
the clam skiff, I has enclosed a letter asking about the boat design
seminar he had attended in UNH. He sent me the plans along with a
full page letter, hand written, telling me about the seminar and also
a few details for the cabin upgrade to the clam skiff. I thought
that was really neat!
I know they don't mind inquiries and they're very approachable
people. The reason I don't want to "bug" them is that I'm
researching out possible live aboard designs and would really rather
not send him a letter or fax for every design I'm considering. At
the point I've narrowed my search to a few designs, then I would send
any inquiries for plan prices or questions on a certain detail of a
design.
Still not sure which way to go. Modified lobster boat, Dakota,
Puffer, etc. I do prefer a design where I can "prefab" a lot of the
parts before the actual construction of the boat begins. Also, being
able to build in sections, such as that one builder did with Wyoming,
would be great!
So the research goes on, but it's fun! :-)
Regards,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
Bolger a number of times. When I ordered the cabin upgrade plans for
the clam skiff, I has enclosed a letter asking about the boat design
seminar he had attended in UNH. He sent me the plans along with a
full page letter, hand written, telling me about the seminar and also
a few details for the cabin upgrade to the clam skiff. I thought
that was really neat!
I know they don't mind inquiries and they're very approachable
people. The reason I don't want to "bug" them is that I'm
researching out possible live aboard designs and would really rather
not send him a letter or fax for every design I'm considering. At
the point I've narrowed my search to a few designs, then I would send
any inquiries for plan prices or questions on a certain detail of a
design.
Still not sure which way to go. Modified lobster boat, Dakota,
Puffer, etc. I do prefer a design where I can "prefab" a lot of the
parts before the actual construction of the boat begins. Also, being
able to build in sections, such as that one builder did with Wyoming,
would be great!
So the research goes on, but it's fun! :-)
Regards,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
> > I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and really
> don't
> > want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.
>
> If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't "bugging", it's a
> straight forward business inquiry. If they don't have plans for the
> Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best plan that they do
> have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or long distance
> cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
>
> Peter
Chapter 31 of The Folding Schooner describes a "Gill-netter Type HouseBoat". The chapter includes small scale drawings of lines (with offsets), profile, interior layout, and some consyruction drawings. The drawings are labeled "Design # 302".
John T
John T
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From: pvanderwaart
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Gillnetter Houseboat
> I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and really
don't
> want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.
If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't "bugging", it's a
straight forward business inquiry. If they don't have plans for the
Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best plan that they do
have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or long distance
cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
Peter
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It's there, listed as
Gill-netter Houseboat/#302/35'10" x12'/Power - /15,650lbs
displ./PB&F/Houseboat - inboard, lobsterboat hull - /ref: FoldingSch
Ch#31
Five sheets of drawings for it are reproduced in The Folding
Schooner, so it went well past being a concept. However, as the plans
do not show the name of a client, it was probably drawn "on spec", as
they say in the building trade in this part of the world. i.e. in the
hope a client would turn up.
Although it is no doubt a practical design, to my eye she looks ugly
and far too-well enclosed for most climates. The original (US) Great
Lakes gillnetters have similar all-enclosing superstructures, meant
to protect the crew from temperatures down to zero fahrenheit = minus
18 deg. C. They range in size from about 33 to 60 ft. long, although
they are more usually two-man boats in the 40 to 45 ft. range. (This
info. from the FAO publication "Fishing Boats of the World 2").
I've always admired the appearance and apparent practicality of Jay
R. Benford's designs in this size-range, also based on workboats.
His "Small Ships" shows designs based on tugs, freighters and
ferries. Some are steel, some plywood. If you go to
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.enand search on Benford
as the manufacturer or builder, you will get the idea. A bit more
Googling around might reveal whether his plans are still available.
Howard
Gill-netter Houseboat/#302/35'10" x12'/Power - /15,650lbs
displ./PB&F/Houseboat - inboard, lobsterboat hull - /ref: FoldingSch
Ch#31
Five sheets of drawings for it are reproduced in The Folding
Schooner, so it went well past being a concept. However, as the plans
do not show the name of a client, it was probably drawn "on spec", as
they say in the building trade in this part of the world. i.e. in the
hope a client would turn up.
Although it is no doubt a practical design, to my eye she looks ugly
and far too-well enclosed for most climates. The original (US) Great
Lakes gillnetters have similar all-enclosing superstructures, meant
to protect the crew from temperatures down to zero fahrenheit = minus
18 deg. C. They range in size from about 33 to 60 ft. long, although
they are more usually two-man boats in the 40 to 45 ft. range. (This
info. from the FAO publication "Fishing Boats of the World 2").
I've always admired the appearance and apparent practicality of Jay
R. Benford's designs in this size-range, also based on workboats.
His "Small Ships" shows designs based on tugs, freighters and
ferries. Some are steel, some plywood. If you go to
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.enand search on Benford
as the manufacturer or builder, you will get the idea. A bit more
Googling around might reveal whether his plans are still available.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "denisnh" <denisnh@y...> wrote:
> I noticed the "Gillnetter", a houseboat cabin built on a 35'
lobster
> boat, is not in the database Design List.
> I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and reallydon't
> want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.If you are an interested buyer, then it isn't "bugging", it's a
straight forward business inquiry. If they don't have plans for the
Gillnetter, they will be sure to suggest the best plan that they do
have. I think there are several liveaboard and/or long distance
cruisers in that size in the portfolio.
Peter
I noticed the "Gillnetter", a houseboat cabin built on a 35' lobster
boat, is not in the database Design List. Would anyone know anything
about these plans? IE: Have you seen them, do you know if they are
still available, etc.
The drawing can be seen at this link:
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Gillnetter.gif
I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and really don't
want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.
Thanks,
Denis
boat, is not in the database Design List. Would anyone know anything
about these plans? IE: Have you seen them, do you know if they are
still available, etc.
The drawing can be seen at this link:
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Gillnetter.gif
I suspect the Gillnetter is just a concept drawing and really don't
want to bug PB&F if they don't have any plans available to sell.
Thanks,
Denis
If you go to
>http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.enand search on Benfordhttp://www.benford.us/
> as the manufacturer or builder, you will get the idea. A bit more
> Googling around might reveal whether his plans are still available.
>