Re: got my navigator sail plan/ tabernacle/ modification sheet today!

Jason, the link shows up fine on my pc, but when I get there it says
page not available. I think a password must be required to enter.
As far as I'm concerned, just rang my mooring guy, who dragged the
bottom to find where he had stored it last week....and not there! He
is having another look this afternoon after I told him my wife would
kill me because Oink is in front of her garage forever.
Maybe I will get into the water before you guys yet,
DonB

DonB
> Try this:
>
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jspUcollid=993802791105&Uphotoid=24
> 2832274105&collid=993802791105
> to get to the photos you may have to cut and paste it into your
> navigation bar as it is to long to show up as a link. Let me know
if
> it doesn't work.
> I'm a bit ahead of this point now.
>
> Jason
Jason, this must be an off-wind sail only...a sort of reacher.
Thanks for the link.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> > Does he mean the jib to be used to windward?
> > I cant get into your webphotos with no code,
> > DonB
>
> I have no idea Don. I learned how to sail in sturdy cat, simple
> dingies and my dad's stonehorse...club footed self tending
staysail.
> and a 90% roller reefer that you really didn't have to tend to as
it
> swung when you tacked.
>
> Best i can explain is that the sail we are talking about has a club
> with a jaw on one end that bites the main mast down low the other
in
> held to the forward sail tack. The it's about 8 ft long. The foot
of
> the jib is about 9 foot the leech 14'6" and the luff 16'.
> Since the club intersects the foot and the foot extends 12" or so
> behind the mast at the foot. Has one sheet not two like the jibs
> i've used I don't see how you can tack with this arrangement.
> I hope that makes sense. As i am a dummy i have no idea with
> something like this, that's why i'm building a box that i thought
> had one sail to contend with.
>
> Try this:
>
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jspUcollid=993802791105&Uphotoid=24
> 2832274105&collid=993802791105
> to get to the photos you may have to cut and paste it into your
> navigation bar as it is to long to show up as a link. Let me know
if
> it doesn't work.
> I'm a bit ahead of this point now.
>
> Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> Does he mean the jib to be used to windward?
> I cant get into your webphotos with no code,
> DonB

I have no idea Don. I learned how to sail in sturdy cat, simple
dingies and my dad's stonehorse...club footed self tending staysail.
and a 90% roller reefer that you really didn't have to tend to as it
swung when you tacked.

Best i can explain is that the sail we are talking about has a club
with a jaw on one end that bites the main mast down low the other in
held to the forward sail tack. The it's about 8 ft long. The foot of
the jib is about 9 foot the leech 14'6" and the luff 16'.
Since the club intersects the foot and the foot extends 12" or so
behind the mast at the foot. Has one sheet not two like the jibs
i've used I don't see how you can tack with this arrangement.
I hope that makes sense. As i am a dummy i have no idea with
something like this, that's why i'm building a box that i thought
had one sail to contend with.

Try this:
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jspUcollid=993802791105&Uphotoid=24
2832274105&collid=993802791105
to get to the photos you may have to cut and paste it into your
navigation bar as it is to long to show up as a link. Let me know if
it doesn't work.
I'm a bit ahead of this point now.

Jason
Does he mean the jib to be used to windward?
I cant get into your webphotos with no code,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
>
> > If the battened mizzen is larger than the triangular mizzen
> > the jib might be necessary for 'balance'.
>
> That's one of the questions i've got for PCB&F. From what Bolger
> told me he increased the mizzen to keep the balance of moving the
> main mast forward......micro is 16'1" now. The 65 square feet jib
is
> roughly twice the size of the mizzen and it is 98% forward of the
> mast and the club jin pole thingy is about 8 foot forward of the
> mast. Seems to me it could only be managed downwind. I really don't
> want to fly a jib/flat spiniker if i can avoid it, i'm not in that
> big of a hurry. Micro loses a bit of simplicity piece by piece.
> Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> What are the dimensions of the new main sail?

Same as the old one.
Jason
What are the dimensions of the new main sail?
> If the battened mizzen is larger than the triangular mizzen
> the jib might be necessary for 'balance'.

That's one of the questions i've got for PCB&F. From what Bolger
told me he increased the mizzen to keep the balance of moving the
main mast forward......micro is 16'1" now. The 65 square feet jib is
roughly twice the size of the mizzen and it is 98% forward of the
mast and the club jin pole thingy is about 8 foot forward of the
mast. Seems to me it could only be managed downwind. I really don't
want to fly a jib/flat spiniker if i can avoid it, i'm not in that
big of a hurry. Micro loses a bit of simplicity piece by piece.
Jason
Jason Stancil <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
> I really like...the battened mizzen
< (I may pass on the jib)

If the battened mizzen is larger than the triangular mizzen
the jib might be necessary for 'balance'.
Well i decided against the forward companionway as the surgery is'nt
worth the benifits to me. I'm lanky enough to easily throw myself
out the hatch and into the well to deploy anchor/bow lines.....roomy
up there now with no mast step/partner.

I took the sawzaw to the bow transom tonight after work and already
started piecing together the tabernacle parts......going to have to
order another sheet of ply for the aft tabernacle partner/bracing.
DOH! lot's of parts but looks to be an easy job.

I really like the looks of the new rig the battened mizzen is a
sharp match. Also i think that "jib" is what folks call a flat cut
spiniker? May pass on that for a while as i'm pretty lazy when it
comes to sailing. I'm going to contact PCB&F with a couple of
questions about the anti-kerphlumper not sure from the drawing how
far aft it extends but all the talk about slapping at anchor has me
sold on trying it.

Jason

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> Ok-
> here goes the run down.
>
> The sail plan: 35 square foot fully battened chinese gaff mizzen,
> the boomkin now runs on deck and foots into the back of the pilot
> house. Main sail is the same 176 sqft. with a different mainsheet
> arrangement, traveler on cabin top and the vanging is a bit
> different......more lines.....doh! Jib! I two sails is enough for
me!
> 65 square foot loose footed on a 8' sprit(?)gin pole(?) spiniker
pole
> (?)like thing jawed onto mast. That's alot of sail.
> Look in the files section for the fiji sail plan........same thing
> but smaller.
>
> Tabernacle: Still digesting this thing, there is, some serious bow
> transom hacking to be done. Tabernacle sides riun up fron of
transom
> shaped to the sides of the boat the hinged drop down lockstaff is
on
> a lanyard like LMicro but rounded and flush to tabernacle
uprights,
> so now it's a pointy bow.....or at least 4" round up there. Mast
> strikes down ontop of pilot house and is now 19' 6" long.
>
> Bow well and bulkhead #1: I've go some work to do if i follow the
> new plan, because this is all completed. Forward deck extends on
> crown to cover the front side floatation chambers. There is now a
> false floor in the well that can be accessed and used as stowage
via
> hole in #1 bulkhead. Well now drains through side instead of
bottom
> like LM. Front hatch moved forward a hair to now seal a drop board
> for the new forward compainionway(big hole up there) to alllow
> access to forward well. Ventilator is gone of course. Oh, yeah the
> keel is etended to the very tip.
>
> Interior:
> The vaugeness is lessened. There is a drawing of the bulhead
between
> bunks and front dressor's that extends from sole to
> roof.....replaces the beams the three of us have built to
> date......also a bookshelf in the bulkhead.
>
> Below the water line:
> Rudder is longer with 8" endplate now. Finally the anti
kerphlumper!
> Kinda vauge on the drawing i'll have to go poke around my bow to
> clairify this thing but it appears to be 2 pieces of ply fillet
into
> place running from stem to just below water line and attached to
> chines runs to somewher aft of station 14.......pretty much micro
> has a "V" entry now when runny or lying flat.
>
> There are some more details to discover but i've got a deadline to
> meet so i've hidden the plans from myself. I can answer questions
if
> there are any. I could post some low res scans if i get a
consenses
> that it's ok to do so. The 2 new sheets are part of the stock plan
> set in Mass.....you order the navigator sheet (old nav sheet has
> been replaced by new sail plan and bulkhead sheet and the second
> sheet is for the tabernacle) and you get them.
>
> The tabernacle and sails will be changed on my boat as well as the
> rigging. The new bulkhead.....nahh requires too much surgery for
me.
> The new companionway i have to think about. I've already finished
> out all that stuff and spent alot of time laminating that strip
> hatch.....gut feeling is that i'll do it just for ease of anchor
> handling and access and the likes.
>
> Jason
Ok-
here goes the run down.

The sail plan: 35 square foot fully battened chinese gaff mizzen,
the boomkin now runs on deck and foots into the back of the pilot
house. Main sail is the same 176 sqft. with a different mainsheet
arrangement, traveler on cabin top and the vanging is a bit
different......more lines.....doh! Jib! I two sails is enough for me!
65 square foot loose footed on a 8' sprit(?)gin pole(?) spiniker pole
(?)like thing jawed onto mast. That's alot of sail.
Look in the files section for the fiji sail plan........same thing
but smaller.

Tabernacle: Still digesting this thing, there is, some serious bow
transom hacking to be done. Tabernacle sides riun up fron of transom
shaped to the sides of the boat the hinged drop down lockstaff is on
a lanyard like LMicro but rounded and flush to tabernacle uprights,
so now it's a pointy bow.....or at least 4" round up there. Mast
strikes down ontop of pilot house and is now 19' 6" long.

Bow well and bulkhead #1: I've go some work to do if i follow the
new plan, because this is all completed. Forward deck extends on
crown to cover the front side floatation chambers. There is now a
false floor in the well that can be accessed and used as stowage via
hole in #1 bulkhead. Well now drains through side instead of bottom
like LM. Front hatch moved forward a hair to now seal a drop board
for the new forward compainionway(big hole up there) to alllow
access to forward well. Ventilator is gone of course. Oh, yeah the
keel is etended to the very tip.

Interior:
The vaugeness is lessened. There is a drawing of the bulhead between
bunks and front dressor's that extends from sole to
roof.....replaces the beams the three of us have built to
date......also a bookshelf in the bulkhead.

Below the water line:
Rudder is longer with 8" endplate now. Finally the anti kerphlumper!
Kinda vauge on the drawing i'll have to go poke around my bow to
clairify this thing but it appears to be 2 pieces of ply fillet into
place running from stem to just below water line and attached to
chines runs to somewher aft of station 14.......pretty much micro
has a "V" entry now when runny or lying flat.

There are some more details to discover but i've got a deadline to
meet so i've hidden the plans from myself. I can answer questions if
there are any. I could post some low res scans if i get a consenses
that it's ok to do so. The 2 new sheets are part of the stock plan
set in Mass.....you order the navigator sheet (old nav sheet has
been replaced by new sail plan and bulkhead sheet and the second
sheet is for the tabernacle) and you get them.

The tabernacle and sails will be changed on my boat as well as the
rigging. The new bulkhead.....nahh requires too much surgery for me.
The new companionway i have to think about. I've already finished
out all that stuff and spent alot of time laminating that strip
hatch.....gut feeling is that i'll do it just for ease of anchor
handling and access and the likes.

Jason