Re: lateen sails?
Thank you!
Brian
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
> Ijust uploaded a few files of the lateen folding yard on Tween. They're in Bolder4
pictures "Tween"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: briancassity
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
>
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> Yes, please, an image or two would be great! Please don't trouble yourself if you
don't
> already have the images of the hinge. But if they do already exist and you could
post
> them that would be great. I'm not sure where the pictures of "tween" are. I looked
in the
> database and photos folders, but I didn't see a folder labeled "tween" there.
>
> Brian
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
> > If you look closely at the pictures of "tween" I know there's one on dadata :).
The yard
> has about a 24 inch steel plate at the midsection on both sides of the spar. The
way
> Michalak designed it is that by removing two through bolts on the top half of the
plate (I
> use wing nuts) the yard seperates and folds neatly in half. The sail wraps around
the yard
> tied with the rigging line, and it's ready for transport. I can take some digital pics
of the
> hinge if you'd like.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: briancassity
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:01 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by "hinged"? I'm picturing the hinge in the yard. Is that
right?
> > Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any
pictures of
> > that rig?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <eheins@c...> wrote:
> > > I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
> > > interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
> > > this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
> > > to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
> > > lugger etc.>
> > > >
> > > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> > > > boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> > > > fishing
> > > > sailboard.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > > > > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
> > > > > uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
> > > > > tested, low tech rig!
> > > > >
> > > > >http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
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Ijust uploaded a few files of the lateen folding yard on Tween. They're in Bolder4 pictures "Tween"
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From: briancassity
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
Yes, please, an image or two would be great! Please don't trouble yourself if you don't
already have the images of the hinge. But if they do already exist and you could post
them that would be great. I'm not sure where the pictures of "tween" are. I looked in the
database and photos folders, but I didn't see a folder labeled "tween" there.
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
> If you look closely at the pictures of "tween" I know there's one on dadata :). The yard
has about a 24 inch steel plate at the midsection on both sides of the spar. The way
Michalak designed it is that by removing two through bolts on the top half of the plate (I
use wing nuts) the yard seperates and folds neatly in half. The sail wraps around the yard
tied with the rigging line, and it's ready for transport. I can take some digital pics of the
hinge if you'd like.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: briancassity
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:01 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
>
>
> What do you mean by "hinged"? I'm picturing the hinge in the yard. Is that right?
> Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any pictures of
> that rig?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <eheins@c...> wrote:
> > I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
> > interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
> > this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
> > to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
> > lugger etc.>
> > >
> > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> > > boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> > > fishing
> > > sailboard.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > > > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
> > > > uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
> > > > tested, low tech rig!
> > > >
> > > >http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
> > >
> > > --
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Gotcha. Thanks!
Brian
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> It probably depends on what size sail you are talking about. On smaller sails, it
probably doesn't matter much and you can get by with home supply " white wood "
(which I think is some kind of hemlock). As your sail increases in size, I'd try for
spruce or fir.
>
> John T
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> From: Dennis
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:51 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: what wood for lateen yard?
>
>
> In mine, I used 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 conveniently and cheaply ripped from a
> suitable 2x4 of spf. I've not had a failure in 4 years. Knots are not
> a good thing unless they are small and tight.
>
> Dennis
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
> wrote:
> > Guys, I thank you for the answers, and now I have another question.
> Do any of the
> > lateen sail plans in _100 Small Boat Plans_ offer any suggestions
> on what type of
> > wood to use for the long yard of a lateen sail? I've read that one
> can use ash for
> > battens in a junk rig, so perhaps one or two ash rods together
> would make a good
> > lateen yard...
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > > jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and
> a boomed,
> > > > Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> fishing
> > > > sailboard.
> > >
> > > Pirate Racer has the classic Lateen, rig 20. while Zephyr,
> Tortoise,
> > > [and even Superbrick!] have the 'Mediterranean' Lateen with Boom
> rig 22.
> > > As does the deep sea fishing boat I think you are mention, the
> Nina.
> > >
> > > Brian Cassity was asking about the Settee, [Arabian Lateen],
> > > Rig 21, which is four sided with a short luff.
>
>
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Yes, please, an image or two would be great! Please don't trouble yourself if you don't
already have the images of the hinge. But if they do already exist and you could post
them that would be great. I'm not sure where the pictures of "tween" are. I looked in the
database and photos folders, but I didn't see a folder labeled "tween" there.
Brian
already have the images of the hinge. But if they do already exist and you could post
them that would be great. I'm not sure where the pictures of "tween" are. I looked in the
database and photos folders, but I didn't see a folder labeled "tween" there.
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
> If you look closely at the pictures of "tween" I know there's one on dadata :). The yard
has about a 24 inch steel plate at the midsection on both sides of the spar. The way
Michalak designed it is that by removing two through bolts on the top half of the plate (I
use wing nuts) the yard seperates and folds neatly in half. The sail wraps around the yard
tied with the rigging line, and it's ready for transport. I can take some digital pics of the
hinge if you'd like.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: briancassity
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:01 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
>
>
> What do you mean by "hinged"? I'm picturing the hinge in the yard. Is that right?
> Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any pictures of
> that rig?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <eheins@c...> wrote:
> > I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
> > interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
> > this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
> > to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
> > lugger etc.>
> > >
> > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> > > boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> > > fishing
> > > sailboard.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > > > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
> > > > uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
> > > > tested, low tech rig!
> > > >
> > > >http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> &
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On 30 Jul 2004 at 12:36, pvanderwaart wrote:
a chop quite interesting), but also its weight. little wind and
motorboat wakes make the big stick jump about up there and it shakes
any shape out of the sail. sitting on the lee side to heel the boat
helps.
have to admit my yard is not per plans but a fg windsurfer mast
lenghtened a bit with a wooden plug at the heel. I don't know if my
spar is heavier or lighter than the real thing.
having said that, I like the overall performance of the rig A LOT.
one string to pull, reefed shape is good, gybing is fun.
plus, short mast + can be built of cheap materials.
hannes
> in the sail without a vang. The downside, if it is one, of the lateenIt is not only the length of the yard (which makes reefing zephyr in
> is that the yard (upper boom) is long. This may be more convenient
> that a long mast (as per Teale, Surf, etc) but is less convenient than
> some sprit rigs with shorter spars. For the sailboard rig, the yard
a chop quite interesting), but also its weight. little wind and
motorboat wakes make the big stick jump about up there and it shakes
any shape out of the sail. sitting on the lee side to heel the boat
helps.
have to admit my yard is not per plans but a fg windsurfer mast
lenghtened a bit with a wooden plug at the heel. I don't know if my
spar is heavier or lighter than the real thing.
having said that, I like the overall performance of the rig A LOT.
one string to pull, reefed shape is good, gybing is fun.
plus, short mast + can be built of cheap materials.
hannes
It probably depends on what size sail you are talking about. On smaller sails, it probably doesn't matter much and you can get by with home supply " white wood " (which I think is some kind of hemlock). As your sail increases in size, I'd try for spruce or fir.
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: what wood for lateen yard?
In mine, I used 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 conveniently and cheaply ripped from a
suitable 2x4 of spf. I've not had a failure in 4 years. Knots are not
a good thing unless they are small and tight.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
wrote:
> Guys, I thank you for the answers, and now I have another question.
Do any of the
> lateen sail plans in _100 Small Boat Plans_ offer any suggestions
on what type of
> wood to use for the long yard of a lateen sail? I've read that one
can use ash for
> battens in a junk rig, so perhaps one or two ash rods together
would make a good
> lateen yard...
>
> Brian
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and
a boomed,
> > > Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
fishing
> > > sailboard.
> >
> > Pirate Racer has the classic Lateen, rig 20. while Zephyr,
Tortoise,
> > [and even Superbrick!] have the 'Mediterranean' Lateen with Boom
rig 22.
> > As does the deep sea fishing boat I think you are mention, the
Nina.
> >
> > Brian Cassity was asking about the Settee, [Arabian Lateen],
> > Rig 21, which is four sided with a short luff.
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If you look closely at the pictures of "tween" I know there's one on dadata :). The yard has about a 24 inch steel plate at the midsection on both sides of the spar. The way Michalak designed it is that by removing two through bolts on the top half of the plate (I use wing nuts) the yard seperates and folds neatly in half. The sail wraps around the yard tied with the rigging line, and it's ready for transport. I can take some digital pics of the hinge if you'd like.
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: lateen sails?
What do you mean by "hinged"? I'm picturing the hinge in the yard. Is that right?
Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any pictures of
that rig?
Thanks!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <eheins@c...> wrote:
> I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
> interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
> this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
> to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
> lugger etc.>
> >
> > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> > boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> > fishing
> > sailboard.
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > > ...
> > > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
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In mine, I used 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 conveniently and cheaply ripped from a
suitable 2x4 of spf. I've not had a failure in 4 years. Knots are not
a good thing unless they are small and tight.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
wrote:
suitable 2x4 of spf. I've not had a failure in 4 years. Knots are not
a good thing unless they are small and tight.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
wrote:
> Guys, I thank you for the answers, and now I have another question.Do any of the
> lateen sail plans in _100 Small Boat Plans_ offer any suggestionson what type of
> wood to use for the long yard of a lateen sail? I've read that onecan use ash for
> battens in a junk rig, so perhaps one or two ash rods togetherwould make a good
> lateen yard...a boomed,
>
> Brian
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and
> > > Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-seafishing
> > > sailboard.Tortoise,
> >
> > Pirate Racer has the classic Lateen, rig 20. while Zephyr,
> > [and even Superbrick!] have the 'Mediterranean' Lateen with Boomrig 22.
> > As does the deep sea fishing boat I think you are mention, theNina.
> >
> > Brian Cassity was asking about the Settee, [Arabian Lateen],
> > Rig 21, which is four sided with a short luff.
Guys, I thank you for the answers, and now I have another question. Do any of the
lateen sail plans in _100 Small Boat Plans_ offer any suggestions on what type of
wood to use for the long yard of a lateen sail? I've read that one can use ash for
battens in a junk rig, so perhaps one or two ash rods together would make a good
lateen yard...
Brian
lateen sail plans in _100 Small Boat Plans_ offer any suggestions on what type of
wood to use for the long yard of a lateen sail? I've read that one can use ash for
battens in a junk rig, so perhaps one or two ash rods together would make a good
lateen yard...
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a boomed,
> > Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea fishing
> > sailboard.
>
> Pirate Racer has the classic Lateen, rig 20. while Zephyr, Tortoise,
> [and even Superbrick!] have the 'Mediterranean' Lateen with Boom rig 22.
> As does the deep sea fishing boat I think you are mention, the Nina.
>
> Brian Cassity was asking about the Settee, [Arabian Lateen],
> Rig 21, which is four sided with a short luff.
What do you mean by "hinged"? I'm picturing the hinge in the yard. Is that right?
Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any pictures of
that rig?
Thanks!
Instead of tying two shorter yards together to form one long one? Got any pictures of
that rig?
Thanks!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <eheins@c...> wrote:
> I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
> interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
> this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
> to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
> lugger etc.>
> >
> > Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> > boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> > fishing
> > sailboard.
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > > ...
> > > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
> > > uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
> > >
> > > Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
> > > tested, low tech rig!
> > >
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
> >
> > --
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>jhkohnen@...wrote:Pirate Racer has the classic Lateen, rig 20. while Zephyr, Tortoise,
> Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a boomed,
> Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea fishing
> sailboard.
[and even Superbrick!] have the 'Mediterranean' Lateen with Boom rig 22.
As does the deep sea fishing boat I think you are mention, the Nina.
Brian Cassity was asking about the Settee, [Arabian Lateen],
Rig 21, which is four sided with a short luff.
> Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer,He is also reported to have approved of putting the Sunfish lateen
> and a boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think,
> the deep-sea fishing sailboard.(Nina)
rig on the $200 sailboat version of Featherwind, saying it was an
improvement.
Somewhere he pointed out that the Sunfish version controls the twist
in the sail without a vang. The downside, if it is one, of the
lateen is that the yard (upper boom) is long. This may be more
convenient that a long mast (as per Teale, Surf, etc) but is less
convenient than some sprit rigs with shorter spars. For the
sailboard rig, the yard and the boom are the same length. For a more
traditional lateen, the yard is longer than the foot and the boom is
sometimes omitted (as on the Pirate Racer).
Peter
I built the prototype "Tween" dink from Jim Michalak. It's got an
interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
lugger etc.>
interesting hinged latteen sail that works great. I always wondered why
this sail plan wasn't used more often. Regardless the hinged yard seems
to work as advertised and overall I like the look of the lateen vs a
lugger etc.>
>
> Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a
> boomed, Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea
> fishing
> sailboard.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> > ...
> > I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> > rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
> > uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
> >
> > Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
> > tested, low tech rig!
> >
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
>
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Bolger put a loose-footed lateen sail on the Pirate Racer, and a boomed,
Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea fishing
sailboard.
Sunfish-style lateen on Zephyr and, I think, the deep-sea fishing
sailboard.
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:17:43 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> ...
> I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
> rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
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>
> Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
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Thanks for the advice, guys! I'll check out the Bolger book and look for the google
images.
Brian
images.
Brian
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> Brian,
>
> Bolger's "100 Small Boat Rigs" (is there a new edition
> called "101 ... Rigs"?) devotes nine pages to lateen rigs, including
> the settee and the boomed lateen. To attempt a summary: it's an
> efficient rig, but the long yard is unwieldy. You will find plenty of
> information on the www too. Don't forget to search Google Images.
>
> And here is a quotation from Bolger's preface that some might find
> amusing: "I'm told, though it's hard to believe, that there are
> individuals, even households, that don't possess an unabridged
> dictionary."
>
> These days, I doubt whether more than 1 in 20 English-speaking
> households would have one. But I guess, even twenty years ago, PCB
> was being ironic.
>
> Howard
>
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> wrote:
> > I am now signed on to that group too. I'm actually hoping to find
> information on
> > boats larger than canoes (say, 25 ft. to 35 ft.), but will take a
> look at anything on the
> > subject of lateen sails.
briancassity rote:
...has a good description of this rig.
Bolger also describes it, Rig 21, in his book
_103 Sailing Rigs_. [A great, must have, book.]
I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
tested, low tech rig!
http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
> Does anyone know where I might find informationhttp://nabataea.net/ships.html
> on rigging a lateen (settee) sail?
...has a good description of this rig.
Bolger also describes it, Rig 21, in his book
_103 Sailing Rigs_. [A great, must have, book.]
I am unaware of Bolger ever using this sail
rig on a boat of his design. Though he often
uses the similar Dipping Lug rig.
Looks like a great, old-fashioned, tried and
tested, low tech rig!
http://hallman.org/bolger/rigs/21.gif
Brian,
Bolger's "100 Small Boat Rigs" (is there a new edition
called "101 ... Rigs"?) devotes nine pages to lateen rigs, including
the settee and the boomed lateen. To attempt a summary: it's an
efficient rig, but the long yard is unwieldy. You will find plenty of
information on the www too. Don't forget to search Google Images.
And here is a quotation from Bolger's preface that some might find
amusing: "I'm told, though it's hard to believe, that there are
individuals, even households, that don't possess an unabridged
dictionary."
These days, I doubt whether more than 1 in 20 English-speaking
households would have one. But I guess, even twenty years ago, PCB
was being ironic.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
wrote:
Bolger's "100 Small Boat Rigs" (is there a new edition
called "101 ... Rigs"?) devotes nine pages to lateen rigs, including
the settee and the boomed lateen. To attempt a summary: it's an
efficient rig, but the long yard is unwieldy. You will find plenty of
information on the www too. Don't forget to search Google Images.
And here is a quotation from Bolger's preface that some might find
amusing: "I'm told, though it's hard to believe, that there are
individuals, even households, that don't possess an unabridged
dictionary."
These days, I doubt whether more than 1 in 20 English-speaking
households would have one. But I guess, even twenty years ago, PCB
was being ironic.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briancassity" <briancassity@y...>
wrote:
> I am now signed on to that group too. I'm actually hoping to findinformation on
> boats larger than canoes (say, 25 ft. to 35 ft.), but will take alook at anything on the
> subject of lateen sails.
I am now signed on to that group too. I'm actually hoping to find information on
boats larger than canoes (say, 25 ft. to 35 ft.), but will take a look at anything on the
subject of lateen sails.
Thanks!
Brian
boats larger than canoes (say, 25 ft. to 35 ft.), but will take a look at anything on the
subject of lateen sails.
Thanks!
Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Paxton" <bill@p...> wrote:
> You might try the sailing canoe forum
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailing_canoes
>
> Check the links for the American Canoe Association.
You might try the sailing canoe forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailing_canoes
Check the links for the American Canoe Association.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailing_canoes
Check the links for the American Canoe Association.
Does anyone know where I might find information on rigging a lateen (settee) sail? I
know it should be simple compared to a Bermudian rig, but I'd still like further
information on the lateen rig.
Thanks in advance for any information that might help!
Brian
know it should be simple compared to a Bermudian rig, but I'd still like further
information on the lateen rig.
Thanks in advance for any information that might help!
Brian