Re: Recomendation for good live a board for couple
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jimbo Bluez <bluezpoet2001@y...>
wrote:
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> I really liked the book "Voyaging on a small income"I believe her name is Annie Hill.Anne Rice wrote the wonderful
> by anne rice,
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> Jimbo Bluez <bluezpoet2001@...> wrote:Many to choose from, but the Le Cabotin comes to
> sails, but wondering if Bolger has plans for a good
> live a board in the 30-40' ball park that would be
> inexpensive to build and yet comfortable to live, I am
mind. AS-39. See the chapter about it in the Bolger
book _Boats with an Open Mind_ . There is also a
website,
http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
I really liked the book "Voyaging on a small income"
by anne rice, at one time I owned the 37' sister to
that boat, I lived aboard but never got a mast or
sails, but wondering if Bolger has plans for a good
live a board in the 30-40' ball park that would be
inexpensive to build and yet comfortable to live, I am
not a gold plated sailer, the simpler the better.
Jim
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by anne rice, at one time I owned the 37' sister to
that boat, I lived aboard but never got a mast or
sails, but wondering if Bolger has plans for a good
live a board in the 30-40' ball park that would be
inexpensive to build and yet comfortable to live, I am
not a gold plated sailer, the simpler the better.
Jim
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> There are 11 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: When is a design "based on" or copied?
> From: "Howard Stephenson"
> <stephensonhw@...>
> 2. Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "Howard Stephenson"
> <stephensonhw@...>
> 3. RE: Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "David Romasco"
> <dromasco@...>
> 4. RE: Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "Robert Gainer"
> <robert_gainer@...>
> 5. Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "pvanderwaart"
> <pvanderwaart@...>
> 6. diablo 15
> From: "tysond99" <tysond99@...>
> 7. Re: diablo 15
> From: "Howard Stephenson"
> <stephensonhw@...>
> 8. Re: installing brass half oval on rubrails
> and sheer strip?
> From: "Peter Lenihan"
> <peterlenihan@...>
> 9. Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "Peter Lenihan"
> <peterlenihan@...>
> 10. Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "Peter Lenihan"
> <peterlenihan@...>
> 11. Re: AS-29's current form
> From: "pvanderwaart"
> <pvanderwaart@...>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:01:21 -0000
> From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
> Subject: Re: When is a design "based on" or copied?
>
> Juan,
>
> Even from the legal point of view the situation is
> uncertain. It
> would be illegal to make and sell an exact copy of
> someone else's
> copyright design, but my understanding is that
> making a few minor
> changes will get around the copyright.
>
> Every boat design copies, at least in part, other
> people's work.
> Honest designers, e.g. our guru, acknowledge the
> debt they owe to
> others.
>
> Howard
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, juan negron
> <juan.negron@g...> wrote:
> > I am wondering, where is the line between a
> design being based on
> > someones design, and when is it a copy?
> >
> > I have seen designs which are almost the exact
> lines and dimensions
> of
> > another design, but neither mentions the other as
> having a relation.
> >
> > Other times I have seen designs which have the
> same general
> dimensions
> > and lines, but diferentiating features, and
> sometimes mention the
> > original designs ( Michalack comes to mind), and
> sometimes not.
> >
> > Juan.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:23:18 -0000
> From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
> Subject: Re: AS-29's current form
>
> I've often thought that the best way to design and
> build a hull like
> AS29 or, say, Blackgauntlet, would be to build it
> out of steel up to
> about the waterline and build the topsides and
> superstructure out of
> plywood. The ply would overlap the steel and
> connected to it with ss
> bolts through the ply and steel and a wooden
> stringer on the outside.
>
> This would be relatively easy to construct. The
> weight and strength
> would be where it is most needed. Has this ever been
> done?
>
> Howard
>
> -- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman
> <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > Jason Stancil <jasonstancil@h...> wrote:
> > > Also how do you attach a steel shoe with out
> letting
> > > water seep into the ply bottom? Dump truck load
> of
> > > 5200 followed by 18 coats of paint?
> >
> > I think the steel needs to be in 2 foot sections
> to
> > avoid problems with differential thermal
> expansion.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:40:16 -0400
> From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: AS-29's current form
>
> Because a properly designed steel vessel in that
> size would in fact be
> lighter when the entire hull and deck were steel;
> steel is a lighter
> building material than plywood (above dinghy sizes)
> when properly designed
> and fabricated. The reason you don't see it in more
> common use is simply
> because of the ease of fiberglass for mass
> production, and the simple
> technology of plywood for amateur construction. In
> addition to the above,
> such a composite scheme involving materials with
> radically different
> expansion coefficients would almost certainly lead
> to difficulties in
> maintaining watertight integrity (sorry about the
> jargon, but you get the
> idea).
>
> I salute those who attempt the Bolger steel shoe. I
> spent many an hour over
> the plans for Bolger's Blackgauntlet II when they
> were released around forty
> years ago (!), and to this day I'm still not
> comfortable with the many
> methods I've since heard suggested for attaching
> those plates. These days,
> I'd even wonder about shaping the plates carefully
> to the bottom curve, and
> applying them with 5200 as their sole means of
> support; those of you who
> have tangled with undoing that singular substance
> will know what I mean.
>
> David Romasco
>
> _____
>
> From: Howard Stephenson
> [mailto:stephensonhw@...]
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:23 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: AS-29's current form
>
>
> I've often thought that the best way to design and
> build a hull like
> AS29 or, say, Blackgauntlet, would be to build it
> out of steel up to
> about the waterline and build the topsides and
> superstructure
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