Re: The misadventures of A2's Micro......
To my eye, Bruce, you have it about right at 18" as drawn. The
measurement is taken from the top of the transom to the bottom of the
cavitation plate.
Around 1980, my family had a 25' Cruisers Incorporated deep-V cuddy
with an unreliable engine. We added an up-down kicker bracket to her,
and hung a 6 hp, 15" shaft Evinirude there. This worked just fine in
tests in calm conditions on the river. However, one blustery
afternoon I was running near Pelee Island on Lake Erie when the main
engine died and refused to restart. No problem, I just went to the
transom, lowered the bracket, started the kicker, shifted it into gear
and gave it some throttle. With the pitching and rolling that that
high-sided deep-V was doing in 3-5' chop, I could not keep the prop in
the water enough of the time to make headway upwind (toward home). I
ended up using the kicker to "influence" the direction of my downwind
drift onto the island, then spent a couple of days tied up at a dock
on the island until the lake calmed down a bit. When I finally made
it back home, one of the first things I did was add a shaft extension
kit to that kicker, ruining it for use on our little aluminum skiff
but making it much more effective as an auxiliary engine for the
bigger boat.
Sailboats and others that have a lot of rocker often pitch fore and
aft with waves and weight shifts such that their transoms rise quite a
ways above the water, much as the aft quarter did on our old boat.
The two usual arguments for the shortest-possible shaft are to avoid
excess draft and to avoid drag at speed under power. Neither of these
arguments would seem to hold much sway on the Micro. The Micro's keel
will be your deepest point even with a long shaft, and she is not
going to power fast enough to notice the extra drag of 5" more shaft.
From the drawing, it appears that a 15" motor would probably be ok in
calm water. Overall, though, a 20" motor ought to be more
satisfactory on a Micro.
-- Bob
measurement is taken from the top of the transom to the bottom of the
cavitation plate.
Around 1980, my family had a 25' Cruisers Incorporated deep-V cuddy
with an unreliable engine. We added an up-down kicker bracket to her,
and hung a 6 hp, 15" shaft Evinirude there. This worked just fine in
tests in calm conditions on the river. However, one blustery
afternoon I was running near Pelee Island on Lake Erie when the main
engine died and refused to restart. No problem, I just went to the
transom, lowered the bracket, started the kicker, shifted it into gear
and gave it some throttle. With the pitching and rolling that that
high-sided deep-V was doing in 3-5' chop, I could not keep the prop in
the water enough of the time to make headway upwind (toward home). I
ended up using the kicker to "influence" the direction of my downwind
drift onto the island, then spent a couple of days tied up at a dock
on the island until the lake calmed down a bit. When I finally made
it back home, one of the first things I did was add a shaft extension
kit to that kicker, ruining it for use on our little aluminum skiff
but making it much more effective as an auxiliary engine for the
bigger boat.
Sailboats and others that have a lot of rocker often pitch fore and
aft with waves and weight shifts such that their transoms rise quite a
ways above the water, much as the aft quarter did on our old boat.
The two usual arguments for the shortest-possible shaft are to avoid
excess draft and to avoid drag at speed under power. Neither of these
arguments would seem to hold much sway on the Micro. The Micro's keel
will be your deepest point even with a long shaft, and she is not
going to power fast enough to notice the extra drag of 5" more shaft.
From the drawing, it appears that a 15" motor would probably be ok in
calm water. Overall, though, a 20" motor ought to be more
satisfactory on a Micro.
-- Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> >Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
> > measure the clamp-to-cavitation-plate distance on the original plan
>
> Scales to be 20" [or maybe 18"?], probably long shaft.
>
> I just checked the building key, including item 51 and it
> doesn't mention the outboard shaft length.
I used an Evinrude 4hp on my Micro, long shaft 20". The prop would
always stay in the water even with a following sea running. Also,
the keel and rudder protect the prop from grounding out since they
are deeper in the water than the 20" prop. Therefore, I vote for
the long shaft. The boomkin prevented any hostile stern crossers
from hitting the motor with the motor tilted. The prop remained
submerged even if I went forward to tend the anchor.
If you are only doing lakes and small bays, the 15" would get you
by. Sit in the stern if it cavitates.
Happy boating.
David Jost
always stay in the water even with a following sea running. Also,
the keel and rudder protect the prop from grounding out since they
are deeper in the water than the 20" prop. Therefore, I vote for
the long shaft. The boomkin prevented any hostile stern crossers
from hitting the motor with the motor tilted. The prop remained
submerged even if I went forward to tend the anchor.
If you are only doing lakes and small bays, the 15" would get you
by. Sit in the stern if it cavitates.
Happy boating.
David Jost
First I'ld like to thank everyone for thier input. I enjoy reading
y'alls replys very much.
I checked out the smallmotors website, and they do seem to be alright.
Although I found the same Briggs and Stranton on ebay for about 80
dollars cheaper ( including shipping )
I hope it works out to wear I can sell the star class boat and use the
money for a motor...We'll see.
Thanks again for everyones help and keep it coming. I need as much as
I can get.
A2
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill and Carol Deane" <wfdeane@m...>
wrote:
motors. Maybe someone else can give a thumbs up or down on this company.
y'alls replys very much.
I checked out the smallmotors website, and they do seem to be alright.
Although I found the same Briggs and Stranton on ebay for about 80
dollars cheaper ( including shipping )
I hope it works out to wear I can sell the star class boat and use the
money for a motor...We'll see.
Thanks again for everyones help and keep it coming. I need as much as
I can get.
A2
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill and Carol Deane" <wfdeane@m...>
wrote:
> Aaron,but they seem to have a pretty good business and good pricing for used
>
> I haven't used the small motor outlet with the website listed below,
motors. Maybe someone else can give a thumbs up or down on this company.
Split rigs like Micro's cat-yawl have problems and joys.
1. If you are being over powered and need to ease the sail, ease the main. This will cause the boat to point up.
2. As you tack, release the mizzen sheet. Otherwise, the mizzen will stop you in irons.
3. By easing or sheeting the mizzen, you can go all the way from a lee helm to a weather helm. In other words, by easing the mizzen, you can fall off; by sheeting the mizzen, you can head up--all without touching the tiller. A variation of this is that you can trim the main and mizzen to hold a course anywhere above a broad reach.
4.With a little experimentation, you can use the mizzen as an "air brake" and slow/stop a boat which would otherwise crash into a dock!
Play with your rig and have fun.
John T
1. If you are being over powered and need to ease the sail, ease the main. This will cause the boat to point up.
2. As you tack, release the mizzen sheet. Otherwise, the mizzen will stop you in irons.
3. By easing or sheeting the mizzen, you can go all the way from a lee helm to a weather helm. In other words, by easing the mizzen, you can fall off; by sheeting the mizzen, you can head up--all without touching the tiller. A variation of this is that you can trim the main and mizzen to hold a course anywhere above a broad reach.
4.With a little experimentation, you can use the mizzen as an "air brake" and slow/stop a boat which would otherwise crash into a dock!
Play with your rig and have fun.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Waters
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: The misadventures of A2's Micro......
Micro's hull form / keel &c will make something good to windward assuming a
sailplan which allows a reasonably balanced helm. As David says, not a J24,
but we're not humiliated by any of the local trailer sailers either. Decent
three dimensional sail shape becomes important here, I believe. The 'Chinese
Gaff' rig seems to work to windward fine. More strings to pull, and compared
to the sprit-boom rig more opportunities for me to mess up sail set I guess,
but doable. If I was in a big hurry to get to windward I would motor.
Outboard shaft length: There's enough depth in the keel aft to allow a long
shaft without fear of striking the prop in a grounding, at the cost of
increased drag and leverage at the transom. We've run both. Our current
short shaft motor will pitch out of the water if a heavy crewmember is
standing atop the bow transom. PCB's drawings show a short shaft motor.
Cheers
Derek
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Aaron,
I haven't used the small motor outlet with the website listed below, but they seem to have a pretty good business and good pricing for used motors. Maybe someone else can give a thumbs up or down on this company.
http://www.smalloutboards.com/
Bill Deane
I haven't used the small motor outlet with the website listed below, but they seem to have a pretty good business and good pricing for used motors. Maybe someone else can give a thumbs up or down on this company.
http://www.smalloutboards.com/
Bill Deane
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Arguien
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: The misadventures of A2's Micro......
I think part of my issue, is that I had never sailed with a balanced
lub rig....Not only that I know that it is not set up correctly.
Still reasearching photos that I have found on line, to see what I
need to do.
The guy I bought it from ( cough TIM Cough ) said that he was going to
send me some photos that he had of it set up...but has yet to do so....
I'm in the market for a longshaft, 5hp motor for her also.
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Long / Short shaft: Every dealer, mechanic or 'expert' I spoke to seemed to
have a different opinion. Clamp to plate seems clear enough, but things got
murkier once reality reared it's head. The plans and rule are beside me as I
write: PCB's drawing shows 18 inches from the transom to the lower face of
the plate, and fourteen inches to the waterline, in neutral trim.
Our old Honda 9.9 was a long shaft motor, and the prop, plate etc were much
lower than shown on the diagram. The current motor is a Nissan / Tohatsu 5
horse described on the manufacturers website as being 'for a 15 inch
transom'. It is the short shaft version, the long shaft unit is 'for a 20
inch transom'.
With the short shaft "fifteen inch" motor mounted, our prop is pretty much
exactly at the level shown on the diagram. Go figure :)
FWIW, the 9.9 pushed the boat fine, but was far more motor than the hull
could use, and I winced at the leverage its mass exerted on the [well over
scantlings] transom everytime we crashed down in the chop....
cheers
Derek
have a different opinion. Clamp to plate seems clear enough, but things got
murkier once reality reared it's head. The plans and rule are beside me as I
write: PCB's drawing shows 18 inches from the transom to the lower face of
the plate, and fourteen inches to the waterline, in neutral trim.
Our old Honda 9.9 was a long shaft motor, and the prop, plate etc were much
lower than shown on the diagram. The current motor is a Nissan / Tohatsu 5
horse described on the manufacturers website as being 'for a 15 inch
transom'. It is the short shaft version, the long shaft unit is 'for a 20
inch transom'.
With the short shaft "fifteen inch" motor mounted, our prop is pretty much
exactly at the level shown on the diagram. Go figure :)
FWIW, the 9.9 pushed the boat fine, but was far more motor than the hull
could use, and I winced at the leverage its mass exerted on the [well over
scantlings] transom everytime we crashed down in the chop....
cheers
Derek
People with actual practical Micro experience have answered the query
re shaft length better than I can.
My idea was to measure from the point where the motor rests on the
transom down to the bottom of the cavitation plate and then compare
this with an actual motor. The 15" or 20" standards are not the same
as this distance; they are meant to be the perpendicular distance
from the top of the transom to the bottom of the boat. It's more
relevant to light planing hulls than to something like a Micro, where
a pitching hull will allow a shallow prop to emerge.
Howard
re shaft length better than I can.
My idea was to measure from the point where the motor rests on the
transom down to the bottom of the cavitation plate and then compare
this with an actual motor. The 15" or 20" standards are not the same
as this distance; they are meant to be the perpendicular distance
from the top of the transom to the bottom of the boat. It's more
relevant to light planing hulls than to something like a Micro, where
a pitching hull will allow a shallow prop to emerge.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > PCB's drawings show a short shaft motor.
>
> I admit to being confused about where to measure
> "from" and "to" when measuring shaft length.
>
> Here is a scan of the plan, with a cut and
> paste of the 10" dimension.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/micro/outboard.gif
> PCB's drawings show a short shaft motor.I admit to being confused about where to measure
"from" and "to" when measuring shaft length.
Here is a scan of the plan, with a cut and
paste of the 10" dimension.
http://hallman.org/bolger/micro/outboard.gif
>Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:Scales to be 20" [or maybe 18"?], probably long shaft.
> measure the clamp-to-cavitation-plate distance on the original plan
I just checked the building key, including item 51 and it
doesn't mention the outboard shaft length.
Micro's hull form / keel &c will make something good to windward assuming a
sailplan which allows a reasonably balanced helm. As David says, not a J24,
but we're not humiliated by any of the local trailer sailers either. Decent
three dimensional sail shape becomes important here, I believe. The 'Chinese
Gaff' rig seems to work to windward fine. More strings to pull, and compared
to the sprit-boom rig more opportunities for me to mess up sail set I guess,
but doable. If I was in a big hurry to get to windward I would motor.
Outboard shaft length: There's enough depth in the keel aft to allow a long
shaft without fear of striking the prop in a grounding, at the cost of
increased drag and leverage at the transom. We've run both. Our current
short shaft motor will pitch out of the water if a heavy crewmember is
standing atop the bow transom. PCB's drawings show a short shaft motor.
Cheers
Derek
sailplan which allows a reasonably balanced helm. As David says, not a J24,
but we're not humiliated by any of the local trailer sailers either. Decent
three dimensional sail shape becomes important here, I believe. The 'Chinese
Gaff' rig seems to work to windward fine. More strings to pull, and compared
to the sprit-boom rig more opportunities for me to mess up sail set I guess,
but doable. If I was in a big hurry to get to windward I would motor.
Outboard shaft length: There's enough depth in the keel aft to allow a long
shaft without fear of striking the prop in a grounding, at the cost of
increased drag and leverage at the transom. We've run both. Our current
short shaft motor will pitch out of the water if a heavy crewmember is
standing atop the bow transom. PCB's drawings show a short shaft motor.
Cheers
Derek
The drawing in BWAOM shows the outboard motor -- item 51 on the
building key. If the key doesn't say whether to use a long- or short-
shaft motor, you should be able to measure the clamp-to-cavitation-
plate distance on the original plan and make sure you get a motor
that has the same distance.
Howard
building key. If the key doesn't say whether to use a long- or short-
shaft motor, you should be able to measure the clamp-to-cavitation-
plate distance on the original plan and make sure you get a motor
that has the same distance.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> I don't know what Bolger's opinion is regarding
> short shaft versus long shaft on a Micro.
I am trying to remember, but I think that I recall that
I heard from Peter Lenihan that a short
shaft outboard was a good fit for a standard Micro.
I don't know what Bolger's opinion is regarding
short shaft versus long shaft on a Micro.
I heard from Peter Lenihan that a short
shaft outboard was a good fit for a standard Micro.
I don't know what Bolger's opinion is regarding
short shaft versus long shaft on a Micro.
> I have been advised, that a 'standard' Micro transom isIf that is what bolger said so be it. But my transom is to the
> suited for a short shaft outboard,
plans....plus deck and my longshaft honda (albeit small) is a perfect
fit, too the point a shorty would possibly cavitate on a lightly
loaded/built micro. I could be wrong.
Jason
Aaron -
As you know, Micro is not a J24 in regards to upwind performance.
It will sail better to windward with the leeward chine in the
water. Therefore, induce heel to help particularly in light winds.
Good luck,
David Jost
As you know, Micro is not a J24 in regards to upwind performance.
It will sail better to windward with the leeward chine in the
water. Therefore, induce heel to help particularly in light winds.
Good luck,
David Jost
Aaron Arguien wrote:
is significantly different than the sprit sail
as designed? That might have contributed
to the problem...?
suited for a short shaft outboard,
> [Micro] with a balanced lug rig....I wonder if the geometry of a balanced lug
is significantly different than the sprit sail
as designed? That might have contributed
to the problem...?
> I'm in the market for a longshaft, 5hp motor for her also.I have been advised, that a 'standard' Micro transom is
suited for a short shaft outboard,
Aaron-
Jim M.'s newsletters have some great info on setting a balaced lug
here:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2002/1201/index.htm#Rigg
ing%20A%20Lugsail
I have about 50 pictures of your boat sailing if you would like some
i could share. I got them from shorty when i was researching
puttting a lug sail on my micro.
The micro and the balanced lug are both known not to point very high
so maybe the combination of the two make it expecially tricky in
tight quarters?
Jason
Jim M.'s newsletters have some great info on setting a balaced lug
here:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2002/1201/index.htm#Rigg
ing%20A%20Lugsail
I have about 50 pictures of your boat sailing if you would like some
i could share. I got them from shorty when i was researching
puttting a lug sail on my micro.
The micro and the balanced lug are both known not to point very high
so maybe the combination of the two make it expecially tricky in
tight quarters?
Jason
I think part of my issue, is that I had never sailed with a balanced
lub rig....Not only that I know that it is not set up correctly.
Still reasearching photos that I have found on line, to see what I
need to do.
The guy I bought it from ( cough TIM Cough ) said that he was going to
send me some photos that he had of it set up...but has yet to do so....
I'm in the market for a longshaft, 5hp motor for her also.
lub rig....Not only that I know that it is not set up correctly.
Still reasearching photos that I have found on line, to see what I
need to do.
The guy I bought it from ( cough TIM Cough ) said that he was going to
send me some photos that he had of it set up...but has yet to do so....
I'm in the market for a longshaft, 5hp motor for her also.
I guess you have read "Chebacco Sailing 101" (on the left side of
http://www.chebacco.com/)? They make it sound very like sailing a sloop
except that in lighter airs one can balance the helm with the mizzen.
Chebacco's not a Micro, but it is a cat-yawl.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
http://www.chebacco.com/)? They make it sound very like sailing a sloop
except that in lighter airs one can balance the helm with the mizzen.
Chebacco's not a Micro, but it is a cat-yawl.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack&Lois" <jalo@...>
> I whole heartedly second Bruce's request for insight into windward
> Micro sailing. I've zero experience with Micro or cat-yawl sailing,
> period. Aim to launch Teah McGee within the next ten days in
> Mahone Bay, where I have free mooring for the remainder of the
> season. I greatly appreciate Aaron's emphatic warning to "practice
> in the bay". That's just what I have in mind before bringing her home
> to the Bay of Fundy, where mistakes can be lethal. But gentle and
> protected Mahone Bay is still North Atlantic water, so the more I
> know before hand the better, so wise windward words are welcomed.
>
> jeb, near launch ready, with fear and loathing on the sinister shores of
> Fundy
I whole heartedly second Bruce's request for insight into windward Micro
sailing. I've zero experience with Micro or cat-yawl sailing, period. Aim to
launch Teah McGee within the next ten days in Mahone Bay, where I have free
mooring for the remainder of the season. I greatly appreciate Aaron's
emphatic warning to "practice in the bay". That's just what I have in mind
before bringing her home to the Bay of Fundy, where mistakes can be lethal.
But gentle and protected Mahone Bay is still North Atlantic water, so the
more I know before hand the better, so wise windward words are welcomed.
jeb, near launch ready, with fear and loathing on the sinister shores of
Fundy
sailing. I've zero experience with Micro or cat-yawl sailing, period. Aim to
launch Teah McGee within the next ten days in Mahone Bay, where I have free
mooring for the remainder of the season. I greatly appreciate Aaron's
emphatic warning to "practice in the bay". That's just what I have in mind
before bringing her home to the Bay of Fundy, where mistakes can be lethal.
But gentle and protected Mahone Bay is still North Atlantic water, so the
more I know before hand the better, so wise windward words are welcomed.
jeb, near launch ready, with fear and loathing on the sinister shores of
Fundy
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:08:54 -0000, Aaron Arguien
It seems that one root to your problem was difficultly
in sailing to windward.
I wonder if some of the more experienced Micro sailers
around here might summarize just how one can sail
a Micro to windward?
> 11. Practice in bay before going out into lake.Aaron, wow, and thanks for sharing your real world experience!
>
> I can't wait to go back.
It seems that one root to your problem was difficultly
in sailing to windward.
I wonder if some of the more experienced Micro sailers
around here might summarize just how one can sail
a Micro to windward?
> For example, on 18 December 1999 PB&F informed the group that out ofThat would be this message:
> 657 of their designs well over 500 were still accessible/complete.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1249
Would someone please explain what the
Schnork-Finkelwort Theorem is?
I've been a member of this group for three years or so, but only just
now did I discover under "Links" a list of links to PB&F messages
posted to the group. They stopped posting before I joined it, but it
is worth reading through the messages for information on matters that
are still under discussion e.g. leeboards, junk rig, plan agents.
For example, on 18 December 1999 PB&F informed the group that out of
657 of their designs well over 500 were still accessible/complete.
Howard
now did I discover under "Links" a list of links to PB&F messages
posted to the group. They stopped posting before I joined it, but it
is worth reading through the messages for information on matters that
are still under discussion e.g. leeboards, junk rig, plan agents.
For example, on 18 December 1999 PB&F informed the group that out of
657 of their designs well over 500 were still accessible/complete.
Howard
Next time check the 'use by' date on the holy water,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Arguien" <aaronthekid@y...>
wrote:
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Arguien" <aaronthekid@y...>
wrote:
> Took the Micro down to Canyon Lake (TX), we put in at Potter'sCreek
> on one of the regular boat ramps, about 6 pm. Christend her theMarie
> Lee, with Champagne and Holy Water. Used the trolling motor to getout
> in the middle of the bay where I hoisted the main sail. There wasa
> guy out there on a sunfish doin' circles around us, but I was notstops
> ashamed. ( It seems like every where I go with that boat someone
> me and ask what the heck it is).jump
>
> The winds where steady at around 4 mph, and gust up to 15.
>
> We had good intentions of making it to the cliff's where people
> and hang out. Needless to say it was in the same direction as thetry
> wind. She wouldn't get anywhere near a reach. And when I would
> and tack, she would (or I should say I would) over turn and end upthat
> running. We inched are way for about an hour, and realized it was
> gettin' dark. I turned it with the wind and took off for a bay
> was about a mile west of our ramp.campers
> I let the ol' lady man the helm for a while and she was really
> diggin' it.
> We anchored and started drinkin'. It was awesome. We're big
> and it was like having your own campsite in the middle of thewater.
> We had a huge bat, become really friendly, swooping and diving,school
> sometimes right inbetween my wife and I. I found that the old
> lounge chairs that fold up, ( ya know the ones that you have toopen
> all the way up and then as you close them they click for differentfelt
> hights) fit perfectly in the cockpit of the micro.
> When it was time to go below for bed, we laid down and instantly
> all the air go out of our airmatress (for the record a queen sizewhere
> airmattress fit's all most perfectly in the cabin), seem there
> some small screws stickin' up throught the floor. We decided justto
> sleep on the lounge chairs in the elements. It was extremelycool, I
> slept fine. The ol' lady.....let's just say she wasn't in a goodout
> mood at 6am when the sun came up.
> As we started to head back I went to use the trolling motor to help
> get her on a good close hauled reach and the battery died. With
> the motor, my spirits dropped and the wind picked up. Checkin' onthe
> Lake Canyon Yacht club report this mornin', the winds where backup to
> 15mph and gusting at 7 am. We fought and fought, but bein' pinnedin
> a small bay, and completly inexperienced with this type of sail, weand
> couldn't tack for nothin'. Ended up anchoring again, just before
> beaching on a very bouldery shore.
>
> By this time my wife was a lil' freaky. She got the air horn out
> had a very worried look on her face. I tried to keep her calm.into
> We tried paddling out, but couldn't come close to keeping the bow
> the wind. With the micro being so tall, and the winds so strong,I
> think even the trolling motor with a full charge would have hadhiding
> trouble keepin' her into the wind.
>
> So we waited, anchored along a rocky shore, with large bushes
> us from view from any boats passing further out in the channel. Itwe
> was early,cloudy and windy so there was not alot of activity. I
> remained calm, thinkin' that I might walk up to one of the houses,
> could barely see. ( btw, my cell phone battery had died the nightus,
> before, as I was calling a friend of mine to check the radar for
> 'cause we watched some nice thunder-heads roll in ). The wife, wascame
> calm for the predictement I had gotten us in.
> We waited about an hour, and by the grace of god a fishin' boat
> along. A father, wife and older son, on a salt water bay boat. Ithe
> flagged em' down, and when I told them where my truck was parked
> wife replied " Well that's where we just came from", with a " I'mthem a
> gonna miss the mornin' fishing" look on her face.
> They all three had Houston Fire dept. t-shirts on and tied to us
> before I could even raise the anchor. It prob. took about a half
> hour, for their 90 hp mercury to tow us back. We both thanked
> million times and I told them that Karma was on their side, and Iknew
> in my heart they would have a full stringer by the end of the day.Christo
> Who ever you are I OWE YOU ONE.....
>
> When I walked up on to Terra Firma, I kissed the boat ramp ala
> Columbus, reachin' the new world.says
> The boat loaded just fine on the trailer and the old lady, made
> sandwiches and we ate. Contently.
>
> Things to remember next time we go out.
> 1. Hammer down screws in Cabin.
> 2. Get at least a 10 hp gas engine for the micro. ( the bracket
> no bigger thatn a 15, what do you guys think??????????)father
> 3. Practice with the mizzen.
> 4. Don't go down wind, unless your headed for the boat ramp.
> 5. Bring some Valium for the wife, in case we get stranded.
> 6. Take more pictures.
> 7. Bring plenty of Holy Water. ( do you think I could get the
> to just bless the whole dang lake? LOL)best
> 8. Make sure you have a float plan ( which we did, and told our
> friends where it was and where we where going, prob. the only thing
> that set the wife's mind at ease.)
> 9. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
> 10. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
> 11. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
>
>
> I can't wait to go back.
>
> A2
Aaron -
sounds like fun!
I will recommend that you ditch the trolling motor and pick up a 4-
5hp gasoline powered motor. It will get you up to hull speed and
you really cant' go any faster than that with even more horsepower;
the boat will just make a bigger hole in the water as she moves.
If you can get that Sunfish to tack you can beat him on a reach, and
you can eat, drink beer, or fish while doing it!
David Jost
builder and former owner of the Micro "Firefly"
sounds like fun!
I will recommend that you ditch the trolling motor and pick up a 4-
5hp gasoline powered motor. It will get you up to hull speed and
you really cant' go any faster than that with even more horsepower;
the boat will just make a bigger hole in the water as she moves.
If you can get that Sunfish to tack you can beat him on a reach, and
you can eat, drink beer, or fish while doing it!
David Jost
builder and former owner of the Micro "Firefly"
Took the Micro down to Canyon Lake (TX), we put in at Potter's Creek
on one of the regular boat ramps, about 6 pm. Christend her the Marie
Lee, with Champagne and Holy Water. Used the trolling motor to get out
in the middle of the bay where I hoisted the main sail. There was a
guy out there on a sunfish doin' circles around us, but I was not
ashamed. ( It seems like every where I go with that boat someone stops
me and ask what the heck it is).
The winds where steady at around 4 mph, and gust up to 15.
We had good intentions of making it to the cliff's where people jump
and hang out. Needless to say it was in the same direction as the
wind. She wouldn't get anywhere near a reach. And when I would try
and tack, she would (or I should say I would) over turn and end up
running. We inched are way for about an hour, and realized it was
gettin' dark. I turned it with the wind and took off for a bay that
was about a mile west of our ramp.
I let the ol' lady man the helm for a while and she was really
diggin' it.
We anchored and started drinkin'. It was awesome. We're big campers
and it was like having your own campsite in the middle of the water.
We had a huge bat, become really friendly, swooping and diving,
sometimes right inbetween my wife and I. I found that the old school
lounge chairs that fold up, ( ya know the ones that you have to open
all the way up and then as you close them they click for different
hights) fit perfectly in the cockpit of the micro.
When it was time to go below for bed, we laid down and instantly felt
all the air go out of our airmatress (for the record a queen size
airmattress fit's all most perfectly in the cabin), seem there where
some small screws stickin' up throught the floor. We decided just to
sleep on the lounge chairs in the elements. It was extremely cool, I
slept fine. The ol' lady.....let's just say she wasn't in a good
mood at 6am when the sun came up.
As we started to head back I went to use the trolling motor to help
get her on a good close hauled reach and the battery died. With out
the motor, my spirits dropped and the wind picked up. Checkin' on the
Lake Canyon Yacht club report this mornin', the winds where back up to
15mph and gusting at 7 am. We fought and fought, but bein' pinned in
a small bay, and completly inexperienced with this type of sail, we
couldn't tack for nothin'. Ended up anchoring again, just before
beaching on a very bouldery shore.
By this time my wife was a lil' freaky. She got the air horn out and
had a very worried look on her face. I tried to keep her calm.
We tried paddling out, but couldn't come close to keeping the bow into
the wind. With the micro being so tall, and the winds so strong, I
think even the trolling motor with a full charge would have had
trouble keepin' her into the wind.
So we waited, anchored along a rocky shore, with large bushes hiding
us from view from any boats passing further out in the channel. It
was early,cloudy and windy so there was not alot of activity. I
remained calm, thinkin' that I might walk up to one of the houses, we
could barely see. ( btw, my cell phone battery had died the night
before, as I was calling a friend of mine to check the radar for us,
'cause we watched some nice thunder-heads roll in ). The wife, was
calm for the predictement I had gotten us in.
We waited about an hour, and by the grace of god a fishin' boat came
along. A father, wife and older son, on a salt water bay boat. I
flagged em' down, and when I told them where my truck was parked the
wife replied " Well that's where we just came from", with a " I'm
gonna miss the mornin' fishing" look on her face.
They all three had Houston Fire dept. t-shirts on and tied to us
before I could even raise the anchor. It prob. took about a half
hour, for their 90 hp mercury to tow us back. We both thanked them a
million times and I told them that Karma was on their side, and I knew
in my heart they would have a full stringer by the end of the day.
Who ever you are I OWE YOU ONE.....
When I walked up on to Terra Firma, I kissed the boat ramp ala Christo
Columbus, reachin' the new world.
The boat loaded just fine on the trailer and the old lady, made
sandwiches and we ate. Contently.
Things to remember next time we go out.
1. Hammer down screws in Cabin.
2. Get at least a 10 hp gas engine for the micro. ( the bracket says
no bigger thatn a 15, what do you guys think??????????)
3. Practice with the mizzen.
4. Don't go down wind, unless your headed for the boat ramp.
5. Bring some Valium for the wife, in case we get stranded.
6. Take more pictures.
7. Bring plenty of Holy Water. ( do you think I could get the father
to just bless the whole dang lake? LOL)
8. Make sure you have a float plan ( which we did, and told our best
friends where it was and where we where going, prob. the only thing
that set the wife's mind at ease.)
9. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
10. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
11. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
I can't wait to go back.
A2
on one of the regular boat ramps, about 6 pm. Christend her the Marie
Lee, with Champagne and Holy Water. Used the trolling motor to get out
in the middle of the bay where I hoisted the main sail. There was a
guy out there on a sunfish doin' circles around us, but I was not
ashamed. ( It seems like every where I go with that boat someone stops
me and ask what the heck it is).
The winds where steady at around 4 mph, and gust up to 15.
We had good intentions of making it to the cliff's where people jump
and hang out. Needless to say it was in the same direction as the
wind. She wouldn't get anywhere near a reach. And when I would try
and tack, she would (or I should say I would) over turn and end up
running. We inched are way for about an hour, and realized it was
gettin' dark. I turned it with the wind and took off for a bay that
was about a mile west of our ramp.
I let the ol' lady man the helm for a while and she was really
diggin' it.
We anchored and started drinkin'. It was awesome. We're big campers
and it was like having your own campsite in the middle of the water.
We had a huge bat, become really friendly, swooping and diving,
sometimes right inbetween my wife and I. I found that the old school
lounge chairs that fold up, ( ya know the ones that you have to open
all the way up and then as you close them they click for different
hights) fit perfectly in the cockpit of the micro.
When it was time to go below for bed, we laid down and instantly felt
all the air go out of our airmatress (for the record a queen size
airmattress fit's all most perfectly in the cabin), seem there where
some small screws stickin' up throught the floor. We decided just to
sleep on the lounge chairs in the elements. It was extremely cool, I
slept fine. The ol' lady.....let's just say she wasn't in a good
mood at 6am when the sun came up.
As we started to head back I went to use the trolling motor to help
get her on a good close hauled reach and the battery died. With out
the motor, my spirits dropped and the wind picked up. Checkin' on the
Lake Canyon Yacht club report this mornin', the winds where back up to
15mph and gusting at 7 am. We fought and fought, but bein' pinned in
a small bay, and completly inexperienced with this type of sail, we
couldn't tack for nothin'. Ended up anchoring again, just before
beaching on a very bouldery shore.
By this time my wife was a lil' freaky. She got the air horn out and
had a very worried look on her face. I tried to keep her calm.
We tried paddling out, but couldn't come close to keeping the bow into
the wind. With the micro being so tall, and the winds so strong, I
think even the trolling motor with a full charge would have had
trouble keepin' her into the wind.
So we waited, anchored along a rocky shore, with large bushes hiding
us from view from any boats passing further out in the channel. It
was early,cloudy and windy so there was not alot of activity. I
remained calm, thinkin' that I might walk up to one of the houses, we
could barely see. ( btw, my cell phone battery had died the night
before, as I was calling a friend of mine to check the radar for us,
'cause we watched some nice thunder-heads roll in ). The wife, was
calm for the predictement I had gotten us in.
We waited about an hour, and by the grace of god a fishin' boat came
along. A father, wife and older son, on a salt water bay boat. I
flagged em' down, and when I told them where my truck was parked the
wife replied " Well that's where we just came from", with a " I'm
gonna miss the mornin' fishing" look on her face.
They all three had Houston Fire dept. t-shirts on and tied to us
before I could even raise the anchor. It prob. took about a half
hour, for their 90 hp mercury to tow us back. We both thanked them a
million times and I told them that Karma was on their side, and I knew
in my heart they would have a full stringer by the end of the day.
Who ever you are I OWE YOU ONE.....
When I walked up on to Terra Firma, I kissed the boat ramp ala Christo
Columbus, reachin' the new world.
The boat loaded just fine on the trailer and the old lady, made
sandwiches and we ate. Contently.
Things to remember next time we go out.
1. Hammer down screws in Cabin.
2. Get at least a 10 hp gas engine for the micro. ( the bracket says
no bigger thatn a 15, what do you guys think??????????)
3. Practice with the mizzen.
4. Don't go down wind, unless your headed for the boat ramp.
5. Bring some Valium for the wife, in case we get stranded.
6. Take more pictures.
7. Bring plenty of Holy Water. ( do you think I could get the father
to just bless the whole dang lake? LOL)
8. Make sure you have a float plan ( which we did, and told our best
friends where it was and where we where going, prob. the only thing
that set the wife's mind at ease.)
9. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
10. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
11. Practice in bay before going out into lake.
I can't wait to go back.
A2