[bolger] Re: BIRD WATCHER II
>The WoodenBoat editor, in his letter in the front of the issue withYou could, in settled weather, sail a BW to the Bahamas. Been done in
>the Mason Birdwatcher article, dreams of taking a Birdwatcher cruising
>in the Bahamas. He is not so bold as to make the crossing though. He
>proposes to ship it on the deck of a small freighter.
>
>Doug
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The WoodenBoat editor, in his letter in the front of the issue with
the Mason Birdwatcher article, dreams of taking a Birdwatcher cruising
in the Bahamas. He is not so bold as to make the crossing though. He
proposes to ship it on the deck of a small freighter.
Doug
the Mason Birdwatcher article, dreams of taking a Birdwatcher cruising
in the Bahamas. He is not so bold as to make the crossing though. He
proposes to ship it on the deck of a small freighter.
Doug
> A recent poster asked if BW was appropriate to sail in the Gulf of
> Mexico for coastal cruising. One reply suggested to ask the designer
> for his thoughts on this. Now that I think about it, didn't Bolger
> hint at a Bahama's crossing in Boats with an Open Mind? I can't
> remember where I read that. Can't picture that in a Dovekie.
>
> Paul
>
> > I've become very interested in Bolger's Bird Watcher II --
I remember seeing a small, weird, barge in the Halifax River in Daytona
Beach, FL, about 1975. On the barge was a white, two story, building.
Around the perimeter were a series of trailer hitch balls, in pairs. On the
side of the building was "Marine Research Laboratory."
One of my co-workers got to chat with the owner. No justification for the
sign except it let him anchor wherever he wanted. To move the barge the had
an open runabout with a large outboard and a short mast with another trailer
hitch ball. Using a triangular structure, he could position the pusher
anywhere he wanted.
It fits with this thread because he was planning a trip to the Bahamas. One
just waits until the weather is right.
Roger
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Beach, FL, about 1975. On the barge was a white, two story, building.
Around the perimeter were a series of trailer hitch balls, in pairs. On the
side of the building was "Marine Research Laboratory."
One of my co-workers got to chat with the owner. No justification for the
sign except it let him anchor wherever he wanted. To move the barge the had
an open runabout with a large outboard and a short mast with another trailer
hitch ball. Using a triangular structure, he could position the pusher
anywhere he wanted.
It fits with this thread because he was planning a trip to the Bahamas. One
just waits until the weather is right.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <kayaker37@...>
> A recent poster asked if BW was appropriate to sail in the Gulf of
> Mexico for coastal cruising. One reply suggested to ask the designer
> for his thoughts on this. Now that I think about it, didn't Bolger
> hint at a Bahama's crossing in Boats with an Open Mind? I can't
> remember where I read that. Can't picture that in a Dovekie.
Paul,
In his little "fiction" (as he calls it) on BW in BWAOM, Bolger says:
"They [the fictional owners]... have looked longingly at a chart of
the Bahamas. At least while the project is remote, they see no great
imprudence in a crossing of the Gulf Stream."
So I think Bolger is equivocal on this.
Howard
In his little "fiction" (as he calls it) on BW in BWAOM, Bolger says:
"They [the fictional owners]... have looked longingly at a chart of
the Bahamas. At least while the project is remote, they see no great
imprudence in a crossing of the Gulf Stream."
So I think Bolger is equivocal on this.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <kayaker37@h...> wrote:
> A recent poster asked if BW was appropriate to sail in the Gulf of
> Mexico for coastal cruising. One reply suggested to ask the
designer for his thoughts on this. Now that I think about it, didn't
Bolger hint at a Bahama's crossing in Boats with an Open Mind? I
can't remember where I read that. Can't picture that in a Dovekie.
The Birdwatcher II plans are $175. I also think it is a great design
mainly because of the open slot which gives you walking room in the
center of the boat: space to stretch. It also seems to be able to
recover from a capsize without taking on water. I may be wrong here so
if that's why I'm making this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong. Do
you think it is self righting in choppy water or rough conditions
after a knock down?
Question: any opinions on whether it is heavy enough to have inertia
to maintain headway when sailing windward into waves. I was reading a
book that said that small boats sometimes lose forward motion when
hitting waves, especially sailing into the wind.
Thanks,
Robert
mainly because of the open slot which gives you walking room in the
center of the boat: space to stretch. It also seems to be able to
recover from a capsize without taking on water. I may be wrong here so
if that's why I'm making this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong. Do
you think it is self righting in choppy water or rough conditions
after a knock down?
Question: any opinions on whether it is heavy enough to have inertia
to maintain headway when sailing windward into waves. I was reading a
book that said that small boats sometimes lose forward motion when
hitting waves, especially sailing into the wind.
Thanks,
Robert
Hi Jack,
I got to go out on Mason's Birdwatcher (the BW featured in the latest
Woodenboat magazine) in Newport at the Wooden Boat Show recently, as
they were giving rides. Check the recent archives, it was lot's of
fun.
If you decide to build, please take lots of pictures! I have plans
for the original BW, and it looks quite straightforward to build.
A recent poster asked if BW was appropriate to sail in the Gulf of
Mexico for coastal cruising. One reply suggested to ask the designer
for his thoughts on this. Now that I think about it, didn't Bolger
hint at a Bahama's crossing in Boats with an Open Mind? I can't
remember where I read that. Can't picture that in a Dovekie.
Paul
I got to go out on Mason's Birdwatcher (the BW featured in the latest
Woodenboat magazine) in Newport at the Wooden Boat Show recently, as
they were giving rides. Check the recent archives, it was lot's of
fun.
If you decide to build, please take lots of pictures! I have plans
for the original BW, and it looks quite straightforward to build.
A recent poster asked if BW was appropriate to sail in the Gulf of
Mexico for coastal cruising. One reply suggested to ask the designer
for his thoughts on this. Now that I think about it, didn't Bolger
hint at a Bahama's crossing in Boats with an Open Mind? I can't
remember where I read that. Can't picture that in a Dovekie.
Paul
> I've become very interested in Bolger's Bird Watcher II --
John Spoering wrote:
for fun, go for it!
Another option, cheaper and quicker,
is to buy a used boat.
Heck, the Birdwatcher featured in the
Woodenboat article was reported for
sale.
Also, Dovekies come up for sale about
once a month in the classified advertisments
of Messing About in Boats.
> I need something I can buildIf you have your heart set on building
for fun, go for it!
Another option, cheaper and quicker,
is to buy a used boat.
Heck, the Birdwatcher featured in the
Woodenboat article was reported for
sale.
Also, Dovekies come up for sale about
once a month in the classified advertisments
of Messing About in Boats.
Hi Bruce -
Thanks for your quick reply. I seem to have gone thru a lot of designs
before settling on Mr Bolger's Bird watcher II. Some that were on my list
were Bolgers "Champlain" (would be too extensive a build and take too long
-I'm fast approaching 70 now) although I had some wonderful input from
Group members. Capt Short's pretty little San Francisco "Pelican",
though I'd want to scale her up from 12' to 20', And several others until
I recently read the Messing about article and the write-up in the newest
issue of Woodenboat mag. I really like the Birdwatcher II configuration
(it's shown in Boats With An Open Mind but not elaborated on and I missed
it completely)
I need something I can build in a rather open carport and my cruising
area would be the ocean off Ft Lauderdale, the Intercoastal Waterway,
Biscane Bay off Miami and around to the West coast of Florida for extended
cruises. I'm sure if Seapearls can do this Bolger Birdwatcher can do it
with a lot more comfort and ease. The only problem I'm having is
convincing my wife that it's fun to sleep on the cabin "floor" and not
having any real settees in the cabin.
I'm still looking for some small boat sailing clubs in the area. It
seems strange that small boat sailors aren't taking advantage of the
wonderful waters here. I know there are some on the west coast of Florida
but over here it's very, very rare to see a sailor under 26' or so. I can
only imagine that their intimidated by the ocean.
I'm in the saving mode right now but will shortly be ordering my
"Birdwatcher II" plans
Aloha - Jack Spoering
Thanks for your quick reply. I seem to have gone thru a lot of designs
before settling on Mr Bolger's Bird watcher II. Some that were on my list
were Bolgers "Champlain" (would be too extensive a build and take too long
-I'm fast approaching 70 now) although I had some wonderful input from
Group members. Capt Short's pretty little San Francisco "Pelican",
though I'd want to scale her up from 12' to 20', And several others until
I recently read the Messing about article and the write-up in the newest
issue of Woodenboat mag. I really like the Birdwatcher II configuration
(it's shown in Boats With An Open Mind but not elaborated on and I missed
it completely)
I need something I can build in a rather open carport and my cruising
area would be the ocean off Ft Lauderdale, the Intercoastal Waterway,
Biscane Bay off Miami and around to the West coast of Florida for extended
cruises. I'm sure if Seapearls can do this Bolger Birdwatcher can do it
with a lot more comfort and ease. The only problem I'm having is
convincing my wife that it's fun to sleep on the cabin "floor" and not
having any real settees in the cabin.
I'm still looking for some small boat sailing clubs in the area. It
seems strange that small boat sailors aren't taking advantage of the
wonderful waters here. I know there are some on the west coast of Florida
but over here it's very, very rare to see a sailor under 26' or so. I can
only imagine that their intimidated by the ocean.
I'm in the saving mode right now but will shortly be ordering my
"Birdwatcher II" plans
Aloha - Jack Spoering
> [Original Message](978) 282-1349
> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 8/11/2004 1:18:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] BIRD WATCHER II
>
> > Bolger's Bird Watcher II
>
> Hi Jack, you may want to read back through the archived
> messages last month, there was much discussion of
> Birdwatcher II. [Also, over on the boatdesign Yahoo group.]
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boatdesign/
>
> I think there was a general concensus that it is a
> great boat for those who need/want that type of
> boat!
>
> Have you bought a set of plans?
>
> I hear there is also an aritcle about Birdwatcher II
> in the latest magazine _Messing About In Boats_,
> but I keep checking my mailbox, and my copy has
> not yet arrived :(
>
>
>
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> Bolger's Bird Watcher IIHi Jack, you may want to read back through the archived
messages last month, there was much discussion of
Birdwatcher II. [Also, over on the boatdesign Yahoo group.]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boatdesign/
I think there was a general concensus that it is a
great boat for those who need/want that type of
boat!
Have you bought a set of plans?
I hear there is also an aritcle about Birdwatcher II
in the latest magazine _Messing About In Boats_,
but I keep checking my mailbox, and my copy has
not yet arrived :(
Hi All -
I've become very interested in Bolger's Bird Watcher II -- Have you all had a chance to read the great article about her in the latest issue of "Woodenboat" mag ? Has anyone in the group built or sailed on a Bird Watcher, either the original model or the new #II. What do you think ???
Does anyone know of a small boat sailing club or group in the Ft Lauderdale, Florida area.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
John Spoering
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I've become very interested in Bolger's Bird Watcher II -- Have you all had a chance to read the great article about her in the latest issue of "Woodenboat" mag ? Has anyone in the group built or sailed on a Bird Watcher, either the original model or the new #II. What do you think ???
Does anyone know of a small boat sailing club or group in the Ft Lauderdale, Florida area.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
John Spoering
spoering@...
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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