Re: [bolger] Sneakeasy Trailer
> And if anyone HAS done that (online subscriptions), HOW didThe latest MAIB mag has Bob Hicks wriiting that very
> you arrange it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail
> subs.
>
>Chris
few people took him up on the 'online subscription' offer,
..and that three that did subscribe this way couldn't handle the
size of the download on their ISP bandwidth, and/or the 'pdf'
exceeded the allowed attachment size for thier email account.
Mr. Hicks later went on about how he doesn't choose to
have much of a presence on the Internet and that this
doesn't make him a Luddite, just a person that values
a simple life.
I take from this that he puts out that magazine as a labor
of love, and that as this is the case, he deserves the right to
do it in a way he finds fun and satisfying. [read, low tech.]
Personally I am not looking forward to the day that
MAIB might end, as happened to Small Boat Journal.
It's not "they", it's "him", and, judging by his editorial output, he
doesn't necessarily go for extra complications. Nor does he have to.
doesn't necessarily go for extra complications. Nor does he have to.
>Howard Stephenson wrote:
>snip
>If MAIB don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with credit cards,
>they should outsource their subscription service, just as Jim
>Michalak has done with his plans, which can be bought from Duckworks.
>
>Howard
>Queensland
>Australia
>
> I can understand that for MAIB there is a certain risk of credit cardI don't think it is the risk of credit card fraud, but rather
> fraud, but they would stand to lose only one issue before the fraud
> was discovered.
the high cost the credit card companies charge to
small businesses. His profit margin is essentially
non-existent, and he can't afford the cost.
I guess you've checked out
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/books_cds/maib/index.htmfor a mail
subscription. These are probably the people to talk to. It would be
interesting to know why they limit orders to the US and Canada.
One of the values of MAIB is the anachronistic viewpoint of the editor. I
doubt he'll ever embrace the Internet. Didn't he publish a renewed diatribe
in one of the recent issues?
Hmmm. I wonder if he uses a word processor.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/books_cds/maib/index.htmfor a mail
subscription. These are probably the people to talk to. It would be
interesting to know why they limit orders to the US and Canada.
One of the values of MAIB is the anachronistic viewpoint of the editor. I
doubt he'll ever embrace the Internet. Didn't he publish a renewed diatribe
in one of the recent issues?
Hmmm. I wonder if he uses a word processor.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
> I'd be interested in taking up either a mail or online subscription.
> The biggest difficulty is that they do not allow people to pay online
> for a subscription by credit card. It's just too much trouble and
> expense to travel 20 miles to my bank, stand in line to get an
> expensive overseas bank draft then go somewhere else to post it with
> a covering letter.
>
> I can understand that for MAIB there is a certain risk of credit card
> fraud, but they would stand to lose only one issue before the fraud
> was discovered.
>
> If MAIB doesn't want to go to the trouble of dealing with credit cards,
> they should outsource their subscription service, just as Jim
> Michalak has done with his plans, which can be bought from Duckworks.
>
> Howard
> Queensland
> Australia
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lasdauskas <cml@t...> wrote:
> > >http://messingaboutinboats.com/
> > >
> > And if anyone HAS done that (online subscriptions), HOW did you
> > arrange it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail subs.
IT doesn't help you, but you US and Canada can get subscriptions by CC at
Duckworks.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/books_cds/maib/index.htm
A couple of months ago, publisher Bob Hicks talked about doing a PDF version
for overseas subscribers, but had few takers and the experience was less
than satisfactory for any of them, so it has been discontinued.
JB
Duckworks.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/books_cds/maib/index.htm
A couple of months ago, publisher Bob Hicks talked about doing a PDF version
for overseas subscribers, but had few takers and the experience was less
than satisfactory for any of them, so it has been discontinued.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:01 AM
Subject: [bolger] Was Sneakeasy Trailer now MAIB subscriptions
| I'd be interested in taking up either a mail or online subscription.
| The biggest difficulty is that they do not allow people to pay online
| for a subscription by credit card. It's just too much trouble and
| expense to travel 20 miles to my bank, stand in line to get an
| expensive overseas bank draft then go somewhere else to post it with
| a covering letter.
|
| I can understand that for MAIB there is a certain risk of credit card
| fraud, but they would stand to lose only one issue before the fraud
| was discovered.
|
| If MAIB don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with credit cards,
| they should outsource their subscription service, just as Jim
| Michalak has done with his plans, which can be bought from Duckworks.
|
| Howard
| Queensland
| Australia
|
| --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lasdauskas <cml@t...> wrote:
| > >http://messingaboutinboats.com/
| > >
| > >
| > And if anyone HAS done that (online subscriptions), HOW did you
| arrange
| > it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail subs.
| >
| > Chris
|
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I'd be interested in taking up either a mail or online subscription.
The biggest difficulty is that they do not allow people to pay online
for a subscription by credit card. It's just too much trouble and
expense to travel 20 miles to my bank, stand in line to get an
expensive overseas bank draft then go somewhere else to post it with
a covering letter.
I can understand that for MAIB there is a certain risk of credit card
fraud, but they would stand to lose only one issue before the fraud
was discovered.
If MAIB don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with credit cards,
they should outsource their subscription service, just as Jim
Michalak has done with his plans, which can be bought from Duckworks.
Howard
Queensland
Australia
The biggest difficulty is that they do not allow people to pay online
for a subscription by credit card. It's just too much trouble and
expense to travel 20 miles to my bank, stand in line to get an
expensive overseas bank draft then go somewhere else to post it with
a covering letter.
I can understand that for MAIB there is a certain risk of credit card
fraud, but they would stand to lose only one issue before the fraud
was discovered.
If MAIB don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with credit cards,
they should outsource their subscription service, just as Jim
Michalak has done with his plans, which can be bought from Duckworks.
Howard
Queensland
Australia
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lasdauskas <cml@t...> wrote:
> >http://messingaboutinboats.com/
> >
> >
> And if anyone HAS done that (online subscriptions), HOW did you
arrange
> it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail subs.
>
> Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail subs.
Chris
>Contains scans of the Messing About in BoatsAnd if anyone HAS done that (online subscriptions), HOW did you arrange
>magazine article a few years back.
>
>If you don't subscribe to that magazine, you should!
>I understand that they even were selling online
>subscriptions to overseas customers in the form of
>Adobe pdf files, anybody done that yet?
>
>http://messingaboutinboats.com/
>
>
it? I've just looked at the site and it only lists mail subs.
Chris
Thanks, John.
I'll print this out for reference.
Tom
I'll print this out for reference.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, johnfader <johnfader@b...> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I don't think that you'll be able to get balance by just
lengthening the tongue. This is because you'll need rollers or bunks
right under the transom to properly supporet the boat. This will
likely require an extension on the rear. Further, that will leave the
draketails dangling off the rear of the trailer and subject to
damage. Finally, your lights won't be all the way to the rear, though
that isn't a dire issue.
>
> Here's the way I'd do it. Mount the engine and load a full tank of
fuel and your battery in the completed boat. Remove the winch from
the trailer so you can shove the bow out over the tongue. Now jack up
the hull and move the trailer back and forth until you get your
desired tongue weight, normally swagged at about 10% of total
trailer/boat weight (with equipment loaded). I think that 50-60 lbs
is all that is needed if the trailer tows well at all. Now, that's
where you want your wheels to set relative to the hull.
>
> You can now see how much extension you'll need for the tongue (need
to get that winch stanchion back on and leave a bit of room before it
to maneuver... plus, depending on your vehicle, you may need a bit
more front length to allow you to turn the trailer sharply without
hitting the tow vehicle. That's got the front.
>
> As for the rear, you'll need a "box" extension that extends right
under the transom. This needs to be of similar section and strength
as the existing trailer frame. It sill carry rollers that support the
transom. Now for the draketails (and lights) you'll need a further
box extension back to the extreme aft. You can put a bunk there, but
I'd suggest rollers to help launching and retrieving from shallow
ramps, of which there are plenty :-) This extension can be of lighter
material but it can't be flimsy. You now have a place to mount lights
at the very rear. You'll also need longitudinal bunks made of 2X6
stock covered in carpet. This will keep the boat from sagging or
getting hollows in the bottom.
>
> Proper adjustment of the winch and bow chock will automatically
align the transom rollers with the transom each time you retrieve.
Hope this makes sense. It may seem to you complicated and costly, but
you have a nice and valuable boat and it is worth preserving its
shape and value.
>
> Best/The Fader
>
> /Tom Sez:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> Well, my Sneakeasy is done. Got my hull number yesterday. In order
to
> launch it, I need to lengthen my trailer tongue. I assume this a
> problem that most sneakeasy builders have. Could anyone give me
some
> advice on how to do this? I can't weld, but I sure know how to bolt
> things together. Where can I find a tongue extension? /
Tom,
I don't think that you'll be able to get balance by just lengthening the tongue. This is because you'll need rollers or bunks right under the transom to properly supporet the boat. This will likely require an extension on the rear. Further, that will leave the draketails dangling off the rear of the trailer and subject to damage. Finally, your lights won't be all the way to the rear, though that isn't a dire issue.
Here's the way I'd do it. Mount the engine and load a full tank of fuel and your battery in the completed boat. Remove the winch from the trailer so you can shove the bow out over the tongue. Now jack up the hull and move the trailer back and forth until you get your desired tongue weight, normally swagged at about 10% of total trailer/boat weight (with equipment loaded). I think that 50-60 lbs is all that is needed if the trailer tows well at all. Now, that's where you want your wheels to set relative to the hull.
You can now see how much extension you'll need for the tongue (need to get that winch stanchion back on and leave a bit of room before it to maneuver... plus, depending on your vehicle, you may need a bit more front length to allow you to turn the trailer sharply without hitting the tow vehicle. That's got the front.
As for the rear, you'll need a "box" extension that extends right under the transom. This needs to be of similar section and strength as the existing trailer frame. It sill carry rollers that support the transom. Now for the draketails (and lights) you'll need a further box extension back to the extreme aft. You can put a bunk there, but I'd suggest rollers to help launching and retrieving from shallow ramps, of which there are plenty :-) This extension can be of lighter material but it can't be flimsy. You now have a place to mount lights at the very rear. You'll also need longitudinal bunks made of 2X6 stock covered in carpet. This will keep the boat from sagging or getting hollows in the bottom.
Proper adjustment of the winch and bow chock will automatically align the transom rollers with the transom each time you retrieve. Hope this makes sense. It may seem to you complicated and costly, but you have a nice and valuable boat and it is worth preserving its shape and value.
Best/The Fader
/Tom Sez:
Hi Group,
Well, my Sneakeasy is done. Got my hull number yesterday. In order to
launch it, I need to lengthen my trailer tongue. I assume this a
problem that most sneakeasy builders have. Could anyone give me some
advice on how to do this? I can't weld, but I sure know how to bolt
things together. Where can I find a tongue extension? /
I don't think that you'll be able to get balance by just lengthening the tongue. This is because you'll need rollers or bunks right under the transom to properly supporet the boat. This will likely require an extension on the rear. Further, that will leave the draketails dangling off the rear of the trailer and subject to damage. Finally, your lights won't be all the way to the rear, though that isn't a dire issue.
Here's the way I'd do it. Mount the engine and load a full tank of fuel and your battery in the completed boat. Remove the winch from the trailer so you can shove the bow out over the tongue. Now jack up the hull and move the trailer back and forth until you get your desired tongue weight, normally swagged at about 10% of total trailer/boat weight (with equipment loaded). I think that 50-60 lbs is all that is needed if the trailer tows well at all. Now, that's where you want your wheels to set relative to the hull.
You can now see how much extension you'll need for the tongue (need to get that winch stanchion back on and leave a bit of room before it to maneuver... plus, depending on your vehicle, you may need a bit more front length to allow you to turn the trailer sharply without hitting the tow vehicle. That's got the front.
As for the rear, you'll need a "box" extension that extends right under the transom. This needs to be of similar section and strength as the existing trailer frame. It sill carry rollers that support the transom. Now for the draketails (and lights) you'll need a further box extension back to the extreme aft. You can put a bunk there, but I'd suggest rollers to help launching and retrieving from shallow ramps, of which there are plenty :-) This extension can be of lighter material but it can't be flimsy. You now have a place to mount lights at the very rear. You'll also need longitudinal bunks made of 2X6 stock covered in carpet. This will keep the boat from sagging or getting hollows in the bottom.
Proper adjustment of the winch and bow chock will automatically align the transom rollers with the transom each time you retrieve. Hope this makes sense. It may seem to you complicated and costly, but you have a nice and valuable boat and it is worth preserving its shape and value.
Best/The Fader
/Tom Sez:
Hi Group,
Well, my Sneakeasy is done. Got my hull number yesterday. In order to
launch it, I need to lengthen my trailer tongue. I assume this a
problem that most sneakeasy builders have. Could anyone give me some
advice on how to do this? I can't weld, but I sure know how to bolt
things together. Where can I find a tongue extension? /
> I need to add a longerIf it were me I would take the trailer to my local
> piece in the front and move the winch forward.
>
> Tom
welding shop and pay them to weld on a piece
to the tongue.
Thanks Bruce. I'll have to consider that someday for my honda.
My problem though is that the sneakeasy is a lot longer than the
trailer I have. If used as is, the aft 1/3 of the boat will be
hanging off the trailer while on the road. I need to add a longer
piece in the front and move the winch forward.
Tom
My problem though is that the sneakeasy is a lot longer than the
trailer I have. If used as is, the aft 1/3 of the boat will be
hanging off the trailer while on the road. I need to add a longer
piece in the front and move the winch forward.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > Tom Rund
> > Could anyone give me some
> > advice on how to do this?
>
> Consider also how Phil Bolger does it.
> He skips trying to back the car down the
> slippery ramp, and instead, he puts a big
> caster wheel at the tongue of the trailer and
> winches the trailer up and down the
> ramp with the car located up on level
> ground.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/boatramp/
>
> The pictures are fun, Phil Bolger and Shivaree.
> Shivaree is such a capable boat, I want one.
>
> Contains scans of the Messing About in Boats
> magazine article a few years back.
>
> If you don't subscribe to that magazine, you should!
> I understand that they even were selling online
> subscriptions to overseas customers in the form of
> Adobe pdf files, anybody done that yet?
>
>http://messingaboutinboats.com/
> Tom RundConsider also how Phil Bolger does it.
> Could anyone give me some
> advice on how to do this?
He skips trying to back the car down the
slippery ramp, and instead, he puts a big
caster wheel at the tongue of the trailer and
winches the trailer up and down the
ramp with the car located up on level
ground.
http://hallman.org/bolger/boatramp/
The pictures are fun, Phil Bolger and Shivaree.
Shivaree is such a capable boat, I want one.
Contains scans of the Messing About in Boats
magazine article a few years back.
If you don't subscribe to that magazine, you should!
I understand that they even were selling online
subscriptions to overseas customers in the form of
Adobe pdf files, anybody done that yet?
http://messingaboutinboats.com/
Hi Group,
Well, my Sneakeasy is done. Got my hull number yesterday. In order to
launch it, I need to lengthen my trailer tongue. I assume this a
problem that most sneakeasy builders have. Could anyone give me some
advice on how to do this? I can't weld, but I sure know how to bolt
things together. Where can I find a tongue extension?
Tom
Well, my Sneakeasy is done. Got my hull number yesterday. In order to
launch it, I need to lengthen my trailer tongue. I assume this a
problem that most sneakeasy builders have. Could anyone give me some
advice on how to do this? I can't weld, but I sure know how to bolt
things together. Where can I find a tongue extension?
Tom