Cynthia J wasRe: [bolger] ATTN: PETER VANDERVAART
> "Leeboards are unpleasant devices - ugly, noisy traps forfloating
> debris... Their trouble is that when they are swung up to sail inBolger wants everyone to know the worst, so he somewhat overstates
> shallow water, their lift moves aft and the boat develops lee helm
> that kills her windward sailing.
the case. I never caught much floating debris, nor do most people
sail in water less than four feet deep. The ones on the Cynthia J.
did not bang unpleasantly, though they formed a serious finger
pinching hazard as they worked and the top edge squeezed against the
rail. As I wrote in the piece in Files, Bolger did not show any sort
of pendant in the drawings. I fitted each board with a pad eye, and
a brass handle like a door pull. There was a pendant made of 2" wide
cloth tape with a hook on the end. To retract a board, reach over
the side, grab the handle, left the board, snap the pendant to the
pad eye.
The biggest disadvantages of the CJ have nothing to do with the
leeboards.
As for the Micro, Bolger has said that he feels Long Micro is a
better return on the investment of time. Among Bolger designs, Micro
is probably the most direct equivalent of the smaller Potter, though
there are a couple of other small boats in BWAOM. Japanese Beach
Cruiser, Supermouse, Mouser. Even Lynx.
And of course, there are other designers. John Welsford has a couple
of boats in the class: Tread Lightly, Sweet Pea, etc.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Spoering" <spoering@e...> wrote:
Potter as a
debris... Their trouble is that when they are swung up to sail in
shallow water, their lift moves aft and the boat develops lee helm
that kills her windward sailing. This problem is one reason I've kept
tinkering with bow rudders, (which interferes with)... the beaching
capability." PCB - BWAOM page 246
As you probably know he went on to develop double pivoting leeboards -
- that although being a lot more complicated - overcame this
trouble with windward ability in shallow water.
In my totally biased opinion, a MICRO would be a far better choice
and there is one being almost given away in Arizona. Lttle Em.
Cheers, Nels
> Hi Peter -For a long time I have been interested in the West Wight
Potter as a
> small, trailable sailor but to buy one now your looking at spendingfrom
> $10.000.00. I feel Cynthia J would be a good substitute - I love
> Bolger's designs, been a fan for years, and have enough experience
> past boat building project to handle the job.where you head her ?
> I wonder if you could answer a few questions for me ?
> Just how good a sailor is she - Does she go
> I like the lee-boards as opposed to a keelaka Micro - whats your
> opinion ?"Leeboards are unpleasant devices - ugly, noisy traps for floating
debris... Their trouble is that when they are swung up to sail in
shallow water, their lift moves aft and the boat develops lee helm
that kills her windward sailing. This problem is one reason I've kept
tinkering with bow rudders, (which interferes with)... the beaching
capability." PCB - BWAOM page 246
As you probably know he went on to develop double pivoting leeboards -
- that although being a lot more complicated - overcame this
trouble with windward ability in shallow water.
In my totally biased opinion, a MICRO would be a far better choice
and there is one being almost given away in Arizona. Lttle Em.
Cheers, Nels
I don't think they're afraid of the ocean, I think they are afraid of not
appearing rich enough to afford a YACHT. When I was living aboard I loved
Florida's west coast. On the east coast, not only was there trouble anchoring (not
wanted), but we went ashore in Riviera Beach to find a Laundromat, and when we
couldn't find any, stopped and asked in one of the stores. Was told that
there are none. The feeling was that if you can't afford your own machines, they
don't want you living there. That's the nice thing about living on a boat.
When you don't like your neighbors (snobs) you just weigh anchor and go
someplace nicer.
Bob
I think people here are afraid of the
ocean).
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appearing rich enough to afford a YACHT. When I was living aboard I loved
Florida's west coast. On the east coast, not only was there trouble anchoring (not
wanted), but we went ashore in Riviera Beach to find a Laundromat, and when we
couldn't find any, stopped and asked in one of the stores. Was told that
there are none. The feeling was that if you can't afford your own machines, they
don't want you living there. That's the nice thing about living on a boat.
When you don't like your neighbors (snobs) you just weigh anchor and go
someplace nicer.
Bob
I think people here are afraid of the
ocean).
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> I like the lee-boards as opposed to a keel aka Micro - whats yourI raced my Cynthia J. against other catboats, so I can say with
> opinion ?
certainty that the sailing performace is similar. I'm not sure the
subjective experience is similar, though, since the Cape Cod Cats
have a nice, well-faired entry and the CJ is flat-bottomed. Every
now and then you stomp on a wave with a great shuddering crash. And,
it's always noisy.
I've never sailed a Micro, but I think having the lead under you
would be welcome a lot of the time. The CJ is a bit flighty to sail
with one, and OK with two. It really comes into its own with a
decent breeze and three aboard.
I didn't have a motor on my boat which also meant I didn't ever go
too far from home. I used an oar, paddling canoe fashion while
someone else steered, but it was slow going especially with any
wind. Of course, with wind you could sail.
The CJ is nowhere near as seaworthy as a Potter would be since she
will swamp and fill if heeled too far. And hold about two tons of
water.
If you could figure out what to do with the crazy cabin/deck
arrangement, you would get a better hull and a better cruiser with
the Catfish Beachcruiser. Probably building it higher in Birdwatcher
fashion would be better than the original. Ask Bolger. Despite the
fancier looks, I think building difficulty would be about the same.
Peter
Hi Peter -
I had to go back 2000 messages on the board to find your old
communications re: Cynthia J. As someone who has "been there-done that"
I would really appreciate your input.
I sail off FT Lauderdale, Florida but it seems there are absolutely no
small boat sailors around here. No clubs either (now on the west coast of
Florida, that's another story - I think people here are afraid of the
ocean).
For a long time I have been interested in the West Wight Potter as a
small, trailable sailor but to buy one now your looking at spending
$10.000.00. I feel Cynthia J would be a good substitute - I love
Bolger's designs, been a fan for years, and have enough experience from
past boat building project to handle the job.
I wonder if you could answer a few questions for me ?
Just how good a sailor is she - Does she go where you head her ?
I like the lee-boards as opposed to a keel aka Micro - whats your
opinion ?
Do you have any idea of her cost to build (I like MDO board over todays
sudo-marine ply)
Any changes you would recommend ?
Thanks for your comments - Aloha Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Florida
I had to go back 2000 messages on the board to find your old
communications re: Cynthia J. As someone who has "been there-done that"
I would really appreciate your input.
I sail off FT Lauderdale, Florida but it seems there are absolutely no
small boat sailors around here. No clubs either (now on the west coast of
Florida, that's another story - I think people here are afraid of the
ocean).
For a long time I have been interested in the West Wight Potter as a
small, trailable sailor but to buy one now your looking at spending
$10.000.00. I feel Cynthia J would be a good substitute - I love
Bolger's designs, been a fan for years, and have enough experience from
past boat building project to handle the job.
I wonder if you could answer a few questions for me ?
Just how good a sailor is she - Does she go where you head her ?
I like the lee-boards as opposed to a keel aka Micro - whats your
opinion ?
Do you have any idea of her cost to build (I like MDO board over todays
sudo-marine ply)
Any changes you would recommend ?
Thanks for your comments - Aloha Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Florida
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> From: pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 8/22/2004 8:11:01 PM
> Subject: Cynthia J wasRe: [bolger]
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> > I like that thing but it needs some floatation chambers ala' af3.
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> I think so too. I never capsized mine, nor swamped it, but it would a
> be a bad day. Bolger agreed, of course. The original plan has foam
> under the seats and in front of the mast. I bought a "ingot" of foam.
> I was going to put a length vertically against each side between the
> windows but I never go around to it. I did not do any calculation,
> but even 100lbs of flotation would help a lot.
>
> Peter
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