Re: BOW FILLER
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Bolger Champlain.Of course,the lucky devil is a cabinet-maker by
trade,and it shows.He is also a very proud owner who takes the time
to wipe down the dew each morning,from top to bottom.
It was a real treat to visit on board while in Kingston and an
excellent reminder of how well Bolger does interiors,from an
ergonomic point of view, for at no time does one ever feel
pinched,squeezed or otherwise forced to assume an un-natural posture
while taking repose in the cabin.Tasks best accomplished while
standing,like cooking and dish-washing,have the standing headroom
even for tall folks while other tasks like eating or studying on the
throne have also the required clearances.
It surprises me that there are not more Champlains around since for
a 22 footer they do offer an amazing amount of useful interior
volume yet need only the miserly out-put/gas-consumption of a 9.9hp
outboard. When I think of the many marinas packed with runnabouts in
the 20 somthing foot range,sporting big horses on their transoms and
virtually no accomadations relying on a small cuddycanvas work over
the cockpit for shelter,there is clearly a need for a Champlain.Too
often I've heard the lament about how so and so would have enjoyed
spending the weekend at anchor but it was too windy,rainy,cool
etc.....and they did not feel like being cooped up inside a litle
cuddy.The Champlain,with its' great capacity for all of ones
creature comforts,seems like the best possible route for extending
ones pleasures out on the water. If there is a down-side to
Champlain,it would have to be all the missed Mondays at work since
no-one would ever feel the need to rush back to the weekday rat-race.
As for those bow fillets,Bruce, you'll have to get a Windermere,for
having seen the plans for Champlains fillet piece,they appear to be
more in the order of simple wedges,à la V-bottom, then the
curvatious hand-magnets installed on Windermere. Not a day goes by
when I don't stroke,pat or otherwise simply sit and stare at the
boat,end-on, and marvel at its existence......or perhaps it is just
me since everytime I look at her fillet pieces I simply cannot
believe that I actually built them.So many curves,too few hands to
fully appreciate the fullness of them :-)
So,hurry up already and get your Navigator launched before
Jason"Fall or bust" Stancil beats you to it ;-) Besides,once the
Navigator is launched and"out there",you and yours will be able to
fully
appreciate and more easily envision just how much roomier a lovely
Champlain will be and that regardless of the weather( not a terribly
big concern,I suspect, for folks in sunny California) you can always
count on being comfortable. You could even tow/carry a number of
your smaller boats along for entertainment while out cruising and
calling in sick on Mondays :-D
Sincerely,
Peter"What!Me sick?" Lenihan, who came THIS close to doing a
Champlain until PCB cracked my dream-scape wide open with
Windermere...just a wee bit bigger then her baby sister but clearly
from the same father.............
> > it makes me want bow fillets on myIndeed! Han Van Pelts did a superb and intelligent rendering of a
> Champlain.
>
> I also was looking recently at the Kingson
> Messabout photos of Han Van Pelts Champlain
> and remarking to myself just how tricked out
> he made his boat, literally with a bell and a whistle
> [bull horn], boat hooks on hooks, BBQ, the luxury
> of a small cottage afloat.
>
>http://4dw.net/cosailor/ontario/champlain.htm
Bolger Champlain.Of course,the lucky devil is a cabinet-maker by
trade,and it shows.He is also a very proud owner who takes the time
to wipe down the dew each morning,from top to bottom.
It was a real treat to visit on board while in Kingston and an
excellent reminder of how well Bolger does interiors,from an
ergonomic point of view, for at no time does one ever feel
pinched,squeezed or otherwise forced to assume an un-natural posture
while taking repose in the cabin.Tasks best accomplished while
standing,like cooking and dish-washing,have the standing headroom
even for tall folks while other tasks like eating or studying on the
throne have also the required clearances.
It surprises me that there are not more Champlains around since for
a 22 footer they do offer an amazing amount of useful interior
volume yet need only the miserly out-put/gas-consumption of a 9.9hp
outboard. When I think of the many marinas packed with runnabouts in
the 20 somthing foot range,sporting big horses on their transoms and
virtually no accomadations relying on a small cuddycanvas work over
the cockpit for shelter,there is clearly a need for a Champlain.Too
often I've heard the lament about how so and so would have enjoyed
spending the weekend at anchor but it was too windy,rainy,cool
etc.....and they did not feel like being cooped up inside a litle
cuddy.The Champlain,with its' great capacity for all of ones
creature comforts,seems like the best possible route for extending
ones pleasures out on the water. If there is a down-side to
Champlain,it would have to be all the missed Mondays at work since
no-one would ever feel the need to rush back to the weekday rat-race.
As for those bow fillets,Bruce, you'll have to get a Windermere,for
having seen the plans for Champlains fillet piece,they appear to be
more in the order of simple wedges,à la V-bottom, then the
curvatious hand-magnets installed on Windermere. Not a day goes by
when I don't stroke,pat or otherwise simply sit and stare at the
boat,end-on, and marvel at its existence......or perhaps it is just
me since everytime I look at her fillet pieces I simply cannot
believe that I actually built them.So many curves,too few hands to
fully appreciate the fullness of them :-)
So,hurry up already and get your Navigator launched before
Jason"Fall or bust" Stancil beats you to it ;-) Besides,once the
Navigator is launched and"out there",you and yours will be able to
fully
appreciate and more easily envision just how much roomier a lovely
Champlain will be and that regardless of the weather( not a terribly
big concern,I suspect, for folks in sunny California) you can always
count on being comfortable. You could even tow/carry a number of
your smaller boats along for entertainment while out cruising and
calling in sick on Mondays :-D
Sincerely,
Peter"What!Me sick?" Lenihan, who came THIS close to doing a
Champlain until PCB cracked my dream-scape wide open with
Windermere...just a wee bit bigger then her baby sister but clearly
from the same father.............
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
and wow, I am reminded of just how magical
the transformation of flat plywood into a
beautifully curved boat hull can be.
Makes me want a Windermere, or at least,
it makes me want bow fillets on my
Champlain.
I also was looking recently at the Kingson
Messabout photos of Han Van Pelts Champlain
and remarking to myself just how tricked out
he made his boat, literally with a bell and a whistle
[bull horn], boat hooks on hooks, BBQ, the luxury
of a small cottage afloat.
http://4dw.net/cosailor/ontario/champlain.htm
> Peter LenihanI hadn't looked at those photos for many months,
and wow, I am reminded of just how magical
the transformation of flat plywood into a
beautifully curved boat hull can be.
Makes me want a Windermere, or at least,
it makes me want bow fillets on my
Champlain.
I also was looking recently at the Kingson
Messabout photos of Han Van Pelts Champlain
and remarking to myself just how tricked out
he made his boat, literally with a bell and a whistle
[bull horn], boat hooks on hooks, BBQ, the luxury
of a small cottage afloat.
http://4dw.net/cosailor/ontario/champlain.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
If you go here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
and scroll down to the group of photos posted 11/08/03,you'll have a
pretty good idea of what a Windermere "bow filler"(actually,Phil
calls it a fillet piece) actually looks like. A bit more evolved
then the nose pieces on the AS-39 and 29 and sexier then the Topaz
wedge :-)
I am enjoying the progress on your MICRO NAVIGATOR but fear that
your entire mainmast assembly and mast is...a..er...let's just say
over built.The whole assembly apparently will weight in excess of
80lbs(?) and you are considering adding 25lbs. of lead to the heal
of the mast?! while hoping to compensate by placing batteries aft?
I can't think too clearly now but I recall reading that weight
placed in the ends of a boat is generally not good for a boats
performance since these weights are located as far from the cental
axis as possible blah,blah,blah.......
Anyhow,what happened to a basic wooden mast? Surely less weight
and easier to get it to "key" into the tabernacle,no?
Hopefully you'll enjoy a Fall launch,2004 Fall that is :-) and
post lots of pictures!
Have you a clear idea as to how you will be doing your ballast
keel?
Good Luck,
Peter Lenihan,burning the candle at both ends between my work time
and play time on Windermere ie;7 days per week along the banks of
the busy St.Lawrence Seaway..............
wrote:
> never really checked out the bow of a windermere or it's drawings.Jason,
If you go here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
and scroll down to the group of photos posted 11/08/03,you'll have a
pretty good idea of what a Windermere "bow filler"(actually,Phil
calls it a fillet piece) actually looks like. A bit more evolved
then the nose pieces on the AS-39 and 29 and sexier then the Topaz
wedge :-)
I am enjoying the progress on your MICRO NAVIGATOR but fear that
your entire mainmast assembly and mast is...a..er...let's just say
over built.The whole assembly apparently will weight in excess of
80lbs(?) and you are considering adding 25lbs. of lead to the heal
of the mast?! while hoping to compensate by placing batteries aft?
I can't think too clearly now but I recall reading that weight
placed in the ends of a boat is generally not good for a boats
performance since these weights are located as far from the cental
axis as possible blah,blah,blah.......
Anyhow,what happened to a basic wooden mast? Surely less weight
and easier to get it to "key" into the tabernacle,no?
Hopefully you'll enjoy a Fall launch,2004 Fall that is :-) and
post lots of pictures!
Have you a clear idea as to how you will be doing your ballast
keel?
Good Luck,
Peter Lenihan,burning the candle at both ends between my work time
and play time on Windermere ie;7 days per week along the banks of
the busy St.Lawrence Seaway..............
Nels-
That tube is somewhere out there. Hope the CAPS is better than the
USPS!
I talked to Susanne A. about the changes.......she called before i
received the tube from them so i had no idea what she was talking
about at the time.
The bow fillets are there to quiet the boat at anchor/mooring. Like
you said as long as the boat is sailing with 5 or more degrees of
heel shes a v bottom anyhow. I skipped this mod on my boat(along with
all the other changes.....but after a few nights on board i may have
second thoughts). With the motoring you plan on doing in the LM
navigator the fillet may be key to beating against a chop.
Let me know if you can figure out the fillets on the plan......as i
cut up cardboard and toyed with the idea but the blueprint is so
vague i was'nt sure i was doing the right thing.
Jason
PS i finished up streamlining and mounting the tabernacle. It's all
set up drilled and functional for 80lbs of aluminum pipe! It's sweet!
Stll have to build a lock staff and seal up the bow floataion
chambers but it's done! I just grasp the mast put my feet on the
cabin top and hike out......and it's up. I have some extra lead so i
may put a 25lb counterweight in the heel to make it easier. I want to
see how the boat trims on the water first(the tabernacle and mast are
heafty, i have no mizzen and my outboard only weighs 25lbs......so
i'll put my batteries way aft and hope she balances out.
That tube is somewhere out there. Hope the CAPS is better than the
USPS!
I talked to Susanne A. about the changes.......she called before i
received the tube from them so i had no idea what she was talking
about at the time.
The bow fillets are there to quiet the boat at anchor/mooring. Like
you said as long as the boat is sailing with 5 or more degrees of
heel shes a v bottom anyhow. I skipped this mod on my boat(along with
all the other changes.....but after a few nights on board i may have
second thoughts). With the motoring you plan on doing in the LM
navigator the fillet may be key to beating against a chop.
Let me know if you can figure out the fillets on the plan......as i
cut up cardboard and toyed with the idea but the blueprint is so
vague i was'nt sure i was doing the right thing.
Jason
PS i finished up streamlining and mounting the tabernacle. It's all
set up drilled and functional for 80lbs of aluminum pipe! It's sweet!
Stll have to build a lock staff and seal up the bow floataion
chambers but it's done! I just grasp the mast put my feet on the
cabin top and hike out......and it's up. I have some extra lead so i
may put a 25lb counterweight in the heel to make it easier. I want to
see how the boat trims on the water first(the tabernacle and mast are
heafty, i have no mizzen and my outboard only weighs 25lbs......so
i'll put my batteries way aft and hope she balances out.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
somewhere in a mail sorting machine between Virginia and
Saskatchewan. Mailing tubes are notorious for doing that.(We traded
some plans.)
After taking a long hard look at the bow of LESTAT and trying to
imagine how to apply fillets to give a really effecctive anti-
phumping effect - I don't think it would be worth the effort.
Going by the tiny illustration for BWll in WB, it would appear that
you need to extend the depth of the keel at the bow in order to get
a 'vee' shape when the fillets are installed, from the chines to the
keel-line. Then a wave should in theory, be diverted by the bow entry
rather than slamming against it at a sharp angle.
But I am wondering if we are seeking a solution where there is really
no problem? If a MICRO is sailing it would be moving at an angle to
the waves and heeled so the lee chine is already presenting a vee
entry to the water.
If you are sailing upright that would mean the wind is so light that
you are hardly moving, so how can "slamming" occur? If you are
motoring then you do not have to go right directly into the waves
either, but can set an angled course that may even involve a tacking
manouver. This will tend to be easier on the boat, the passengers -
and likely tend to keep the prop fully immersed immersed. (Not so
much hobby horsing.)
The noise from ripples under the bow at anchor can be lessened by
running the bow up on shore or by anchoring off the stern so it faces
the wind, instead of the bow. Anchoring offshore can be an advantage
if bugs, rocks, or weeds are a nuisance.
So unless one is starting a MICRO series boat from scratch I can't
see it is worth the effort to apply this mod. If this is seen as a
real concern then do like Roger Derby and build an off-shore capable
version of the CHEBACCO or another muilt-chine design that has a
refined vee entry already as a part of the design.
I will further update the list when the new plans arrive. I am mainly
interested in the new sail plan and tabernacle for MICRO NAVIGATOR.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> never really checked out the bow of a windermere or it's drawings.The
> new drawing for the micro bow are ply fillets running from chine tokeel
> to just below waterline.......the forward portion of the keel hasbeen
> extended so there is still a bit or LR up thereFYI - I think the new drawings that Jason refers to are stuck
> JAson
somewhere in a mail sorting machine between Virginia and
Saskatchewan. Mailing tubes are notorious for doing that.(We traded
some plans.)
After taking a long hard look at the bow of LESTAT and trying to
imagine how to apply fillets to give a really effecctive anti-
phumping effect - I don't think it would be worth the effort.
Going by the tiny illustration for BWll in WB, it would appear that
you need to extend the depth of the keel at the bow in order to get
a 'vee' shape when the fillets are installed, from the chines to the
keel-line. Then a wave should in theory, be diverted by the bow entry
rather than slamming against it at a sharp angle.
But I am wondering if we are seeking a solution where there is really
no problem? If a MICRO is sailing it would be moving at an angle to
the waves and heeled so the lee chine is already presenting a vee
entry to the water.
If you are sailing upright that would mean the wind is so light that
you are hardly moving, so how can "slamming" occur? If you are
motoring then you do not have to go right directly into the waves
either, but can set an angled course that may even involve a tacking
manouver. This will tend to be easier on the boat, the passengers -
and likely tend to keep the prop fully immersed immersed. (Not so
much hobby horsing.)
The noise from ripples under the bow at anchor can be lessened by
running the bow up on shore or by anchoring off the stern so it faces
the wind, instead of the bow. Anchoring offshore can be an advantage
if bugs, rocks, or weeds are a nuisance.
So unless one is starting a MICRO series boat from scratch I can't
see it is worth the effort to apply this mod. If this is seen as a
real concern then do like Roger Derby and build an off-shore capable
version of the CHEBACCO or another muilt-chine design that has a
refined vee entry already as a part of the design.
I will further update the list when the new plans arrive. I am mainly
interested in the new sail plan and tabernacle for MICRO NAVIGATOR.
Cheers, Nels
never really checked out the bow of a windermere or it's drawings. The
new drawing for the micro bow are ply fillets running from chine to keel
to just below waterline.......the forward portion of the keel has been
extended so there is still a bit or LR up there
JAson
new drawing for the micro bow are ply fillets running from chine to keel
to just below waterline.......the forward portion of the keel has been
extended so there is still a bit or LR up there
JAson
> Does the new Micro plan sheet show a tapered fillet
> like the 'Windermere' fillet?
Actually yes, the Double Eagle, while not a step sharpie,
does have the 'Topaz' style fillets that Jack was asking about.
does have the 'Topaz' style fillets that Jack was asking about.
>pvanderwaart wrote:
> > How many step Bolger sharpie sailboats are there?
>
> Do you want to count the catamarn Double Eagle?
> How many step Bolger sharpie sailboats are there?Do you want to count the catamarn Double Eagle?
I think Jack was asking about the step sharpies, and the
'Windermere' type of fillet.
How many step Bolger sharpie sailboats are there?
I can think of Col. H.G. Hasler and Fiji. There must be
others too.
AS29 and BWII have anti phlumping overlays.
Does the new Micro plan sheet show a tapered fillet
like the 'Windermere' fillet?
'Windermere' type of fillet.
How many step Bolger sharpie sailboats are there?
I can think of Col. H.G. Hasler and Fiji. There must be
others too.
AS29 and BWII have anti phlumping overlays.
Does the new Micro plan sheet show a tapered fillet
like the 'Windermere' fillet?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
JAson
wrote:
> > Does anyone know of any of PB&F's sailing sharpies thatbow
> > has the foam or plywood rounding off filler piece added to the
> > to prevent slamming?Same goes for the micro navigator these days....
>
> The new BWII for one, and the revised AS-29 for another.
JAson
> Does anyone know of any of PB&F's sailing sharpies thatThe new BWII for one, and the revised AS-29 for another.
> has the foam or plywood rounding off filler piece added to the bow
> to prevent slamming?
Hi All - Does anyone know of any of PB&F's sailing sharpies that
has the foam or plywood rounding off filler piece added to the bow
to prevent slamming as they do on the power sharpies like
Champlain and Topaz ?
Thanks - Aloha - Jack Spoering
has the foam or plywood rounding off filler piece added to the bow
to prevent slamming as they do on the power sharpies like
Champlain and Topaz ?
Thanks - Aloha - Jack Spoering