Re: [bolger] Re: Tools!
Amen, especially when a tool is not often used. If I am using
it constantly then I start to look for better quality.
I can admire people who have the discipline, patience and time to
take proper care of tools but I am not one of them. So I am often
better off with disposable tools.
Two ( of many) problems with disposable tools:
First: You can get hurt easier with a crap tool than with a good tool,
just as it is easier to cut yourself with a dull knife ( or tool)
than with a sharp one. Less force and a predictable tool are safer.
Second: I end up taking most of the cheapos back to the store because
they don't perform minimally as advertised. Time, emotion, and effort
spent isn't worth it. Still, every so often I bite :)
My favorite tool is a Japanese pull saw. My least favorite a cheap jigsaw
that I cannot make saw at 90 degrees to the surface and that wanders
all over and the damn blade falls out. I want a good Bosch! the Porsch
of tools. Any other suggestions out there?
A good jigsaw is a must. The difference is abysmal. I went trough that
one. Actually that jigsaw ( a bottom of the line B&D) may have been
the one to finanlly convince me.
Note: careful with Bosch. Thay are making more and more of their stuff
in china. They are not what they used to be. Their pro (blue) stuff
used to be all mfg. in Germany or Switzerland. Nowadays you should
check.
Interestingly enough, all our good tools are made in UK, Germany, USA,
Spain, or Japan, places where workers are adults, and most safety and
labor requirements are somewhat reasonable.
it constantly then I start to look for better quality.
I can admire people who have the discipline, patience and time to
take proper care of tools but I am not one of them. So I am often
better off with disposable tools.
Two ( of many) problems with disposable tools:
First: You can get hurt easier with a crap tool than with a good tool,
just as it is easier to cut yourself with a dull knife ( or tool)
than with a sharp one. Less force and a predictable tool are safer.
Second: I end up taking most of the cheapos back to the store because
they don't perform minimally as advertised. Time, emotion, and effort
spent isn't worth it. Still, every so often I bite :)
My favorite tool is a Japanese pull saw. My least favorite a cheap jigsaw
that I cannot make saw at 90 degrees to the surface and that wanders
all over and the damn blade falls out. I want a good Bosch! the Porsch
of tools. Any other suggestions out there?
A good jigsaw is a must. The difference is abysmal. I went trough that
one. Actually that jigsaw ( a bottom of the line B&D) may have been
the one to finanlly convince me.
Note: careful with Bosch. Thay are making more and more of their stuff
in china. They are not what they used to be. Their pro (blue) stuff
used to be all mfg. in Germany or Switzerland. Nowadays you should
check.
Interestingly enough, all our good tools are made in UK, Germany, USA,
Spain, or Japan, places where workers are adults, and most safety and
labor requirements are somewhat reasonable.
On Sunday 05 September 2004 04:04 pm, Roger Derby wrote:
storage algorithms.: 1) It is where it belongs and 2)it is where I left
it last. The first algorithm is the only one most people even
know about, "a place for each tool". The second algorithm,
which most people consider "a cluttered shop" involves half
as many moves and so is faster but does not work for more
than one user. Unfortunately the "it is where I left it" also
requires one remember where that was.
Once I had a great memory but I forget where I left it. Oh yeh,
I remember now, I got old.
So now I just pile them all on a table (4x8 plywood on 30 inch legs)
and when I must move them I put them in related groups in stackable
plastic tote boxes (Rubbermaid Roughneck 3 Gallon Totes See
http://doityourself.com/store/6247217.htm) that cost about $5 each.
Totes also act as a good cache for tools recently used, which
are often the tools most likely to be needed next. So I put a tote
near the specific are where I am working.
your shop. Some guys main kick is having a shop that looks great. Not
mine. I would rather crank stuff out.
it constantly then I start to look for better quality.
I can admire people who have the discipline, patience and time to
take proper care of tools but I am not one of them. So I am often
better off with disposable tools.
For instance, I wear eyeglasses for far vision. I am nearsighted but
see quite well out to about 15 inches. My vision is improving as I age.
I buy cheap glasses and take them off and on a lot. I treat them as a
disposable, to be scratched, broken, smeared with glue, and lost
with no great concern. I buy them in Tijuana. I have been using this
tool (eyeglasses) for fifty years ...
My favorite tool is a Japanese pull saw. My least favorite a cheap jigsaw
that I cannot make saw at 90 degrees to the surface and that wanders
all over and the damn blade falls out. I want a good Bosch! the Porsch
of tools. Any other suggestions out there?
A problem. One uses 20% of ones tools 80% of the time. But then
every so often a job is a lot easier with something special. So boiling
ones tools down to a minimum is a constant challenge.
/boblq
>I too am an engineer and I agree. There are two very different
> Engineers are the "educated migrants" so I've owned seven houses over the
> last 45 years. (Eight if you count the house trailer I started in and which
> served for El Paso, Champaign, and Schenectady.) Only in the first one did
> I go the pegboard route with designated storage for each hammer and saw.
storage algorithms.: 1) It is where it belongs and 2)it is where I left
it last. The first algorithm is the only one most people even
know about, "a place for each tool". The second algorithm,
which most people consider "a cluttered shop" involves half
as many moves and so is faster but does not work for more
than one user. Unfortunately the "it is where I left it" also
requires one remember where that was.
Once I had a great memory but I forget where I left it. Oh yeh,
I remember now, I got old.
So now I just pile them all on a table (4x8 plywood on 30 inch legs)
and when I must move them I put them in related groups in stackable
plastic tote boxes (Rubbermaid Roughneck 3 Gallon Totes See
http://doityourself.com/store/6247217.htm) that cost about $5 each.
Totes also act as a good cache for tools recently used, which
are often the tools most likely to be needed next. So I put a tote
near the specific are where I am working.
> Yes, each tool needs a home so you can find it, but beyond that ... WhereYou can spend your time building something or building and organizing
> do these guys in the magazines get the time to paint silhouettes on the
> board?
your shop. Some guys main kick is having a shop that looks great. Not
mine. I would rather crank stuff out.
> I feel better having a ten dollar square rattling around the toolAmen, especially when a tool is not often used. If I am using
> cart than seeing my Starett half buried by rasps and hammers. The stuff
> from the pawn shops and yard sales does most of the jobs quite well.
it constantly then I start to look for better quality.
I can admire people who have the discipline, patience and time to
take proper care of tools but I am not one of them. So I am often
better off with disposable tools.
For instance, I wear eyeglasses for far vision. I am nearsighted but
see quite well out to about 15 inches. My vision is improving as I age.
I buy cheap glasses and take them off and on a lot. I treat them as a
disposable, to be scratched, broken, smeared with glue, and lost
with no great concern. I buy them in Tijuana. I have been using this
tool (eyeglasses) for fifty years ...
My favorite tool is a Japanese pull saw. My least favorite a cheap jigsaw
that I cannot make saw at 90 degrees to the surface and that wanders
all over and the damn blade falls out. I want a good Bosch! the Porsch
of tools. Any other suggestions out there?
A problem. One uses 20% of ones tools 80% of the time. But then
every so often a job is a lot easier with something special. So boiling
ones tools down to a minimum is a constant challenge.
/boblq
I was not thinking so much about precision as I was ease of use and longevity. There is very little that is square on a boat, and for most operations, it is necessary to apply a portable tool to the work, rather than maneuver a boat piece over a stationary tool.
I am the kind of woodworker who turns a piece of wood into sawdust while the craftsman is still contemplating the soul of the tree. There is no sense in buying tools which are piece of art when you are actually going to use them, and a yard sale square works as well as a Garrett Wade (assuming they are both actually square, and I've seen examples of each that are not). However, I want a power tool which will not choke down or burn up the first time I put a load on it. Perhaps my term "most tool" should have been the "strongest, most powerful tool" you can manage.
I once built a Folbot with a hammer, a screw driver, a quarter inch drill, and a hand saw. It can be done, but good tools make it so much easier.
John T
I am the kind of woodworker who turns a piece of wood into sawdust while the craftsman is still contemplating the soul of the tree. There is no sense in buying tools which are piece of art when you are actually going to use them, and a yard sale square works as well as a Garrett Wade (assuming they are both actually square, and I've seen examples of each that are not). However, I want a power tool which will not choke down or burn up the first time I put a load on it. Perhaps my term "most tool" should have been the "strongest, most powerful tool" you can manage.
I once built a Folbot with a hammer, a screw driver, a quarter inch drill, and a hand saw. It can be done, but good tools make it so much easier.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Derby
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Tools!
That's a point I was going to make. I am NOT building furniture. Good
furniture demands a degree of fit and finish that's incompatible with using
thickened epoxy to close gaps of 1/8" or so. What I'm doing is
waterproofing a hole in the water that will hopefully be easy to move and
fun to sail.
Yes, good tools are a pleasure to own and use, IF you are willing to give
them the care they deserve. I used to squirm with guilt when "getting on
with it" precluded regular waxing and careful storage.
One mistake I made early on. I assumed that when I bought a table saw I
would have no more trouble making square cuts and ripping boards to a
uniform width. Leaving aside the fact that it came from Montgomery Ward's
scratch and dent area and had a bad casting, it demanded a great deal of
set-up, alignment and skill to make well fitted joints. My new Delta
demands almost as much care; it's just easier to do the necessary tweaks and
I cry more when I see rust on the table. (In this part of Indiana
everything rusts!) With proper set-up you can get most of the same cuts
with a tree trimming saw. It just takes longer.
Engineers are the "educated migrants" so I've owned seven houses over the
last 45 years. (Eight if you count the house trailer I started in and which
served for El Paso, Champaign, and Schenectady.) Only in the first one did
I go the pegboard route with designated storage for each hammer and saw.
Yes, each tool needs a home so you can find it, but beyond that ... Where
do these guys in the magazines get the time to paint silhouettes on the
board? I feel better having a ten dollar square rattling around the tool
cart than seeing my Starett half buried by rasps and hammers. The stuff
from the pawn shops and yard sales does most of the jobs quite well.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
> I have a friend who is a serious woodworker/furniture builder.
> He will undoubtedly win the "He who dies with the most toys
> wins " contest. It is his position that you should always buy the
> "most" tool you can afford, and, so far, I cannot disagree with him.
>
> JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > I wince when I look at some of the
> > brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
> > self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
>
> I must admit that I wince too - when I read about some of your
> exploits. However you are getting a boat built while many of us just
> keep talking about it. You and Jason are a constant joy:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
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That's a point I was going to make. I am NOT building furniture. Good
furniture demands a degree of fit and finish that's incompatible with using
thickened epoxy to close gaps of 1/8" or so. What I'm doing is
waterproofing a hole in the water that will hopefully be easy to move and
fun to sail.
Yes, good tools are a pleasure to own and use, IF you are willing to give
them the care they deserve. I used to squirm with guilt when "getting on
with it" precluded regular waxing and careful storage.
One mistake I made early on. I assumed that when I bought a table saw I
would have no more trouble making square cuts and ripping boards to a
uniform width. Leaving aside the fact that it came from Montgomery Ward's
scratch and dent area and had a bad casting, it demanded a great deal of
set-up, alignment and skill to make well fitted joints. My new Delta
demands almost as much care; it's just easier to do the necessary tweaks and
I cry more when I see rust on the table. (In this part of Indiana
everything rusts!) With proper set-up you can get most of the same cuts
with a tree trimming saw. It just takes longer.
Engineers are the "educated migrants" so I've owned seven houses over the
last 45 years. (Eight if you count the house trailer I started in and which
served for El Paso, Champaign, and Schenectady.) Only in the first one did
I go the pegboard route with designated storage for each hammer and saw.
Yes, each tool needs a home so you can find it, but beyond that ... Where
do these guys in the magazines get the time to paint silhouettes on the
board? I feel better having a ten dollar square rattling around the tool
cart than seeing my Starett half buried by rasps and hammers. The stuff
from the pawn shops and yard sales does most of the jobs quite well.
Roger
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furniture demands a degree of fit and finish that's incompatible with using
thickened epoxy to close gaps of 1/8" or so. What I'm doing is
waterproofing a hole in the water that will hopefully be easy to move and
fun to sail.
Yes, good tools are a pleasure to own and use, IF you are willing to give
them the care they deserve. I used to squirm with guilt when "getting on
with it" precluded regular waxing and careful storage.
One mistake I made early on. I assumed that when I bought a table saw I
would have no more trouble making square cuts and ripping boards to a
uniform width. Leaving aside the fact that it came from Montgomery Ward's
scratch and dent area and had a bad casting, it demanded a great deal of
set-up, alignment and skill to make well fitted joints. My new Delta
demands almost as much care; it's just easier to do the necessary tweaks and
I cry more when I see rust on the table. (In this part of Indiana
everything rusts!) With proper set-up you can get most of the same cuts
with a tree trimming saw. It just takes longer.
Engineers are the "educated migrants" so I've owned seven houses over the
last 45 years. (Eight if you count the house trailer I started in and which
served for El Paso, Champaign, and Schenectady.) Only in the first one did
I go the pegboard route with designated storage for each hammer and saw.
Yes, each tool needs a home so you can find it, but beyond that ... Where
do these guys in the magazines get the time to paint silhouettes on the
board? I feel better having a ten dollar square rattling around the tool
cart than seeing my Starett half buried by rasps and hammers. The stuff
from the pawn shops and yard sales does most of the jobs quite well.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
> I have a friend who is a serious woodworker/furniture builder.
> He will undoubtedly win the "He who dies with the most toys
> wins " contest. It is his position that you should always buy the
> "most" tool you can afford, and, so far, I cannot disagree with him.
>
> JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > I wince when I look at some of the
> > brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
> > self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
>
> I must admit that I wince too - when I read about some of your
> exploits. However you are getting a boat built while many of us just
> keep talking about it. You and Jason are a constant joy:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
>
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I have a freind who is a serious woodworker/furniture builder. He will undoubtedly win the "He who dies with the most toys wins " contest. It is his position that you should always buy the "most" tool you can afford, and, so far, I cannot disagree with him.
JohnT
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From: Nels
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tools!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> I wince when I look at some of the
> brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
> self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
>
Hi Roger,
I must admit that I wince too - when I read about some of your
exploits. However you are getting a boat built while many of us just
keep talking about it. You and Jason are a constant joy:-)
Cheers, Nels
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
I must admit that I wince too - when I read about some of your
exploits. However you are getting a boat built while many of us just
keep talking about it. You and Jason are a constant joy:-)
Cheers, Nels
> I wince when I look at some of theHi Roger,
> brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
> self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
>
I must admit that I wince too - when I read about some of your
exploits. However you are getting a boat built while many of us just
keep talking about it. You and Jason are a constant joy:-)
Cheers, Nels
I think that, like your friends BMW, I got an exception. What upsets me is
the fact that they wouldn't take my complaints seriously. Sure, I waited
six months to pull it out of the box and discover the problem, but it did
have the Dewalt name on it.
There are some companies; e.g. Lee Valley that sell what they call "Pride
and Joy" tools, tools that are a real pleasure to own and use. The other
extreme is the stuff that Harbor Freight imports from China, ugly and
difficult. What surprises me is how often the Chinese stuff gets the job
done. (Remember that this is a hobby for me and even a saw will only get a
few hours of use in a year.)
I also feel guilty when my better tools show signs of rust. Done right, I'd
spend hours on tool maintenance each week.
If it's a business, then one can balance the questions with economics. If
it's a hobby, then the stuff owns you. I wince when I look at some of the
brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
Roger
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the fact that they wouldn't take my complaints seriously. Sure, I waited
six months to pull it out of the box and discover the problem, but it did
have the Dewalt name on it.
There are some companies; e.g. Lee Valley that sell what they call "Pride
and Joy" tools, tools that are a real pleasure to own and use. The other
extreme is the stuff that Harbor Freight imports from China, ugly and
difficult. What surprises me is how often the Chinese stuff gets the job
done. (Remember that this is a hobby for me and even a saw will only get a
few hours of use in a year.)
I also feel guilty when my better tools show signs of rust. Done right, I'd
spend hours on tool maintenance each week.
If it's a business, then one can balance the questions with economics. If
it's a hobby, then the stuff owns you. I wince when I look at some of the
brightwork in Wooden Boat Magazine. I can't imagine summoning the
self-discipline needed to keep the craft in the state they deserve.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "juan negron" <juan.negron@...>
> > Just to prove that the exception proves the rule, my experience
> > with Dewalt is/was bad. Never again.
>
> I hate to hear about your experience.
> We have four DW tools, Including the big sliding miter saw. They get
> heavy duty pro use daily. They last and perform. We have had a battery
> drill drop from a two story scaffolding onto a stone floor over a year
> ago. There is a hairline crack in the metal gearbox. It gets used
> daily, and works fine. That kind of experience builds loyalty.
>
> An anecdote:
>
> For years I wanted to have a biscuit joiner, but they are not very
> common in Spain and are generally pro level only, and I couldn't
> justify the cost for the use it would get.
>
> One day I came across a Wolfcraft biscuit joiner adaptor for grinders
> in a home improvement center. Although I had solemnly sworn to not
> EVER get suckered into the adaptor scam again, the price was good, the
> warranty long, the brand fairly reliable, and there was a money back
> guarantee, so I bit. I bought a disposable 3,8 Amp grinder and
> attached the thing.
>
> It works! I wouldn't depend on it on a pro or prime hobby level, but
> it works! ( I have read in the woodworking groups that the
> contraption is basically the same as the SKIL biscuit joiner ).
>
> I guess there are exceptions to everything. I had a girlfriend who
> bought new a series 3 BMW that was a TOTAL lemon...
>
> Actually, if you want UNREAL quality and service, get a HILTI tool.
> A two speed non-impact 2,7A drill will set you back 306 Euro ( US$
> 369 I believe), But ( In Spain at least) with that you get 2 years
> warranty AND service included, 48 Hr service turnarround, and loaner
> tool while in service...
> Juan.
Just to prove that the exception proves the rule, my experience with Dewalt
is/was bad.
...
Never again.
I hate to hear about your experience.
We have four DW tools, Including the big sliding miter saw. They get
heavy duty pro use daily. They last and perform. We have had a battery
drill drop from a two story scaffolding onto a stone floor over a year
ago. There is a hairline crack in the metal gearbox. It gets used
daily, and works fine. That kind of experience builds loyalty.
An anecdote:
For years I wanted to have a biscuit joiner, but they are not very
common in Spain and are generally pro level only, and I couldn't
justify the cost for the use it would get.
One day I came across a Wolfcraft biscuit joiner adaptor for grinders
in a home improvement center. Although I had solemnly sworn to not
EVER get suckered into the adaptor scam again, the price was good, the
warranty long, the brand fairly reliable, and there was a money back
guarantee, so I bit. I bought a disposable 3,8 Amp grinder and
attached the thing.
It works! I wouldn't depend on it on a pro or prime hobby level, but
it works! ( I have read in the woodworking groups that the
contraption is basically the same as the SKIL biscuit joiner ).
I guess there are exceptions to everything. I had a girlfriend who
bought new a series 3 BMW that was a TOTAL lemon...
Actually, if you want UNREAL quality and service, get a HILTI tool.
A two speed non-impact 2,7A drill will set you back 306 Euro ( US$
369 I believe), But ( In Spain at least) with that you get 2 years
warranty AND service included, 48 Hr service turnarround, and loaner
tool while in service...
Juan.
I
is/was bad.
...
Never again.
I hate to hear about your experience.
We have four DW tools, Including the big sliding miter saw. They get
heavy duty pro use daily. They last and perform. We have had a battery
drill drop from a two story scaffolding onto a stone floor over a year
ago. There is a hairline crack in the metal gearbox. It gets used
daily, and works fine. That kind of experience builds loyalty.
An anecdote:
For years I wanted to have a biscuit joiner, but they are not very
common in Spain and are generally pro level only, and I couldn't
justify the cost for the use it would get.
One day I came across a Wolfcraft biscuit joiner adaptor for grinders
in a home improvement center. Although I had solemnly sworn to not
EVER get suckered into the adaptor scam again, the price was good, the
warranty long, the brand fairly reliable, and there was a money back
guarantee, so I bit. I bought a disposable 3,8 Amp grinder and
attached the thing.
It works! I wouldn't depend on it on a pro or prime hobby level, but
it works! ( I have read in the woodworking groups that the
contraption is basically the same as the SKIL biscuit joiner ).
I guess there are exceptions to everything. I had a girlfriend who
bought new a series 3 BMW that was a TOTAL lemon...
Actually, if you want UNREAL quality and service, get a HILTI tool.
A two speed non-impact 2,7A drill will set you back 306 Euro ( US$
369 I believe), But ( In Spain at least) with that you get 2 years
warranty AND service included, 48 Hr service turnarround, and loaner
tool while in service...
Juan.
I
Just to prove that the exception proves the rule, my experience with Dewalt
is/was bad. I paid extra to get a biscuit jointer from them based on their
reputation and the casting was bad so that the slot was cut at an angle.
Contacting them was no help, so I had to disassemble, file, and shim to line
things up. Never again.
You sure are right on the grinders. I do change disks (got a big box for
little money), and once you learn to ignore the horrible noises the square
cut gears make, they just keep going and going and you don't care how you
abuse them. (One of mine is out of service at the moment because I leaned a
gate I was welding against its cord. Lots of sparks as the insulation
melted away.)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
is/was bad. I paid extra to get a biscuit jointer from them based on their
reputation and the casting was bad so that the slot was cut at an angle.
Contacting them was no help, so I had to disassemble, file, and shim to line
things up. Never again.
You sure are right on the grinders. I do change disks (got a big box for
little money), and once you learn to ignore the horrible noises the square
cut gears make, they just keep going and going and you don't care how you
abuse them. (One of mine is out of service at the moment because I leaned a
gate I was welding against its cord. Lots of sparks as the insulation
melted away.)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "juan negron" <juan.negron@...>
>
> Power tools should be, with very few exceptions, of pro quality.
> B&D is generally a no-no. OTOH, DeWalt ( owned by B&D) is
> the exact opposite. In my experience their tools work as well OR
> BETTER than advertised. Always.
>
> This tends to be the case with most respected brand's pro lines. ( buy
> BOSCH blue - not green, Hitachi green - not grey, etc...) Some other
> brands blur the line, as Makita does, and if you don't do your
> research you may end up with a lightweight.
>
> One of my exceptions is grinders. I buy the disposable type, and
> always have two or three at hand. That way I don't keep wasting time
> changing disks.
As the saying goes in Spain:
"The poor man goes twice to the market"
Power tools should be, with very few exceptions, of pro quality. B&D
is generally a no-no. OTOH, DeWalt ( owned by B&D) is the exact
opposite. In my experience their tools work as well OR BETTER than
advertised. Always.
This tends to be the case with most respected brand's pro lines. ( buy
BOSCH blue - not green, Hitachi green - not grey, etc...) Some other
brands blur the line, as Makita does, and if you don't do your
research you may end up with a lightweight.
One of my exceptions is grinders. I buy the disposable type, and
always have two or three at hand. That way I don't keep wasting time
changing disks.
Juan.
"The poor man goes twice to the market"
Power tools should be, with very few exceptions, of pro quality. B&D
is generally a no-no. OTOH, DeWalt ( owned by B&D) is the exact
opposite. In my experience their tools work as well OR BETTER than
advertised. Always.
This tends to be the case with most respected brand's pro lines. ( buy
BOSCH blue - not green, Hitachi green - not grey, etc...) Some other
brands blur the line, as Makita does, and if you don't do your
research you may end up with a lightweight.
One of my exceptions is grinders. I buy the disposable type, and
always have two or three at hand. That way I don't keep wasting time
changing disks.
Juan.
Ha! I bought a new porter cable orbital sander this morning it's a 3
amp monster. I love this thing.......i've sanded for 3 hours
straight and the rythmic humming is sooooo soothing. It will go even
better with beer tonight. Note to anyone don't waste your money on a
silly little B&D mouse mine lasted all of 3 months before burning
out. Buy a real tool with some umph. It was ugly and cheap not
nearly as sexy as the hitachi or makita but so far i can't complain.
Maybe my finish will be better than i anticipated. Front tabernacle
bracing is in as wellas the forward floatation chambers. Final coat
of epoxy by nightfall
October (2004') or bust!
Jason
amp monster. I love this thing.......i've sanded for 3 hours
straight and the rythmic humming is sooooo soothing. It will go even
better with beer tonight. Note to anyone don't waste your money on a
silly little B&D mouse mine lasted all of 3 months before burning
out. Buy a real tool with some umph. It was ugly and cheap not
nearly as sexy as the hitachi or makita but so far i can't complain.
Maybe my finish will be better than i anticipated. Front tabernacle
bracing is in as wellas the forward floatation chambers. Final coat
of epoxy by nightfall
October (2004') or bust!
Jason