Re: [bolger] Re: Another Birdwatcher Photo
The latest MAIB arrived today and it features part 2 of PCB's write-up on BW
II.
Roger
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From: "Mark" <marka@...>
> And who can forget Michalak's lugsail version?
>
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2003/1015/index.htm#Birdwatcher%20Lugsail
>
>
> > For those of you who can't get enough of PCB's Birdwatcher, there's a
> > color photo of a Birdwatcher in full sail on Tampa Bay in the September
> > 2004 issue of Sailing magazine. Can't tell if it's a BW I or BW II.
> > Sure is pretty, though.
Bolger draws boats for customers. One of his charms is
that he pays attention to what the customer wants and
begins with a clean sheet of paper and an open mind.
Today he and Susanne pick and choose the designs they
work on because They can. They want to draw boats that
will be built. They really enjoy the intellectual
challenge of designing and getting things right.
They revisit designs and get them righter as customers
and their interest direct them. The revisions of Bird
Watcher and Martha Jane are clear examples.
If you want a simple design, commission it. If you
want to change a design, ask them about it. If they
turn you down it can be because their plate is full or
because they think that your changes don't make sense
or would be unsafe. Or they may suggest a different
design of theirs that does what you want.
They will probably tell you in a nice letter or fax.
They do respond to inquiries.
Phil Smith
that he pays attention to what the customer wants and
begins with a clean sheet of paper and an open mind.
Today he and Susanne pick and choose the designs they
work on because They can. They want to draw boats that
will be built. They really enjoy the intellectual
challenge of designing and getting things right.
They revisit designs and get them righter as customers
and their interest direct them. The revisions of Bird
Watcher and Martha Jane are clear examples.
If you want a simple design, commission it. If you
want to change a design, ask them about it. If they
turn you down it can be because their plate is full or
because they think that your changes don't make sense
or would be unsafe. Or they may suggest a different
design of theirs that does what you want.
They will probably tell you in a nice letter or fax.
They do respond to inquiries.
Phil Smith
> > At the risk of being labeled politically incorrecthttp://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/_0TolB/TM
> curmudgen, I
> note that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs
> have gone from
> ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the
> fancification a
> function of the influence of a different designer
> (who happens to be
> a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is
> the
> fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer
> BW1, but maybe
> I'm in the minority.
> >
> > John T
>
>
> John T.,
>
> I was always drawn to Bolger and his designs
> because they seemed
> so buildable.His frank write ups about some of those
> designs was
> also a refreshing break from the rest of the
> designers out there who
> sometime spoke of their designs like they were
> creations of some God.
> Equally fascinating were his endeavours toward
> reducing and
> simplifying things down to their essence.That he
> backed up some of
> those terribly simple designs with some rather sound
> arguements in
> favour of them only added to the fun :-)
> Yet,despite Bolgers honnest offerings for
> simple,quick to build
> boats for"everyone", there always appeared to be
> someone,somewhere
> out there who felt compelled to modify or"improve"
> on a particular
> design.Just go through some of the posts here to
> read about some of
> the proposed"improvements".Entertainment at its best
> :-)
> I like the addition of Susanne to the design
> effort and suspect
> that alot of the mods and available retro-fit design
> options now
> available for some of those basic designs like the
> AS-
> 29,Birdwatcher,Micro etc....owe their existance to
> her efforts.In
> effect,she is making available sound
> improvements/mods to older
> designs along with the "stamp of approval" from the
> good offices of
> PCB&F's.Surely this is a great asset for the
> compulsive amateur
> designer/builder to satisfy their need to tinker
> without
> compromising an otherwise worthy design?
> Mind you,with 2 designers at work,you also
> double your chances
> of perhaps not liking a particular design offering
> ;-) ..... there
> certainly are some earlier pure Bolger designs which
> leave me
> indifferent,no matter how hopeful Bolgers attached
> brief is.
> Fortunately for all of us, his body of work is
> massive and there
> appears to be little reason to think that it is
> about to end anytime
> soon.
> And finally, I would imagine it rather
> challenging for a designer
> to satisfy both camps.That is,those who
> study/collect plans and
> those who actually build from them. What we often
> get to see is the
> result of a specific design commission for someone
> else who's
> tastes,budget and intentions surely do not reflect
> our own.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter"Chaqun � son gout" Lenihan
>
>
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And who can forget Michalak's lugsail version?
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2003/1015/index.htm#Birdwatcher%20Lugsail
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2003/1015/index.htm#Birdwatcher%20Lugsail
> For those of you who can't get enough of PCB's Birdwatcher, there's a
> color photo of a Birdwatcher in full sail on Tampa Bay in the September
> 2004 issue of Sailing magazine. Can't tell if it's a BW I or BW II.
> Sure is pretty, though.
>
For those of you who can't get enough of PCB's Birdwatcher, there's a
color photo of a Birdwatcher in full sail on Tampa Bay in the September
2004 issue of Sailing magazine. Can't tell if it's a BW I or BW II.
Sure is pretty, though.
Tom
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color photo of a Birdwatcher in full sail on Tampa Bay in the September
2004 issue of Sailing magazine. Can't tell if it's a BW I or BW II.
Sure is pretty, though.
Tom
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It is worth noting that most all of the Bolger
designs we consider to be 'classics' were
designed to meet the 'demands' of a client. The
Instant Boat series, were designed specifically
for Dynamite Payson, and his vision of a
catalogue of easy home buildable plywood boats.
Perhaps if someone else, with a vision like
Dynamites, were to come along, Bolger
would design some more ultra simple boats.
Even Birdwatcher II was a response to many
complaints that BW needed an outboard
motor. Bolger's answer to that request was
noticably more clever/elegant than any of the
jury rigged outboard mounts to BW of which
I am aware.
You can't blame Bolger for responding to the
chorus of complaints that Birdwatcher needed
"improving".
designs we consider to be 'classics' were
designed to meet the 'demands' of a client. The
Instant Boat series, were designed specifically
for Dynamite Payson, and his vision of a
catalogue of easy home buildable plywood boats.
Perhaps if someone else, with a vision like
Dynamites, were to come along, Bolger
would design some more ultra simple boats.
Even Birdwatcher II was a response to many
complaints that BW needed an outboard
motor. Bolger's answer to that request was
noticably more clever/elegant than any of the
jury rigged outboard mounts to BW of which
I am aware.
You can't blame Bolger for responding to the
chorus of complaints that Birdwatcher needed
"improving".
My first encounter with Bolger was in a cabin in Nome AK in the mid 70's
, reading The Folding Schooner on cold stormy winter days when we
couldn't fly and day dreaming of winning the OSTAR in Moccasin.
I can still get lust in my heart by looking at the pictures of Moccasin
in Folding Schooner, thats a long term relationship!!
HJ
David Romasco wrote:
, reading The Folding Schooner on cold stormy winter days when we
couldn't fly and day dreaming of winning the OSTAR in Moccasin.
I can still get lust in my heart by looking at the pictures of Moccasin
in Folding Schooner, thats a long term relationship!!
HJ
David Romasco wrote:
>Heck, John,
>
>I'd be delighted just to see some of the designs that made it out the door,
>but aren't known today; I like to snatch up old design collection books,
>just in case some gem lurks ( and the 'what was he THINKING' items pop up
>too). Bolger readily acknowledges that many of the older designs from the
>Fifties and Sixties have been misplaced over the years.
>
>And what a way for you to first encounter Bolger: Monhegan!
>
>David
>
> _____
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>From: John B. Trussell [mailto:John.Trussell@...]
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:30 AM
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
>photos posted.
>
>
>Well, I stirred up some controversy.
>
>I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten with a profile drawing of
>Monhegan which appeared in a "MotorBoating and Sailling" in the early 70's.
>Certainly, PCB has drawn boats which are both complex and strikingly
>beautiful. However, in my opinion, PCB's genius lies in his pursuit of an
>idea to its logical conclusion, regardless of how offbeat that conclusion
>might be. (Sometimes the result is so bizar that it is best forgotten--I
>would love to see what PCB has thrown away over the years--but more often,
>the result is remarkable.) Some, though not all of that, seems to have been
>lost in recent years.
>
>John T
>
>
>
>
>JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Romasco
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
>photos posted.
>
>
> Case in point to my previous thoughts (this is from 1957):
>
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> David
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> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
> <John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> > At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I
> note that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
> ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
> function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
> a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
> fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
> I'm in the minority.
> >
> > John T
>
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Heck, John,
I'd be delighted just to see some of the designs that made it out the door,
but aren't known today; I like to snatch up old design collection books,
just in case some gem lurks ( and the 'what was he THINKING' items pop up
too). Bolger readily acknowledges that many of the older designs from the
Fifties and Sixties have been misplaced over the years.
And what a way for you to first encounter Bolger: Monhegan!
David
_____
From: John B. Trussell [mailto:John.Trussell@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:30 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
photos posted.
Well, I stirred up some controversy.
I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten with a profile drawing of
Monhegan which appeared in a "MotorBoating and Sailling" in the early 70's.
Certainly, PCB has drawn boats which are both complex and strikingly
beautiful. However, in my opinion, PCB's genius lies in his pursuit of an
idea to its logical conclusion, regardless of how offbeat that conclusion
might be. (Sometimes the result is so bizar that it is best forgotten--I
would love to see what PCB has thrown away over the years--but more often,
the result is remarkable.) Some, though not all of that, seems to have been
lost in recent years.
John T
JohnT
I'd be delighted just to see some of the designs that made it out the door,
but aren't known today; I like to snatch up old design collection books,
just in case some gem lurks ( and the 'what was he THINKING' items pop up
too). Bolger readily acknowledges that many of the older designs from the
Fifties and Sixties have been misplaced over the years.
And what a way for you to first encounter Bolger: Monhegan!
David
_____
From: John B. Trussell [mailto:John.Trussell@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:30 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
photos posted.
Well, I stirred up some controversy.
I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten with a profile drawing of
Monhegan which appeared in a "MotorBoating and Sailling" in the early 70's.
Certainly, PCB has drawn boats which are both complex and strikingly
beautiful. However, in my opinion, PCB's genius lies in his pursuit of an
idea to its logical conclusion, regardless of how offbeat that conclusion
might be. (Sometimes the result is so bizar that it is best forgotten--I
would love to see what PCB has thrown away over the years--but more often,
the result is remarkable.) Some, though not all of that, seems to have been
lost in recent years.
John T
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: David Romasco
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
photos posted.
Case in point to my previous thoughts (this is from 1957):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
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<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=423&item=2269159612&
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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I
note that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
>
> John T
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Well, I stirred up some controversy.
I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten with a profile drawing of Monhegan which appeared in a "MotorBoating and Sailling" in the early 70's. Certainly, PCB has drawn boats which are both complex and strikingly beautiful. However, in my opinion, PCB's genius lies in his pursuit of an idea to its logical conclusion, regardless of how offbeat that conclusion might be. (Sometimes the result is so bizar that it is best forgotten--I would love to see what PCB has thrown away over the years--but more often, the result is remarkable.) Some, though not all of that, seems to have been lost in recent years.
John T
JohnT
I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten with a profile drawing of Monhegan which appeared in a "MotorBoating and Sailling" in the early 70's. Certainly, PCB has drawn boats which are both complex and strikingly beautiful. However, in my opinion, PCB's genius lies in his pursuit of an idea to its logical conclusion, regardless of how offbeat that conclusion might be. (Sometimes the result is so bizar that it is best forgotten--I would love to see what PCB has thrown away over the years--but more often, the result is remarkable.) Some, though not all of that, seems to have been lost in recent years.
John T
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: David Romasco
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more photos posted.
Case in point to my previous thoughts (this is from 1957):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=423&item=2269159612&
rd=1#ebayphotohosting> &category=423&item=2269159612&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
David
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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
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> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I
note that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
>
> John T
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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
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--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, Inote that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
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> John T
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I think it depends on your perspective on Bolger. I first became aware of
Bolger's work when 'Small Boats' was originally published. He's been
designing boats since the 1950's, and many have been what you might describe
as "excessively complicated" although there is generally some excellent
reasoning behind those complications. Many of Bolger's designs were for
larger powerboats, and were certainly comparable to other contemporary
boats of their size in terms of complexity of systems. I am particularly
fond of the spare cabin lines he drew into these boats. 'Destrier' in
'Small Boats' is a good example of a smaller version.
His later excursions into what have been aptly described as "Bolger Boxes"
represent a logical progression into exploring minimalist designs. That
PB&F are now doing more complex designs (again) may simply represent that he
feels that he has pretty well 'done' the small plywood boat concept.
Certainly, designs like Tahiti and the Insolent 60 are fascinating projects.
I don't find these boats as visually appealing as his early work, as I feel
that many of the curves abovedecks are there simply for the sake of having
curves; this may represent the onset of age, as I find my opinions slipping
closer to those of L.F. Herreshoff every day (is that blasted cedar bucket
next, I wonder?).
David
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
Bolger's work when 'Small Boats' was originally published. He's been
designing boats since the 1950's, and many have been what you might describe
as "excessively complicated" although there is generally some excellent
reasoning behind those complications. Many of Bolger's designs were for
larger powerboats, and were certainly comparable to other contemporary
boats of their size in terms of complexity of systems. I am particularly
fond of the spare cabin lines he drew into these boats. 'Destrier' in
'Small Boats' is a good example of a smaller version.
His later excursions into what have been aptly described as "Bolger Boxes"
represent a logical progression into exploring minimalist designs. That
PB&F are now doing more complex designs (again) may simply represent that he
feels that he has pretty well 'done' the small plywood boat concept.
Certainly, designs like Tahiti and the Insolent 60 are fascinating projects.
I don't find these boats as visually appealing as his early work, as I feel
that many of the curves abovedecks are there simply for the sake of having
curves; this may represent the onset of age, as I find my opinions slipping
closer to those of L.F. Herreshoff every day (is that blasted cedar bucket
next, I wonder?).
David
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, Inote that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
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> John T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
I was always drawn to Bolger and his designs because they seemed
so buildable.His frank write ups about some of those designs was
also a refreshing break from the rest of the designers out there who
sometime spoke of their designs like they were creations of some God.
Equally fascinating were his endeavours toward reducing and
simplifying things down to their essence.That he backed up some of
those terribly simple designs with some rather sound arguements in
favour of them only added to the fun :-)
Yet,despite Bolgers honnest offerings for simple,quick to build
boats for"everyone", there always appeared to be someone,somewhere
out there who felt compelled to modify or"improve" on a particular
design.Just go through some of the posts here to read about some of
the proposed"improvements".Entertainment at its best :-)
I like the addition of Susanne to the design effort and suspect
that alot of the mods and available retro-fit design options now
available for some of those basic designs like the AS-
29,Birdwatcher,Micro etc....owe their existance to her efforts.In
effect,she is making available sound improvements/mods to older
designs along with the "stamp of approval" from the good offices of
PCB&F's.Surely this is a great asset for the compulsive amateur
designer/builder to satisfy their need to tinker without
compromising an otherwise worthy design?
Mind you,with 2 designers at work,you also double your chances
of perhaps not liking a particular design offering ;-) ..... there
certainly are some earlier pure Bolger designs which leave me
indifferent,no matter how hopeful Bolgers attached brief is.
Fortunately for all of us, his body of work is massive and there
appears to be little reason to think that it is about to end anytime
soon.
And finally, I would imagine it rather challenging for a designer
to satisfy both camps.That is,those who study/collect plans and
those who actually build from them. What we often get to see is the
result of a specific design commission for someone else who's
tastes,budget and intentions surely do not reflect our own.
Sincerely,
Peter"Chaqun à son gout" Lenihan
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, Inote that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from
ultra simple to excessively complicated. > Is the fancification a
function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be
a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the
fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe
I'm in the minority.
>John T.,
> John T
I was always drawn to Bolger and his designs because they seemed
so buildable.His frank write ups about some of those designs was
also a refreshing break from the rest of the designers out there who
sometime spoke of their designs like they were creations of some God.
Equally fascinating were his endeavours toward reducing and
simplifying things down to their essence.That he backed up some of
those terribly simple designs with some rather sound arguements in
favour of them only added to the fun :-)
Yet,despite Bolgers honnest offerings for simple,quick to build
boats for"everyone", there always appeared to be someone,somewhere
out there who felt compelled to modify or"improve" on a particular
design.Just go through some of the posts here to read about some of
the proposed"improvements".Entertainment at its best :-)
I like the addition of Susanne to the design effort and suspect
that alot of the mods and available retro-fit design options now
available for some of those basic designs like the AS-
29,Birdwatcher,Micro etc....owe their existance to her efforts.In
effect,she is making available sound improvements/mods to older
designs along with the "stamp of approval" from the good offices of
PCB&F's.Surely this is a great asset for the compulsive amateur
designer/builder to satisfy their need to tinker without
compromising an otherwise worthy design?
Mind you,with 2 designers at work,you also double your chances
of perhaps not liking a particular design offering ;-) ..... there
certainly are some earlier pure Bolger designs which leave me
indifferent,no matter how hopeful Bolgers attached brief is.
Fortunately for all of us, his body of work is massive and there
appears to be little reason to think that it is about to end anytime
soon.
And finally, I would imagine it rather challenging for a designer
to satisfy both camps.That is,those who study/collect plans and
those who actually build from them. What we often get to see is the
result of a specific design commission for someone else who's
tastes,budget and intentions surely do not reflect our own.
Sincerely,
Peter"Chaqun à son gout" Lenihan
On Saturday, September 11, 2004, at 05:48 PM, John B. Trussell wrote:
inspiration.
I also prefer the original, at least on paper. My preference aside, the
"fancification" is the result of a designer who believes with every
fiber of her being that her husband's revolutionary ideas about boat
design should no be relegated to the ranks of backyard boat builders or
stripped down, least-boat-needed designs.
This is a hard thing to accept. We have trained ourselves to believe
that PCB's designs ideas are justified by their simplicity and low
cost. But go back and re-read the chapter in BWAOM on Brick. Brick may
simply be a better boat, regardless of ease of construction or cost. If
Bob Wise is also to be believed, then Loose Moose II is simply a better
boat as well.
If you can't accept that a box might be a better shape for a boat, than
there's nothing more to say. But if you're willing to at least
entertain this idea, that sheet materials and sheet shapes make better
boats, that boats have been curvy only because they were built from
materials that liked being made into curvy boats, then you should be
thankful that Suzanne has come along with the willingness to explore
ideas beyond the realm of "least boat needed", and by her husband's own
words, reinvigorating his interest in producing new designs.
BTW, if sales are any indicator, than I and others who prefer the
original Birdwatcher are substantially in the minority.
YIBB,
David
>The comments concerning gender aren't worthy of this group or our
> Is the fancification a function of the influence of a different
> designer (who happens to be a woman) or a woman who is also a
> designer? And is the fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I
> prefer BW1, but maybe I'm in the minority.
>
inspiration.
I also prefer the original, at least on paper. My preference aside, the
"fancification" is the result of a designer who believes with every
fiber of her being that her husband's revolutionary ideas about boat
design should no be relegated to the ranks of backyard boat builders or
stripped down, least-boat-needed designs.
This is a hard thing to accept. We have trained ourselves to believe
that PCB's designs ideas are justified by their simplicity and low
cost. But go back and re-read the chapter in BWAOM on Brick. Brick may
simply be a better boat, regardless of ease of construction or cost. If
Bob Wise is also to be believed, then Loose Moose II is simply a better
boat as well.
If you can't accept that a box might be a better shape for a boat, than
there's nothing more to say. But if you're willing to at least
entertain this idea, that sheet materials and sheet shapes make better
boats, that boats have been curvy only because they were built from
materials that liked being made into curvy boats, then you should be
thankful that Suzanne has come along with the willingness to explore
ideas beyond the realm of "least boat needed", and by her husband's own
words, reinvigorating his interest in producing new designs.
BTW, if sales are any indicator, than I and others who prefer the
original Birdwatcher are substantially in the minority.
YIBB,
David
Frankly, I don't think this is the place to discuss what Mr Bolger does
in his personal life. He is entitled to his privacy and references to
his lady friend are sexist.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: September 11, 2004 3:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/
more photos posted.
<john.trussell@...> wrote:
simple to excessively >complicated.
And Yoko Ono destroyed the Beatles. <big grin>
Phil Bolger had hundreds of complex designs prior to his collaboration
with Susan Altenberger. I do appreciate the elegant simplicity of
form and function of a boat like Tortoise. I think that every artist
would agree that distilling form and/or function down to its spare
essence
is the pinnacle of creative achievement. And, Bolger's masterpieces are
limited to a short list no doubt, compared to 750 total designs.
Even Picasso couldn't conjure up a masterpiece on demand.
I don't think you could demonstrate that S.A. is the
*cause* that Bolger hasn't created a Micro, or a Tortoise, or a
Birdwatcher over and over again. S.A. happens to be around now,
and personally, I think she contributes to the creativity of PB&F a lot.
I think that Topaz, Champlain, or Insolent 60 come pretty close to being
masterpieces in the PB&F era.
Bolger rules!!!
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in his personal life. He is entitled to his privacy and references to
his lady friend are sexist.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: September 11, 2004 3:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/
more photos posted.
<john.trussell@...> wrote:
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I notethat since PCB >became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from ultra
simple to excessively >complicated.
And Yoko Ono destroyed the Beatles. <big grin>
Phil Bolger had hundreds of complex designs prior to his collaboration
with Susan Altenberger. I do appreciate the elegant simplicity of
form and function of a boat like Tortoise. I think that every artist
would agree that distilling form and/or function down to its spare
essence
is the pinnacle of creative achievement. And, Bolger's masterpieces are
limited to a short list no doubt, compared to 750 total designs.
Even Picasso couldn't conjure up a masterpiece on demand.
I don't think you could demonstrate that S.A. is the
*cause* that Bolger hasn't created a Micro, or a Tortoise, or a
Birdwatcher over and over again. S.A. happens to be around now,
and personally, I think she contributes to the creativity of PB&F a lot.
I think that Topaz, Champlain, or Insolent 60 come pretty close to being
masterpieces in the PB&F era.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
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<john.trussell@...> wrote:
Phil Bolger had hundreds of complex designs prior to his collaboration
with Susan Altenberger. I do appreciate the elegant simplicity of
form and function of a boat like Tortoise. I think that every artist
would agree that distilling form and/or function down to its spare essence
is the pinnacle of creative achievement. And, Bolger's masterpieces are
limited to a short list no doubt, compared to 750 total designs.
Even Picasso couldn't conjure up a masterpiece on demand.
I don't think you could demonstrate that S.A. is the
*cause* that Bolger hasn't created a Micro, or a Tortoise, or a
Birdwatcher over and over again. S.A. happens to be around now,
and personally, I think she contributes to the creativity of PB&F a lot.
I think that Topaz, Champlain, or Insolent 60 come pretty close to being
masterpieces in the PB&F era.
> At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I note that since PCB >became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from ultra simple to excessively >complicated.And Yoko Ono destroyed the Beatles. <big grin>
Phil Bolger had hundreds of complex designs prior to his collaboration
with Susan Altenberger. I do appreciate the elegant simplicity of
form and function of a boat like Tortoise. I think that every artist
would agree that distilling form and/or function down to its spare essence
is the pinnacle of creative achievement. And, Bolger's masterpieces are
limited to a short list no doubt, compared to 750 total designs.
Even Picasso couldn't conjure up a masterpiece on demand.
I don't think you could demonstrate that S.A. is the
*cause* that Bolger hasn't created a Micro, or a Tortoise, or a
Birdwatcher over and over again. S.A. happens to be around now,
and personally, I think she contributes to the creativity of PB&F a lot.
I think that Topaz, Champlain, or Insolent 60 come pretty close to being
masterpieces in the PB&F era.
At the risk of being labeled politically incorrect curmudgen, I note that since PCB became PB&F, many of the designs have gone from ultra simple to excessively complicated. Example Birdwatcher v Birdwatcher II. BW 1 was a starkly simple boat that addressed the complications of having a cockpit and cabin on a small, light boat by combining the two. Along the way, BW1 eased concerns about capsize (and capsize recovery) in a shallow draft cruiser. And the result was light enough to be towed with a small car. Genius!
BW ll adds a patent stem (to conceal an ob motor), a steel centerboard, batteries(!), and foam insulation (along with a redesigned tiller arrangement and a bigger sail plan). The resulting boat is too heavy to tow with a small car, has less interior room, and costs more to build. It may be a little faster, but I can't imagine thet the difference in speed is going to be noticeable unless you have a BW1 and a BWll sailing side by side. There are no doubt markets for both boats, but BW ll is definitely a fancified, more complicated version of BW1.
Is the fancification a function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe I'm in the minority.
John T
BW ll adds a patent stem (to conceal an ob motor), a steel centerboard, batteries(!), and foam insulation (along with a redesigned tiller arrangement and a bigger sail plan). The resulting boat is too heavy to tow with a small car, has less interior room, and costs more to build. It may be a little faster, but I can't imagine thet the difference in speed is going to be noticeable unless you have a BW1 and a BWll sailing side by side. There are no doubt markets for both boats, but BW ll is definitely a fancified, more complicated version of BW1.
Is the fancification a function of the influence of a different designer (who happens to be a woman) or a woman who is also a designer? And is the fancification a good, bad, or indifferent? I prefer BW1, but maybe I'm in the minority.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more photos posted.
> Peter Lenihan
Peter, I am also drawing from recesses of my
mind memories of an article in MAIB were Bolger
wrote about Spur vs Spur II, perhaps a year back.
I wish I could find it now. There was a period in Bolger
career were he went to Spain, to practice boat
design, and that is when he designed Spur,
very much a 'rich man's boat.' Spur II was designed
to fix that problem, and to be a boat that he
could personally afford and use, just a better boat!
And, I suspect that PCB is more proud of Spur II than
of Spur.
Changng the subject, is anybody else impressed
with the fact that he chose to bevel the attack
angle of the padles on the latest padlewheel design
he has produced? Heck, hundreds and hundreds
of padlewheel boats precede him, all with the
padles oriented radially. He figures it out that
they might work better oriented at 15 degrees
less than radial. It boggles my mind.
And, his text then digresses on how much
farther civilization might have progressed if
we would have allowed women to be engineers.
[Or...politicians? ...if women were equal?
...would we spend so much energy fighting wars
versus searching out peace?]
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> Peter LenihanPeter, I am also drawing from recesses of my
mind memories of an article in MAIB were Bolger
wrote about Spur vs Spur II, perhaps a year back.
I wish I could find it now. There was a period in Bolger
career were he went to Spain, to practice boat
design, and that is when he designed Spur,
very much a 'rich man's boat.' Spur II was designed
to fix that problem, and to be a boat that he
could personally afford and use, just a better boat!
And, I suspect that PCB is more proud of Spur II than
of Spur.
Changng the subject, is anybody else impressed
with the fact that he chose to bevel the attack
angle of the padles on the latest padlewheel design
he has produced? Heck, hundreds and hundreds
of padlewheel boats precede him, all with the
padles oriented radially. He figures it out that
they might work better oriented at 15 degrees
less than radial. It boggles my mind.
And, his text then digresses on how much
farther civilization might have progressed if
we would have allowed women to be engineers.
[Or...politicians? ...if women were equal?
...would we spend so much energy fighting wars
versus searching out peace?]
OOOOOHHH-AAARRRRRR! me Hearties, indeed!
Mind you, the thing I find most intriguing about the cover pic is "Who is the blonde in the sternsheets?"
Bill [All ready to launch his Chuck Merrell "Peach Pie" when the wind drops . . .]
Mind you, the thing I find most intriguing about the cover pic is "Who is the blonde in the sternsheets?"
Bill [All ready to launch his Chuck Merrell "Peach Pie" when the wind drops . . .]
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more photos posted.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> Nope. If you look at the picture on the front of Small Boats the
name SPUR is clearly visible on the Transom of this early,
overweight boat. Spur II is the one at Gloucester.
>
> Bill
Arrrrgh! Goddamn yer eyes Sir! but mines failing fast along with me
memory Arrrrgh Matey! Indeed,me book's stashed away with me other
treasures an so I's no choice but to submit to yer better sight an'
sense!
But as I said,the one me Hero showed ta me was the Spur,"as we know
it",ie;plywood plankin' an' all,sorta a quick-n-dirty of the jewel
on the cover of Small Boats.
Nevertheless, I stand corrected Sir William Samson,regarding the
boat on the cover and will,from now on,have to keep a warm bottle of
some of Scotlands finest fuel hidden away for the day you should
ever pass through this way and come a callin' on Windermere
whereupon I shall be holden to taking you and yours out on a
personalized tour of this particular stretch of the mighty
St.Lawrence flowing steadily pass Montreal,while we further explore
the secret messages,contained within said bottle, and gathered from
years worth of listening to the passage of time through oaken
barrels.
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who hopes he does not forget where he is going to
stash the "bottle" since his memory is slowly being crystalized with
accummulated epoxy vapours :-)...............
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
overweight boat. Spur II is the one at Gloucester.
memory Arrrrgh Matey! Indeed,me book's stashed away with me other
treasures an so I's no choice but to submit to yer better sight an'
sense!
But as I said,the one me Hero showed ta me was the Spur,"as we know
it",ie;plywood plankin' an' all,sorta a quick-n-dirty of the jewel
on the cover of Small Boats.
Nevertheless, I stand corrected Sir William Samson,regarding the
boat on the cover and will,from now on,have to keep a warm bottle of
some of Scotlands finest fuel hidden away for the day you should
ever pass through this way and come a callin' on Windermere
whereupon I shall be holden to taking you and yours out on a
personalized tour of this particular stretch of the mighty
St.Lawrence flowing steadily pass Montreal,while we further explore
the secret messages,contained within said bottle, and gathered from
years worth of listening to the passage of time through oaken
barrels.
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who hopes he does not forget where he is going to
stash the "bottle" since his memory is slowly being crystalized with
accummulated epoxy vapours :-)...............
> Nope. If you look at the picture on the front of Small Boats thename SPUR is clearly visible on the Transom of this early,
overweight boat. Spur II is the one at Gloucester.
>Arrrrgh! Goddamn yer eyes Sir! but mines failing fast along with me
> Bill
memory Arrrrgh Matey! Indeed,me book's stashed away with me other
treasures an so I's no choice but to submit to yer better sight an'
sense!
But as I said,the one me Hero showed ta me was the Spur,"as we know
it",ie;plywood plankin' an' all,sorta a quick-n-dirty of the jewel
on the cover of Small Boats.
Nevertheless, I stand corrected Sir William Samson,regarding the
boat on the cover and will,from now on,have to keep a warm bottle of
some of Scotlands finest fuel hidden away for the day you should
ever pass through this way and come a callin' on Windermere
whereupon I shall be holden to taking you and yours out on a
personalized tour of this particular stretch of the mighty
St.Lawrence flowing steadily pass Montreal,while we further explore
the secret messages,contained within said bottle, and gathered from
years worth of listening to the passage of time through oaken
barrels.
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who hopes he does not forget where he is going to
stash the "bottle" since his memory is slowly being crystalized with
accummulated epoxy vapours :-)...............
Nope. If you look at the picture on the front of Small Boats the name SPUR is clearly visible on the Transom of this early, overweight boat. Spur II is the one at Gloucester.
Bill
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:14 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more photos posted.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
I suspect what PCB has there
> the the original "Spur II". as the original "Spur" dates back
> to the 1960's. My memory are sketchy, but it was heavier,
> and much more 'gold plated'. There is a picture of it on
> the cover of one of Bolger's early books, _Small Boats_
> I think.
Ah no.....it was the original Spur,as we know it,that our Hero
showed me.The boat that is triggering your memory is/was,as David
mentions,built in Spain and was intended to replace a tall ships
long boat( I think?!) and her name was Victoria(?)......
Mind you,it is easy to see the lineage and pulling boats of a given
length will share many of the same features if they are all designed
to meet the same set of parameters,I suppose.
Any date set for your launching of your Navigator? I'm really
getting excited to see your photos of her in the water.....:-)
Peter Lenihan........
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
I suspect what PCB has there
> the the original "Spur II". as the original "Spur" dates back
> to the 1960's. My memory are sketchy, but it was heavier,
> and much more 'gold plated'. There is a picture of it on
> the cover of one of Bolger's early books, _Small Boats_
> I think.
Ah no.....it was the original Spur,as we know it,that our Hero
showed me.The boat that is triggering your memory is/was,as David
mentions,built in Spain and was intended to replace a tall ships
long boat( I think?!) and her name was Victoria(?)......
Mind you,it is easy to see the lineage and pulling boats of a given
length will share many of the same features if they are all designed
to meet the same set of parameters,I suppose.
Any date set for your launching of your Navigator? I'm really
getting excited to see your photos of her in the water.....:-)
Peter Lenihan........
Heavier indeed, as well as quite foreign; that snapshot in Small Boats of
PCB manfully plying the sweeps while trying not to sweat was taken in
Mallorca, if memory serves.....
David
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:21 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
photos posted.
the the original "Spur II". as the original "Spur" dates back
to the 1960's. My memory are sketchy, but it was heavier,
and much more 'gold plated'. There is a picture of it on
the cover of one of Bolger's early books, _Small Boats_
I think.
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PCB manfully plying the sweeps while trying not to sweat was taken in
Mallorca, if memory serves.....
David
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From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:21 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bruce Tyson's latest project- a "Spur II"/ more
photos posted.
> Peter Lenihan wrote:I am very jealous, Peter. I suspect what PCB has there
> Newport'Rhode Island, with my Micro, that when Phil and Susanne came
> by to visit,they arrived with the original Spur.After a priviledged
> on-board visit by our HERO
the the original "Spur II". as the original "Spur" dates back
to the 1960's. My memory are sketchy, but it was heavier,
and much more 'gold plated'. There is a picture of it on
the cover of one of Bolger's early books, _Small Boats_
I think.
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> Peter Lenihan wrote:I am very jealous, Peter. I suspect what PCB has there
> Newport'Rhode Island, with my Micro, that when Phil and Susanne came
> by to visit,they arrived with the original Spur.After a priviledged
> on-board visit by our HERO
the the original "Spur II". as the original "Spur" dates back
to the 1960's. My memory are sketchy, but it was heavier,
and much more 'gold plated'. There is a picture of it on
the cover of one of Bolger's early books, _Small Boats_
I think.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "hhetyson" <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
What with the
> weather now on the improve hopefully we'll be launching "Dolly
T"(15'
> Bolger "Harbinger" catboat) very soon!!
>
> The photos are posted in the
>
> Files section
> of
> Bolger4photos group
Hugo,
Thanks for the nice set of pictures.....especially that first
one....I didn't know SpurII was also available as a 6 string :-)
It is always good to see folks making the best out of a dreaded
winter climate to accomplish something useful! Your Dads boat will
undoubtably come out looking really swell and true.
I recall in 1993,while at the Woodenboat Boat Show in
Newport'Rhode Island, with my Micro, that when Phil and Susanne came
by to visit,they arrived with the original Spur.After a priviledged
on-board visit by our HERO(with Susanne doing guard-duty outside),he
invited me to take a short strole down to the end of the quay with
him whereupon lay their Spur. In quick,quite,tones,Bolger pointed
out to me all the particular elements that he believed made this
design a fine rowing craft. Sadly,I can't recall a single one of them
( you know how it is sometimes, when face to face with your HERO,how
all your senses are red-lining yet you somehow feel paralyzed?) but
I do recall there being a fair number of discrete yet highly refined
tweeks which Bolger was very proud of and which lacked in many other
rowing boats of that time. Of course, the whole boat was out of
plywood and had the appearance of a well used one at that :-).....no
spit-n-polish or "Bristol fashion" crap for our HERO,even in the
very heart of yachtsnotland,surrounded by the sights and smells of
lots-o-money masquerading as tender-loving-care and"all-
natural",there HE was,un-intimidated,un-impressed and very much
focused on the infinite and stark details small boat design.
Your Dad,and you too I hope(!) are going to get a real joy out of
using your SpurII for some really splendid recreation on the
water.Just remind your Dad that it is afterall a boat he is building
and not a temple :-)
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who very much feels like the proverbial candle being
burnt at both ends and would love to give an earfull to the idiot
who chose to limit a single day to a mere 24 hours....clearly a nice
round number like 30 woulda made a whole lotta more sense but
nooooo....the bastard!
Hi everyone,
Just got down to Port Sorell(Tasmania, Australia) for a few days
today and taken a few more photos of my father's latest project-
a "Spur II" clinker-ply fast rowing boat. Not too much progress since
last week, but my fathers put battens on the molds to pre-determine
the shape and lining off of the planks. He's already scarfed the
garboard planks. He plans to take his time-as usual!!. The original
according to Bolger was built in 85 hours -complete. It will take my
father about twice as long as this as he's a perfectionist and the
time span will be over a few months as he's got alot of other things
to do besides building boats, even though he's retired. What with the
weather now on the improve hopefully we'll be launching "Dolly T"(15'
Bolger "Harbinger" catboat) very soon!!
The photos are posted in the
Files section
of
Bolger4photos group
in the folder labelled "Tyson's Merlin,Sabre & Spur II Pics"
Hugo Tyson, at Port Sorell, Tasmania, Australia
Just got down to Port Sorell(Tasmania, Australia) for a few days
today and taken a few more photos of my father's latest project-
a "Spur II" clinker-ply fast rowing boat. Not too much progress since
last week, but my fathers put battens on the molds to pre-determine
the shape and lining off of the planks. He's already scarfed the
garboard planks. He plans to take his time-as usual!!. The original
according to Bolger was built in 85 hours -complete. It will take my
father about twice as long as this as he's a perfectionist and the
time span will be over a few months as he's got alot of other things
to do besides building boats, even though he's retired. What with the
weather now on the improve hopefully we'll be launching "Dolly T"(15'
Bolger "Harbinger" catboat) very soon!!
The photos are posted in the
Files section
of
Bolger4photos group
in the folder labelled "Tyson's Merlin,Sabre & Spur II Pics"
Hugo Tyson, at Port Sorell, Tasmania, Australia