Re: [bolger] Re: Super Brick
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for explaining the proper interpretation of my Super Brick
Challenge proposal. It seems you understood everything on my web site
very well. I appreciate your clarification and thanks for your wishes
for success!
There is another value here that you forgot to mention however ...
I plan to produce a detailed and profusely illustrated Super Brick
Construction Guide from this project. I think this resource will provide
a very good value to most contributors, especially those who cannot come
to the Philippines and sail the boat personally.
I will put this resource online free of charge for those supporters who
"meet the challenge". Everyone else can pay for access to this
information, similar to the way duckworks charges non-supporters for
access to certain portions of their web site. At least this is my
current plan ... :)
James Greene
Thanks for explaining the proper interpretation of my Super Brick
Challenge proposal. It seems you understood everything on my web site
very well. I appreciate your clarification and thanks for your wishes
for success!
There is another value here that you forgot to mention however ...
I plan to produce a detailed and profusely illustrated Super Brick
Construction Guide from this project. I think this resource will provide
a very good value to most contributors, especially those who cannot come
to the Philippines and sail the boat personally.
I will put this resource online free of charge for those supporters who
"meet the challenge". Everyone else can pay for access to this
information, similar to the way duckworks charges non-supporters for
access to certain portions of their web site. At least this is my
current plan ... :)
James Greene
>1) James Greene is not a professional boatbuilder.
> This alone would make your post pointless.
>2) James has been on this list since a long time,
> and has actively posted. I personally have benefitted
> from this. IMHO, people who give to a community,
> are "entitled" also to take something from it.
>3) James' operation is no set-up boatbuilding shop,
> but he wants to start one. What he asks for is not
> investment (i.e. the start-up money that you are talking
> about), but money for the cost of the first boat,
> that he would build without financial gain for himself
> (except some advertising benefits).
> If you want, the only ones who gain are the carpenters,
> since they would earn money to feed their families.
> (Isn't it always said, that trade is the best development
> aid?)
>4) You write: "Let them get an actual customer that will
> finance the building...". The original pledge was the form
> of a donation to the builder. James has however turned it
> around and is exactly doing what you propose:
> He is trying to find a group of customers who would pay
> for a boat and where they would get direct benefits
> from their contributions (use of the boat).
> Since he can produce at low cost, and high quality
> (he is experienced carpenter), his customers can expect
> a good value for their contributions to this project.
>
>I am in no position to comment on the feasibility (IMHO looks good),
>but I think his approach is very fair to everybody, and I wish him and
>the group good success.
>
>
>Stefan
>in Vietnam
Hi Jack or Barbara (?),
I think you're misunderstanding some things here ...
My primary goal is to create a step-by-step illustrated online building
guide for Super Brick while we are actually building it. If I can
accomplish this goal, it will give me a chance to "offer some advise on
how to handle some tricky part of a build" to everyone who builds a Super
Brick in the future.
This is exactly what you want, right?
:)
I am not a professional boat builder as you have characterized me, but I
was a carpenter for more than a decade, so I think I can handle the
construction of this boat without any problem. I only hope that the
written descriptions and photographic illustrations I produce from this
experience will be useful to someone out there -- future Super Brick
builders in particular.
You should also know that I will not use the pledged funds as startup
capital. I'm using my own personal funds for that purpose. The
contributions people send me in advance will be used only to pay for the
materials and labor for the construction of the boat itself -- not for
the cost of constructing my shop, and not for the fixtures or equipment
needed to outfit the shop.
I am simply trying to take the lead in a joint effort to get the world's
first Super Brick built soon. I'm willing to make it happens now rather
than 'maybe' or 'some day' or 'hopefully' in the future, but only if
there are enough "friendly supporters" out there for me to justify the effort.
I hope this helps to clear up your understanding of my proposal.
James Greene
I think you're misunderstanding some things here ...
My primary goal is to create a step-by-step illustrated online building
guide for Super Brick while we are actually building it. If I can
accomplish this goal, it will give me a chance to "offer some advise on
how to handle some tricky part of a build" to everyone who builds a Super
Brick in the future.
This is exactly what you want, right?
:)
I am not a professional boat builder as you have characterized me, but I
was a carpenter for more than a decade, so I think I can handle the
construction of this boat without any problem. I only hope that the
written descriptions and photographic illustrations I produce from this
experience will be useful to someone out there -- future Super Brick
builders in particular.
You should also know that I will not use the pledged funds as startup
capital. I'm using my own personal funds for that purpose. The
contributions people send me in advance will be used only to pay for the
materials and labor for the construction of the boat itself -- not for
the cost of constructing my shop, and not for the fixtures or equipment
needed to outfit the shop.
I am simply trying to take the lead in a joint effort to get the world's
first Super Brick built soon. I'm willing to make it happens now rather
than 'maybe' or 'some day' or 'hopefully' in the future, but only if
there are enough "friendly supporters" out there for me to justify the effort.
I hope this helps to clear up your understanding of my proposal.
James Greene
>Hi All -
>
> Whoa, Whoa I say.... I started this latest thread on the Super
>Brick a few weeks ago because my wife and I found the design to be an
>interesting fit for the type of cruisig we wanted to do around Florida.
>While we're saving our cash to buy plans and material I read in the Group
>that when the deign first came out it was found to be a very interesting
>one but none had been built, Well, some members put up prize money for
>the first one built. Now we are all amature builders that are just
>plain nuts over the designs of Phil Bolger and Friends (2629 strong now)
>. This is not a site for PROFESSIONAL BUILDERS unless they wish to
>offer some advise on how to handle some tricky part of a build.
>
> Now I see (and it just STICKS IN MY CRAW) that a professional
>builder in the Philipeans, complete with a set-up shop and crew of low
>paid carpenters wants all those good members that offered a prize for an
>amatures efforts to send the money to him so he could finance the
>boatbuilding in his shop.
>
> Well if this is the type of shananagans the Bolger group wants
>to support I feel we're going to lose a lot of members or another group
>will start-up called the "Phil Bolger and Friends Amature Boatbuilders
>Group".
>
> Let's keep our threads going the way we have , welcoming advise
>from professionals but not financially supporting their efforte to obtain
>start-up money. Let them get an actual customer that will finance the
>building or like the rest of us - Go to the Small Business
>Administration for money.
>
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Florida
> Professional boat builders are more than welcome, at the very leastMe too... and professional builder wannabees doubly so. (I continue
> by me.
to have daydreams about commercially producing the Insolent 60. And
yes, I know it's a mug's game....)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BARBARA SPOERING" <b.spoering@w...> wrote:
"This is not a site for PROFESSIONAL BUILDERS unless they wish to
offer some advise on how to handle some tricky part of a build."
See the home page, it says, and I quote:
"Description
Discussing, building, using Phil Bolger's boat designs and similar.
This is a spam-free, on topic group - pretty much anything boating,
design, or building related is fair game. Spammers and flamers will be
bounced off."
Professional boat builders are more than welcome, at the very least by me.
Paul
Dear Barbara,
--- "BARBARA SPOERING" <b.spoering@w...> wrote:
merits of a boat?
1) James Greene is not a professional boatbuilder.
This alone would make your post pointless.
2) James has been on this list since a long time,
and has actively posted. I personally have benefitted
from this. IMHO, people who give to a community,
are "entitled" also to take something from it.
3) James' operation is no set-up boatbuilding shop,
but he wants to start one. What he asks for is not
investment (i.e. the start-up money that you are talking
about), but money for the cost of the first boat,
that he would build without financial gain for himself
(except some advertising benefits).
If you want, the only ones who gain are the carpenters,
since they would earn money to feed their families.
(Isn't it always said, that trade is the best development
aid?)
4) You write: "Let them get an actual customer that will
finance the building...". The original pledge was the form
of a donation to the builder. James has however turned it
around and is exactly doing what you propose:
He is trying to find a group of customers who would pay
for a boat and where they would get direct benefits
from their contributions (use of the boat).
Since he can produce at low cost, and high quality
(he is experienced carpenter), his customers can expect
a good value for their contributions to this project.
I am in no position to comment on the feasibility (IMHO looks good),
but I think his approach is very fair to everybody, and I wish him and
the group good success.
Stefan
in Vietnam
--- "BARBARA SPOERING" <b.spoering@w...> wrote:
> This is not a site for PROFESSIONAL BUILDERS unless they wishWhat about their experience about designing, modifying, discussing the
> to offer some advise on how to handle some tricky part of a build.
merits of a boat?
> Now I see (and it just STICKS IN MY CRAW) that a professionalIMHO there are a few misconceptions:
> builder in the Philipeans, complete with a set-up shop and crew
> of low paid carpenters wants all those good members that offered
> a prize for an amatures efforts to send the money to him
> so he could finance the boatbuilding in his shop.
> Let's <cut> not financially supporting their efforte to obtain
> start-up money. Let them get an actual customer that will finance
> the building...
1) James Greene is not a professional boatbuilder.
This alone would make your post pointless.
2) James has been on this list since a long time,
and has actively posted. I personally have benefitted
from this. IMHO, people who give to a community,
are "entitled" also to take something from it.
3) James' operation is no set-up boatbuilding shop,
but he wants to start one. What he asks for is not
investment (i.e. the start-up money that you are talking
about), but money for the cost of the first boat,
that he would build without financial gain for himself
(except some advertising benefits).
If you want, the only ones who gain are the carpenters,
since they would earn money to feed their families.
(Isn't it always said, that trade is the best development
aid?)
4) You write: "Let them get an actual customer that will
finance the building...". The original pledge was the form
of a donation to the builder. James has however turned it
around and is exactly doing what you propose:
He is trying to find a group of customers who would pay
for a boat and where they would get direct benefits
from their contributions (use of the boat).
Since he can produce at low cost, and high quality
(he is experienced carpenter), his customers can expect
a good value for their contributions to this project.
I am in no position to comment on the feasibility (IMHO looks good),
but I think his approach is very fair to everybody, and I wish him and
the group good success.
Stefan
in Vietnam
Hi All -
Whoa, Whoa I say.... I started this latest thread on the Super Brick a few weeks ago because my wife and I found the design to be an interesting fit for the type of cruisig we wanted to do around Florida. While we're saving our cash to buy plans and material I read in the Group that when the deign first came out it was found to be a very interesting one but none had been built, Well, some members put up prize money for the first one built. Now we are all amature builders that are just plain nuts over the designs of Phil Bolger and Friends (2629 strong now) . This is not a site for PROFESSIONAL BUILDERS unless they wish to offer some advise on how to handle some tricky part of a build.
Now I see (and it just STICKS IN MY CRAW) that a professional builder in the Philipeans, complete with a set-up shop and crew of low paid carpenters wants all those good members that offered a prize for an amatures efforts to send the money to him so he could finance the boatbuilding in his shop.
Well if this is the type of shananagans the Bolger group wants to support I feel we're going to lose a lot of members or another group will start-up called the "Phil Bolger and Friends Amature Boatbuilders Group".
Let's keep our threads going the way we have , welcoming advise from professionals but not financially supporting their efforte to obtain start-up money. Let them get an actual customer that will finance the building or like the rest of us - Go to the Small Business Administration for money.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Florida
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Whoa, Whoa I say.... I started this latest thread on the Super Brick a few weeks ago because my wife and I found the design to be an interesting fit for the type of cruisig we wanted to do around Florida. While we're saving our cash to buy plans and material I read in the Group that when the deign first came out it was found to be a very interesting one but none had been built, Well, some members put up prize money for the first one built. Now we are all amature builders that are just plain nuts over the designs of Phil Bolger and Friends (2629 strong now) . This is not a site for PROFESSIONAL BUILDERS unless they wish to offer some advise on how to handle some tricky part of a build.
Now I see (and it just STICKS IN MY CRAW) that a professional builder in the Philipeans, complete with a set-up shop and crew of low paid carpenters wants all those good members that offered a prize for an amatures efforts to send the money to him so he could finance the boatbuilding in his shop.
Well if this is the type of shananagans the Bolger group wants to support I feel we're going to lose a lot of members or another group will start-up called the "Phil Bolger and Friends Amature Boatbuilders Group".
Let's keep our threads going the way we have , welcoming advise from professionals but not financially supporting their efforte to obtain start-up money. Let them get an actual customer that will finance the building or like the rest of us - Go to the Small Business Administration for money.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Florida
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, James Greene <jg6892@g...> wrote:
Cheers.
pep cruells
barcelona
> Oh, and by the way, this is not some sneaky way for me to have afree
> boat!here
>
> If I were still living in the USA I might like to own a Super Brick
> myself. It's a very attractive boat for temperate climates. But
> in the Philippines this boat would probably be too hot to sail on aOK. How much is air conditioning for a Super Brick?
> regular basis and actually enjoy it ... without air conditioning of
> course.
> Therefore we could just build it and keep it moored here (or on thewe
> beach) long enough for the sponsors to take a vacation in the
> Philippines and play with it themselves while they are here. Then
> can sell it and share the revenues in proportion to everyone'sinformation
> investment in the project.
>
> In other words, there's no free boat in it for me, but the
> we gather might be worth the investment. And a project like thiswould
> help locally by employing some poor Filipino carpenters who haveThen a Michalak Cormoran could be built by... how much?
> excellent boat building skills but no place to get paid for putting
> those skills to work.
>
> :)
>
> James Greene
Cheers.
pep cruells
barcelona
Hi Bruce - Thanks for all your info re: Super Brick. I'm writing to Phil Bolger for more information and wether or not those plans are available for plywood construction.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Florida
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Florida
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Super Brick
On 9/5/05, Susan Davis <futabachan@...> wrote:
> The chief reason why there are no Super Bricks on the water is that
> the AS-29 offers the same amenities for a similar cost, and with
> drastically superior performance.
I have done takeoffs and estimates for the construction
of both a Superbrick and an AS-29 and, though both would
be 'large' projects, by my estimate at least; the Superbrick
could be realized in about half the time of an AS29.
And, no surprise, an AS29 would be twice the boat.
Still, if sailing a Tortoise is any indicator, sailing a Superbrick
would be fun and satisfactory regardless that is doesn't
look like a traditional boat.
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On 9/5/05, Susan Davis <futabachan@...> wrote:
of both a Superbrick and an AS-29 and, though both would
be 'large' projects, by my estimate at least; the Superbrick
could be realized in about half the time of an AS29.
And, no surprise, an AS29 would be twice the boat.
Still, if sailing a Tortoise is any indicator, sailing a Superbrick
would be fun and satisfactory regardless that is doesn't
look like a traditional boat.
> The chief reason why there are no Super Bricks on the water is thatI have done takeoffs and estimates for the construction
> the AS-29 offers the same amenities for a similar cost, and with
> drastically superior performance.
of both a Superbrick and an AS-29 and, though both would
be 'large' projects, by my estimate at least; the Superbrick
could be realized in about half the time of an AS29.
And, no surprise, an AS29 would be twice the boat.
Still, if sailing a Tortoise is any indicator, sailing a Superbrick
would be fun and satisfactory regardless that is doesn't
look like a traditional boat.
Build it and... I think James' plan can succeed. My only query is
how much would it cost to ship SB from the Phillipines to an
overseas prospective owner? Put me down for a small contribution of
Aus$40.00.
James Wharram Designs use a boatbuilder in the Phillipines
http://www.andy-smith-boatworks.com/for their ethnic designs
like "Tama Moana". If the builders there are good enough for them
with their business reputation to consider then it's good enough for
me.
Graeme
how much would it cost to ship SB from the Phillipines to an
overseas prospective owner? Put me down for a small contribution of
Aus$40.00.
James Wharram Designs use a boatbuilder in the Phillipines
http://www.andy-smith-boatworks.com/for their ethnic designs
like "Tama Moana". If the builders there are good enough for them
with their business reputation to consider then it's good enough for
me.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ravenouspi" <ravenous@g...> wrote:
> I stand by my original pledge for a built Superbrick, with the
> understanding that plenty of construction photos, and photos of the
> finished interior and exterior are posted.
>
> I would love to see one built and put to use.
> It makes no sense for my waterways either, but it is a gorgeous
> monstrosity that should be built.
>
> Surely someone out there could use a unique houseboat/sailer...
>
> Rav
I stand by my original pledge for a built Superbrick, with the
understanding that plenty of construction photos, and photos of the
finished interior and exterior are posted.
I would love to see one built and put to use.
It makes no sense for my waterways either, but it is a gorgeous
monstrosity that should be built.
Surely someone out there could use a unique houseboat/sailer...
Rav
understanding that plenty of construction photos, and photos of the
finished interior and exterior are posted.
I would love to see one built and put to use.
It makes no sense for my waterways either, but it is a gorgeous
monstrosity that should be built.
Surely someone out there could use a unique houseboat/sailer...
Rav
> I'd really like to hear some thoughts on the groups feelingsI think the pledges total just shy of $1,000.
> Aloha - Jack
Look on Duckworks for info about the reward.
There has been *sooo* much written about Superbrick here
on the Yahoo group, be sure to look back in the archives
for threads on dates
3/30/05
4/12/05
5/27/05
6/21/05
7/6/05
7/22/05
7/28/05
Those are just the recent threads, much more is written
in older threads too.
Google search it too:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bolger+superbrick
> I'd really like to hear some thoughts on the groups feelings aboutThe chief reason why there are no Super Bricks on the water is that
> the various attributes of Super Brick. I'm not looking for speed,
> but lean more toward cruising capacity and capabilities.
the AS-29 offers the same amenities for a similar cost, and with
drastically superior performance. If you're charged a large amount
per foot for berthing, however, and use the boat more as a houseboat,
Super Brick might be an option.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Oh, and by the way, this is not some sneaky way for me to have a free
boat!
If I were still living in the USA I might like to own a Super Brick
myself. It's a very attractive boat for temperate climates. But here
in the Philippines this boat would probably be too hot to sail on a
regular basis and actually enjoy it ... without air conditioning of
course.
Therefore we could just build it and keep it moored here (or on the
beach) long enough for the sponsors to take a vacation in the
Philippines and play with it themselves while they are here. Then we
can sell it and share the revenues in proportion to everyone's
investment in the project.
In other words, there's no free boat in it for me, but the information
we gather might be worth the investment. And a project like this would
help locally by employing some poor Filipino carpenters who have
excellent boat building skills but no place to get paid for putting
those skills to work.
:)
James Greene
boat!
If I were still living in the USA I might like to own a Super Brick
myself. It's a very attractive boat for temperate climates. But here
in the Philippines this boat would probably be too hot to sail on a
regular basis and actually enjoy it ... without air conditioning of
course.
Therefore we could just build it and keep it moored here (or on the
beach) long enough for the sponsors to take a vacation in the
Philippines and play with it themselves while they are here. Then we
can sell it and share the revenues in proportion to everyone's
investment in the project.
In other words, there's no free boat in it for me, but the information
we gather might be worth the investment. And a project like this would
help locally by employing some poor Filipino carpenters who have
excellent boat building skills but no place to get paid for putting
those skills to work.
:)
James Greene
On Sep 5, 2005, at 21:54, James Greene wrote:
> Given the fact that I'm living in the Philippines and will soon have a
> new (but rustic) boat building shop where I could build this boat, USD
> $750 might be enough money for all the materials and labor to build it
> -- the hull anyways.
>
> I doubt that the old offer still stands, but if enough of you felt like
> getting together and sponsoring my Filipino carpenters to build the
> first Super Brick under my direction (I'm a skilled finish carpenter by
> the way) it won't cost you any more than materials and labor. My labor
> is free of course, I just need to cover the cost of my employees, which
> isn't very much.
>
> And of course I will gladly document its construction profusely on the
> web, with loads of digital photos and verbal explanations of what's
> being done or shown in the photos. After all, this would be our first
> boat to be built in the new "factory".
>
> Just please don't you all rush to send me your money immediately, okay?
>
> :)
>
> James Greene
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2005, at 02:41, Harry James wrote:
>
>> To my knowledge nobody has built a Super Brick, lots of people have
>> wished that somebody would. You could be that person!!
>>
>> A couple of years ago members of this group pledged individual
>> donations
>> to the first builder to complete one. I think the amount settled out
>> to
>> around $750, probably back in the files somewhere.
Given the fact that I'm living in the Philippines and will soon have a
new (but rustic) boat building shop where I could build this boat, USD
$750 might be enough money for all the materials and labor to build it
-- the hull anyways.
I doubt that the old offer still stands, but if enough of you felt like
getting together and sponsoring my Filipino carpenters to build the
first Super Brick under my direction (I'm a skilled finish carpenter by
the way) it won't cost you any more than materials and labor. My labor
is free of course, I just need to cover the cost of my employees, which
isn't very much.
And of course I will gladly document its construction profusely on the
web, with loads of digital photos and verbal explanations of what's
being done or shown in the photos. After all, this would be our first
boat to be built in the new "factory".
Just please don't you all rush to send me your money immediately, okay?
:)
James Greene
new (but rustic) boat building shop where I could build this boat, USD
$750 might be enough money for all the materials and labor to build it
-- the hull anyways.
I doubt that the old offer still stands, but if enough of you felt like
getting together and sponsoring my Filipino carpenters to build the
first Super Brick under my direction (I'm a skilled finish carpenter by
the way) it won't cost you any more than materials and labor. My labor
is free of course, I just need to cover the cost of my employees, which
isn't very much.
And of course I will gladly document its construction profusely on the
web, with loads of digital photos and verbal explanations of what's
being done or shown in the photos. After all, this would be our first
boat to be built in the new "factory".
Just please don't you all rush to send me your money immediately, okay?
:)
James Greene
On Sep 5, 2005, at 02:41, Harry James wrote:
> To my knowledge nobody has built a Super Brick, lots of people have
> wished that somebody would. You could be that person!!
>
> A couple of years ago members of this group pledged individual
> donations
> to the first builder to complete one. I think the amount settled out to
> around $750, probably back in the files somewhere.
Hi Harry -
Sorry to hear that noone has built the Super Brick" but $750.00 is a lot of encouragement.
I'd really like to hear some thoughts on the groups feelings about the various attributes of Super Brick. I'm not looking for speed, but lean more toward cruising capacity and capabilities. I like too compare her to Bill Gardens wonderful "Oyster" which appears on page 86 of his bookYacht Designs II. Though 4' shorter and obviously not as good a sailor (?) Super Brick contains everything that Oyster does and being in the Bolger tradition is a much easier and less expensive build while still offering the same amount of pleasure. I'd love to do the Intercoastal up to New Yory in her.
Aloha - Jack
Sorry to hear that noone has built the Super Brick" but $750.00 is a lot of encouragement.
I'd really like to hear some thoughts on the groups feelings about the various attributes of Super Brick. I'm not looking for speed, but lean more toward cruising capacity and capabilities. I like too compare her to Bill Gardens wonderful "Oyster" which appears on page 86 of his bookYacht Designs II. Though 4' shorter and obviously not as good a sailor (?) Super Brick contains everything that Oyster does and being in the Bolger tradition is a much easier and less expensive build while still offering the same amount of pleasure. I'd love to do the Intercoastal up to New Yory in her.
Aloha - Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry James
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Super Brick
To my knowledge nobody has built a Super Brick, lots of people have
wished that somebody would. You could be that person!!
A couple of years ago members of this group pledged individual donations
to the first builder to complete one. I think the amount settled out to
around $750, probably back in the files somewhere.
HJ
John Spoering wrote:
>Hi All --
>
> Are there any Super Brick builders out there ???.
>
> I'm very interested in building one for sailing around the South
>Florida area and would like to hear from any builders as to
>construction and sailing experiences. I've seen 2 different rig's
>illustrated. One a yawl rig and the original in "30 Odd Boats" with
>the single Lateen rig. Any thoughts ? Any sailing experience in
>rough water, Did you stick to the front opening window or make a
>change to something like the Wiley
>Window ?
>
> I look forward to any help or ideas.
>
> Aloha - Jack Spoering
>
>
>
>
>
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To my knowledge nobody has built a Super Brick, lots of people have
wished that somebody would. You could be that person!!
A couple of years ago members of this group pledged individual donations
to the first builder to complete one. I think the amount settled out to
around $750, probably back in the files somewhere.
HJ
John Spoering wrote:
wished that somebody would. You could be that person!!
A couple of years ago members of this group pledged individual donations
to the first builder to complete one. I think the amount settled out to
around $750, probably back in the files somewhere.
HJ
John Spoering wrote:
>Hi All --
>
> Are there any Super Brick builders out there ???.
>
> I'm very interested in building one for sailing around the South
>Florida area and would like to hear from any builders as to
>construction and sailing experiences. I've seen 2 different rig's
>illustrated. One a yawl rig and the original in "30 Odd Boats" with
>the single Lateen rig. Any thoughts ? Any sailing experience in
>rough water, Did you stick to the front opening window or make a
>change to something like the Wiley
>Window ?
>
> I look forward to any help or ideas.
>
> Aloha - Jack Spoering
>
>
>
>
>
Hi All --
Are there any Super Brick builders out there ???.
I'm very interested in building one for sailing around the South
Florida area and would like to hear from any builders as to
construction and sailing experiences. I've seen 2 different rig's
illustrated. One a yawl rig and the original in "30 Odd Boats" with
the single Lateen rig. Any thoughts ? Any sailing experience in
rough water, Did you stick to the front opening window or make a
change to something like the Wiley
Window ?
I look forward to any help or ideas.
Aloha - Jack Spoering
Are there any Super Brick builders out there ???.
I'm very interested in building one for sailing around the South
Florida area and would like to hear from any builders as to
construction and sailing experiences. I've seen 2 different rig's
illustrated. One a yawl rig and the original in "30 Odd Boats" with
the single Lateen rig. Any thoughts ? Any sailing experience in
rough water, Did you stick to the front opening window or make a
change to something like the Wiley
Window ?
I look forward to any help or ideas.
Aloha - Jack Spoering
I am interested in building a Super Brick. I have read what Phil Bolger
said about the the design in "Boats with an Open Mind". Except for this and
the views of the Super Brick at
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/index.htmland a short message string on
this egroup, I can find little information on the Super Brick. I have
written to Phil Bolger for more information but while I am waiting I thought
that I would inquire if anyone has any additional information, opinions, or
experience on the Super Brick. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.
Michael Surface (you can't sink if you are on the surface :-)
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said about the the design in "Boats with an Open Mind". Except for this and
the views of the Super Brick at
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/index.htmland a short message string on
this egroup, I can find little information on the Super Brick. I have
written to Phil Bolger for more information but while I am waiting I thought
that I would inquire if anyone has any additional information, opinions, or
experience on the Super Brick. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.
Michael Surface (you can't sink if you are on the surface :-)
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