Re: [bolger] Re: Instantboat sails
I guess it's about time for me to barge in here with my two cents. As a matter of fact I'd rate Bohndell about as high as any sailmaker I've ever dealt with. They built my Chbacco sails and were kind enogh to leach plank the sailcloth just to give it that classic look. Add to that, sewing in reef lines, delivering on time and all for a better price than I could get from most other sailmakers. It's nice to know that a sailmaker understands even the terms of a gaff sail anymore. The one thing I was surpised about was that they didn't have stock plans for a Chebacco sail. I faxed them Bolger's drawings though and they got it right.
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> As I remember, there was little or no difference inCertainly. What really was crossing my mind is
> getting the sail through Payson or direct
> from Bohndell, so why not support the man
> who helped make instant boats a reality?
that I don't trust a sailmaker, who 99.9% of the time
is making sails for plastic Marconi rig sloops.
What I was guessing is that Bohndell has some
appreciation of Bolger and how a sprit leg'o'mutten
might be different than a sloop main on an aluminum mast.
And, there is a likelyhood that I want to eventually
buy a professional made Chinese Gaff sail, and
how many sailmakers can say that they have detailed
and cut one of those before?
My first project, Bolger Brick "Tetard," had a nice Bohndell sail ordered through Payson, a
gift from my father to help me out of his garage a little faster, I suspect. If Lincoln Ross is
listening, he can tell you how it's held up after six years.
As I remember, there was little or no difference in getting the sail through Payson or direct
from Bohndell, so why not support the man who helped make instant boats a reality?
gift from my father to help me out of his garage a little faster, I suspect. If Lincoln Ross is
listening, he can tell you how it's held up after six years.
As I remember, there was little or no difference in getting the sail through Payson or direct
from Bohndell, so why not support the man who helped make instant boats a reality?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Kreamer" <kreamer@a...> wrote:
> Try: Bohndell Sails, US Route 1, Rockport, ME. 207-236-3549
Try: Bohndell Sails, US Route 1, Rockport, ME. 207-236-3549
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From: Susan Davis [mailto:futabachan@...]
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To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Instantboat sails
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From: Susan Davis [mailto:futabachan@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:12
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Instantboat sails
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> Does anybody know where Dynamite
> Payson buys his sails that he resells
> on his website?
Bohndell Sails, of Spruce Head?, Maine. I'll confirm the address when
I get home; _Shrike_'s sails are from Payson.
-- Sue --
(BTW, the Peterborough Mouse^H^H^H^Hessabout last weekend was insanely
great; photos of it and _Shrike_ with her masts standing coming soon)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
I get home; _Shrike_'s sails are from Payson.
-- Sue --
(BTW, the Peterborough Mouse^H^H^H^Hessabout last weekend was insanely
great; photos of it and _Shrike_ with her masts standing coming soon)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> Does anybody know where DynamiteBohndell Sails, of Spruce Head?, Maine. I'll confirm the address when
> Payson buys his sails that he resells
> on his website?
I get home; _Shrike_'s sails are from Payson.
-- Sue --
(BTW, the Peterborough Mouse^H^H^H^Hessabout last weekend was insanely
great; photos of it and _Shrike_ with her masts standing coming soon)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Bruce, I took your link to see the pictures but stayed to read the
article. A couple of minor points, not much to do with boating: 1)the
story about Ethel Zimmerman and 2)what Mark had to do with the fuel-
pump switch -- no doubt an uncorrected artefact of OCR. Reminds me of
the famous newspaper article saying that Queen Victoria passed over
the new London Bridge, except they got "passed" wrong.
Howard
Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
article. A couple of minor points, not much to do with boating: 1)the
story about Ethel Zimmerman and 2)what Mark had to do with the fuel-
pump switch -- no doubt an uncorrected artefact of OCR. Reminds me of
the famous newspaper article saying that Queen Victoria passed over
the new London Bridge, except they got "passed" wrong.
Howard
Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> Sneakeasy was designed by Bolger as a
> modernized Baby Bootlegger, orginally
> designed by George Crouch circa 1924.
>
> That boat had a inboard motor.
>
>http://www.seqair.com/Other/Bootlegger/Bootlegger.html
For what my opinion is worth, I'd agree with Harry.
I'd think that PB&F would find your experiment
worthwhile and the results very interesting.
Don't forget to send PB&F photos.
Phil Smith
--- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
I'd think that PB&F would find your experiment
worthwhile and the results very interesting.
Don't forget to send PB&F photos.
Phil Smith
--- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> Jeff
>
> You have built a stock Sneakeasy and have powered it
> within the
> horsepower parameters. What you have done different
> is revived an
> obscure idea that simplifies drive trains and is
> almost a hundred years
> old and made it work. From what I get out of his
> books, that is just the
> sort of thing that would appeal to Mr Bolger.
>
> You have lost the shallow draft capability , but
> everything is a compromise.
>
> HJ
>
>
> Sneakeasy was designed by Bolger as a<quibble>
> modernized Baby Bootlegger, orginally
> designed by George Crouch circa 1924.
IIRC, in response to a Small Journal reader's request for a
simplified Baby Bootlegger, Bolger suggested the Sneakeasy which was
already a completed design. The original request was for a
(relatively) high speed no-wake canal cruiser.
</quibble>
Bohndell Sailmakers in Maine, at least that who it was five years ago.
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From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: [bolger] Instantboat sails
> Does anybody know where Dynamite
> Payson buys his sails that he resells
> on his website?
>
> I see that he sells a sail described as
> "Birdwatcher" but without much description.
>
> I was dreaming of making a land yacht
> 'art car' for Burning Man next year, with
> the geometry taken from Bolger's _Ice
> Boat For Two_, and I notice that the
> Ice Boat gunter sprit sail is very similar
> in size to Birdwatcher.
>
> As the 'art car' sail would be a one use
> thing, it would be nice to have a Birdwatcher
> sail to salvage from the project when done.
>
>
>
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Does anybody know where Dynamite
Payson buys his sails that he resells
on his website?
I see that he sells a sail described as
"Birdwatcher" but without much description.
I was dreaming of making a land yacht
'art car' for Burning Man next year, with
the geometry taken from Bolger's _Ice
Boat For Two_, and I notice that the
Ice Boat gunter sprit sail is very similar
in size to Birdwatcher.
As the 'art car' sail would be a one use
thing, it would be nice to have a Birdwatcher
sail to salvage from the project when done.
Payson buys his sails that he resells
on his website?
I see that he sells a sail described as
"Birdwatcher" but without much description.
I was dreaming of making a land yacht
'art car' for Burning Man next year, with
the geometry taken from Bolger's _Ice
Boat For Two_, and I notice that the
Ice Boat gunter sprit sail is very similar
in size to Birdwatcher.
As the 'art car' sail would be a one use
thing, it would be nice to have a Birdwatcher
sail to salvage from the project when done.
Sneakeasy was designed by Bolger as a
modernized Baby Bootlegger, orginally
designed by George Crouch circa 1924.
That boat had a inboard motor.
http://www.seqair.com/Other/Bootlegger/Bootlegger.html
modernized Baby Bootlegger, orginally
designed by George Crouch circa 1924.
That boat had a inboard motor.
http://www.seqair.com/Other/Bootlegger/Bootlegger.html
Jeff
You have built a stock Sneakeasy and have powered it within the
horsepower parameters. What you have done different is revived an
obscure idea that simplifies drive trains and is almost a hundred years
old and made it work. From what I get out of his books, that is just the
sort of thing that would appeal to Mr Bolger.
You have lost the shallow draft capability , but everything is a compromise.
HJ
You have built a stock Sneakeasy and have powered it within the
horsepower parameters. What you have done different is revived an
obscure idea that simplifies drive trains and is almost a hundred years
old and made it work. From what I get out of his books, that is just the
sort of thing that would appeal to Mr Bolger.
You have lost the shallow draft capability , but everything is a compromise.
HJ
>As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is not
>fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
>certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
>the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/118/sort/1/size/I have seen that photo. I had download the entire write up and photos from the US Patent Office site for study. I was hoping since my clam shells are significantly smaller I could get by with a hand lever and I still have hopes for that idea to work.
>medium/cat/511/page/
>Out of curiosity, why did you shorten the tails?By the tails, I'm assuming the Drake Tails as designed by Mr. Bolger. They are actually the proper length but I needed some height for the seat back and to keep following seas out of the cockpit since there was no slop well to self drain. What I did was keep the sheer line running aft another foot before drawing the slanted line on the drake tails. Trying to get them to pointed made them look very odd so I opted for the same angle as Mr. Bloger designed. This makes the slant terminate about 6 inches higher than the original. When I convert it back to an outboard, I'll snap a line where the plans show for the drake tails and cut them down to the proper size and will have to rebuild the top decking. Again, not a big deal and should only be a few hours of work. For now the added height is for safety.
>How did the engine and exhaust cooling work out?The exhaust cooling works great. Under way I had a bit of a problem with the pump losing it's prime. This only happen when I would run across a boat wake at an angle. I'd have to slow down so it could re-prime. I drilled the holes in the bronze inlet strainer out from 1/8" to 3/16" and that solved the problem. You could instantly tell when there was no water as the exhaust tone would change from a nice well muffled gurgle to sounding a bit like a Harley Davidson.
Jeff
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On Sep 15, 2004, at 7:19 AM, Jeff wrote:
I realize I am a bit late with this. I also realize you probably
already know all this.
But ... since you are experimenting I thought the following URL might
be of interest.
http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/118/sort/1/size/
medium/cat/511/page/
Note the hydraulically operated clam shells (bottom right).
Since you are modifying the clam shells, note the clam shell lay out at
the bottom
of the page.
Out of curiosity, why did you shorten the tails?
How did the engine and exhaust cooling work out?
hal
> I'll be modifying the clam shells tonight by adding another 2 inchesJeff,
> to the control arms for more leverage As for the clam shells
> themselves, I think they may be too long and don't create a true 90
> degree "L" when closed. This causes the prop wash to not get fully
> directed to the outside of the prop circle and cause more pressure to
> build up, hence more power needed to get them closed. I'm going to
> trim them down in length about 1 1/2 inches tonight and try it out
> again this weekend.
I realize I am a bit late with this. I also realize you probably
already know all this.
But ... since you are experimenting I thought the following URL might
be of interest.
http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/118/sort/1/size/
medium/cat/511/page/
Note the hydraulically operated clam shells (bottom right).
Since you are modifying the clam shells, note the clam shell lay out at
the bottom
of the page.
Out of curiosity, why did you shorten the tails?
How did the engine and exhaust cooling work out?
hal
>As you say your modifications are easily reversible to the original plan. I'm sure he'd >be interested in your photos. Its a pity some of them weren't a bit clearer or closer.I'll be modifying the clam shells tonight by adding another 2 inches to the control arms for more leverage As for the clam shells themselves, I think they may be too long and don't create a true 90 degree "L" when closed. This causes the prop wash to not get fully directed to the outside of the prop circle and cause more pressure to build up, hence more power needed to get them closed. I'm going to trim them down in length about 1 1/2 inches tonight and try it out again this weekend.
The fun of experimentation!
I'll take more close up photos with better lighting.
Jeff
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I don't think Bolger would mind too much, he's always been fond of experimenting with different means of propulsion. I think his main concerns are when people modify the hulls he's designed by increasing the beam, adding too much weight with large cabins etc. As you say your modifications are easily reversible to the original plan. I'm sure he'd be interested in your photos. Its a pity some of them weren't a bit clearer or closer.
He's currently designing me a "Torpedo-stern" runnabout based on the "Snow Leopard" design from his book "BWAOM" and her length is 26', about the same as a "Sneakeasy" but its a far more complicated design, being round bottomed, strip-planked sheathed inside and out with fibreglass/dynel and epoxy and having 6' 6" beam and designed to do speeds in excess of 30+ Knots with moderate power from a large 4 cylinder to mid sized 6 cylinder (V6 most likely) automobile engine with ducted radiator cooling and a dry exhaust..
She'll have a retractable propeller option on the plans as well as(I hope) a conventional inboard installation option for a more simple approach.
I've yet to see any drawings so far and its been about 18 months since I commissioned the design from him after a very pleasant , unexpected and long phone call. I spoken to him earlier this year and as far as I know some progress has been made on the design, so I'm hoping to see some results before too long. I expect he's really busy with alot of other design projects too, even with the help of his wife, Sussane.
Maybe you could ask him his thoughts on the suitability of a 'Kitchen' rudder for the "Wyoming" when/if you send him some photos.
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
boatbuilding@...wrote:
Long story short, I erred in tightening down a ring clamp by
letting it twist slightly as I apply torque to the screw and
then should have only hand tightened heavy SS the dust cap/
seal assembly rather than adding another 1/2 turn with a vice
grip pliers.
I essentially created a situation where the ring clamp was off
center by a few thousandths of an inch and the dust cap
assembly was tightened down a few thousands further than was
needed so they rubbed together. Eventually the grease got warm
enough to melt out leaving metal to metal contact.
No serious damage was done to any parts other than a good
scoring of the dust cover. I'll need to replace the seal and
probably should replace the thrust bearing just for comfort
sake since the entire thing got hot enough to darken the grease.
As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is not
fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
Jeff
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He's currently designing me a "Torpedo-stern" runnabout based on the "Snow Leopard" design from his book "BWAOM" and her length is 26', about the same as a "Sneakeasy" but its a far more complicated design, being round bottomed, strip-planked sheathed inside and out with fibreglass/dynel and epoxy and having 6' 6" beam and designed to do speeds in excess of 30+ Knots with moderate power from a large 4 cylinder to mid sized 6 cylinder (V6 most likely) automobile engine with ducted radiator cooling and a dry exhaust..
She'll have a retractable propeller option on the plans as well as(I hope) a conventional inboard installation option for a more simple approach.
I've yet to see any drawings so far and its been about 18 months since I commissioned the design from him after a very pleasant , unexpected and long phone call. I spoken to him earlier this year and as far as I know some progress has been made on the design, so I'm hoping to see some results before too long. I expect he's really busy with alot of other design projects too, even with the help of his wife, Sussane.
Maybe you could ask him his thoughts on the suitability of a 'Kitchen' rudder for the "Wyoming" when/if you send him some photos.
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
boatbuilding@...wrote:
Long story short, I erred in tightening down a ring clamp by
letting it twist slightly as I apply torque to the screw and
then should have only hand tightened heavy SS the dust cap/
seal assembly rather than adding another 1/2 turn with a vice
grip pliers.
I essentially created a situation where the ring clamp was off
center by a few thousandths of an inch and the dust cap
assembly was tightened down a few thousands further than was
needed so they rubbed together. Eventually the grease got warm
enough to melt out leaving metal to metal contact.
No serious damage was done to any parts other than a good
scoring of the dust cover. I'll need to replace the seal and
probably should replace the thrust bearing just for comfort
sake since the entire thing got hot enough to darken the grease.
As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is not
fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
Jeff
> JeffBolger rules!!!
>
> Thanks for the posts on your efforts, I like the
> experimentation. What was the thrust bearing error?
>
> I would think that some photo's of this project would be
> ideal
> candidates for forwarding to Mr. Bolger per previous post.
>
> HJ
>
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> As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is notWithout a doubt, he is used to people tinkering with
> fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
> certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
> the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
> Jeff
his designs! Send him photos, and a letter.
Long story short, I erred in tightening down a ring clamp by
letting it twist slightly as I apply torque to the screw and
then should have only hand tightened heavy SS the dust cap/
seal assembly rather than adding another 1/2 turn with a vice
grip pliers.
I essentially created a situation where the ring clamp was off
center by a few thousandths of an inch and the dust cap
assembly was tightened down a few thousands further than was
needed so they rubbed together. Eventually the grease got warm
enough to melt out leaving metal to metal contact.
No serious damage was done to any parts other than a good
scoring of the dust cover. I'll need to replace the seal and
probably should replace the thrust bearing just for comfort
sake since the entire thing got hot enough to darken the grease.
As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is not
fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
Jeff
letting it twist slightly as I apply torque to the screw and
then should have only hand tightened heavy SS the dust cap/
seal assembly rather than adding another 1/2 turn with a vice
grip pliers.
I essentially created a situation where the ring clamp was off
center by a few thousandths of an inch and the dust cap
assembly was tightened down a few thousands further than was
needed so they rubbed together. Eventually the grease got warm
enough to melt out leaving metal to metal contact.
No serious damage was done to any parts other than a good
scoring of the dust cover. I'll need to replace the seal and
probably should replace the thrust bearing just for comfort
sake since the entire thing got hot enough to darken the grease.
As for Mr. Bolger, I'm a bit apprehensive as I know he is not
fond of people playing with his designs and my Sneakeasy is
certainly off the beaten path. Does any think he'd take it in
the spirit I intended? I'd enjoy sending him some photos.
Jeff
> Jeff
>
> Thanks for the posts on your efforts, I like the
> experimentation. What was the thrust bearing error?
>
> I would think that some photo's of this project would be
> ideal
> candidates for forwarding to Mr. Bolger per previous post.
>
> HJ
>
Jeff
Thanks for the posts on your efforts, I like the experimentation. What
was the thrust bearing error?
I would think that some photo's of this project would be ideal
candidates for forwarding to Mr. Bolger per previous post.
HJ
Jeff wrote:
Thanks for the posts on your efforts, I like the experimentation. What
was the thrust bearing error?
I would think that some photo's of this project would be ideal
candidates for forwarding to Mr. Bolger per previous post.
HJ
Jeff wrote:
>One of the things I was trying out is the kitchen rudder concept. Not that it's supposed to work well, just that I wanted to try it on a power sharpie to see what the handicap of speed would be with the drag penalties especially with foil shaped clam shells.
>
>The engine is actually the gen-set motor that will be installed on the Wyo so it'll be removed after next season. I built the Sneakeasy with the outboard transom installed so it'll be a matter of pulling the engine and drive gear along with the two extra bulkheads for the engine compartment. The bottom of rear seat is actually the slop well as designed by Mr. Bolger. With a few weekends of work she'll become a standard Sneakeasy with an outboard. For now it's just fun to play with the kitchen rudder concept.
>
>What impresses me so far is the amount of effort it takes to close the clam shells to reverse, even at idle. A bigger prop and engine would certainly require hydraulics or at minimum some sort of 10 to 1 crank ratio.
>
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
One of the things I was trying out is the kitchen rudder concept. Not that it's supposed to work well, just that I wanted to try it on a power sharpie to see what the handicap of speed would be with the drag penalties especially with foil shaped clam shells.
The engine is actually the gen-set motor that will be installed on the Wyo so it'll be removed after next season. I built the Sneakeasy with the outboard transom installed so it'll be a matter of pulling the engine and drive gear along with the two extra bulkheads for the engine compartment. The bottom of rear seat is actually the slop well as designed by Mr. Bolger. With a few weekends of work she'll become a standard Sneakeasy with an outboard. For now it's just fun to play with the kitchen rudder concept.
What impresses me so far is the amount of effort it takes to close the clam shells to reverse, even at idle. A bigger prop and engine would certainly require hydraulics or at minimum some sort of 10 to 1 crank ratio.
Jeff
The engine is actually the gen-set motor that will be installed on the Wyo so it'll be removed after next season. I built the Sneakeasy with the outboard transom installed so it'll be a matter of pulling the engine and drive gear along with the two extra bulkheads for the engine compartment. The bottom of rear seat is actually the slop well as designed by Mr. Bolger. With a few weekends of work she'll become a standard Sneakeasy with an outboard. For now it's just fun to play with the kitchen rudder concept.
What impresses me so far is the amount of effort it takes to close the clam shells to reverse, even at idle. A bigger prop and engine would certainly require hydraulics or at minimum some sort of 10 to 1 crank ratio.
Jeff
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From: Hugo Tyson
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sneakeasy Launched
That's a very interesting variation on a "Sneakeasy".
I'm sure general Lord Kitchener would approve of the rudder!!
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
I finally got around to launching the Sneakeasy last week just
before I headed off to the Lake Powell messabout. I forgot to post
a notice but I did get the photos uploaded to my site. She's
possible the first inboard Sneakeasy built. If anyone is interested
you can see them at
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor/
The Lake Powell messabout went over well but the Sneakeasy had one
minor problem that turned out to be operator error when I assembled
the thrust bearing. Chuck of the Duckworks fame was kind enough to
tow me back to the dock. A few more tweaks and adjustments and I'm
sure I'll have a reliable cruiser in the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
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Bolger rules!!!
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- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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That's a very interesting variation on a "Sneakeasy".
I'm sure general Lord Kitchener would approve of the rudder!!
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
I finally got around to launching the Sneakeasy last week just
before I headed off to the Lake Powell messabout. I forgot to post
a notice but I did get the photos uploaded to my site. She's
possible the first inboard Sneakeasy built. If anyone is interested
you can see them at
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor/
The Lake Powell messabout went over well but the Sneakeasy had one
minor problem that turned out to be operator error when I assembled
the thrust bearing. Chuck of the Duckworks fame was kind enough to
tow me back to the dock. A few more tweaks and adjustments and I'm
sure I'll have a reliable cruiser in the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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I'm sure general Lord Kitchener would approve of the rudder!!
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
I finally got around to launching the Sneakeasy last week just
before I headed off to the Lake Powell messabout. I forgot to post
a notice but I did get the photos uploaded to my site. She's
possible the first inboard Sneakeasy built. If anyone is interested
you can see them at
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor/
The Lake Powell messabout went over well but the Sneakeasy had one
minor problem that turned out to be operator error when I assembled
the thrust bearing. Chuck of the Duckworks fame was kind enough to
tow me back to the dock. A few more tweaks and adjustments and I'm
sure I'll have a reliable cruiser in the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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I finally got around to launching the Sneakeasy last week just
before I headed off to the Lake Powell messabout. I forgot to post
a notice but I did get the photos uploaded to my site. She's
possible the first inboard Sneakeasy built. If anyone is interested
you can see them at
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor/
The Lake Powell messabout went over well but the Sneakeasy had one
minor problem that turned out to be operator error when I assembled
the thrust bearing. Chuck of the Duckworks fame was kind enough to
tow me back to the dock. A few more tweaks and adjustments and I'm
sure I'll have a reliable cruiser in the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
before I headed off to the Lake Powell messabout. I forgot to post
a notice but I did get the photos uploaded to my site. She's
possible the first inboard Sneakeasy built. If anyone is interested
you can see them at
http://www.4dw.net/cosailor/
The Lake Powell messabout went over well but the Sneakeasy had one
minor problem that turned out to be operator error when I assembled
the thrust bearing. Chuck of the Duckworks fame was kind enough to
tow me back to the dock. A few more tweaks and adjustments and I'm
sure I'll have a reliable cruiser in the Sneakeasy.
Jeff