Re: Texas Micro
Sounds like he should knock on the door or report him to BPS ( Bolger
protective services)
Keep us posted if you find out more info.
Or if you want to sail canyon lake, I should have my motor in a month
and I'll be ready for anything.
A2
protective services)
Keep us posted if you find out more info.
Or if you want to sail canyon lake, I should have my motor in a month
and I'll be ready for anything.
A2
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >I have a micro in San Marcos, which is just south of Marble Falls.
> >
> >Where did you hear that someone in Marble Falls has one?????
>
> Jay Hockenberry is a friend of mine and he and wife Julia and daughter
> Clara are moving to Marble Falls as he has been transferred.
>
> He said that there is a micro-like boat in a driveway a few doors
down from
> the house they're buying. If it's a clue, it's a little dilapidated, he
> said.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
>I have a micro in San Marcos, which is just south of Marble Falls.Jay Hockenberry is a friend of mine and he and wife Julia and daughter
>
>Where did you hear that someone in Marble Falls has one?????
Clara are moving to Marble Falls as he has been transferred.
He said that there is a micro-like boat in a driveway a few doors down from
the house they're buying. If it's a clue, it's a little dilapidated, he
said.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
Jason, I agree--our energy and farm policies are (to
be charitable) misguided. My only point, to the
extent I had one, is that nothing is free; and that to
maintian a mechanized society will impose some costs.
Your Micro has the navigator upgrade, right?
When do you plan to launch her?
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be charitable) misguided. My only point, to the
extent I had one, is that nothing is free; and that to
maintian a mechanized society will impose some costs.
Your Micro has the navigator upgrade, right?
When do you plan to launch her?
> Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large__________________________________________________
> scale, but if we
> didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the
> prices on corn for no
> apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land
> we have could
> be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants
> that are
> viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut
> and a host of
> other crops. Seems like a system could be developed
> to shift over
> abundent crops into oil production from season to
> season as supply,
> demand and the market see fit and still keep the
> farmers in business
> and keep our noses out of countries that love to
> hate our (mostly
> stupid) policies.
>
> I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles
> over ANWR and oil
> exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power
> sources we could
> come up with or realize something viable. or heaven
> forbid public
> transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a
> bike to the
> store/work.
>
> Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these
> days, lots of
> cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get
> the finish
> decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a
> box of ss bolts
> for the lexan too.
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I have a micro in San Marcos, which is just south of Marble Falls.
Where did you hear that someone in Marble Falls has one?????
Where did you hear that someone in Marble Falls has one?????
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> OK. Who has a Bolger boat in Marble Falls, Texas?
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
> Are there really power boats that get 20 miles per gallon?The 'electric launch' Lily, per the PB&F write up,
gets 15 hours of use per charge, travelling 63 miles
using $1.20 of electricity.
There is no such thing as waste oil---- only wasted oil---- all - I repeat - all oil can be reused/reprocessed. Also even with the down sides of growing our own desiel and the problems attendant to that. It would be a much better world than the one we have to deal with now in oil peoducing countries/companies etc--- etc---etc. And I'm sure that the price would sky-rocket with use, but isn't it doing that now........... and itwouldn't it be nice to grow something we burn rather than just burning something!!! Remenber plants use CO2,(a green house gas) pumping oil and burning it only adds to the problem...... But these sure are pretty boats!!! And sailing uses less resourses than any oil, vegtable or not.!!!
Jason Stancil <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
If it were to be used on a
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
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Jason Stancil <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
If it were to be used on a
> large scale, however, the waste-oil source from fryersNo doubt, but in a society that is slave to oil it's a great to snub
> would quickly be exhausted, and if crops were grown
> explicitly for bio-diesel use, it wouldn't cost 20
> cents/gallon for long. It is interesting, too, to
> consider the effects on the environment of devoting
> increased amounts of now-fallow marginal farmland to
> oil crops, with attendant increased irrigation,
> fertilizer use, etc.
> ****************************
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
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Please, Please, Please take Pictures and share. I had planned on
going this year but a recent job change has left me with little time
off, so, maybe next year.
Bill
going this year but a recent job change has left me with little time
off, so, maybe next year.
Bill
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:25:04 -0000, seagulloutb <dickburnham1@...> wrote:
> Hi Ed. We'd be delighted to help (or be in the way) when you
> launch. At the moment, we're thinking about what to toss in the
> pickup truck, and will be traveling tomorrow (Friday) to St.
> Michaels. We anticipate camping in back of truck or in a tent at the
> Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. You can troll, stroll the camping
> grounds to find us Friday evening -- Red Toyota Tacoma '03 version
> with small red cap over bed -- Massachusetts license plates. Don't
> know if this works off-line, but am obviously trying now on-line.
> Will try in a moment to email you direct. Cheers, Dick Burnham PS
> you can reach me via email today and this evening at ... burnharch
> <at> hotmail <dot> com. Will bring camera!
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, eheins@c... wrote:
> > I'm hoping to launch the Chebacco about 7:30 AM Saturday morning at
> the
> > St. Michaels ramp next to the St. Michaels inn & marina. If
> anybody would
> > like to volunteer to help me get her into the water I'd appreciate
> the
> > help. Contact me off line at eheins@c... if you wish and I'll give
>
>
> > you my cell phone number so we can stay in touch.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed
>
>
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If it were to be used on a
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
> large scale, however, the waste-oil source from fryersNo doubt, but in a society that is slave to oil it's a great to snub
> would quickly be exhausted, and if crops were grown
> explicitly for bio-diesel use, it wouldn't cost 20
> cents/gallon for long. It is interesting, too, to
> consider the effects on the environment of devoting
> increased amounts of now-fallow marginal farmland to
> oil crops, with attendant increased irrigation,
> fertilizer use, etc.
> ****************************
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
If it were to be used on a
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
> large scale, however, the waste-oil source from fryersNo doubt, but in a society that is slave to oil it's a great to snub
> would quickly be exhausted, and if crops were grown
> explicitly for bio-diesel use, it wouldn't cost 20
> cents/gallon for long. It is interesting, too, to
> consider the effects on the environment of devoting
> increased amounts of now-fallow marginal farmland to
> oil crops, with attendant increased irrigation,
> fertilizer use, etc.
> ****************************
the system. Diesel vehicles account for what.....one in 100? You
count out commercial vehicles and dumb@ss monster truck suvs vw is
one of the few diesel vehicles marketed in the U.S. (definately not
the case around the world).
Agriculturally it would be a disaster on a large scale, but if we
didn't have quotas on tobbacco and prop up the prices on corn for no
apparent reason other than feed cows the fallow land we have could
be put to better use. Soy is only one of many plants that are
viable. Coconuts are top notch as is canola, peanut and a host of
other crops. Seems like a system could be developed to shift over
abundent crops into oil production from season to season as supply,
demand and the market see fit and still keep the farmers in business
and keep our noses out of countries that love to hate our (mostly
stupid) policies.
I'm sure if half the money spent on legal battles over ANWR and oil
exploration was piped into alternative fuel/power sources we could
come up with or realize something viable. or heaven forbid public
transportation be utilized or we Americans ride a bike to the
store/work.
Just to stay on topic: my micro sure is pretty these days, lots of
cetoled parts ready to be bedded down if i can get the finish
decent.....damn the 40 grit grinder! Need to order a box of ss bolts
for the lexan too.
Jason
I don't want this getting political or ugly so i'm done with this.
Sorry if i have offended an oil platform worker or a tobacco farmer
(i'm from rural NC i know).
Hi Ed. We'd be delighted to help (or be in the way) when you
launch. At the moment, we're thinking about what to toss in the
pickup truck, and will be traveling tomorrow (Friday) to St.
Michaels. We anticipate camping in back of truck or in a tent at the
Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. You can troll, stroll the camping
grounds to find us Friday evening -- Red Toyota Tacoma '03 version
with small red cap over bed -- Massachusetts license plates. Don't
know if this works off-line, but am obviously trying now on-line.
Will try in a moment to email you direct. Cheers, Dick Burnham PS
you can reach me via email today and this evening at ... burnharch
<at> hotmail <dot> com. Will bring camera!
launch. At the moment, we're thinking about what to toss in the
pickup truck, and will be traveling tomorrow (Friday) to St.
Michaels. We anticipate camping in back of truck or in a tent at the
Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. You can troll, stroll the camping
grounds to find us Friday evening -- Red Toyota Tacoma '03 version
with small red cap over bed -- Massachusetts license plates. Don't
know if this works off-line, but am obviously trying now on-line.
Will try in a moment to email you direct. Cheers, Dick Burnham PS
you can reach me via email today and this evening at ... burnharch
<at> hotmail <dot> com. Will bring camera!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, eheins@c... wrote:
> I'm hoping to launch the Chebacco about 7:30 AM Saturday morning at
the
> St. Michaels ramp next to the St. Michaels inn & marina. If
anybody would
> like to volunteer to help me get her into the water I'd appreciate
the
> help. Contact me off line at eheins@c... if you wish and I'll give
> you my cell phone number so we can stay in touch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
--- Jason Stancil <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
variety of reasons (it's cheap, green and appeals to
my scrounger instincts). If it were to be used on a
large scale, however, the waste-oil source from fryers
would quickly be exhausted, and if crops were grown
explicitly for bio-diesel use, it wouldn't cost 20
cents/gallon for long. It is interesting, too, to
consider the effects on the environment of devoting
increased amounts of now-fallow marginal farmland to
oil crops, with attendant increased irrigation,
fertilizer use, etc.
If I ever convert to biodiesel, I want my fuel
source to come from an oyster-frying vat. French
fries are OK, but man, that fried-oyster smell would
be the best. Sam
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> He was into burning 100% bio and you could suck downBio Diesel is a neat idea and appeals to me for a
> the exhaust
> from a 7.4 litre diesel bus without puking, just
> smelled like
> frenchfries ...........he got his veg. oil from
> mcdonalds when they
> cleaned the fryers. I went through a making batch
> with him, not much
> harder than mixing epoxy, just have to have a digi
> scale and check
> specific gravity at a couple of key steps.....20
> cents a gallon(U.S.)
>
> Jason
variety of reasons (it's cheap, green and appeals to
my scrounger instincts). If it were to be used on a
large scale, however, the waste-oil source from fryers
would quickly be exhausted, and if crops were grown
explicitly for bio-diesel use, it wouldn't cost 20
cents/gallon for long. It is interesting, too, to
consider the effects on the environment of devoting
increased amounts of now-fallow marginal farmland to
oil crops, with attendant increased irrigation,
fertilizer use, etc.
If I ever convert to biodiesel, I want my fuel
source to come from an oyster-frying vat. French
fries are OK, but man, that fried-oyster smell would
be the best. Sam
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I'm hoping to launch the Chebacco about 7:30 AM Saturday morning at the
St. Michaels ramp next to the St. Michaels inn & marina. If anybody would
like to volunteer to help me get her into the water I'd appreciate the
help. Contact me off line ateheins@...if you wish and I'll give
you my cell phone number so we can stay in touch.
Thanks,
Ed
St. Michaels ramp next to the St. Michaels inn & marina. If anybody would
like to volunteer to help me get her into the water I'd appreciate the
help. Contact me off line ateheins@...if you wish and I'll give
you my cell phone number so we can stay in touch.
Thanks,
Ed
The fuel is much less flammable than petrol, and if you're
I used to be a ranger out in the Sonoran Desert and met my fair
share of crazies, but this one guy had a full blown mobile bio
diesel lab in a trailer he towed behind his RV. Solarpanels
everywhere that powered the electric trolling motors to stir the
vats.
I'm kinda nerdy and a green freak so i hung around and learned how
to make the conversion. Doesn't take much or too long. You end up
with alot of glycern when you are done......but it's a good hand
cleaner and can be burnt in a modified waste oil heater.
He was into burning 100% bio and you could suck down the exhaust
from a 7.4 litre diesel bus without puking, just smelled like
frenchfries ...........he got his veg. oil from mcdonalds when they
cleaned the fryers. I went through a making batch with him, not much
harder than mixing epoxy, just have to have a digi scale and check
specific gravity at a couple of key steps.....20 cents a gallon(U.S.)
Jason
> concerned about the environment or stuck in the middle of nowhereit's
> possible to run them on biodiesel (vegetable oil).****************
I used to be a ranger out in the Sonoran Desert and met my fair
share of crazies, but this one guy had a full blown mobile bio
diesel lab in a trailer he towed behind his RV. Solarpanels
everywhere that powered the electric trolling motors to stir the
vats.
I'm kinda nerdy and a green freak so i hung around and learned how
to make the conversion. Doesn't take much or too long. You end up
with alot of glycern when you are done......but it's a good hand
cleaner and can be burnt in a modified waste oil heater.
He was into burning 100% bio and you could suck down the exhaust
from a 7.4 litre diesel bus without puking, just smelled like
frenchfries ...........he got his veg. oil from mcdonalds when they
cleaned the fryers. I went through a making batch with him, not much
harder than mixing epoxy, just have to have a digi scale and check
specific gravity at a couple of key steps.....20 cents a gallon(U.S.)
Jason
Roger Derby wrote:
gallons, admittedly), then I don't think it unreasonable that it's
possible to design a diesel-engined power boat that can do 20mpg.
If I were going to buy/build a boat with an inboard engine, I'd make it
a diesel. They generally have much better fuel efficiency, which helps
keep costs down and means you don't need to devote as much space to fuel
tanks. The fuel is much less flammable than petrol, and if you're
concerned about the environment or stuck in the middle of nowhere it's
possible to run them on biodiesel (vegetable oil).
I'd hazard a guess that with modern alternator and battery technology a
diesel-electric hybrid would be even more fuel-efficient and quieter,
though I'm not sure what the costs would be. I do know of someone (the
brother of a friend of mine) who's currently designing a diesel-electric
narrow boat, so at some point I may be able to get some figures to back
this up.
Dan
> Are there really power boats that get 20 miles per gallon?Given that modern diesel-engined cars can get 60mpg plus (imperial
>
> Roger
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> From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
>
>
>>"She would cruise at 6 knots most predictably, going 20 nautical
>>miles per gallon on diesel fuel
gallons, admittedly), then I don't think it unreasonable that it's
possible to design a diesel-engined power boat that can do 20mpg.
If I were going to buy/build a boat with an inboard engine, I'd make it
a diesel. They generally have much better fuel efficiency, which helps
keep costs down and means you don't need to devote as much space to fuel
tanks. The fuel is much less flammable than petrol, and if you're
concerned about the environment or stuck in the middle of nowhere it's
possible to run them on biodiesel (vegetable oil).
I'd hazard a guess that with modern alternator and battery technology a
diesel-electric hybrid would be even more fuel-efficient and quieter,
though I'm not sure what the costs would be. I do know of someone (the
brother of a friend of mine) who's currently designing a diesel-electric
narrow boat, so at some point I may be able to get some figures to back
this up.
Dan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
engine is mostly used to lessen the leeway when sailing, and for
going directly upwind, or of course if there is no wind or you want
to give the appearance that you are sailing:-)
If you look at the underwater shape, most of it consists of the box
keel which is an about 18X3 foot canoe shape. This is a very
efficient shape and probably only takes about 2 diesel horses to get
up to hull speed, depending on the size of the prop of course. Some
of these new small diesels are thought very highly of by PCB&F and
the box keel is one of his favorites for it's easy driving.
With the engine, fuel and batteries in the keel you have your ballast
and it is all down low. The big drawback is you would not have a lot
of storage space, with that hull shape compared to a MICRO etc.
One US Gallon for 20 nautical miles translates to over 25 mpg
Canadian:-)
Nels
> Are there really power boats that get 20 miles per gallon?Not many, but then this isn't really strictly a power boat. The
engine is mostly used to lessen the leeway when sailing, and for
going directly upwind, or of course if there is no wind or you want
to give the appearance that you are sailing:-)
If you look at the underwater shape, most of it consists of the box
keel which is an about 18X3 foot canoe shape. This is a very
efficient shape and probably only takes about 2 diesel horses to get
up to hull speed, depending on the size of the prop of course. Some
of these new small diesels are thought very highly of by PCB&F and
the box keel is one of his favorites for it's easy driving.
With the engine, fuel and batteries in the keel you have your ballast
and it is all down low. The big drawback is you would not have a lot
of storage space, with that hull shape compared to a MICRO etc.
One US Gallon for 20 nautical miles translates to over 25 mpg
Canadian:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
spend most of their time under power alone (sometimes with a roller
furling jib set). The problem with the motor sailor concept is that
sheet plywood is a fairly expensive material, and this design uses a
lot of it. By the time a sailor gets old enough to apreciate this
design, he/she is likely to be too old to build it himself and too
poor to have it done. Having said all that, I think the concept and
Bolger's cartoon are wonderful. Maybe if I win the lottery...
Of course the saddest thing of all is a boat that is too big to
handle for an old codger and so it sits in the marina.
I don't see why two old salts can't get together and build a boat as
a partnership, even if you have hire a helper - like that
cabinatemaker who wants to build boats:-)
How many sheets of plywood do you think this design might take? Would
half inch be thick enough? Or 5/8? The curves are quite gradual. I
bet the engine and sails and epoxy/finishing would all cost more than
the plywood.
Interesting to compare it to Grampa's Pirate Boat in BWAOM. It has
all the things that have been stripped off this design including a
one ton keel and two bilge keels which are a lot of extra work and
cost to build and maintain. I bet it's sail plan could be used on
this one with not much problem. But I also figure the cost to build
it would be about four times hgher. Has a much small engine though.
All other specs are almost identical.
Nels
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> I have observed that, with age, sailors progress from hot rodsailing dinghies to "cruising sailboats", to cruising sailboats which
spend most of their time under power alone (sometimes with a roller
furling jib set). The problem with the motor sailor concept is that
sheet plywood is a fairly expensive material, and this design uses a
lot of it. By the time a sailor gets old enough to apreciate this
design, he/she is likely to be too old to build it himself and too
poor to have it done. Having said all that, I think the concept and
Bolger's cartoon are wonderful. Maybe if I win the lottery...
Of course the saddest thing of all is a boat that is too big to
handle for an old codger and so it sits in the marina.
I don't see why two old salts can't get together and build a boat as
a partnership, even if you have hire a helper - like that
cabinatemaker who wants to build boats:-)
How many sheets of plywood do you think this design might take? Would
half inch be thick enough? Or 5/8? The curves are quite gradual. I
bet the engine and sails and epoxy/finishing would all cost more than
the plywood.
Interesting to compare it to Grampa's Pirate Boat in BWAOM. It has
all the things that have been stripped off this design including a
one ton keel and two bilge keels which are a lot of extra work and
cost to build and maintain. I bet it's sail plan could be used on
this one with not much problem. But I also figure the cost to build
it would be about four times hgher. Has a much small engine though.
All other specs are almost identical.
Nels
I have observed that, with age, sailors progress from hot rod sailing dinghies to "cruising sailboats", to cruising sailboats which spend most of their time under power alone (sometimes with a roller furling jib set). The problem with the motor sailor concept is that sheet plywood is a fairly expensive material, and this design uses a lot of it. By the time a sailor gets old enough to apreciate this design, he/she is likely to be too old to build it himself and too poor to have it done. Having said all that, I think the concept and Bolger's cartoon are wonderful. Maybe if I win the lottery...
----- Original Message -----
From: Nels
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: A Boat With No Name?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
> I think it's the defining line between sailors and stinkpotters. No
> grey area.
>
"She would cruise at 6 knots most predictably, going 20 nautical
miles per gallon on diesel fuel OR A GOOD DEAL MORE WITH LUCK OR
KNOWLEDGEABLE USE OF THE SAILS. The prop is protected, and placed
where it will work in the roughest water in spite of the shallow
draft. The engine, normally run much below its noisy peak speed, is
placed where sound insulation can be quite effective."
Not being a former dingy sailer, nor a motor boater, I guess I am not
prejudiced either way. I can see where it would be nice to have both
options depending on wind and sea conditions and time/distance
options. On a day like today, with winds of less than 5 knots and
frequently calm, a tradional sailboat would be a real drag, but the
owner of this boat might go out anyway - just to be on the water. In
beam or following winds of more than 6 knots (hull speed) one could
shut down the engine altogether, or leave it idling and keep the
electrics going. (One could have an inverter and 110 power.) I guess
the fuel and batteries would be the only ballest needed if the rig is
kept low.
With a 10 gallon fuel tank one could go over 200 statuate miles on
motor alone and if able to sail, would have plenty of fuel to run a
diesel furnace. A lee shore would pose no problem, even in heavy
seas, and tidal and river currents would also be a minor
inconvenience.
In fact I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be a
detrement. What am I missing?
Of course I must reiterate that I am talking old codger here, and in
no hurry. A sailboat is about the slowest powered conveyance
currently available to my knowledge. (Unless on a trailer.) Even an
ox cart can often make better time against the wind:-) The dingy
sailers will still prefer the J24 or CHEBACCO.
I would be interested in how the design might evolve if Susanne
looked at it:-) Certainly, the Chinese gaff rig might even be easier
to use if one opted for a small pilothouse and then the tabernacle
and no standing rigging would be the choice.
Cheers, Nels
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From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
> "She would cruise at 6 knots most predictably, going 20 nautical
> miles per gallon on diesel fuel
OK. Who has a Bolger boat in Marble Falls, Texas?
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
miles per gallon on diesel fuel OR A GOOD DEAL MORE WITH LUCK OR
KNOWLEDGEABLE USE OF THE SAILS. The prop is protected, and placed
where it will work in the roughest water in spite of the shallow
draft. The engine, normally run much below its noisy peak speed, is
placed where sound insulation can be quite effective."
Not being a former dingy sailer, nor a motor boater, I guess I am not
prejudiced either way. I can see where it would be nice to have both
options depending on wind and sea conditions and time/distance
options. On a day like today, with winds of less than 5 knots and
frequently calm, a tradional sailboat would be a real drag, but the
owner of this boat might go out anyway - just to be on the water. In
beam or following winds of more than 6 knots (hull speed) one could
shut down the engine altogether, or leave it idling and keep the
electrics going. (One could have an inverter and 110 power.) I guess
the fuel and batteries would be the only ballest needed if the rig is
kept low.
With a 10 gallon fuel tank one could go over 200 statuate miles on
motor alone and if able to sail, would have plenty of fuel to run a
diesel furnace. A lee shore would pose no problem, even in heavy
seas, and tidal and river currents would also be a minor
inconvenience.
In fact I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be a
detrement. What am I missing?
Of course I must reiterate that I am talking old codger here, and in
no hurry. A sailboat is about the slowest powered conveyance
currently available to my knowledge. (Unless on a trailer.) Even an
ox cart can often make better time against the wind:-) The dingy
sailers will still prefer the J24 or CHEBACCO.
I would be interested in how the design might evolve if Susanne
looked at it:-) Certainly, the Chinese gaff rig might even be easier
to use if one opted for a small pilothouse and then the tabernacle
and no standing rigging would be the choice.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> I think it's the defining line between sailors and stinkpotters. No"She would cruise at 6 knots most predictably, going 20 nautical
> grey area.
>
miles per gallon on diesel fuel OR A GOOD DEAL MORE WITH LUCK OR
KNOWLEDGEABLE USE OF THE SAILS. The prop is protected, and placed
where it will work in the roughest water in spite of the shallow
draft. The engine, normally run much below its noisy peak speed, is
placed where sound insulation can be quite effective."
Not being a former dingy sailer, nor a motor boater, I guess I am not
prejudiced either way. I can see where it would be nice to have both
options depending on wind and sea conditions and time/distance
options. On a day like today, with winds of less than 5 knots and
frequently calm, a tradional sailboat would be a real drag, but the
owner of this boat might go out anyway - just to be on the water. In
beam or following winds of more than 6 knots (hull speed) one could
shut down the engine altogether, or leave it idling and keep the
electrics going. (One could have an inverter and 110 power.) I guess
the fuel and batteries would be the only ballest needed if the rig is
kept low.
With a 10 gallon fuel tank one could go over 200 statuate miles on
motor alone and if able to sail, would have plenty of fuel to run a
diesel furnace. A lee shore would pose no problem, even in heavy
seas, and tidal and river currents would also be a minor
inconvenience.
In fact I can't really imagine a scenario where it would be a
detrement. What am I missing?
Of course I must reiterate that I am talking old codger here, and in
no hurry. A sailboat is about the slowest powered conveyance
currently available to my knowledge. (Unless on a trailer.) Even an
ox cart can often make better time against the wind:-) The dingy
sailers will still prefer the J24 or CHEBACCO.
I would be interested in how the design might evolve if Susanne
looked at it:-) Certainly, the Chinese gaff rig might even be easier
to use if one opted for a small pilothouse and then the tabernacle
and no standing rigging would be the choice.
Cheers, Nels
>, Stefan Gutermuth wrote:What I like best about the interior of Watervan is that with all
> I believe the boat you are describing does exist, and I built one. The
> Water Van
the windows, it is so 'bright and open'. I hate how the inside
of the cabin of so many production boats seems like a cave.
Col H.G. Hasler is [would be] bright and open too.
I believe the boat you are describing does exist, and I built one. The
Water Van fits the design requirements. Has everything you need for
extended living aboard, (except a shower). It can be used comfortably for a
full 3 + seasons. When you close all the windows and doors you still have
the full stand up deck, and it is sealed from the weather, and can be
heated. I ran the Hudson and the Erie Canal, for two weeks last year. It
rained heavily for 4 of those days, yet we stayed warm and dry at over 20
knots when traffic & conditions permitted. Its only shortcoming is that it
doesn't like seas over 4 feet.
Stefan Gutermuth, V.P.
John O'Hara Company
Ph: 973-673-4676
Fx: 973-673-7141
Cl: 201-970-8007
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:35 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] A Boat With No Name?
"In this case we have a boat of less than 23 feet, well inside
trailer highway breadth and with a handy shape to fit between and
over trailer wheels - which has standing headroom through her whole
cabin and generally comfortable and convenient living space. She has
about as nice a deck layout as I can imagine, and a deep cockpit with
chair height benches, shade when needed and comfortable backrests and
foot braces. She would be an exceptionally dry boat, and as
invulnerable to heavy weather as a boat can be made by design."
Anybody recognize which boat PCB is talkng about?
So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
available?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
The article from Small Boat Journal has been uploaded to Bolger4 in
the Folder entitled Small Motorsailer. This article is another lesson
in design philossphy IMO.
I suggest Tom contact PCB&F to update this design and offer it under
the name, "THE SLOOP JOHN B."
This is a design whose time has come for some of us old codgers!
Cheers, Nels
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Water Van fits the design requirements. Has everything you need for
extended living aboard, (except a shower). It can be used comfortably for a
full 3 + seasons. When you close all the windows and doors you still have
the full stand up deck, and it is sealed from the weather, and can be
heated. I ran the Hudson and the Erie Canal, for two weeks last year. It
rained heavily for 4 of those days, yet we stayed warm and dry at over 20
knots when traffic & conditions permitted. Its only shortcoming is that it
doesn't like seas over 4 feet.
Stefan Gutermuth, V.P.
John O'Hara Company
Ph: 973-673-4676
Fx: 973-673-7141
Cl: 201-970-8007
stefan@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:35 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] A Boat With No Name?
"In this case we have a boat of less than 23 feet, well inside
trailer highway breadth and with a handy shape to fit between and
over trailer wheels - which has standing headroom through her whole
cabin and generally comfortable and convenient living space. She has
about as nice a deck layout as I can imagine, and a deep cockpit with
chair height benches, shade when needed and comfortable backrests and
foot braces. She would be an exceptionally dry boat, and as
invulnerable to heavy weather as a boat can be made by design."
Anybody recognize which boat PCB is talkng about?
So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
available?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
The article from Small Boat Journal has been uploaded to Bolger4 in
the Folder entitled Small Motorsailer. This article is another lesson
in design philossphy IMO.
I suggest Tom contact PCB&F to update this design and offer it under
the name, "THE SLOOP JOHN B."
This is a design whose time has come for some of us old codgers!
Cheers, Nels
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
going to say that people who want cruising sailboats started out as
dinghy sailors, but then I thought perhaps many of them had never
stepped inside a small boat of any kind.
Howard
-- who has spent countless hours in small open boats of both kinds,
mainly in the tropics, and has the skin to prove it.
> It's not that they fall in to two camps, its they think they do.I think your analysis is correct, Harry. In my earlier post I was
>Most modern cruising auxiliaries are really motor sailors, but they
>are called sail boats by the press and by those who sell them. More
> importantly they are used as motor sailors, heavy on the motor.
> I believe that most of the owners of these boats
> did not start out in dinghy sailing and truly don't know how much
>fun being totally dependent on yourself and your boats performance
>under sail can be.
going to say that people who want cruising sailboats started out as
dinghy sailors, but then I thought perhaps many of them had never
stepped inside a small boat of any kind.
Howard
-- who has spent countless hours in small open boats of both kinds,
mainly in the tropics, and has the skin to prove it.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
Norway and Sweden earlier this summer and I watched several hundred
small motorsailers in many different locations.
There is a small sub 30 foot wooden double ender that is very
popular. Practically based on the Colin Archer lifeboat design. They
are bright finished lapstrake, having shallow keels, small pilot
houses and short ketch or yawl rigs and almost all have small two
cylnder diesel engins in about the 30 hp range.
I totally fell in love with the concept, but learned they are an
awfull lot of work and effort to maintain. (Several owners I talked
to had them up for sale.)
But they sure get used! They are all over the place no matter where
you go along the coast. It is fun trying to figure out which ones are
sailing, or drifting, or motoring, or motorsailing. Many are doing
the later as the mid-summer winds can be quite flukey in the fjords.
However, their engines seem to be running at just above idle and fuel
is ungodly expensive, but nobody is in a hurry. YOu might see one in
a hundred with a big flying bridge monstor trying to plane.
Sure looked to me like the right idea, for us old codgers. I have
quite a number of photos I will try to get into an ofoto album to
share, including Viking ships, faerings, seksaerngs and the odd
otteaering:-) Several large schooners, which surprised me, and some
really huge sailing trainers.
But the small motorsailers really warmed my cockles the most. Mostly
just a couple or family and often single-handed.
Of course there are a lot of big plastic high tech "racing machines"
too. But you hardly ever see them actually out sailing.
Cheers, Nels
> Rant followsI would tend to agree with you. I spent almost 2 months touring
>
> It's not that they fall in to two camps, its they think they do.
Norway and Sweden earlier this summer and I watched several hundred
small motorsailers in many different locations.
There is a small sub 30 foot wooden double ender that is very
popular. Practically based on the Colin Archer lifeboat design. They
are bright finished lapstrake, having shallow keels, small pilot
houses and short ketch or yawl rigs and almost all have small two
cylnder diesel engins in about the 30 hp range.
I totally fell in love with the concept, but learned they are an
awfull lot of work and effort to maintain. (Several owners I talked
to had them up for sale.)
But they sure get used! They are all over the place no matter where
you go along the coast. It is fun trying to figure out which ones are
sailing, or drifting, or motoring, or motorsailing. Many are doing
the later as the mid-summer winds can be quite flukey in the fjords.
However, their engines seem to be running at just above idle and fuel
is ungodly expensive, but nobody is in a hurry. YOu might see one in
a hundred with a big flying bridge monstor trying to plane.
Sure looked to me like the right idea, for us old codgers. I have
quite a number of photos I will try to get into an ofoto album to
share, including Viking ships, faerings, seksaerngs and the odd
otteaering:-) Several large schooners, which surprised me, and some
really huge sailing trainers.
But the small motorsailers really warmed my cockles the most. Mostly
just a couple or family and often single-handed.
Of course there are a lot of big plastic high tech "racing machines"
too. But you hardly ever see them actually out sailing.
Cheers, Nels
Jason, I think you should examine your objections to
Col. Hasler and surrender yourself to the genius of
Philip C. Bolger.
Order the issue of Mike O'Brian's Boat Design
Quarterly, sorry I can't recall the issue number.
Study Bolger's wizardry. Read O'Brian's write up.
If you really want an incredibly self-sufficient world
cruiser in the smallest, safest, most competent
package, Col. Hasler is probably it.
If Col. Hasler is too complex for you, commission a
new design from PB&F. I suspect that the waiting list
will be too long and that you could build Col. Hasler,
with all her complexities, before PB&F could complete
your new design.
The complexities that PB&F designed into Col. Hasler
are really competencies. They aren't meaningless
excressences on the design like tail fins on 1960s
Detroit land barges.
If sailing single handed over very long distances in
as total safety as one can expect in a small boat are
things you wish to accomplish, then Col. Hasler is a
good boat to do it in, perhaps the best design to
accomplish these things. Phil and Susanne's attention
to detail and concern about safety may just save your
life when you are too tired, too sick, or out of
control to sail her rationally.
Although my minimalist boat is Tahiti, if I hadn't
been corrupted by Captain Beebe's Voyaging Under Power
and if I thought I was going to sail around the world
single handed or needed to, I'd be thinking about Col.
Hassler. She is an amazing design. The Boat Design
Quarterly issue may be an excellent $10 or what ever
they are charging investment on your part.
YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)
Phil Smith
Col. Hasler and surrender yourself to the genius of
Philip C. Bolger.
Order the issue of Mike O'Brian's Boat Design
Quarterly, sorry I can't recall the issue number.
Study Bolger's wizardry. Read O'Brian's write up.
If you really want an incredibly self-sufficient world
cruiser in the smallest, safest, most competent
package, Col. Hasler is probably it.
If Col. Hasler is too complex for you, commission a
new design from PB&F. I suspect that the waiting list
will be too long and that you could build Col. Hasler,
with all her complexities, before PB&F could complete
your new design.
The complexities that PB&F designed into Col. Hasler
are really competencies. They aren't meaningless
excressences on the design like tail fins on 1960s
Detroit land barges.
If sailing single handed over very long distances in
as total safety as one can expect in a small boat are
things you wish to accomplish, then Col. Hasler is a
good boat to do it in, perhaps the best design to
accomplish these things. Phil and Susanne's attention
to detail and concern about safety may just save your
life when you are too tired, too sick, or out of
control to sail her rationally.
Although my minimalist boat is Tahiti, if I hadn't
been corrupted by Captain Beebe's Voyaging Under Power
and if I thought I was going to sail around the world
single handed or needed to, I'd be thinking about Col.
Hassler. She is an amazing design. The Boat Design
Quarterly issue may be an excellent $10 or what ever
they are charging investment on your part.
YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)
Phil Smith
Rant follows
It's not that they fall in to two camps, its they think they do. Most
modern cruising auxiliaries are really motor sailors, but they are
called sail boats by the press and by those who sell them. More
importantly they are used as motor sailors, heavy on the motor. The
focus is on accommodations and appearance not sailing qualities and they
are marketed that way. I believe that most of the owners of these boats
did not start out in dinghy sailing and truly don't know how much fun
being totally dependent on yourself and your boats performance under
sail can be.
I live in SE Alaska. Every summer there is a parade of cruisers both
power and sail who tour up here. I estimate about 1/4 to 1/3 of them are
sailing auxiliaries. It is so unusual to see one of the "Sail" boats
with sails up that it is cause for comment. Often no more than 4-5 times
in a whole summer.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
It's not that they fall in to two camps, its they think they do. Most
modern cruising auxiliaries are really motor sailors, but they are
called sail boats by the press and by those who sell them. More
importantly they are used as motor sailors, heavy on the motor. The
focus is on accommodations and appearance not sailing qualities and they
are marketed that way. I believe that most of the owners of these boats
did not start out in dinghy sailing and truly don't know how much fun
being totally dependent on yourself and your boats performance under
sail can be.
I live in SE Alaska. Every summer there is a parade of cruisers both
power and sail who tour up here. I estimate about 1/4 to 1/3 of them are
sailing auxiliaries. It is so unusual to see one of the "Sail" boats
with sails up that it is cause for comment. Often no more than 4-5 times
in a whole summer.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
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>>So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
>>available?
>>
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>I guess because people mainly fall into two camps: those that like
>sailing and those that don't. Sailors wouldn't like to have an engine
>running all the time to compensate for an otherwise poor performance.
>They'd rather have a proper sailboat with an auxiliary engine.
>
>Those who like motorboats often don't know much, or want to learn,
>about sailing. They would not be interested in a boat that looks like
>an old-fashioned sailboat with a complicated rig.
>
>We had a similar discussion a while ago, in relation to Fast
>Motorsailer, as I recall.
>
>Howard
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I think it's the defining line between sailors and stinkpotters. No
grey area.
I really like all of the box keel bolger boats i have seen. The 2
motor sailors......this one and the 30' foot cargo boat look nice
(not quite a box), lots of room for folks over 6' tall. But i can't
buy into running a diesel full time even if it just sips.
The col. hasler is neat as well and is a sailboat. But only has one
berth, a gimbeled captains chair and a stationary bike batterycharger
(i think i read that) overly complex for me(and steel).
All those boats out there, there has to be a bluewater capable
(rights to say 150), positive bouyancy, sub 30 foot LOA with 8.5'
beam, standing headroom, little punt on deck, shoal draft,
beachable, built of sheet material(ply)with two single berths,
unstayed rig, inside steering station having boat with motion that
doesn't turn you green and a hidden ob in his file somewhere.....am
i asking for too much am i missing something?
Jessie Cooper and L. Micro nav. come close but not quite.
Jason the never satisfied
grey area.
I really like all of the box keel bolger boats i have seen. The 2
motor sailors......this one and the 30' foot cargo boat look nice
(not quite a box), lots of room for folks over 6' tall. But i can't
buy into running a diesel full time even if it just sips.
The col. hasler is neat as well and is a sailboat. But only has one
berth, a gimbeled captains chair and a stationary bike batterycharger
(i think i read that) overly complex for me(and steel).
All those boats out there, there has to be a bluewater capable
(rights to say 150), positive bouyancy, sub 30 foot LOA with 8.5'
beam, standing headroom, little punt on deck, shoal draft,
beachable, built of sheet material(ply)with two single berths,
unstayed rig, inside steering station having boat with motion that
doesn't turn you green and a hidden ob in his file somewhere.....am
i asking for too much am i missing something?
Jessie Cooper and L. Micro nav. come close but not quite.
Jason the never satisfied
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
sailing and those that don't. Sailors wouldn't like to have an engine
running all the time to compensate for an otherwise poor performance.
They'd rather have a proper sailboat with an auxiliary engine.
Those who like motorboats often don't know much, or want to learn,
about sailing. They would not be interested in a boat that looks like
an old-fashioned sailboat with a complicated rig.
We had a similar discussion a while ago, in relation to Fast
Motorsailer, as I recall.
Howard
>I guess because people mainly fall into two camps: those that like
> So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
> available?
sailing and those that don't. Sailors wouldn't like to have an engine
running all the time to compensate for an otherwise poor performance.
They'd rather have a proper sailboat with an auxiliary engine.
Those who like motorboats often don't know much, or want to learn,
about sailing. They would not be interested in a boat that looks like
an old-fashioned sailboat with a complicated rig.
We had a similar discussion a while ago, in relation to Fast
Motorsailer, as I recall.
Howard
"In this case we have a boat of less than 23 feet, well inside
trailer highway breadth and with a handy shape to fit between and
over trailer wheels - which has standing headroom through her whole
cabin and generally comfortable and convenient living space. She has
about as nice a deck layout as I can imagine, and a deep cockpit with
chair height benches, shade when needed and comfortable backrests and
foot braces. She would be an exceptionally dry boat, and as
invulnerable to heavy weather as a boat can be made by design."
Anybody recognize which boat PCB is talkng about?
So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
available?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
The article from Small Boat Journal has been uploaded to Bolger4 in
the Folder entitled Small Motorsailer. This article is another lesson
in design philossphy IMO.
I suggest Tom contact PCB&F to update this design and offer it under
the name, "THE SLOOP JOHN B."
This is a design whose time has come for some of us old codgers!
Cheers, Nels
trailer highway breadth and with a handy shape to fit between and
over trailer wheels - which has standing headroom through her whole
cabin and generally comfortable and convenient living space. She has
about as nice a deck layout as I can imagine, and a deep cockpit with
chair height benches, shade when needed and comfortable backrests and
foot braces. She would be an exceptionally dry boat, and as
invulnerable to heavy weather as a boat can be made by design."
Anybody recognize which boat PCB is talkng about?
So I wonder why this boat was never built and why plans are not
available?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
The article from Small Boat Journal has been uploaded to Bolger4 in
the Folder entitled Small Motorsailer. This article is another lesson
in design philossphy IMO.
I suggest Tom contact PCB&F to update this design and offer it under
the name, "THE SLOOP JOHN B."
This is a design whose time has come for some of us old codgers!
Cheers, Nels