Re: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy response
How about a motorcycle twist grip?
>
> You just gave me an idea on the throttle. Maybe I
> could put a twist throttle on the control lever.
> That way with one hand I could jockey the lever and
> adjust the throttle. Something like helicopter
> pitch control. Add a bias spring to help balance
> the forces on the lever could solve the muscle
> cramps.
Most engines I've used don't idle at the same speed cold that they do warm.
>Howard Stephenson wrote:
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
>
>
>>> I need to rig up some sort of a device to hold the clam shell
>>>adjustment lever stationary but it'll have to be adjustable to match
>>>the throttle position.
>>
>>
>
>My small outboard motor has a combined throttle-gearchange in the one
>twist-grip that only allows neutral at one throttle setting. There is
>a separate idle adjustment lever, but I don't need to touch it.
>
>Why would you need neutral at any other engine speed than idle?
>
>Howard
>
Neutral itself certainly would be at idle only. It's when your are moving between reverse and forward trying to dock or load on the trailer. You need about 1/3 throttle to have a reverse, 1/2 throttle is better.
At idle full reverse is very slow if at all. When coming into a busy dock / ramp area it is more comforting to have the throttle advanced and use the clamshell lever to control speed.
You just gave me an idea on the throttle. Maybe I could put a twist throttle on the control lever. That way with one hand I could jockey the lever and adjust the throttle. Something like helicopter pitch control. Add a bias spring to help balance the forces on the lever could solve the muscle cramps.
Jeff
At idle full reverse is very slow if at all. When coming into a busy dock / ramp area it is more comforting to have the throttle advanced and use the clamshell lever to control speed.
You just gave me an idea on the throttle. Maybe I could put a twist throttle on the control lever. That way with one hand I could jockey the lever and adjust the throttle. Something like helicopter pitch control. Add a bias spring to help balance the forces on the lever could solve the muscle cramps.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Stephenson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sneakeasy response
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
>I need to rig up some sort of a device to hold the clam shell
>adjustment lever stationary but it'll have to be adjustable to match
the throttle position.
My small outboard motor has a combined throttle-gearchange in the one
twist-grip that only allows neutral at one throttle setting. There is
a separate idle adjustment lever, but I don't need to touch it.
Why would you need neutral at any other than engine speed than idle?
Howard
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That sounds like a good place for a worm gear (old satellite dish actuator?)
or a hydraulic control.
Roger
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or a hydraulic control.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
> Sure does but the pressure on the lever enough that after a minute
> or two it becomes very difficult to hold. I need to rig up some sort
> of a device to hold the clam shell adjustment lever stationary but
> it'll have to be adjustable to match the throttle position. Neutral
> at one throttle setting is not the same for another. The more
> thrust developed the tighter the clamshells need to be closed.
>
> I'm working on such a device that I hope to install for next season.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Derby
>
> Doesn't your Kitchen rudder allow a setting between forward and
> reverse that "spills the wind?"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
>
> > Nothing at full speed but from a visual side you can't tell the
> > difference. So far the best I can get is 12.75 MPH measured by GPS.
> >
> > Handling is just fine but she does turn a bit slow due to her length.
> Not
> > a problem, just a adaptation when coming in to the dock. My biggest
> > problem is getting her to go slow. 4.5 MPH is her minimum speed at
> idle.
> > I have to constantly hold the kitchen rudder in a near neutral position
> > when loading or docking.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
twist-grip that only allows neutral at one throttle setting. There is
a separate idle adjustment lever, but I don't need to touch it.
Why would you need neutral at any other engine speed than idle?
Howard
> I need to rig up some sort of a device to hold the clam shellMy small outboard motor has a combined throttle-gearchange in the one
>adjustment lever stationary but it'll have to be adjustable to match
>the throttle position.
twist-grip that only allows neutral at one throttle setting. There is
a separate idle adjustment lever, but I don't need to touch it.
Why would you need neutral at any other engine speed than idle?
Howard
Sure does but the pressure on the lever enough that after a minute or two it becomes very difficult to hold. I need to rig up some sort of a device to hold the clam shell adjustment lever stationary but it'll have to be adjustable to match the throttle position. Neutral at one throttle setting is not the same for another. The more thrust developed the tighter the clamshells need to be closed.
I'm working on such a device that I hope to install for next season.
Jeff
I'm working on such a device that I hope to install for next season.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Derby
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sneakeasy response
Doesn't your Kitchen rudder allow a setting between forward and reverse that
"spills the wind?"
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
> Nothing at full speed but from a visual side you can't tell the
> difference. So far the best I can get is 12.75 MPH measured by GPS.
>
> Handling is just fine but she does turn a bit slow due to her length. Not
> a problem, just a adaptation when coming in to the dock. My biggest
> problem is getting her to go slow. 4.5 MPH is her minimum speed at idle.
> I have to constantly hold the kitchen rudder in a near neutral position
> when loading or docking.
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Doesn't your Kitchen rudder allow a setting between forward and reverse that
"spills the wind?"
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
"spills the wind?"
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
> Nothing at full speed but from a visual side you can't tell the
> difference. So far the best I can get is 12.75 MPH measured by GPS.
>
> Handling is just fine but she does turn a bit slow due to her length. Not
> a problem, just a adaptation when coming in to the dock. My biggest
> problem is getting her to go slow. 4.5 MPH is her minimum speed at idle.
> I have to constantly hold the kitchen rudder in a near neutral position
> when loading or docking.
Nothing at full speed but from a visual side you can't tell the difference. So far the best I can get is 12.75 MPH measured by GPS.
Handling is just fine but she does turn a bit slow due to her length. Not a problem, just a adaptation when coming in to the dock. My biggest problem is getting her to go slow. 4.5 MPH is her minimum speed at idle. I have to constantly hold the kitchen rudder in a near neutral position when loading or docking.
Jeff
Handling is just fine but she does turn a bit slow due to her length. Not a problem, just a adaptation when coming in to the dock. My biggest problem is getting her to go slow. 4.5 MPH is her minimum speed at idle. I have to constantly hold the kitchen rudder in a near neutral position when loading or docking.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sneakeasy response
> Jeff
> I sent photos to Phil Bolger...
>...he generally commended me
Phil Bolger is not known for holding his
criticism, or offering insincere praise,
so you should be glad about his positive
response to your modifications.
The photos you posted, don't
show a picture of the boat at
full speed. How fast does it
go, and how does it handle?
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> JeffPhil Bolger is not known for holding his
> I sent photos to Phil Bolger...
>...he generally commended me
criticism, or offering insincere praise,
so you should be glad about his positive
response to your modifications.
The photos you posted, don't
show a picture of the boat at
full speed. How fast does it
go, and how does it handle?
I sent photos to Phil Bolger of my Sneakeasy which was built as an inboard plus photos of the two sections of the Wyoming. Since both projects are a deviation as to how he designed them to be built, I was expecting some sort of rebuff on my creativity.
It took 9 days for a response from the date of my mailing which is fast! His only objection was that I may get a knuckle where the sections are mated together but did mention that the Sneakeasy showed none so it is possible to fair out to an unobtrusive joint.
Other than a suggestion to do a write up for Wooden Boats or at minimum MIAB regarding the use of the kitchen rudder he generally commended me on what looks like good "carpentry" and how the thrust bearing works on the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
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It took 9 days for a response from the date of my mailing which is fast! His only objection was that I may get a knuckle where the sections are mated together but did mention that the Sneakeasy showed none so it is possible to fair out to an unobtrusive joint.
Other than a suggestion to do a write up for Wooden Boats or at minimum MIAB regarding the use of the kitchen rudder he generally commended me on what looks like good "carpentry" and how the thrust bearing works on the Sneakeasy.
Jeff
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