Re: [bolger] Re: Cordless Tools Sets
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 05:04 pm, John B. Trussell wrote:
http://www.japanwoodworker.com/
http://tinyurl.com/5vuce
The physics of pulling just makes much more sense than pushing.
boblq
> there is a lot to be said for a good old, properly adjusted, sharp hand tool.My favorite cordless tool is a Japanese pullsaw. e.g. like those from
>
> But there are those who accuse me of being a curmudgeonly old luddite...
>
> John T
http://www.japanwoodworker.com/
http://tinyurl.com/5vuce
The physics of pulling just makes much more sense than pushing.
boblq
But if a B&D
the drill, battery charger, and case is sometimes $9.99. Worth it
just for the battery. They have had drills for $5.00 with no
battery. Corded refurbished drills are just as cheap. I got a power
plane and sander too. Just check for the sales to get the best
deals. These stores are along the with other outlets.
Charles
> "Firestorm" drill makes holes as it's supposed to, I'm thinkingthat
> they're make be more utility in having two,I buy B&D factory refurbished at a B&D factory outlet store. On sale
the drill, battery charger, and case is sometimes $9.99. Worth it
just for the battery. They have had drills for $5.00 with no
battery. Corded refurbished drills are just as cheap. I got a power
plane and sander too. Just check for the sales to get the best
deals. These stores are along the with other outlets.
Charles
On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 09:37 PM, sals_dad wrote:
and then spent my early professional career as a photographer (where
the better stuff really is better), I've never had trouble paying for
good tools. But between 10 years of computers, $50 replacement
batteries, and the fact that I've wore out the drill (replace by
Makita) before the batteries died, the whole lifetime investment thing
is getting harder and harder to hang on to.
Ease of use on a daily basis is still important. Thing that don't quite
do the job they're supposed to do are frustrating. But if a B&D
"Firestorm" drill makes holes as it's supposed to, I'm thinking that
they're make be more utility in having two, on with the bit in place
and one with the driver in place, and replacing as needed, than there
is in having one Makita that's going to need to be "replaced" after 4-5
years whether it needs it or not.
It's frustrating. It goes against my grain. But so does buying a $2000
computer knowing that in two years I'm going to throw it out.
YIBB,
David
>Having been brought up on the "buy the best, it'll last you a lifetime"
> Never thought I could be so enthusiastic about cheap tools, but this
> really is a good value for any non-pro. And I've seen replacement
> batteries for about $50, and they throw in a charger and drill!
>
> Curtis
and then spent my early professional career as a photographer (where
the better stuff really is better), I've never had trouble paying for
good tools. But between 10 years of computers, $50 replacement
batteries, and the fact that I've wore out the drill (replace by
Makita) before the batteries died, the whole lifetime investment thing
is getting harder and harder to hang on to.
Ease of use on a daily basis is still important. Thing that don't quite
do the job they're supposed to do are frustrating. But if a B&D
"Firestorm" drill makes holes as it's supposed to, I'm thinking that
they're make be more utility in having two, on with the bit in place
and one with the driver in place, and replacing as needed, than there
is in having one Makita that's going to need to be "replaced" after 4-5
years whether it needs it or not.
It's frustrating. It goes against my grain. But so does buying a $2000
computer knowing that in two years I'm going to throw it out.
YIBB,
David
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
Baron de Kingston and Daddy Duck,not to mention a score of local
cronnies,I remain plugged into my corded power tools.There is just
nothing like the solemn confidence of knowing you can work the
grinder all day long or the circular saw for a full eight hour shift
without ever even having to consider stopping or even slowing
down,never mind changing batteries and remembering to charge the
critters.
I also like the weighted balance of a corded tool verse what I have
felt to be an"odd" feel with the cordless models I've picked up in
the hardware store.
Of course,I suppose it is just a question of practice before even
those tools feel good and balanced too.
So,sorry for not being able to offer some really pertinent help with
the cordless tools David.It is just that I like knowing I have the
whole Hydro Quebec power grid punching through the line to keep me
forever entertained with my boatbuilding fun.Call me a lazy whimp :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,plugged,pleased and juiced and not always in that
order but not a bad way to start the day,either!
> Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, anyother
> opinions here in Bolger land?Despite some rather good bits of convincing from the likes of Le
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
Baron de Kingston and Daddy Duck,not to mention a score of local
cronnies,I remain plugged into my corded power tools.There is just
nothing like the solemn confidence of knowing you can work the
grinder all day long or the circular saw for a full eight hour shift
without ever even having to consider stopping or even slowing
down,never mind changing batteries and remembering to charge the
critters.
I also like the weighted balance of a corded tool verse what I have
felt to be an"odd" feel with the cordless models I've picked up in
the hardware store.
Of course,I suppose it is just a question of practice before even
those tools feel good and balanced too.
So,sorry for not being able to offer some really pertinent help with
the cordless tools David.It is just that I like knowing I have the
whole Hydro Quebec power grid punching through the line to keep me
forever entertained with my boatbuilding fun.Call me a lazy whimp :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,plugged,pleased and juiced and not always in that
order but not a bad way to start the day,either!
> I bought the Ryobi 18 volt drill in 1998 and loved it until the twodidn't work
> batteries refused to take a charge in 2000. My e-bay purchases
> out.Over the years I've had lots of cordless tools - early Milwaukee,
Makita 9.6V (still kicking after over 10 years, and use the big
flashlights constantly in the boats), Bosch, Panasonic (a present
from the love of my life - awful!), probably others as well.
I got a Ryobi 18V set at home depot a couple years ago.
$200 for:
VSR drill
5" circular saw
"sawzall"
flashight
toy vacuum
2 batteries
It all worked great for my applications - nothing really heavy or
continuous, but occassionally run the drill all day, alternating
batteries. I've got corded saws, hammer drill, etc for "real work".
But I live in 2 places, and got tired of lugging it all back and
forth all the time. So I got another set. But this time, sprang
$300 to get all the above, plus a little pruning chainsaw and
sabersaw, and various other crap. Chainsaw is quiet, and light
enough for me to climb with, but I won't be cutting firewood with it
anytime soon.
I wouldn't claim that the Ryobis will stand hard commercial use, but
they're more than enough for my weekend stuff. And the price is
certainly right - less for the whole set than I would have spent on
new Panasonic batteries and blades. And no regrets when I vacuumed
the crud out of the bottom of my gas tanks, and crazed the plastic.
(yeah, stupid I know, but it was that or suck it out with a straw!)
Never thought I could be so enthusiastic about cheap tools, but this
really is a good value for any non-pro. And I've seen replacement
batteries for about $50, and they throw in a charger and drill!
Curtis
I discovered a new mode for the cordless drill recently. One chucks up a
sanding drum and knocks off those bits that don't look like boat with a lot
less effort.
Roger
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sanding drum and knocks off those bits that don't look like boat with a lot
less effort.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
> If you are working outside or onsite, cordless tools are extremely useful.
> A cordless drill/driver is a considerable improvement over the corded
> version--particularly if you keep a spare battery on charge. But for use
> inside a shop (where I do most of my boatbuilding), I prefer a corded
> skil-saw and a corded planer to the battery versions. Both of these are
> high speed tools and both will drain batteries fairly quickly if used for
> an extended period of time. And if fooling with a cord is a problem,
> there is a lot to be said for a good old, properly adjusted, sharp hand
> tool.
If you are working outside or onsite, cordless tools are extremely useful. A cordless drill/driver is a considerable improvement over the corded version--particularly if you keep a spare battery on charge. But for use inside a shop (where I do most of my boatbuilding), I prefer a corded skil-saw and a corded planer to the battery versions. Both of these are high speed tools and both will drain batteries fairly quickly if used for an extended period of time. And if fooling with a cord is a problem, there is a lot to be said for a good old, properly adjusted, sharp hand tool.
But there are those who accuse me of being a curmudgeonly old luddite...
John T
But there are those who accuse me of being a curmudgeonly old luddite...
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Arguien
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:34 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cordless Tools Sets
I have only ever bought DeWalt brand power tools.
Alot of tools that are sold through Harbor Freight ( Ryobi, and
makita) are Asain knock offs. Not that all of them are. But I know
for a fact that most Ryobi tools sold "at a discount" are not the real
thing, and can never be repaired.
Being in the Landscape buis. and doing construction I use all my tools
( circ. saw, jig saw, sawsall, drill, hammer drill, drywall drill,
router, chop saw) ALOT. I've seen guys framing houses and being on
top of the roof joist and their circ. saw goes out. The frustration
and the time it takes to get a new one, do not justify buying cheap tools.
I routinly use my tools for purposes not defined by the manufacture.
IE cutting tin with my circ. saw, or trimming trees with a sawsall.
I've used many different brands and non can stand the abuse that
Dewalt can take.
I like to buy high end tools for another reason. The more I use a
particular tool the more I get to know it. I know that I can lay on
my back and cut upside down with my circ. saw and hold it just right
to get a perfect cut everytime. If I had to buy a new one everyonce
inawhile I would have to get used to it all over again.
Another thing...and this may seem bad. But I never, ( well almost
never) but as a rule I NEVER loan out a tool. My tools are my life
blood and I know that no one would respect them the way that I do.
Now I do let a couple of very close friends use one every once
inawhile, but they know how I am with my tools.
I've got a couple of old Millauwkee tools ( tile cutter and a hammer
drill) that are almost as old as I am (28). My dad handed them down to
me as if they where some family jewel. And in alot of ways they are.
Their beat to sh*t, scratched, and the tile cutter will give you a
shock if you don't hold it just right. But being that their from my
dad, they mean alot to me and every time I use them I think of him and
how hard of a worker he was. I want my kids to get some of my tools
when I get to old to use them.
That sounds a lil' corny, but true....
A2
( to long to proofread)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> I have found the low end tools from Harbor Freight are an excellent
way to see if I really need and use the tool!
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I have only ever bought DeWalt brand power tools.
Alot of tools that are sold through Harbor Freight ( Ryobi, and
makita) are Asain knock offs. Not that all of them are. But I know
for a fact that most Ryobi tools sold "at a discount" are not the real
thing, and can never be repaired.
Being in the Landscape buis. and doing construction I use all my tools
( circ. saw, jig saw, sawsall, drill, hammer drill, drywall drill,
router, chop saw) ALOT. I've seen guys framing houses and being on
top of the roof joist and their circ. saw goes out. The frustration
and the time it takes to get a new one, do not justify buying cheap tools.
I routinly use my tools for purposes not defined by the manufacture.
IE cutting tin with my circ. saw, or trimming trees with a sawsall.
I've used many different brands and non can stand the abuse that
Dewalt can take.
I like to buy high end tools for another reason. The more I use a
particular tool the more I get to know it. I know that I can lay on
my back and cut upside down with my circ. saw and hold it just right
to get a perfect cut everytime. If I had to buy a new one everyonce
inawhile I would have to get used to it all over again.
Another thing...and this may seem bad. But I never, ( well almost
never) but as a rule I NEVER loan out a tool. My tools are my life
blood and I know that no one would respect them the way that I do.
Now I do let a couple of very close friends use one every once
inawhile, but they know how I am with my tools.
I've got a couple of old Millauwkee tools ( tile cutter and a hammer
drill) that are almost as old as I am (28). My dad handed them down to
me as if they where some family jewel. And in alot of ways they are.
Their beat to sh*t, scratched, and the tile cutter will give you a
shock if you don't hold it just right. But being that their from my
dad, they mean alot to me and every time I use them I think of him and
how hard of a worker he was. I want my kids to get some of my tools
when I get to old to use them.
That sounds a lil' corny, but true....
A2
( to long to proofread)
Alot of tools that are sold through Harbor Freight ( Ryobi, and
makita) are Asain knock offs. Not that all of them are. But I know
for a fact that most Ryobi tools sold "at a discount" are not the real
thing, and can never be repaired.
Being in the Landscape buis. and doing construction I use all my tools
( circ. saw, jig saw, sawsall, drill, hammer drill, drywall drill,
router, chop saw) ALOT. I've seen guys framing houses and being on
top of the roof joist and their circ. saw goes out. The frustration
and the time it takes to get a new one, do not justify buying cheap tools.
I routinly use my tools for purposes not defined by the manufacture.
IE cutting tin with my circ. saw, or trimming trees with a sawsall.
I've used many different brands and non can stand the abuse that
Dewalt can take.
I like to buy high end tools for another reason. The more I use a
particular tool the more I get to know it. I know that I can lay on
my back and cut upside down with my circ. saw and hold it just right
to get a perfect cut everytime. If I had to buy a new one everyonce
inawhile I would have to get used to it all over again.
Another thing...and this may seem bad. But I never, ( well almost
never) but as a rule I NEVER loan out a tool. My tools are my life
blood and I know that no one would respect them the way that I do.
Now I do let a couple of very close friends use one every once
inawhile, but they know how I am with my tools.
I've got a couple of old Millauwkee tools ( tile cutter and a hammer
drill) that are almost as old as I am (28). My dad handed them down to
me as if they where some family jewel. And in alot of ways they are.
Their beat to sh*t, scratched, and the tile cutter will give you a
shock if you don't hold it just right. But being that their from my
dad, they mean alot to me and every time I use them I think of him and
how hard of a worker he was. I want my kids to get some of my tools
when I get to old to use them.
That sounds a lil' corny, but true....
A2
( to long to proofread)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> I have found the low end tools from Harbor Freight are an excellent
way to see if I really need and use the tool!
I have found the low end tools from Harbor Freight are an excellent way to see if I really need and use the tool!
Here's two examples:
I wanted a SawsAll style saw once when working on the Wyo and nothing else I had would do the job. I bought a low end version from HF for $29.95 versus $99.95 for a higher end version. I used it twice, the neighbor used it once over the last 2 years so it looks like it'll see minimal use in my shop and last a good long time saving about $70.00.
I bought a low end hand power planer thinking it would not get a lot of use. In fact I use it all the time and destroyed the first one in about 3 months. The original low end was $34.95 while the higher end Makita was $119.95 so I wasted $35.00 on the low end tool.
Between the two tools I'm still ahead about $35.00 even though I had to replace one.
My theory anyway.
Jeff
Here's two examples:
I wanted a SawsAll style saw once when working on the Wyo and nothing else I had would do the job. I bought a low end version from HF for $29.95 versus $99.95 for a higher end version. I used it twice, the neighbor used it once over the last 2 years so it looks like it'll see minimal use in my shop and last a good long time saving about $70.00.
I bought a low end hand power planer thinking it would not get a lot of use. In fact I use it all the time and destroyed the first one in about 3 months. The original low end was $34.95 while the higher end Makita was $119.95 so I wasted $35.00 on the low end tool.
Between the two tools I'm still ahead about $35.00 even though I had to replace one.
My theory anyway.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Derby
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Cordless Tools Sets
Just to make sure I'm not misunderstood, the cheap Chinese gadgets are
disposable items and you need enough redundancy to keep working while a
replacement arrives. That said, the only fatality I've had so far was a 4"
grinder who's cord was leaned on by a gate I'd just welded. The rubber does
not withstand hot steel and the sparks were impressive. I'll splice the
cord one of these days, but the backup works fine. Twenty dollars each.
Redundancy doesn't necessarily mean duplicates, just alternative ways of
doing the job; e.g., we bought the wrong mastic for the tile we just had put
in the entry way. While it took its week to set, we covered it with a sheet
of plywood which had to be trimmed. The cordless saw's battery ran down and
I ended up using a hand saw for the last two feet of the cut.
If I were running a business where the tools were used a lot every day by
people being paid by the hour, then I'd be looking for the lowest "life
cycle cost." That is often the best made; BUT, the worst car I ever owned
was a Mercedes 250SL sedan. Elegant, sure; but nobody could fix it and
everyone charged maintenance fees proportional to its cost.
Yes, the Makita electric block plane I use is wonderful. Some functions
need precision manufacturing, but many don't.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <arbordg@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> FBBB,
>>
>> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
>> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
>> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it
> seems clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new
> batteries.
> **********************
>
> Hi David,
>
> David @ Arbor Woodworks here.
> We use Makita 14.4 cordless drills, etc.
> a LOT. It's rare that one of my guys even fires up a corded drill
> anymore. We've been very happy with them, after 3+ years of hard use.
> If Makita went out of business, I'd think first of Bosch or DeWalt.
> The others I'd consider are: Panasonic; Milwaukee; Hitachi. Maybe:
> Porter Cable; Delta. I'd stay away from: Craftsman, because they're
> typically manufactured for Sears to lesser specs; Ryobi, because
> they're build to homeowner (lighter) specs; Harbor Freight, because
> they're built at a variety of firms/plants = no consistency. Also,
> seems to be very iffy Quality Control. One tool might go for a long
> time (even though most sound like they'll die momentarily), the next
> "same" tool might die in an hour, day, week.
>
> Trying to run a business, I don't need the uncertainty. Though, come
> to think of it, even if woodworking/boatbuilding was just a hobby, I'd
> be mightily aggravated if a tool died in the middle of a project.
> Murphy lives, and Sure As Sawdust the death would NOT be at a
> convenient time. Maybe it's my Swiss heritage, or maybe I'm just an
> impatient old fart, but I'll go with proven, high-quality tools everytime.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
be re-built yourself too! It is very important to follow
manufacturers instructions for the first few charges so that the
batteries reach a full charge.
Nels
> I've got a Craftsman 18V combo set bought at a discount because itwas
> "last year's model". As long as I keep sharp blades in the minicirc saw
> it's fine. No complaints.If it is like most Craftsman larger cordless tools, the batteries can
be re-built yourself too! It is very important to follow
manufacturers instructions for the first few charges so that the
batteries reach a full charge.
Nels
> --
Just to make sure I'm not misunderstood, the cheap Chinese gadgets are
disposable items and you need enough redundancy to keep working while a
replacement arrives. That said, the only fatality I've had so far was a 4"
grinder who's cord was leaned on by a gate I'd just welded. The rubber does
not withstand hot steel and the sparks were impressive. I'll splice the
cord one of these days, but the backup works fine. Twenty dollars each.
Redundancy doesn't necessarily mean duplicates, just alternative ways of
doing the job; e.g., we bought the wrong mastic for the tile we just had put
in the entry way. While it took its week to set, we covered it with a sheet
of plywood which had to be trimmed. The cordless saw's battery ran down and
I ended up using a hand saw for the last two feet of the cut.
If I were running a business where the tools were used a lot every day by
people being paid by the hour, then I'd be looking for the lowest "life
cycle cost." That is often the best made; BUT, the worst car I ever owned
was a Mercedes 250SL sedan. Elegant, sure; but nobody could fix it and
everyone charged maintenance fees proportional to its cost.
Yes, the Makita electric block plane I use is wonderful. Some functions
need precision manufacturing, but many don't.
Roger
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http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
disposable items and you need enough redundancy to keep working while a
replacement arrives. That said, the only fatality I've had so far was a 4"
grinder who's cord was leaned on by a gate I'd just welded. The rubber does
not withstand hot steel and the sparks were impressive. I'll splice the
cord one of these days, but the backup works fine. Twenty dollars each.
Redundancy doesn't necessarily mean duplicates, just alternative ways of
doing the job; e.g., we bought the wrong mastic for the tile we just had put
in the entry way. While it took its week to set, we covered it with a sheet
of plywood which had to be trimmed. The cordless saw's battery ran down and
I ended up using a hand saw for the last two feet of the cut.
If I were running a business where the tools were used a lot every day by
people being paid by the hour, then I'd be looking for the lowest "life
cycle cost." That is often the best made; BUT, the worst car I ever owned
was a Mercedes 250SL sedan. Elegant, sure; but nobody could fix it and
everyone charged maintenance fees proportional to its cost.
Yes, the Makita electric block plane I use is wonderful. Some functions
need precision manufacturing, but many don't.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <arbordg@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> FBBB,
>>
>> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
>> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
>> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it
> seems clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new
> batteries.
> **********************
>
> Hi David,
>
> David @ Arbor Woodworks here.
> We use Makita 14.4 cordless drills, etc.
> a LOT. It's rare that one of my guys even fires up a corded drill
> anymore. We've been very happy with them, after 3+ years of hard use.
> If Makita went out of business, I'd think first of Bosch or DeWalt.
> The others I'd consider are: Panasonic; Milwaukee; Hitachi. Maybe:
> Porter Cable; Delta. I'd stay away from: Craftsman, because they're
> typically manufactured for Sears to lesser specs; Ryobi, because
> they're build to homeowner (lighter) specs; Harbor Freight, because
> they're built at a variety of firms/plants = no consistency. Also,
> seems to be very iffy Quality Control. One tool might go for a long
> time (even though most sound like they'll die momentarily), the next
> "same" tool might die in an hour, day, week.
>
> Trying to run a business, I don't need the uncertainty. Though, come
> to think of it, even if woodworking/boatbuilding was just a hobby, I'd
> be mightily aggravated if a tool died in the middle of a project.
> Murphy lives, and Sure As Sawdust the death would NOT be at a
> convenient time. Maybe it's my Swiss heritage, or maybe I'm just an
> impatient old fart, but I'll go with proven, high-quality tools everytime.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
batteries.
Hi David,
David @ Arbor Woodworks here. We use Makita 14.4 cordless drills, etc.
a LOT. It's rare that one of my guys even fires up a corded drill
anymore. We've been very happy with them, after 3+ years of hard use.
If Makita went out of business, I'd think first of Bosch or DeWalt.
The others I'd consider are: Panasonic; Milwaukee; Hitachi. Maybe:
Porter Cable; Delta. I'd stay away from: Craftsman, because they're
typically manufactured for Sears to lesser specs; Ryobi, because
they're build to homeowner (lighter) specs; Harbor Freight, because
they're built at a variety of firms/plants = no consistency. Also,
seems to be very iffy Quality Control. One tool might go for a long
time (even though most sound like they'll die momentarily), the next
"same" tool might die in an hour, day, week.
Trying to run a business, I don't need the uncertainty. Though, come
to think of it, even if woodworking/boatbuilding was just a hobby, I'd
be mightily aggravated if a tool died in the middle of a project.
Murphy lives, and Sure As Sawdust the death would NOT be at a
convenient time. Maybe it's my Swiss heritage, or maybe I'm just an
impatient old fart, but I'll go with proven, high-quality tools everytime.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a
habit" - Aristotle
> FBBB,seems clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new
>
> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it
batteries.
>**********************
> Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any other
> opinions here in Bolger land?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
Hi David,
David @ Arbor Woodworks here. We use Makita 14.4 cordless drills, etc.
a LOT. It's rare that one of my guys even fires up a corded drill
anymore. We've been very happy with them, after 3+ years of hard use.
If Makita went out of business, I'd think first of Bosch or DeWalt.
The others I'd consider are: Panasonic; Milwaukee; Hitachi. Maybe:
Porter Cable; Delta. I'd stay away from: Craftsman, because they're
typically manufactured for Sears to lesser specs; Ryobi, because
they're build to homeowner (lighter) specs; Harbor Freight, because
they're built at a variety of firms/plants = no consistency. Also,
seems to be very iffy Quality Control. One tool might go for a long
time (even though most sound like they'll die momentarily), the next
"same" tool might die in an hour, day, week.
Trying to run a business, I don't need the uncertainty. Though, come
to think of it, even if woodworking/boatbuilding was just a hobby, I'd
be mightily aggravated if a tool died in the middle of a project.
Murphy lives, and Sure As Sawdust the death would NOT be at a
convenient time. Maybe it's my Swiss heritage, or maybe I'm just an
impatient old fart, but I'll go with proven, high-quality tools everytime.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a
habit" - Aristotle
My 18V DeWalt cordless hammer drill recently gave up the ghost and after
much deliberation; I went with the 18V Rigid. Pretty spendy, but after a
couple of months use, I am very happy with the decision. This unit has
plenty of power and seems to be well built. Time will tell of course.
Darren
much deliberation; I went with the 18V Rigid. Pretty spendy, but after a
couple of months use, I am very happy with the decision. This unit has
plenty of power and seems to be well built. Time will tell of course.
Darren
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it seems
> clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new batteries.
>
> Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any other
> opinions here in Bolger land?
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> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. IThe Makita 12V is an excellent tool, IMO. Yes the batteries
> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it seems
> clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new batteries.
> David
are expensive. I use the beta Gmail email that serves up
'context' sensitive advertising, and this is what it suggested
in response to your email.
http://www.batteryprice.com/category.aspx?SID=2&Category_ID=148
What I did, was just swallow hard, and buy two batteries for
my Makita cordless drill.
I bought the Ryobi 18 volt drill in 1998 and loved it until the two
batteries refused to take a charge in 2000. My e-bay purchases didn't work
out.
I'm now using the Chinese (Chicago Electric) stuff from Harbor Freight.
It's ugly, noisy and is NOT a "pride-and-joy" possession, but it's priced
right and it gets the job done. Look for the sale catalogs that offer
free-shipping. I bought the $130 USD assortment which gave me cut-off saw,
saber saw, flashlight, two batteries and a charger.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45803From
Ryobi, it would have bought two batteries.
I've still got my Ryobi with the thought that some day I'll buy cells, carve
open the case, and make it work again. The worry is that there are sensors
in the batteries that feed back to the charger to say whoa.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
batteries refused to take a charge in 2000. My e-bay purchases didn't work
out.
I'm now using the Chinese (Chicago Electric) stuff from Harbor Freight.
It's ugly, noisy and is NOT a "pride-and-joy" possession, but it's priced
right and it gets the job done. Look for the sale catalogs that offer
free-shipping. I bought the $130 USD assortment which gave me cut-off saw,
saber saw, flashlight, two batteries and a charger.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45803From
Ryobi, it would have bought two batteries.
I've still got my Ryobi with the thought that some day I'll buy cells, carve
open the case, and make it work again. The worry is that there are sensors
in the batteries that feed back to the charger to say whoa.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
> thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
> destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it seems
> clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new batteries.
>
> Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any other
> opinions here in Bolger land?
I've used the Ryobi 18v combo set for years. I liked it so much that I went
out to ebay and bought another drill. charger and battery packs. Now I have
5 batteries and two charger and can drill all day long, without running out
of power or needing to change bits from pilot drill to screw driver bit.
Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Member, Boating Writers International
pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
www.smallcraftadvisor.com
www.captnpauley.com
out to ebay and bought another drill. charger and battery packs. Now I have
5 batteries and two charger and can drill all day long, without running out
of power or needing to change bits from pilot drill to screw driver bit.
Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Member, Boating Writers International
pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
www.smallcraftadvisor.com
www.captnpauley.com
>Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any otherI've got a Craftsman 18V combo set bought at a discount because it was
>opinions here in Bolger land?
"last year's model". As long as I keep sharp blades in the mini circ saw
it's fine. No complaints.
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FBBB,
Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it seems
clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new batteries.
Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any other
opinions here in Bolger land?
YIBB,
David
Well the batteries on my Makita 12v cordless gave up the ghost. I
thought I'd re-cell them, but couldn't get the cases apart without
destroying them, and from the way their pricing replacements, it seems
clear they'd rather sell me another drill than sell me new batteries.
Our esteemed John Cupp gives the Delta combo set high marks, any other
opinions here in Bolger land?
YIBB,
David