[bolger] Don't look down
BO>Hi -
BO>Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
BO>design.
BO>Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
Nope--had far, far, far too much experience of them on land. CLimatic
variation is a major consideration too....
Tim & Flying Tadpole
BO>Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
BO>design.
BO>Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
Nope--had far, far, far too much experience of them on land. CLimatic
variation is a major consideration too....
Tim & Flying Tadpole
The toilet is made by Sealand. The model is the Traveler 510 or 910. A
good description is at www.marksrv.com/sealand.htm
"mike stockstill" <mkstock-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4063
good description is at www.marksrv.com/sealand.htm
"mike stockstill" <mkstock-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4063
> Hi Fritz -
>
> Yes, please do.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mike
>
>
> "fritz koschmann" <fritzdf-@...> wrote:
>
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4061
> > This toilet does require minimal amount
> > of flush water. I dont have model number or manufacturer but will
> > provide it if anyone wants that information.
> >
>
>
Hi Fritz -
Yes, please do.
Thank you.
Mike
"fritz koschmann" <fritzdf-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4061
Yes, please do.
Thank you.
Mike
"fritz koschmann" <fritzdf-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4061
> This toilet does require minimal amount
> of flush water. I dont have model number or manufacturer but will
> provide it if anyone wants that information.
>
The Double Eagle design calls for that system. Yes as designed it is a
holding tank with a tight sealing toilet seat on the top of the tank
and forced ventilation. Bolger had designed a rather tall and narrow
tank for the head. I talked to Peggy Hall (marine head guru) and she
was concerned about the tank shape. Tall and narrow limits oxygen
interaction with tank contents. Low and wide is far preferrable. Tall
and narrow - anaerobic, low and wide-aerobic. Anaerobic equals bad
smell. Another suggestion was a toilet designed to mount directly on
top of a holding tank so there are no waste hoses. Also you can look
down, only looks like a toilet. This toilet does require minimal amount
of flush water. I dont have model number or manufacturer but will
provide it if anyone wants that information.
Fritz Koschmann
"mike stockstill" <mkstock-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4013
holding tank with a tight sealing toilet seat on the top of the tank
and forced ventilation. Bolger had designed a rather tall and narrow
tank for the head. I talked to Peggy Hall (marine head guru) and she
was concerned about the tank shape. Tall and narrow limits oxygen
interaction with tank contents. Low and wide is far preferrable. Tall
and narrow - anaerobic, low and wide-aerobic. Anaerobic equals bad
smell. Another suggestion was a toilet designed to mount directly on
top of a holding tank so there are no waste hoses. Also you can look
down, only looks like a toilet. This toilet does require minimal amount
of flush water. I dont have model number or manufacturer but will
provide it if anyone wants that information.
Fritz Koschmann
"mike stockstill" <mkstock-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=4013
> Hi --7
>
> Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
> design.
>
> Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
> ps
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0916291456/qid%3D954341016/102
> 523199-3914408
>
No, it is an honest to goodness holding tank. The hole is sealed when
you are not on it, and you just plop right into the tank when you are
on it. It gets emptied in the conventional manner. The benefit is no
parts to break down. An exhaust fan pulls the odor out elsewhere so
that it does not affect you when sitting on it.
I just wondered if anyone has actually tried this out - sounds like
perhaps not..
thanks!
Mike
you are not on it, and you just plop right into the tank when you are
on it. It gets emptied in the conventional manner. The benefit is no
parts to break down. An exhaust fan pulls the odor out elsewhere so
that it does not affect you when sitting on it.
I just wondered if anyone has actually tried this out - sounds like
perhaps not..
thanks!
Mike
> >Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in thevery
> >design.
> >-endsnip-
> >
> >I assume that PCB is referring to the tried-and-true bucket, works
> >well,
>From: "Behrendt, Tom" <Tom.Behrendt@...>The following site has a interesting write up on marine santitation
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@...
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Don't look down
>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:11 -0600
>
>
>-snip-
>Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
>design.
>-endsnip-
>
>I assume that PCB is referring to the tried-and-true bucket, works very
>well,
>in lieu of a backstay (pun intended). Chappelle himself recomends a cedar
>bucket, so ya can't get much more traditional.
>
>The disadvantages are pretty obvious, although putting the whole rig inside
>of
>a box with a seat eliminates some of these (and sitting is better than
>squatting over the darn thing). The advantages are simplicity, of course,
>and
>the fact that heaving the contents over the side is perfectly legal
>(ethical
>and moral are antoher story). As we all know, hjolding the same contents in
>a
>tank and then pumping them over the side is very illegal. However, you
>will
>probably run afoul ('nother pun) of LOCAL law by heaving it over the side
>if
>you are sailing within the jurisdiction of any state or municipal
>authority,
>only FEDERAL law allows direct discharge of buckets. (note that this is for
>the
>U.S., dunno about overseas). To avoid the whole mess (haha), I think you're
>better off with a porta-pottie which you can then discharge at any flush
>toilet
>on land, just make sure to do it every day or two (which makes this
>solution
>useless for true cruisers). Personally, as I wrote before, this is one of
>the
>few occasions in which you really miss backstays on Bolger's boats....
>
>Tom B.
>
>
>
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http://boatbuilding.com/content/sanitation.html
It goes through all of the leagal and technical aspects. And according to
this source it is illegal to dump a bucket over board by international laws.
Michael Surface
______________________________________________________
-snip-
Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
design.
-endsnip-
I assume that PCB is referring to the tried-and-true bucket, works very well,
in lieu of a backstay (pun intended). Chappelle himself recomends a cedar
bucket, so ya can't get much more traditional.
The disadvantages are pretty obvious, although putting the whole rig inside of
a box with a seat eliminates some of these (and sitting is better than
squatting over the darn thing). The advantages are simplicity, of course, and
the fact that heaving the contents over the side is perfectly legal (ethical
and moral are antoher story). As we all know, hjolding the same contents in a
tank and then pumping them over the side is very illegal. However, you will
probably run afoul ('nother pun) of LOCAL law by heaving it over the side if
you are sailing within the jurisdiction of any state or municipal authority,
only FEDERAL law allows direct discharge of buckets. (note that this is for the
U.S., dunno about overseas). To avoid the whole mess (haha), I think you're
better off with a porta-pottie which you can then discharge at any flush toilet
on land, just make sure to do it every day or two (which makes this solution
useless for true cruisers). Personally, as I wrote before, this is one of the
few occasions in which you really miss backstays on Bolger's boats....
Tom B.
Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
design.
-endsnip-
I assume that PCB is referring to the tried-and-true bucket, works very well,
in lieu of a backstay (pun intended). Chappelle himself recomends a cedar
bucket, so ya can't get much more traditional.
The disadvantages are pretty obvious, although putting the whole rig inside of
a box with a seat eliminates some of these (and sitting is better than
squatting over the darn thing). The advantages are simplicity, of course, and
the fact that heaving the contents over the side is perfectly legal (ethical
and moral are antoher story). As we all know, hjolding the same contents in a
tank and then pumping them over the side is very illegal. However, you will
probably run afoul ('nother pun) of LOCAL law by heaving it over the side if
you are sailing within the jurisdiction of any state or municipal authority,
only FEDERAL law allows direct discharge of buckets. (note that this is for the
U.S., dunno about overseas). To avoid the whole mess (haha), I think you're
better off with a porta-pottie which you can then discharge at any flush toilet
on land, just make sure to do it every day or two (which makes this solution
useless for true cruisers). Personally, as I wrote before, this is one of the
few occasions in which you really miss backstays on Bolger's boats....
Tom B.
Not really but don't expect it to be accepable if you intend to have females
on board.
on board.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Stockstill [SMTP:mkstocks@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:44 AM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] Don't look down
>
> Hi -
>
> Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
> design.
>
> Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
> ps
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0916291456/qid%3D954341016/102-7
> 523199-3914408
>
>
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Hi -
Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
design.
Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
Thanks.
Mike
ps
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0916291456/qid%3D954341016/102-7
523199-3914408
Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
design.
Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
Thanks.
Mike
ps
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0916291456/qid%3D954341016/102-7
523199-3914408
Mike,
Ive used one on a multihull bridgrdeck. For the squeamish
you insert a stainless steel bucket then tow it for a while.
Simple, effective, nothing breaks, great!!
A waterproof wooden cover could be clamped
over it in severe conditions, during which it became a bidet!
Jeff Gilbert
Ive used one on a multihull bridgrdeck. For the squeamish
you insert a stainless steel bucket then tow it for a while.
Simple, effective, nothing breaks, great!!
A waterproof wooden cover could be clamped
over it in severe conditions, during which it became a bidet!
Jeff Gilbert
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Stockstill <mkstocks@...>>>>
Some of the PB&F designs call for a "don't look down" toilet in the
design.
Does anyone have experience with one of these in their boat?
Mike