Re: [bolger] Re: Topaz
Peter, I am the worlds dumbest photographer. I took
pictures in the keys: when I got them developed I
realized the were from inside the boat looking
out--nothing useful to this group. I did get a picute
of her last month from the terrace of the Tides Inn in
Irvington, Virginia, near the mouth of the
Rappahannock River, at thier dock, looking like a toy
amidst the yachts (I stopped to use the 'phone only--I
think the room rate is about $200 per night.) Sam
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pictures in the keys: when I got them developed I
realized the were from inside the boat looking
out--nothing useful to this group. I did get a picute
of her last month from the terrace of the Tides Inn in
Irvington, Virginia, near the mouth of the
Rappahannock River, at thier dock, looking like a toy
amidst the yachts (I stopped to use the 'phone only--I
think the room rate is about $200 per night.) Sam
> But Sam.....what about that wonderful trip down to__________________________________
> Florida?!!? No
> pictures from then? :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter,the picture hungry fool,Lenihan,from along the
> shores of the
> St.Lawrence...........
>
>
>
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Rav, wide stern v. narrow stern really depends on what
speed you intend her for. She will squat a little, if
enough power is put to her. If you plan on cruising
above ten kts it might be worth waiting for the wide
stern mod. If you are mostly after displacement
speed, I would definitely keep the original, and the
same for semi-d up to around 10 kts. To me, one of
the best things about Topaz is the double-ender look,
and I suspect that will diminish with the wide stern.
If it were me, I would ask Mr. Bolger how long it will
be before the mod is available, and maybe offer to pay
for a quick sketch of what it will look like--it is
always nice to have the option. At any rate, the
level of squatting is not so pronounced to cause real
problems, at any speed I have run. I have the 50
4-stroke Yamaha called for in the plans. It is a
great motor, expensive to buy but cheap to run.
As far as maneuverability, no problems. The boat
pivots on her cutwater, about 1/3 of her length back.
She is amazingly nimble. This was one of my concerns
as well, and I have been delighted with her
handling/maneuverability. She will blow down wind
somewhat, with her big house and shallow hull, so you
have to apply some poser to put her into the wind from
a standing start, but this problem is less serious
than I had anticipated as well.
The boat is sensitive to moving ballast side to side
(not fore and aft) but has no stability problems that
I have seen. The house and roof are light compared to
the hull.
With respect to plumbing and electrical, I have kept
it simple--standard twelve volt lighting and
porta-potti in the head. The windows caused me a lot
of thinking, plus advice from this group. I think I
came up with a good option using shock-cord hinges.
If you are going to build, I'll be happy to get you a
sketch.
I am in Lewes, Delaware, just a healthy day's drive
from Jax. If you want a ride, come on up. I had her
on Florida Bay in August, went through Jacksonville
with the boat on a trailer, coming and going. If I
had known you were interested, I'd have been happy to
have an excuse to run her in the St. Johns, which is a
cruise I have wanted to make since I read The Yearling
30-odd years ago. Good Luck. Sam
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speed you intend her for. She will squat a little, if
enough power is put to her. If you plan on cruising
above ten kts it might be worth waiting for the wide
stern mod. If you are mostly after displacement
speed, I would definitely keep the original, and the
same for semi-d up to around 10 kts. To me, one of
the best things about Topaz is the double-ender look,
and I suspect that will diminish with the wide stern.
If it were me, I would ask Mr. Bolger how long it will
be before the mod is available, and maybe offer to pay
for a quick sketch of what it will look like--it is
always nice to have the option. At any rate, the
level of squatting is not so pronounced to cause real
problems, at any speed I have run. I have the 50
4-stroke Yamaha called for in the plans. It is a
great motor, expensive to buy but cheap to run.
As far as maneuverability, no problems. The boat
pivots on her cutwater, about 1/3 of her length back.
She is amazingly nimble. This was one of my concerns
as well, and I have been delighted with her
handling/maneuverability. She will blow down wind
somewhat, with her big house and shallow hull, so you
have to apply some poser to put her into the wind from
a standing start, but this problem is less serious
than I had anticipated as well.
The boat is sensitive to moving ballast side to side
(not fore and aft) but has no stability problems that
I have seen. The house and roof are light compared to
the hull.
With respect to plumbing and electrical, I have kept
it simple--standard twelve volt lighting and
porta-potti in the head. The windows caused me a lot
of thinking, plus advice from this group. I think I
came up with a good option using shock-cord hinges.
If you are going to build, I'll be happy to get you a
sketch.
I am in Lewes, Delaware, just a healthy day's drive
from Jax. If you want a ride, come on up. I had her
on Florida Bay in August, went through Jacksonville
with the boat on a trailer, coming and going. If I
had known you were interested, I'd have been happy to
have an excuse to run her in the St. Johns, which is a
cruise I have wanted to make since I read The Yearling
30-odd years ago. Good Luck. Sam
--- ravenouspi <ravenous@...> wrote:
> In the meantime, I have a question list.__________________________________________________
> How does she turn? Have you had any difficulty in
> with manuevering
> such a long thin boat?
> What about side to side movement?
> How badly does she dig in at the stern at higher
> speeds?
> What size type of motor did you use?
> What type of windows did you build? Ventilation?
> What about Plumbing and Electrical?
>
>
>
>
>
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wrote:
pictures from then? :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,the picture hungry fool,Lenihan,from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence...........
wrote:
> SundayBut Sam.....what about that wonderful trip down to Florida?!!? No
> I am taking my daughter and some friends out for a
> birthday cruise--I'l try to take some pictures then.
> Sam
pictures from then? :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,the picture hungry fool,Lenihan,from along the shores of the
St.Lawrence...........
Sam wrote:
one of my cameras from Christmas.
But I can't be the only guy on this group who would love to see your
boat inside and out. I have looked at the two other examples of the
Topaz on the internet (Brad Raby's and that other one from Florida)
They have a lot of great pictures that have provided me many hours
of anticipatory daydreams and planning details. But I have
absolutely seen all there is to see in those pictures.
Maybe I need to see one in person.
How far are you from Jacksonville, Fla?
In the meantime, I have a question list.
How does she turn? Have you had any difficulty in with manuevering
such a long thin boat?
What about side to side movement?
How badly does she dig in at the stern at higher speeds?
What size type of motor did you use?
What type of windows did you build? Ventilation?
What about Plumbing and Electrical?
I am especially interested in the side to side motion and digging in
of the stern, as I am trying to decide if I should wait for the
Bolger update of the Topaz plan which suggests a wider transom
stern. Or if I should just build the original plan.
Any thoughts?
Rav
> Rav, sorry it has taken so long to answer--INot necessary, we all know how it goes. I still have pictures in
one of my cameras from Christmas.
But I can't be the only guy on this group who would love to see your
boat inside and out. I have looked at the two other examples of the
Topaz on the internet (Brad Raby's and that other one from Florida)
They have a lot of great pictures that have provided me many hours
of anticipatory daydreams and planning details. But I have
absolutely seen all there is to see in those pictures.
Maybe I need to see one in person.
How far are you from Jacksonville, Fla?
In the meantime, I have a question list.
How does she turn? Have you had any difficulty in with manuevering
such a long thin boat?
What about side to side movement?
How badly does she dig in at the stern at higher speeds?
What size type of motor did you use?
What type of windows did you build? Ventilation?
What about Plumbing and Electrical?
I am especially interested in the side to side motion and digging in
of the stern, as I am trying to decide if I should wait for the
Bolger update of the Topaz plan which suggests a wider transom
stern. Or if I should just build the original plan.
Any thoughts?
Rav
Rav, sorry it has taken so long to answer--I
keptthinking I would answer with the pictures. Sunday
I am taking my daughter and some friends out for a
birthday cruise--I'l try to take some pictures then.
Sam
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keptthinking I would answer with the pictures. Sunday
I am taking my daughter and some friends out for a
birthday cruise--I'l try to take some pictures then.
Sam
--- ravenouspi <ravenous@...> wrote:
>__________________________________
> Hey Sam,
> when can you get a few snapshots of your Topaz
> posted?
> She doesn't have to be in the water or anything.
> How about some
> interior pictures?
>
> Pleeeeeeeease?
>
> Rav
>
>
>
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My Diablo is going on close to 20 years now. I have replaced the
luan ply transom that delaminated, However, I just discovered that
Frame C is rotting and delaminating as well. totally my fault as I
let rain water sit in it for extended periods of time, and have not
cleaned it out much over the years. It is truly a utility boat with
utility paint. This will be fairly easy to fix with a dremel tool
and new ply. I will probably glass the surfaes as well as this
time. The boat might make it to 40 years with some more carefully
applied glue and paint.
I use a 9.9 longshaft Johnson two stroke and it gets up on plane
readily with two average people on board. In an experiment with a
four stroke, the extra weight prohibited planing. Weight on the
transom is a bad thing. A 2 stroke 15 would be perfect! The boat
would truly scream.
sounds like a good project for tomorrow. I may even paint the
insides before putting her away for the winter. (One last seal
cruise is possible off Chatham!)
Just a quick thought...make it a habit to spray some bee killer on a
regular basis into the cavaties of the boat as these make great
habitats for bees and wasps.
David Jost
luan ply transom that delaminated, However, I just discovered that
Frame C is rotting and delaminating as well. totally my fault as I
let rain water sit in it for extended periods of time, and have not
cleaned it out much over the years. It is truly a utility boat with
utility paint. This will be fairly easy to fix with a dremel tool
and new ply. I will probably glass the surfaes as well as this
time. The boat might make it to 40 years with some more carefully
applied glue and paint.
I use a 9.9 longshaft Johnson two stroke and it gets up on plane
readily with two average people on board. In an experiment with a
four stroke, the extra weight prohibited planing. Weight on the
transom is a bad thing. A 2 stroke 15 would be perfect! The boat
would truly scream.
sounds like a good project for tomorrow. I may even paint the
insides before putting her away for the winter. (One last seal
cruise is possible off Chatham!)
Just a quick thought...make it a habit to spray some bee killer on a
regular basis into the cavaties of the boat as these make great
habitats for bees and wasps.
David Jost
Thanks all for your answers.
OK I will install the tank foward, for better distribution of the weight. A
yamaha 2 stroke 25hp is 52kg, so I think my old Honda would be ok. And I
will fill with foam the back seats. In a few weeks I will publish some
photos of the process. Regards, Máximo.
> I've had no trouble with my "Diabla", no bottom flex, no swampings."Diabla", beautiful name, I think I will borrow/stole it!
> Nice power boat with croud appeal.
OK I will install the tank foward, for better distribution of the weight. A
yamaha 2 stroke 25hp is 52kg, so I think my old Honda would be ok. And I
will fill with foam the back seats. In a few weeks I will publish some
photos of the process. Regards, Máximo.
I've had no trouble with my "Diabla", no bottom flex, no swampings.
Nice power boat with croud appeal.
I built in a floatation chamber in the bow, under a storage area and
partial deck for extra safety. With an 18 she flies, a 9.9 is great.
Bruce Hector
Construction pics at
http://www.brucesboats.com
Nice power boat with croud appeal.
I built in a floatation chamber in the bow, under a storage area and
partial deck for extra safety. With an 18 she flies, a 9.9 is great.
Bruce Hector
Construction pics at
http://www.brucesboats.com
Hey Sam,
when can you get a few snapshots of your Topaz posted?
She doesn't have to be in the water or anything. How about some
interior pictures?
Pleeeeeeeease?
Rav
when can you get a few snapshots of your Topaz posted?
She doesn't have to be in the water or anything. How about some
interior pictures?
Pleeeeeeeease?
Rav
Hola, Maximo.
If you are going to use a tiller-controlled motor, you
will be sitting in the stern, and I would suggest
putting the tank forward, for better trim. I have not
built Diablo, but have been told that the floor as
designed is a little light, and tends to flex at
planing speeds. The 17mm plywood ought to help this,
if it will take the bend required by the bottom
rocker. Good luck. Sam
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If you are going to use a tiller-controlled motor, you
will be sitting in the stern, and I would suggest
putting the tank forward, for better trim. I have not
built Diablo, but have been told that the floor as
designed is a little light, and tends to flex at
planing speeds. The 17mm plywood ought to help this,
if it will take the bend required by the bottom
rocker. Good luck. Sam
--- Grupos <grupos@...> wrote:
> Hello all!!! I will hopefully start building with a__________________________________
> friend a Diablo. I have
> a few questions for you:
>
> - Where do you put the gas tank?
>
> - Do you think the transom will support an old (1979
> aprox) Honda 10hp
> (B100L) 4 stroke, about 50kg (110 lb)?
>
> - In a local shop we have a very special sale of 4x8
> foot plywood, but in
> 5.2mm and 17mm, instead of 6mm and 12mm (1/4 and
> 1/2"). Do you think this
> would be a big problem for Diablo?
>
> - In the plans, the stern seats you could read
> "about 2 cubic feet buoyancy
> foam". Is this filling complete this seats with
> foam? I saw in a few
> websites that everybody is using this seats as
> lockers.
>
> - With this buoyancy, will Diablo float when capsize
> of totally full of
> water?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, M�ximo.
>
>
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Hi Máximo,
I've not built a Diablo (devil in English, as you say) but can refer
to the plans in Payson's book.
The gas tank could sit on the bottom of the boat. It looks like it
would fit under the aft thwart. If the fuel hose is long enough it
could even be put forward of the thwart.
Max. hp recommended is 25. You could check the weight of a 25hp 2-
stroke and see what it weighs compared to your Honda. However, the
limit would not so much be a weight limit, but a limit on the power
the hull could take safely.
I would not be very happy to deviate from 6mm and 12mm ply or, as
designed 6.35mm and 12.7mm.
The foam is placed in the stern quarters because, according to the
designer, the most common cause of boats like this capsizing is when
people are in the stern attending to the motor. Water comes over one
of the corners, just where the foam is placed. So I would want to
have the foam there. There's plenty of room elsewhere to store
objects.
Because it's made of wood, the boat, without engine, crew and fuel
tank would float, without the foam buoyancy. Four cu. ft. of foam
provides 256 lb (gross) of buoyancy. This should comfortably support
the engine and fuel tank, and it's placed just where it's needed to
support the weight of the engine.
Howard
I've not built a Diablo (devil in English, as you say) but can refer
to the plans in Payson's book.
The gas tank could sit on the bottom of the boat. It looks like it
would fit under the aft thwart. If the fuel hose is long enough it
could even be put forward of the thwart.
Max. hp recommended is 25. You could check the weight of a 25hp 2-
stroke and see what it weighs compared to your Honda. However, the
limit would not so much be a weight limit, but a limit on the power
the hull could take safely.
I would not be very happy to deviate from 6mm and 12mm ply or, as
designed 6.35mm and 12.7mm.
The foam is placed in the stern quarters because, according to the
designer, the most common cause of boats like this capsizing is when
people are in the stern attending to the motor. Water comes over one
of the corners, just where the foam is placed. So I would want to
have the foam there. There's plenty of room elsewhere to store
objects.
Because it's made of wood, the boat, without engine, crew and fuel
tank would float, without the foam buoyancy. Four cu. ft. of foam
provides 256 lb (gross) of buoyancy. This should comfortably support
the engine and fuel tank, and it's placed just where it's needed to
support the weight of the engine.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Grupos <grupos@p...> wrote:
> Hello all!!! I will hopefully start building with a friend a
Diablo. I have
> a few questions for you:
>
> - Where do you put the gas tank?
>
> - Do you think the transom will support an old (1979 aprox) Honda
10hp
> (B100L) 4 stroke, about 50kg (110 lb)?
>
> - In a local shop we have a very special sale of 4x8 foot plywood,
but in
> 5.2mm and 17mm, instead of 6mm and 12mm (1/4 and 1/2"). Do you
think this
> would be a big problem for Diablo?
>
> - In the plans, the stern seats you could read "about 2 cubic feet
buoyancy
> foam". Is this filling complete this seats with foam? I saw in a few
> websites that everybody is using this seats as lockers.
>
> - With this buoyancy, will Diablo float when capsize of totally
full of
> water?
Hello all!!! I will hopefully start building with a friend a Diablo. I have
a few questions for you:
- Where do you put the gas tank?
- Do you think the transom will support an old (1979 aprox) Honda 10hp
(B100L) 4 stroke, about 50kg (110 lb)?
- In a local shop we have a very special sale of 4x8 foot plywood, but in
5.2mm and 17mm, instead of 6mm and 12mm (1/4 and 1/2"). Do you think this
would be a big problem for Diablo?
- In the plans, the stern seats you could read "about 2 cubic feet buoyancy
foam". Is this filling complete this seats with foam? I saw in a few
websites that everybody is using this seats as lockers.
- With this buoyancy, will Diablo float when capsize of totally full of
water?
Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Máximo.
a few questions for you:
- Where do you put the gas tank?
- Do you think the transom will support an old (1979 aprox) Honda 10hp
(B100L) 4 stroke, about 50kg (110 lb)?
- In a local shop we have a very special sale of 4x8 foot plywood, but in
5.2mm and 17mm, instead of 6mm and 12mm (1/4 and 1/2"). Do you think this
would be a big problem for Diablo?
- In the plans, the stern seats you could read "about 2 cubic feet buoyancy
foam". Is this filling complete this seats with foam? I saw in a few
websites that everybody is using this seats as lockers.
- With this buoyancy, will Diablo float when capsize of totally full of
water?
Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Máximo.