Re: [bolger] Re: work skiff or boston whaler type boat?
OR, modify a design carefully and
THEN get the plans for a proven design and
LEARN what you forgot or didn't understand. (or pat yourself on the back for
having done it right)
Roger (Am I the only one old enough to remember Tom Lehrer's song
"Plagiarize?")
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THEN get the plans for a proven design and
LEARN what you forgot or didn't understand. (or pat yourself on the back for
having done it right)
Roger (Am I the only one old enough to remember Tom Lehrer's song
"Plagiarize?")
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "donschultz8275" <donschultz@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gill" <stevepgill@c...> wrote:
>> 1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
>> beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
>http://www.oldwharf.com/ow_workskiffs.html
> The Old Wharf LYS comes in the size and with the attributes you want.
> I would avoid modifying a design when you can get what you want
> already properly engineered and proven.
>
> You've also been pointed at Bolger's Work Skiff on Payson's site. I
> consider the Bolger and the Old Warf to be rugged capable designs
> which can be built to plans and definitely will perform.
A couple more ideas:
There is Jimbo, a 15'9" s+g Garvey. To find it, go to
http://www.glenl.com/and follow the menus. There are also plans for
construction in aluminum.
There is a nice-looking 16' s+g garvey at
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/GF16_study.htm
Howard
There is Jimbo, a 15'9" s+g Garvey. To find it, go to
http://www.glenl.com/and follow the menus. There are also plans for
construction in aluminum.
There is a nice-looking 16' s+g garvey at
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/GF16_study.htm
Howard
donschultz@...wrote:
Bruce Fountain
Systems Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gill" <stevepgill@c...> wrote:... except that the oldwharf design doesn't seem to be s&g.
> > 1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
> > beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
>
> Steve,
>
>http://www.oldwharf.com/ow_workskiffs.html
>
> The Old Wharf LYS comes in the size and with the attributes you want.
> I would avoid modifying a design when you can get what you want
> already properly engineered and proven.
Bruce Fountain
Systems Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gill" <stevepgill@c...> wrote:
http://www.oldwharf.com/ow_workskiffs.html
The Old Wharf LYS comes in the size and with the attributes you want.
I would avoid modifying a design when you can get what you want
already properly engineered and proven.
You've also been pointed at Bolger's Work Skiff on Payson's site. I
consider the Bolger and the Old Warf to be rugged capable designs
which can be built to plans and definitely will perform.
>Steve,
> Hello,
> I am new to this site. I have a couple of questions.
>
> 1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
> beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
>
http://www.oldwharf.com/ow_workskiffs.html
The Old Wharf LYS comes in the size and with the attributes you want.
I would avoid modifying a design when you can get what you want
already properly engineered and proven.
You've also been pointed at Bolger's Work Skiff on Payson's site. I
consider the Bolger and the Old Warf to be rugged capable designs
which can be built to plans and definitely will perform.
If you look under powerboats here:
http://www.boatplans-online.com/
there are several garveys and punts, including a couple designed for
the Whaler crowd.
http://www.boatplans-online.com/
there are several garveys and punts, including a couple designed for
the Whaler crowd.
Hi Steve,
As a boat for aquaculture research, I'd reckon the Clam Skiff would
be hard to beat. It is fairly narrow for its length but, because
there is no flare to its sides, it would be very stable. It is
heavily constructed and should stand a grounding without too much
risk of serious damage.
Skimmer is designed as an easily-built fun boat. Scaling it up as you
suggest brings you into uncharted territory. Who knows how it will
perform? It will have about 3-1/2 times the volume of the original
design. You would have to re-think how to build it: new thickness and
panel-joint placement for the plywood, new dimensions for the
timbers, new seating arrangements, a proper structural arrangement
for supporting the bottom, sides etc.
Another design that might suit you is Jim Michalak's Jonsboat. Have a
look at:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/jonsboat/index.htm
If you hunt around on the web you will find plans for other jonboats.
I'd prefer to have a little more height to the sides than the
Michalak boat.
Howard
As a boat for aquaculture research, I'd reckon the Clam Skiff would
be hard to beat. It is fairly narrow for its length but, because
there is no flare to its sides, it would be very stable. It is
heavily constructed and should stand a grounding without too much
risk of serious damage.
Skimmer is designed as an easily-built fun boat. Scaling it up as you
suggest brings you into uncharted territory. Who knows how it will
perform? It will have about 3-1/2 times the volume of the original
design. You would have to re-think how to build it: new thickness and
panel-joint placement for the plywood, new dimensions for the
timbers, new seating arrangements, a proper structural arrangement
for supporting the bottom, sides etc.
Another design that might suit you is Jim Michalak's Jonsboat. Have a
look at:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/jonsboat/index.htm
If you hunt around on the web you will find plans for other jonboats.
I'd prefer to have a little more height to the sides than the
Michalak boat.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gill" <stevepgill@c...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Yes I am interested in Payson's "Skimmer". But what happens if I
> stretch the design booth ways. Say from the 8' length to 12' length
> from the 4' width to the 5' to 6' width. What are the changes to
the
> dynamics of the boat and what do I need to add to the design
> structure? Will it be safe and will it turn?
Hello,
Yes I am interested in Payson's "Skimmer". But what happens if I
stretch the design booth ways. Say from the 8' length to 12' length
from the 4' width to the 5' to 6' width. What are the changes to the
dynamics of the boat and what do I need to add to the design
structure? Will it be safe and will it turn?
Best Regards,
Steve Gill
Yes I am interested in Payson's "Skimmer". But what happens if I
stretch the design booth ways. Say from the 8' length to 12' length
from the 4' width to the 5' to 6' width. What are the changes to the
dynamics of the boat and what do I need to add to the design
structure? Will it be safe and will it turn?
Best Regards,
Steve Gill
The work skiff and clam skiff at Payson's
http://www.instantboats.com
available in two lengths, beamy and very stable.
Bolger's Skimmer, which he called the "Poor man's Boston Whaler" is
on Payson's site. Only 8 feet long, it can be easily stretched to 10,
12, 14.
John Welsford's Trover at Duckworks at:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
Also searching through the Duckworks design section will show you
dozens of skiffs.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Off to Montreal today to see Peter Lenihan's progress on Windemere,
sink a few brewskis, and gorge on barbequed meat at Milsa. Yes, I'm
taking my camera.
http://www.instantboats.com
available in two lengths, beamy and very stable.
Bolger's Skimmer, which he called the "Poor man's Boston Whaler" is
on Payson's site. Only 8 feet long, it can be easily stretched to 10,
12, 14.
John Welsford's Trover at Duckworks at:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
Also searching through the Duckworks design section will show you
dozens of skiffs.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
Off to Montreal today to see Peter Lenihan's progress on Windemere,
sink a few brewskis, and gorge on barbequed meat at Milsa. Yes, I'm
taking my camera.
Steve--Try HH Payson's web site. He sells Bolger plans for a "Clam Skiff", a slightly smaller version, and something called "Skimmer", a poor man's whaler.
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gill
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:17 AM
Subject: [bolger] work skiff or boston whaler type boat?
Hello,
I am new to this site. I have a couple of questions.
1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
2 Are there stitch and sew knock offs or similar designs to the 13 to
15 foot Boston Whaler type boats?
I have searched the archive but it is bewildering with the amount of
information here, my apologies if these are redundant questions.
What I need is a boat for aquaculure research that is easy to build.
Best Regards,
Steve Gill
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Hello,
I am new to this site. I have a couple of questions.
1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
2 Are there stitch and sew knock offs or similar designs to the 13 to
15 foot Boston Whaler type boats?
I have searched the archive but it is bewildering with the amount of
information here, my apologies if these are redundant questions.
What I need is a boat for aquaculure research that is easy to build.
Best Regards,
Steve Gill
I am new to this site. I have a couple of questions.
1 Does anyone have any leads to good plans for a stitch and glue wide
beam work skiff? 14' to 17'.
2 Are there stitch and sew knock offs or similar designs to the 13 to
15 foot Boston Whaler type boats?
I have searched the archive but it is bewildering with the amount of
information here, my apologies if these are redundant questions.
What I need is a boat for aquaculure research that is easy to build.
Best Regards,
Steve Gill