Re: [bolger] Re: Rainy day Birdwatcher [was Birdwatcher Info]
I'd bet the view will be better than you think.. The analogy with your model would be looking out through the windows of a plastic model car compared to sitting in a real life car of the same make... It's different in real life scale...
Hard hatches... What Bolger does with Jochems schooner looks sorta like a bifold door. The perimeter overhangs the slot framing and the mid doors gap is waterproofed by a foam strip that gets pinched when the hatch is closed. The Jochem's slot is divided into several, (I think 3) sections with decking between. If you did that on Birdwatcher you'd lose the ability to stroll standing-up from one end of the cabin to the other...Plus you'll need to have the cabintop space that the door folds over on clear.
Happy boatbuilding...
Rick
Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Rick,
I have been distracted from boats for a couple of days, but wanted to get
back with a couple of thoughts. First, many thanks for the offer to
experience the Jewbox Jr. I have not been on (or seen) any of the BW types,
and it would be a good thing to do. Realisically, however, it is a bit more
of a trip than could happen soon. I may call on you, if an opportunity to
get down your way should arise.
Also, I didn't mean to sound like I only sail in the rain!! We even attempt
to avoid it. Never the less, it has happened quite a bit. We really like
to go to Puget Sound/San Juans or to the lower Columbia R. For various
reasons, including crowd reduction, this most often happens in September or
October. Rain and wind seem to be part of this, sometimes. The wind part
can be great!
Getting back to the boat, right after I got the BW-2 plans, I built a 16:1
model. It is open on one side, so I can peer forward from the aft
compartment. I don't think this view is nearly as good as that of as JB
Jr. BW-2 (and BW) has you looking through 10 feet of boat, a frame or two,
and then the Lexan is at an angle on the sides. The good view is through
the slot, at least if the jib is not in the way. I think the JB avoids
that obstruction, as does the very original BW. It beats not having the
windows, but it there is stuff in the way.
I found all the comments on hatches, including Bjorn Harbo's for the WDJ to
be very useful. I am going to experiment with hard covers for the forward
compartment and then decide what to do. I think the decision has been made
to proceed with BW-2! I can't start quite yet, as I have about a month's
more work on a spinning wheel project, plus a couple of other little
ones. The real decision is ordering some wood!
This all replaces a Catalina 22 , making the trailering and setup a lot
easier, allowing thinner water, while still allowing basic "camping." It
also lets me build another boat :-)
Thanks again to all for the comments.
Bob
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Hard hatches... What Bolger does with Jochems schooner looks sorta like a bifold door. The perimeter overhangs the slot framing and the mid doors gap is waterproofed by a foam strip that gets pinched when the hatch is closed. The Jochem's slot is divided into several, (I think 3) sections with decking between. If you did that on Birdwatcher you'd lose the ability to stroll standing-up from one end of the cabin to the other...Plus you'll need to have the cabintop space that the door folds over on clear.
Happy boatbuilding...
Rick
Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Rick,
I have been distracted from boats for a couple of days, but wanted to get
back with a couple of thoughts. First, many thanks for the offer to
experience the Jewbox Jr. I have not been on (or seen) any of the BW types,
and it would be a good thing to do. Realisically, however, it is a bit more
of a trip than could happen soon. I may call on you, if an opportunity to
get down your way should arise.
Also, I didn't mean to sound like I only sail in the rain!! We even attempt
to avoid it. Never the less, it has happened quite a bit. We really like
to go to Puget Sound/San Juans or to the lower Columbia R. For various
reasons, including crowd reduction, this most often happens in September or
October. Rain and wind seem to be part of this, sometimes. The wind part
can be great!
Getting back to the boat, right after I got the BW-2 plans, I built a 16:1
model. It is open on one side, so I can peer forward from the aft
compartment. I don't think this view is nearly as good as that of as JB
Jr. BW-2 (and BW) has you looking through 10 feet of boat, a frame or two,
and then the Lexan is at an angle on the sides. The good view is through
the slot, at least if the jib is not in the way. I think the JB avoids
that obstruction, as does the very original BW. It beats not having the
windows, but it there is stuff in the way.
I found all the comments on hatches, including Bjorn Harbo's for the WDJ to
be very useful. I am going to experiment with hard covers for the forward
compartment and then decide what to do. I think the decision has been made
to proceed with BW-2! I can't start quite yet, as I have about a month's
more work on a spinning wheel project, plus a couple of other little
ones. The real decision is ordering some wood!
This all replaces a Catalina 22 , making the trailering and setup a lot
easier, allowing thinner water, while still allowing basic "camping." It
also lets me build another boat :-)
Thanks again to all for the comments.
Bob
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Rick,
I have been distracted from boats for a couple of days, but wanted to get
back with a couple of thoughts. First, many thanks for the offer to
experience the Jewbox Jr. I have not been on (or seen) any of the BW types,
and it would be a good thing to do. Realisically, however, it is a bit more
of a trip than could happen soon. I may call on you, if an opportunity to
get down your way should arise.
Also, I didn't mean to sound like I only sail in the rain!! We even attempt
to avoid it. Never the less, it has happened quite a bit. We really like
to go to Puget Sound/San Juans or to the lower Columbia R. For various
reasons, including crowd reduction, this most often happens in September or
October. Rain and wind seem to be part of this, sometimes. The wind part
can be great!
Getting back to the boat, right after I got the BW-2 plans, I built a 16:1
model. It is open on one side, so I can peer forward from the aft
compartment. I don't think this view is nearly as good as that of as JB
Jr. BW-2 (and BW) has you looking through 10 feet of boat, a frame or two,
and then the Lexan is at an angle on the sides. The good view is through
the slot, at least if the jib is not in the way. I think the JB avoids
that obstruction, as does the very original BW. It beats not having the
windows, but it there is stuff in the way.
I found all the comments on hatches, including Bjorn Harbo's for the WDJ to
be very useful. I am going to experiment with hard covers for the forward
compartment and then decide what to do. I think the decision has been made
to proceed with BW-2! I can't start quite yet, as I have about a month's
more work on a spinning wheel project, plus a couple of other little
ones. The real decision is ordering some wood!
This all replaces a Catalina 22 , making the trailering and setup a lot
easier, allowing thinner water, while still allowing basic "camping." It
also lets me build another boat :-)
Thanks again to all for the comments.
Bob
At 12:43 PM 11/5/2004, Rick Bedard wrote:
I have been distracted from boats for a couple of days, but wanted to get
back with a couple of thoughts. First, many thanks for the offer to
experience the Jewbox Jr. I have not been on (or seen) any of the BW types,
and it would be a good thing to do. Realisically, however, it is a bit more
of a trip than could happen soon. I may call on you, if an opportunity to
get down your way should arise.
Also, I didn't mean to sound like I only sail in the rain!! We even attempt
to avoid it. Never the less, it has happened quite a bit. We really like
to go to Puget Sound/San Juans or to the lower Columbia R. For various
reasons, including crowd reduction, this most often happens in September or
October. Rain and wind seem to be part of this, sometimes. The wind part
can be great!
Getting back to the boat, right after I got the BW-2 plans, I built a 16:1
model. It is open on one side, so I can peer forward from the aft
compartment. I don't think this view is nearly as good as that of as JB
Jr. BW-2 (and BW) has you looking through 10 feet of boat, a frame or two,
and then the Lexan is at an angle on the sides. The good view is through
the slot, at least if the jib is not in the way. I think the JB avoids
that obstruction, as does the very original BW. It beats not having the
windows, but it there is stuff in the way.
I found all the comments on hatches, including Bjorn Harbo's for the WDJ to
be very useful. I am going to experiment with hard covers for the forward
compartment and then decide what to do. I think the decision has been made
to proceed with BW-2! I can't start quite yet, as I have about a month's
more work on a spinning wheel project, plus a couple of other little
ones. The real decision is ordering some wood!
This all replaces a Catalina 22 , making the trailering and setup a lot
easier, allowing thinner water, while still allowing basic "camping." It
also lets me build another boat :-)
Thanks again to all for the comments.
Bob
At 12:43 PM 11/5/2004, Rick Bedard wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Have you been in a Birdwatcher or Birdwatcher type? You're welcome to try
>mine out if you're within reach of central coast California.. The view is
>really excellent. Not sure how much you would gain sticking your head out.
>Sorta like poking your head out of your car window in a rainstorm, what
>would you be gaining in visibility? OK, no windshield wipers on a boat
>like this.. Hmmm? Well, Idunno....
>
>Sounds like you venture out in weather that I would stay at anchor... The
>"rain" that I've sailed my JB Jr in most of you folks would laugh at....
>you probably would use words like "drizzle" or "mist" or, or, "You mean
>those couple of raindrops?" ... I have sheltered inside, under my tarp
>slotcover, nice and dry, during a couple "several hour long rainy periods,
>and once, at anchor, during an all night downpour...
>
>Back to your problem. If you must get your head out in a Michalak JB Jr on
>a rainy day, it's easy enough to take out the aft companionway dropboard
>(not really a board, it's a simple clear acrylic sheet) and sit very
>comfortably and securely, (in raingear), on the aft deck with your legs
>and feet inside the cabin. The tarp slotcover will still cover all the
>top, so the biggest leak would be what runs down your raingear. I guess a
>couple towels would be good for a while... A little puddle goes a long way
>in creating havoc in a flat bottomed boat....
>
> Not sure how this would work on a Bolger Birdwatcher
>
>Oh, and the logs and floats and stuff... Very light weight, flat bottomed,
>rockered, very shoal draft, kick-up leeboard and rudder, armored bottom
>(xynole-graphite)... I'd just run over that stuff... Or maybe stay at
>anchor....
>
>Rick
>... A little puddle goes a long way in creating havoc in a flatbottomed boat....
>The new Birdwatcher design has a raised floor, with a 'gutter' along the
> Not sure how this would work on a Bolger Birdwatcher
> Rick
edges to catch runoff, spilt beer, etc..
Bob,
Have you been in a Birdwatcher or Birdwatcher type? You're welcome to try mine out if you're within reach of central coast California.. The view is really excellent. Not sure how much you would gain sticking your head out. Sorta like poking your head out of your car window in a rainstorm, what would you be gaining in visibility? OK, no windshield wipers on a boat like this... Hmmm? Well, Idunno....
Sounds like you venture out in weather that I would stay at anchor... The "rain" that I've sailed my JB Jr in most of you folks would laugh at.... you probably would use words like "drizzle" or "mist" or, or, "You mean those couple of raindrops?" ... I have sheltered inside, under my tarp slotcover, nice and dry, during a couple "several hour long rainy periods, and once, at anchor, during an all night downpour...
Back to your problem. If you must get your head out in a Michalak JB Jr on a rainy day, it's easy enough to take out the aft companionway dropboard (not really a board, it's a simple clear acrylic sheet) and sit very comfortably and securely, (in raingear), on the aft deck with your legs and feet inside the cabin. The tarp slotcover will still cover all the top, so the biggest leak would be what runs down your raingear. I guess a couple towels would be good for a while... A little puddle goes a long way in creating havoc in a flat bottomed boat....
Not sure how this would work on a Bolger Birdwatcher
Oh, and the logs and floats and stuff... Very light weight, flat bottomed, rockered, very shoal draft, kick-up leeboard and rudder, armored bottom (xynole-graphite)... I'd just run over that stuff... Or maybe stay at anchor.....
Rick
Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Hi Rick - I agree for nice weather (pretty much), but going back to the
original assumptions, the rain is coming down, and the waves are hiding
deadhead logs (missed a few, by feet, in the past), crab floats, kelp, gill
nets and the like. My habit is to watch a lot for this stuff! If I can't
do it easily, this becomes a concern.
I bet the right arrangement of covers and hatches will allow
this?? Without letting too much water inside.
Bob
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Have you been in a Birdwatcher or Birdwatcher type? You're welcome to try mine out if you're within reach of central coast California.. The view is really excellent. Not sure how much you would gain sticking your head out. Sorta like poking your head out of your car window in a rainstorm, what would you be gaining in visibility? OK, no windshield wipers on a boat like this... Hmmm? Well, Idunno....
Sounds like you venture out in weather that I would stay at anchor... The "rain" that I've sailed my JB Jr in most of you folks would laugh at.... you probably would use words like "drizzle" or "mist" or, or, "You mean those couple of raindrops?" ... I have sheltered inside, under my tarp slotcover, nice and dry, during a couple "several hour long rainy periods, and once, at anchor, during an all night downpour...
Back to your problem. If you must get your head out in a Michalak JB Jr on a rainy day, it's easy enough to take out the aft companionway dropboard (not really a board, it's a simple clear acrylic sheet) and sit very comfortably and securely, (in raingear), on the aft deck with your legs and feet inside the cabin. The tarp slotcover will still cover all the top, so the biggest leak would be what runs down your raingear. I guess a couple towels would be good for a while... A little puddle goes a long way in creating havoc in a flat bottomed boat....
Not sure how this would work on a Bolger Birdwatcher
Oh, and the logs and floats and stuff... Very light weight, flat bottomed, rockered, very shoal draft, kick-up leeboard and rudder, armored bottom (xynole-graphite)... I'd just run over that stuff... Or maybe stay at anchor.....
Rick
Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Hi Rick - I agree for nice weather (pretty much), but going back to the
original assumptions, the rain is coming down, and the waves are hiding
deadhead logs (missed a few, by feet, in the past), crab floats, kelp, gill
nets and the like. My habit is to watch a lot for this stuff! If I can't
do it easily, this becomes a concern.
I bet the right arrangement of covers and hatches will allow
this?? Without letting too much water inside.
Bob
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Hi Rick - I agree for nice weather (pretty much), but going back to the
original assumptions, the rain is coming down, and the waves are hiding
deadhead logs (missed a few, by feet, in the past), crab floats, kelp, gill
nets and the like. My habit is to watch a lot for this stuff! If I can't
do it easily, this becomes a concern.
I bet the right arrangement of covers and hatches will allow
this?? Without letting too much water inside.
Bob
At 12:50 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:
original assumptions, the rain is coming down, and the waves are hiding
deadhead logs (missed a few, by feet, in the past), crab floats, kelp, gill
nets and the like. My habit is to watch a lot for this stuff! If I can't
do it easily, this becomes a concern.
I bet the right arrangement of covers and hatches will allow
this?? Without letting too much water inside.
Bob
At 12:50 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:
> From: Rick Bedard <sctree@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Birdwatcher Info
>
>You're missing a major point of Birdwatcher and Birdwatcher type (like my
>Michalak JB Jr) boats.... The view looking out of the cabin is so
>excellent and all around that there is no need to poke your head out.
>
>Rick
>
>Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
> Somehow, out of all this, there must be a way to easily
>poke a head and binoculars out to get a decent view of whatever is
>approaching. Hmmm....
>
>Thanks again,
>Bob
You're missing a major point of Birdwatcher and Birdwatcher type (like my Michalak JB Jr) boats.... The view looking out of the cabin is so excellent and all around that there is no need to poke your head out.
Rick
Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Somehow, out of all this, there must be a way to easily
poke a head and binoculars out to get a decent view of whatever is
approaching. Hmmm....
Thanks again,
Bob
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Bob Larkin <boblark@...> wrote:
Somehow, out of all this, there must be a way to easily
poke a head and binoculars out to get a decent view of whatever is
approaching. Hmmm....
Thanks again,
Bob
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Thanks to Paul, Howard and Rick for the helpful comments on covering the
Birdwatcher slot. I had not seen the Michalak articles, and these have now
also been contemplated!
I am inclined to consider this slot-cover question experimental and wait
until I have a boat to work with. When anchored, the problem is simple,
and a boom tent, covering at least the center compartment would provide
standing height and dryness. But, under way it gets interesting. I'll
start by having the ability to cover the forward compartment with a hard
hatch. Maybe the aft area, also. Then get out the scrap plastic tarps
and experiment. Somehow, out of all this, there must be a way to easily
poke a head and binoculars out to get a decent view of whatever is
approaching. Hmmm....
Thanks again,
Bob
Birdwatcher slot. I had not seen the Michalak articles, and these have now
also been contemplated!
I am inclined to consider this slot-cover question experimental and wait
until I have a boat to work with. When anchored, the problem is simple,
and a boom tent, covering at least the center compartment would provide
standing height and dryness. But, under way it gets interesting. I'll
start by having the ability to cover the forward compartment with a hard
hatch. Maybe the aft area, also. Then get out the scrap plastic tarps
and experiment. Somehow, out of all this, there must be a way to easily
poke a head and binoculars out to get a decent view of whatever is
approaching. Hmmm....
Thanks again,
Bob
That sounds like a good solution. Any chance of some pictures?
Roger (It's early in the morning and I'm having trouble picturing "T's with
the tops cut off.")
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
Roger (It's early in the morning and I'm having trouble picturing "T's with
the tops cut off.")
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Bedard" <sctree@...>
> Hard hatches are big, heavy, hard to stow, hard to
> seal. If sliders they stick or leak, if hinged they
> can pinch and when opened are in the way...
>
> I built and sail a Michalak "Birdwatcher" type with a
> 24" x 8' slot and have a homemade cover made out of
> white plactic tarp that has held up well for two
> years. It's easy to fit or remove and even works under
> sail in moderate rain if you stuff an old towel around
> the mast where the cover has to be bunched up when the
> mast is up. A more talented person could cut and fit
> the tarp around the mast with a flap to cover the hole
> when the mast is down...
>
> Out of 1/2" pvc pipe, T's with the tops cut off, and
> 45 degree elbows I made four bows that pinch fit the
> slot span and hold the tarp a few inches above the
> slot rails. Light line runs from the tarp edges out to
> the outer edge of the cabintop and back under the tarp
> and inside the rails (so they can be pulled snug and
> secured while inside the cabin). Has never leaked at
> anchor or in my backyard, yet air move in and out in
> the gap between the cabintop and tarp.
>
> Someone else suggested a pole or rod running fore and
> aft on the outside of one slot rail with canvas
> attached by one edge. Roll it up or unroll it like a
> windowshade and come up with some method to secure to
> the other slot rail. Would still need bows to keep it
> from sagging.
>
> Rick.
Thanks for the link. He says:
"I'm going to draw a narrower slot in future designs and go back to
showing the plywood slot covers."
Agreed. I have a Dovekie and am still wanting to get around to making
hard hatches. I am considering a BW1 and would like to add some kind
of flip over hatches as well. In rough weather, or winter storage
they would be much preferred over canvas. I'm also wondering what
would happen if it did indeed get knocked completely over. Doesn't
look pretty turned upside down.
Paul
"I'm going to draw a narrower slot in future designs and go back to
showing the plywood slot covers."
Agreed. I have a Dovekie and am still wanting to get around to making
hard hatches. I am considering a BW1 and would like to add some kind
of flip over hatches as well. In rough weather, or winter storage
they would be much preferred over canvas. I'm also wondering what
would happen if it did indeed get knocked completely over. Doesn't
look pretty turned upside down.
Paul
> There is more in Michalak's latest newsletter, at:
>
>http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents
>
> Howard
Hard hatches are big, heavy, hard to stow, hard to
seal. If sliders they stick or leak, if hinged they
can pinch and when opened are in the way...
I built and sail a Michalak "Birdwatcher" type with a
24" x 8' slot and have a homemade cover made out of
white plactic tarp that has held up well for two
years. It's easy to fit or remove and even works under
sail in moderate rain if you stuff an old towel around
the mast where the cover has to be bunched up when the
mast is up. A more talented person could cut and fit
the tarp around the mast with a flap to cover the hole
when the mast is down...
Out of 1/2" pvc pipe, T's with the tops cut off, and
45 degree elbows I made four bows that pinch fit the
slot span and hold the tarp a few inches above the
slot rails. Light line runs from the tarp edges out to
the outer edge of the cabintop and back under the tarp
and inside the rails (so they can be pulled snug and
secured while inside the cabin). Has never leaked at
anchor or in my backyard, yet air move in and out in
the gap between the cabintop and tarp.
Someone else suggested a pole or rod running fore and
aft on the outside of one slot rail with canvas
attached by one edge. Roll it up or unroll it like a
windowshade and come up with some method to secure to
the other slot rail. Would still need bows to keep it
from sagging.
Rick.
seal. If sliders they stick or leak, if hinged they
can pinch and when opened are in the way...
I built and sail a Michalak "Birdwatcher" type with a
24" x 8' slot and have a homemade cover made out of
white plactic tarp that has held up well for two
years. It's easy to fit or remove and even works under
sail in moderate rain if you stuff an old towel around
the mast where the cover has to be bunched up when the
mast is up. A more talented person could cut and fit
the tarp around the mast with a flap to cover the hole
when the mast is down...
Out of 1/2" pvc pipe, T's with the tops cut off, and
45 degree elbows I made four bows that pinch fit the
slot span and hold the tarp a few inches above the
slot rails. Light line runs from the tarp edges out to
the outer edge of the cabintop and back under the tarp
and inside the rails (so they can be pulled snug and
secured while inside the cabin). Has never leaked at
anchor or in my backyard, yet air move in and out in
the gap between the cabintop and tarp.
Someone else suggested a pole or rod running fore and
aft on the outside of one slot rail with canvas
attached by one edge. Roll it up or unroll it like a
windowshade and come up with some method to secure to
the other slot rail. Would still need bows to keep it
from sagging.
Rick.
> Paul
>
> > The long canvas of BW or the hatches of BW II do
> not seem
> convenient, and I'm trying to sketch alternatives
> that could be used
> either under way, or at anchor
>
>
>
>
There is more in Michalak's latest newsletter, at:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents
Howard
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <kayaker37@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Jim Michalak talks about the Birdwatcher I fabric cover here,
about
> halfway down in the section titled "WALKWAY COVERS..." Apparently
> three people tried plywood hatch covers, but eventually went back
to
> soft covers:
>http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2000/1101/
Bob,
Jim Michalak talks about the Birdwatcher I fabric cover here, about
halfway down in the section titled "WALKWAY COVERS..." Apparently
three people tried plywood hatch covers, but eventually went back to
soft covers:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2000/1101/
Paul
either under way, or at anchor
Jim Michalak talks about the Birdwatcher I fabric cover here, about
halfway down in the section titled "WALKWAY COVERS..." Apparently
three people tried plywood hatch covers, but eventually went back to
soft covers:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2000/1101/
Paul
> The long canvas of BW or the hatches of BW II do not seemconvenient, and I'm trying to sketch alternatives that could be used
either under way, or at anchor
I plan to build BW II this winter, and have purchased the plans. Right now,
I am making up plywood sheet layouts and a bill of materials. I too would
be interested if someone has already done this. If not, I would be happy
to share what I will have.
I might add, for what we do, the BW II is ideal, but my only concern is
figuring the best way to handle rainy weather. I'm in Oregon and we like to
extend the season well before and after summer. The long canvas of BW or
the hatches of BW II do not seem convenient, and I'm trying to sketch
alternatives that could be used either under way, or at anchor (two
different solutions, probably). If any one has ideas on this, i would like
to hear about this.
I'm also looking for trailer ideas...
Bob Larkin
Corvallis, OR
I am making up plywood sheet layouts and a bill of materials. I too would
be interested if someone has already done this. If not, I would be happy
to share what I will have.
I might add, for what we do, the BW II is ideal, but my only concern is
figuring the best way to handle rainy weather. I'm in Oregon and we like to
extend the season well before and after summer. The long canvas of BW or
the hatches of BW II do not seem convenient, and I'm trying to sketch
alternatives that could be used either under way, or at anchor (two
different solutions, probably). If any one has ideas on this, i would like
to hear about this.
I'm also looking for trailer ideas...
Bob Larkin
Corvallis, OR
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:37:33 -0000
> From: "ltaprojects" <jsgmax@...>
>Subject: Birdwatcher Info
>
>
>I have really been interested in this design but not quite ready to
>purchase plans. Does
>anyone have a materials list for the original or Birwatcher II? Also,
>general info on the
>building process involved.
>
>Thanks much
>Steve Garner
> It appears there are now 2 Birdwatchers?The first 'Spartan' Birdwatcher, had two sail rig options,
a simple 125 sf spritsail 'cat' rig. [a main sail only]
Or, a more complex 185 sf gunter sloop rig.
The second 'deluxe' Birdwatcher II added many
cruising features/improvements, including an
outboard motor mount. Whether you need/want
these added features depends on your personal
preference between Spartan and deluxe. There
are good arguments for both philosophies.
I bet an original Birdwatcher could be built in half
the time (and 1/3 the cost) of a Birdwatcher II
And the spritsail could be launched and sailed away
twice as fast as the sloop too. But in light air, the
bigger rigs would pass her, and the outboard would
pass them all in a calm.
There has been a lot of discussion on this group
about this, be sure to read back through the archive.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ltaprojects" <jsgmax@t...> wrote:
Bolger's Boats with an Open Mind has an essay, and drawings of the
Birdwatcher with over 70 other Bolger designs. Some are so complete
one could build from them.
You might also fax Bolger, asking about a study plan.
It appears there are now 2 Birdwatchers?
>purchase plans. Does
> I have really been interested in this design but not quite ready to
> anyone have..........Steve,
Bolger's Boats with an Open Mind has an essay, and drawings of the
Birdwatcher with over 70 other Bolger designs. Some are so complete
one could build from them.
You might also fax Bolger, asking about a study plan.
It appears there are now 2 Birdwatchers?
I have really been interested in this design but not quite ready to purchase plans. Does
anyone have a materials list for the original or Birwatcher II? Also, general info on the
building process involved.
Thanks much
Steve Garner
anyone have a materials list for the original or Birwatcher II? Also, general info on the
building process involved.
Thanks much
Steve Garner