Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Upgrade
> Oh, I hadn't noticed that the hatch is now short. Strange, becauseActually, (I had forgotten), the side view of the boat shows a hatch
> they have stressed the large open hatch as being part of making the
> glasshouse livable (like Birdwatcher). I wouldn't like to lose the
> lovely open rag-top feeling of the original hatch design.
> DonB
with a shorter length. The top view shows a longer length. (Also,
the top view doesn't show a horse). 'Omission' 'error', 'builders option',
take your choice.
A word of caution, I chose to make my hatch longer still. The difficulty
of building a hatch, (and the hatch rails) straight enough to slide fairly
without binding grows exponentially with length. IOW, a short hatch
is vastly easier to build than a long hatch.
Do you have bears near that cabin Jason? You might have more than a
bent keel to contend with come spring!
Are you retreating into the hills for peace and quiet to knock out
your thesis?
DonB
I'll get all the spars and bits finished
bent keel to contend with come spring!
Are you retreating into the hills for peace and quiet to knock out
your thesis?
DonB
I'll get all the spars and bits finished
> up and rigged by the warmth of the woodburning stove in the cabin
> this winter. I'm moving farther out into the woods this week and i
> donb't have a trailer yet so my little beast will be left unattended
> at the old building site 20 miles from my new cabin. Oh well the
> water will start icing in 30 days anyhow.
>
> Jason conceiting defeat to old man winter and praying for an early
> thaw!
Oh, I hadn't noticed that the hatch is now short. Strange, because
they have stressed the large open hatch as being part of making the
glasshouse livable (like Birdwatcher). I wouldn't like to lose the
lovely open rag-top feeling of the original hatch design.
DonB
they have stressed the large open hatch as being part of making the
glasshouse livable (like Birdwatcher). I wouldn't like to lose the
lovely open rag-top feeling of the original hatch design.
DonB
> The new plans show the 'short hatch' and the horse
> is a few inches forward of the forward edge of the
> hatch. Shouldn't hit your head, unless your hatch
> is enlarged.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/422/horse.gif
Because of my dumb dumb modification to the sail plan i think my
traveler will be strung accross the top of the two stanchions....the
boom extends aft of the stern ala' old school cat boat, we'll see
how that goes.
Since she has a tabernacle I put the gallows for the mast where
bolger shows his traveler...it's not been bedded/bolted down yet as
it's brightwork, but it makes a great grab rail to swing yourself
down through the companionway slot(haven't built the step yet.
When i talked to susanne about the tabernacle mod she warned me of
some other mods they'd been wanting to do. The letter that came with
the plan said the fillets were there to stop pounding at anchor, she
wrote there had been a number of complaints about the noise.
Jason
traveler will be strung accross the top of the two stanchions....the
boom extends aft of the stern ala' old school cat boat, we'll see
how that goes.
Since she has a tabernacle I put the gallows for the mast where
bolger shows his traveler...it's not been bedded/bolted down yet as
it's brightwork, but it makes a great grab rail to swing yourself
down through the companionway slot(haven't built the step yet.
When i talked to susanne about the tabernacle mod she warned me of
some other mods they'd been wanting to do. The letter that came with
the plan said the fillets were there to stop pounding at anchor, she
wrote there had been a number of complaints about the noise.
Jason
> DonBOr kill someone.
> Yes Bruce, it would be heartbreaking to damage
> your craft for a trailer fault.
> I considered the horse where shown onThe new plans show the 'short hatch' and the horse
> the new plan when building, but
> it just did not feel right.
is a few inches forward of the forward edge of the
hatch. Shouldn't hit your head, unless your hatch
is enlarged.
http://hallman.org/bolger/422/horse.gif
> > > The slap, slap, slap, of the waves and or ripples resonatesDepends on the individual. Some people hate to hear the
> through the hull. I suspect it would drive you crazy after a while.
> John
seagulls too <g>. Personally, the clanking of halyards on the
aluminum masts of plastic boats gets on my nerves.
I just wonder if the fillet piece was a result of complaints received,
or perhaps from Susanne Altenberger having fun with her CADD
program.
A third potential reason, not mentioned in the MAIB article is that
the fillet has hydrodynamic or structural benefits.
Yes Bruce, it would be heartbreaking to damage your craft for a
trailer fault.
I considered the horse where shown on the new plan when building, but
it just did not feel right. A shame to spoil that nice open feeling
with the big hatch wide open. My boom has 2 resting places, a bar in
front of the hatch and another connecting the aft stanchions.
Sitting as you say at the after end of the opening looks a really
comfortable place for relaxed sailing, with the tiller between your
legs and both hands free for taking the caps off bottles!
As to leaks, I have been lucky to have none, though being paranoid
about leaks in my work, a lot af attention was paid to that.
Progress on Oink has been zero since our Home Show here a few months
ago.....I just cannot get on top of the work generated, and have even
spent my weekends following up new clients. However the weather is
warming up now, and time will be made,
DonB
trailer fault.
I considered the horse where shown on the new plan when building, but
it just did not feel right. A shame to spoil that nice open feeling
with the big hatch wide open. My boom has 2 resting places, a bar in
front of the hatch and another connecting the aft stanchions.
Sitting as you say at the after end of the opening looks a really
comfortable place for relaxed sailing, with the tiller between your
legs and both hands free for taking the caps off bottles!
As to leaks, I have been lucky to have none, though being paranoid
about leaks in my work, a lot af attention was paid to that.
Progress on Oink has been zero since our Home Show here a few months
ago.....I just cannot get on top of the work generated, and have even
spent my weekends following up new clients. However the weather is
warming up now, and time will be made,
DonB
>
> On my Navigator cabin, I lengthened the slot about a foot,
> and discovered that an unintended consequence was that
> I then needed a 'horse' for the boom to rest upon when not
> hoisted. My horse is in about the same position as the
> one on the Micro II plans. Being 6 feet tall, my eyes fall below
> the horse when I am standing in the slot, and I don't feel there is
> a problem with vision or standing height.
>
> As is painfully obvious, I haven't launched yet, but I have
> spent some time 'dry run' sailing in my driveway, and find
> that there is an excellent comfortable position to stand
> or sit with your butt in the cabin gangway hatch while sailing,
> [head well clear of the horse].
>
> Also, at times, the horse is also a comfortable place
> to rest your hands, bracing your balance, while you stand in the
> slot.
>
> I can't say I *truly* understand the mechanics of sheeting a
> gaff sail, but I am guessing that Bolger welcomes the downward
> pull of the new sheet location for its 'vang' effect on the boom, which
> would be greater in the new configuration than the old.
>
> Have you noticed how the new mainsheet runs forward before it
> enters the cabin? I see that the fairlead to enter the cabin might
> be a source of a rainwater leak.
>
> Just an update on my progress: I am currently fiberglassing and
> refinishing the perimeter of my cabin roof, hairline joints in which
> I have diagnosed as the source of rainwater leaks into the cabin.
>
> Also, I have come down with a case of 'cold feet' about my
> jerry rigged wheel bearing job done while rebuilding my trailer.
> So, I bit the bullet and ordered new a axle, hubs, wheels
> and tires, yet to be installed. The last thing I want would be
> a bearing or tire failure on the trailer. [New tires, because the $56
> Costco tires I bought were wrong, being 'passenger car' load rating,
> not the higher trailer load rating 'C'.] The trailer is a safety issue
> that I must get right.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
while.
John
The fillets along the keel would hopefully
> > The slap, slap, slap, of the waves and or ripples resonatesthrough the hull. I suspect it would drive you crazy after a
while.
John
The fillets along the keel would hopefully
> > reduce the noise at anchor,
> > John
>
> I don't recall ever actually hearing complaints of noise at
> anchor with the Micro. Is the noise a real or imaginary
> problem?
> As is painfully obvious, I haven't launched yet,Yeesh, I feel your pain. Doesn't look as though i'll make it till
spring. I can't get the weather to cooperate and since i keep
finding a spot to fair i have to wait at least another week each
time for it to cure before painting. First projected snow of the
season is this weekend. I've got the windows installed and all the
bits cetoled. The plan is to pop the windows out put about 4 coats
of primer on her bed down the windows batten down the hatches and
store her for the winter. I'll get all the spars and bits finished
up and rigged by the warmth of the woodburning stove in the cabin
this winter. I'm moving farther out into the woods this week and i
donb't have a trailer yet so my little beast will be left unattended
at the old building site 20 miles from my new cabin. Oh well the
water will start icing in 30 days anyhow.
Jason conceiting defeat to old man winter and praying for an early
thaw!
> The fillets along the keel would hopefullyI don't recall ever actually hearing complaints of noise at
> reduce the noise at anchor,
> John
anchor with the Micro. Is the noise a real or imaginary
problem?
> Yes, I noticed the new horse position, right above where you would beOn my Navigator cabin, I lengthened the slot about a foot,
> standing to change sides and generally walk about. I don't at all like
> the thought of straining ropes and thrashing blocks right at
> scalp/forehead height, especially as the boat will be mostly sailed
> with the sliding hatch open.
> DonB
and discovered that an unintended consequence was that
I then needed a 'horse' for the boom to rest upon when not
hoisted. My horse is in about the same position as the
one on the Micro II plans. Being 6 feet tall, my eyes fall below
the horse when I am standing in the slot, and I don't feel there is
a problem with vision or standing height.
As is painfully obvious, I haven't launched yet, but I have
spent some time 'dry run' sailing in my driveway, and find
that there is an excellent comfortable position to stand
or sit with your butt in the cabin gangway hatch while sailing,
[head well clear of the horse].
Also, at times, the horse is also a comfortable place
to rest your hands, bracing your balance, while you stand in the
slot.
I can't say I *truly* understand the mechanics of sheeting a
gaff sail, but I am guessing that Bolger welcomes the downward
pull of the new sheet location for its 'vang' effect on the boom, which
would be greater in the new configuration than the old.
Have you noticed how the new mainsheet runs forward before it
enters the cabin? I see that the fairlead to enter the cabin might
be a source of a rainwater leak.
Just an update on my progress: I am currently fiberglassing and
refinishing the perimeter of my cabin roof, hairline joints in which
I have diagnosed as the source of rainwater leaks into the cabin.
Also, I have come down with a case of 'cold feet' about my
jerry rigged wheel bearing job done while rebuilding my trailer.
So, I bit the bullet and ordered new a axle, hubs, wheels
and tires, yet to be installed. The last thing I want would be
a bearing or tire failure on the trailer. [New tires, because the $56
Costco tires I bought were wrong, being 'passenger car' load rating,
not the higher trailer load rating 'C'.] The trailer is a safety issue
that I must get right.
I had a 32 ft Aluminum Bowpicker in Norton Sound that I used for the
herring fishery. It had an out house welded on the back with a straight
pipe to the water.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
herring fishery. It had an out house welded on the back with a straight
pipe to the water.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>The forward well has more space
>>with the mast/tabernacle further forward. Room for a deck chair now!
>>
>>
>
>The best thing about the new gangway through the forward bulkhead to
>the forward well, is that it would accept the porta-potty, effectively
>giving the 16' long micro a private area for the 'head'. [w/curtain across
>the opening in the newly added bulkhead at station 10]
>
>Can you name another cruiser, 16 feet long, with a private place
>for a toilet?
>
>[my mind now gearing up in free wheeling mode]
>
>The Coast Guard regulations prohibit 'discharge' of human waste.
>This amounts to: you cannot pee or poop in in a bucket, and then
>legally dump the bucket into water. But, you can legally pee or
>poop directly into the water, as long as no bucket involved.
>Therefore perhaps a hole in the hull bottom of the free flooding forward
>well of the Micro would not be considered a 'discharge' per the US
>regulations.
>
>[As I understand the law, check for yourself,
>I am not giving legal advice.]
>
>
>
>
Hi Bruce,
Yes, I noticed the new horse position, right above where you would be
standing to change sides and generally walk about. I don't at all like
the thought of straining ropes and thrashing blocks right at
scalp/forehead height, especially as the boat will be mostly sailed
with the sliding hatch open.
DonB
Yes, I noticed the new horse position, right above where you would be
standing to change sides and generally walk about. I don't at all like
the thought of straining ropes and thrashing blocks right at
scalp/forehead height, especially as the boat will be mostly sailed
with the sliding hatch open.
DonB
> Also, worth noting, the new Micro plan relocates the main
> sheet of the mainsail from the stern quarter posts, to a
> horse on the top deck (roof) of the cabin. Plus, the
> intermediate pully for the main sail sheetlet is relocated
> down, to clear the sliding mizzen batten jaws.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > some other minor things.
> > Jason
> J. you described it well, and
> the minor things include
> a new end plate on the rudder,
> and a revised scheme for the
> routing of the forward lines.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > some other minor things.
> > Jason
> J. you described it well, and
> the minor things include
> a new end plate on the rudder,
> and a revised scheme for the
> routing of the forward lines.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > some other minor things.
> > Jason
> J. you described it well, and
> the minor things include
> a new end plate on the rudder,
> and a revised scheme for the
> routing of the forward lines.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
ability to sail high and dry in an elegant manner in a compact 15'
4" boat on the choppy waters of Sydney harbour. However I'd love to
have that enclosed cabin and a bit more sail area or better control
of the sail (reefing and adjustment). I bought some plans for the
Great Pelican a while back (when I wasn't feeling well!) and its
sail is a balance lug/chinese lug?? or something which I think could
be fitted into the areas vacated by the standard Micro sail. It
doesn't look as complicated as the chinese gaff main on the Micro
Modifications. I'm going to investigate this (See link below)
http://community-2.webtv.net/PelicanSailboat/SFPELICANSAILBOATS/
Cheers,
John
some other minor things.
> > The things that attracted me to the Micro were the simplicityof the build (Excluding the keel), the simple sailing rig, and the
ability to sail high and dry in an elegant manner in a compact 15'
4" boat on the choppy waters of Sydney harbour. However I'd love to
have that enclosed cabin and a bit more sail area or better control
of the sail (reefing and adjustment). I bought some plans for the
Great Pelican a while back (when I wasn't feeling well!) and its
sail is a balance lug/chinese lug?? or something which I think could
be fitted into the areas vacated by the standard Micro sail. It
doesn't look as complicated as the chinese gaff main on the Micro
Modifications. I'm going to investigate this (See link below)
http://community-2.webtv.net/PelicanSailboat/SFPELICANSAILBOATS/
Cheers,
John
some other minor things.
> > Jason
> J. you described it well, and
> the minor things include
> a new end plate on the rudder,
> and a revised scheme for the
> routing of the forward lines.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
reduce the noise at anchor,
Cheers,
John
wrote:
> Jason,Thanks for the info. The fillets along the keel would hopefully
reduce the noise at anchor,
Cheers,
John
> John,the
> It's called the enclosed cruiser upgrade 426B or something like
> that.
> It's got the house with dimensions for that bulkhead that forms
> divider between front stowage and bumks, Tabernacle, largerchinese
> gaff mizzen, a drifter, rounded over bow with two fillets alongthe
> keel at water line to give a v entry. Drop board companion way upat
> the forward bulkhead a new vang, some changes to the boomkin and
> some other minor things.
> That's what i recall.
> Jason
> Yes Nels, the rig has got more complicated than ever. All those extraPlus a couple halyards, and some pulleys for 35 SF of sail,
> battens, jaws and lines for the mizzen....a nightmare.
> DonB
to gain 8 SF in area (30%) over the previous sprit sail.
Not quite "a nightmare" but no doubt more complex.
Also, worth noting, the new Micro plan relocates the main
sheet of the mainsail from the stern quarter posts, to a
horse on the top deck (roof) of the cabin. Plus, the
intermediate pully for the main sail sheetlet is relocated
down, to clear the sliding mizzen batten jaws.
Yes Nels, the rig has got more complicated than ever. All those extra
battens, jaws and lines for the mizzen....a nightmare.
DonB
battens, jaws and lines for the mizzen....a nightmare.
DonB
> A lot of work and complication in my view, but the results would be
> improved performance in every facet of which some people have
> considered compromises in the original. The original is still the
> best choice in the KISS traditions!
>
> These modifications on a Long Micro would result in a fully capable
> ocean-going maxi-micro motorsailor:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels
> The forward well has more spaceThe best thing about the new gangway through the forward bulkhead to
> with the mast/tabernacle further forward. Room for a deck chair now!
the forward well, is that it would accept the porta-potty, effectively
giving the 16' long micro a private area for the 'head'. [w/curtain across
the opening in the newly added bulkhead at station 10]
Can you name another cruiser, 16 feet long, with a private place
for a toilet?
[my mind now gearing up in free wheeling mode]
The Coast Guard regulations prohibit 'discharge' of human waste.
This amounts to: you cannot pee or poop in in a bucket, and then
legally dump the bucket into water. But, you can legally pee or
poop directly into the water, as long as no bucket involved.
Therefore perhaps a hole in the hull bottom of the free flooding forward
well of the Micro would not be considered a 'discharge' per the US
regulations.
[As I understand the law, check for yourself,
I am not giving legal advice.]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mannthree" <johnmann@i...> wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/MICRO%20NAVIGATOR/
The actual blueprints are scaled and have more detail but it is
pretty much as Jason said. The end plate for the rudder is also an
addition not on the original plans. The forward well has more space
with the mast/tabernacle further forward. Room for a deck chair now!
Narrow decking added to the well along both gunwales for the blocks
for all the strings. Also a fully battened mizzen with more area.
There is no building guide like PCB usually has nowadays. No written
explanations other than that on the plans themselves.
A lot of work and complication in my view, but the results would be
improved performance in every facet of which some people have
considered compromises in the original. The original is still the
best choice in the KISS traditions!
These modifications on a Long Micro would result in a fully capable
ocean-going maxi-micro motorsailor:-)
Cheers, Nels
>Bolger's
> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the upgrade items included in Mr
> Micro upgrade. Does it include the Navigator design items as wellI posted a few scanned highlights here:
> as "rounded bow" (I'm not sure what this is) etc etc,
>
> Regards,
>
> John Mann
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/MICRO%20NAVIGATOR/
The actual blueprints are scaled and have more detail but it is
pretty much as Jason said. The end plate for the rudder is also an
addition not on the original plans. The forward well has more space
with the mast/tabernacle further forward. Room for a deck chair now!
Narrow decking added to the well along both gunwales for the blocks
for all the strings. Also a fully battened mizzen with more area.
There is no building guide like PCB usually has nowadays. No written
explanations other than that on the plans themselves.
A lot of work and complication in my view, but the results would be
improved performance in every facet of which some people have
considered compromises in the original. The original is still the
best choice in the KISS traditions!
These modifications on a Long Micro would result in a fully capable
ocean-going maxi-micro motorsailor:-)
Cheers, Nels
> some other minor things.J. you described it well, and
> Jason
the minor things include
a new end plate on the rudder,
and a revised scheme for the
routing of the forward lines.
John,
It's called the enclosed cruiser upgrade 426B or something like
that.
It's got the house with dimensions for that bulkhead that forms the
divider between front stowage and bumks, Tabernacle, larger chinese
gaff mizzen, a drifter, rounded over bow with two fillets along the
keel at water line to give a v entry. Drop board companion way up at
the forward bulkhead a new vang, some changes to the boomkin and
some other minor things.
That's what i recall.
Jason
It's called the enclosed cruiser upgrade 426B or something like
that.
It's got the house with dimensions for that bulkhead that forms the
divider between front stowage and bumks, Tabernacle, larger chinese
gaff mizzen, a drifter, rounded over bow with two fillets along the
keel at water line to give a v entry. Drop board companion way up at
the forward bulkhead a new vang, some changes to the boomkin and
some other minor things.
That's what i recall.
Jason
Greetings,
Does anyone have a list of the upgrade items included in Mr Bolger's
Micro upgrade. Does it include the Navigator design items as well
as "rounded bow" (I'm not sure what this is) etc etc,
Regards,
John Mann
Does anyone have a list of the upgrade items included in Mr Bolger's
Micro upgrade. Does it include the Navigator design items as well
as "rounded bow" (I'm not sure what this is) etc etc,
Regards,
John Mann