Re: Boat Festival Photos
Thanks, John.
That outrigger boat,
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
looks very much like 'Beth', a sailing canoe design by Micheal
Storer. He used to be at Duckflat Wooden Boats . Performance with
period looks, and sorta Bolger. The link is at Square Boats:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/beth.htm
Graeme
That outrigger boat,
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
looks very much like 'Beth', a sailing canoe design by Micheal
Storer. He used to be at Duckflat Wooden Boats . Performance with
period looks, and sorta Bolger. The link is at Square Boats:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/beth.htm
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> A better shot of that outrigger canoe, or one very like it, can be
found in
> the photos from last years' festival:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
>
> I don't know anything more about it...
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:41:56 -0000, Graeme wrote:
> > ...
> > Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone
know
> > what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls
is?
> > Any profile photos of it John?
> > ...
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little
Nell by
> Dickens without laughing. <Oscar Wilde>
Thanks for providing that link John. I like the idea of a cruising
outrigger for warm waters. Slips along like a catamaran I'd reckon,
but easily rightable and car-toppable.
Best regards
graeme.
outrigger for warm waters. Slips along like a catamaran I'd reckon,
but easily rightable and car-toppable.
Best regards
graeme.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> A better shot of that outrigger canoe, or one very like it, can be
found in
> the photos from last years' festival:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
>
> I don't know anything more about it...
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:41:56 -0000, Graeme wrote:
> > ...
> > Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone
know
> > what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls
is?
> > Any profile photos of it John?
> > ...
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little
Nell by
> Dickens without laughing. <Oscar Wilde>
> 50K is way high these days, I thinkI would say pretty moderate for a 42' steel vessel. Steel sells for
> people got frightened by the hurricanes,
more than run-of-the-mill fiberglass.
He could have at least made the bed !! 50K is way high these days, I think
people got frightened by the hurricanes, that same sight has a lot of really
live aboards for under 25K.
I have found many really nice photos and testimonials on the gazelle. It seems
unlikely but people give it high blue-water points.
I see it as very small costal cargo schooner, like the Pioneer I grew up on.
If I get one, I will probably look for traditional sails w/ hoops and all.
Square seems like something I might want to play with, you only live once !!
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people got frightened by the hurricanes, that same sight has a lot of really
live aboards for under 25K.
I have found many really nice photos and testimonials on the gazelle. It seems
unlikely but people give it high blue-water points.
I see it as very small costal cargo schooner, like the Pioneer I grew up on.
If I get one, I will probably look for traditional sails w/ hoops and all.
Square seems like something I might want to play with, you only live once !!
--- Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
>=====
> Yes, after having had another look, I'm sure you're right. Did you
> see the so-called "owner's stateroom"?
>
> Howard
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > It looks a lot bigger that S48.
> >
> > I doubt it's bigger than the S48. 6' less loa, to begin with.
> >
> > The price is a steal unless there are condition problems. It could
> be
> > a classic case of a boat that's too far from the mainstream to sell.
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Yes, after having had another look, I'm sure you're right. Did you
see the so-called "owner's stateroom"?
Howard
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see the so-called "owner's stateroom"?
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
>be
> > It looks a lot bigger that S48.
>
> I doubt it's bigger than the S48. 6' less loa, to begin with.
>
> The price is a steal unless there are condition problems. It could
> a classic case of a boat that's too far from the mainstream to sell.
> It looks a lot bigger that S48.I doubt it's bigger than the S48. 6' less loa, to begin with.
The price is a steal unless there are condition problems. It could be
a classic case of a boat that's too far from the mainstream to sell.
Hmmmm....
(the smart sailor uses ads like that for leverage on other deals, and drives a
beater pickup truck to make the deal)
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--- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> I saw a 2001 Gazelle for sale in Olympia in November "48 North"., no=====
> engine. Sail away for $15,000.
>
>ChunaLathe@...was the email contact no phone number. About
> half of the price of the cheapest Gazelle I have ever seen so I suspect
> other issues, like maybe plywood decks or something.
>
> HJ
>
> John van V. wrote:
>
> >Actually I saw that one, its nice, seller motivated too !!
> >
> >But, my first choice is an aluminum gazelle near seattle for more money, but
> >its a tradional schooner. I would truck it to the Mizzou River and float it
> >down to the Gulf and ... do the "Tour de Rhum" :)
> >
> >http://ministryofrum.com/
> >
> >This guy is cool, his motto is "you cant drink all day unless you start
> early"
> >
> >He lost his sloop when he mistook an anchor light for aid-to-navigation.
> Then
> >some rich folks gave him their yacht cuz they liked his life's mission.
> >
> >His mission might raise questions about his shipwreck, but what the heck
> >
> >
> >--- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If you are really interested in a boat of this type, look at this one:
> >>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
> >>
> >>It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
> >>quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
> >>
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I saw a 2001 Gazelle for sale in Olympia in November "48 North"., no
engine. Sail away for $15,000.
ChunaLathe@...was the email contact no phone number. About
half of the price of the cheapest Gazelle I have ever seen so I suspect
other issues, like maybe plywood decks or something.
HJ
John van V. wrote:
engine. Sail away for $15,000.
ChunaLathe@...was the email contact no phone number. About
half of the price of the cheapest Gazelle I have ever seen so I suspect
other issues, like maybe plywood decks or something.
HJ
John van V. wrote:
>Actually I saw that one, its nice, seller motivated too !!
>
>But, my first choice is an aluminum gazelle near seattle for more money, but
>its a tradional schooner. I would truck it to the Mizzou River and float it
>down to the Gulf and ... do the "Tour de Rhum" :)
>
>http://ministryofrum.com/
>
>This guy is cool, his motto is "you cant drink all day unless you start early"
>
>He lost his sloop when he mistook an anchor light for aid-to-navigation. Then
>some rich folks gave him their yacht cuz they liked his life's mission.
>
>His mission might raise questions about his shipwreck, but what the heck
>
>
>--- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>If you are really interested in a boat of this type, look at this one:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
>>
>>It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
>>quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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I guess he is anxious to sell -- "Major price reduction! Owner wants
boat sold! Bring all offers!"
It looks a lot bigger that S48. The price would be well below
replacement cost and lot cheaper than a house if you wanted to live
aboard.
Howard
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wrote:
boat sold! Bring all offers!"
It looks a lot bigger that S48. The price would be well below
replacement cost and lot cheaper than a house if you wanted to live
aboard.
Howard
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wrote:
>one:
> If you are really interested in a boat of this type, look at this
>
>http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
>
> It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
> quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
Actually I saw that one, its nice, seller motivated too !!
But, my first choice is an aluminum gazelle near seattle for more money, but
its a tradional schooner. I would truck it to the Mizzou River and float it
down to the Gulf and ... do the "Tour de Rhum" :)
http://ministryofrum.com/
This guy is cool, his motto is "you cant drink all day unless you start early"
He lost his sloop when he mistook an anchor light for aid-to-navigation. Then
some rich folks gave him their yacht cuz they liked his life's mission.
His mission might raise questions about his shipwreck, but what the heck
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But, my first choice is an aluminum gazelle near seattle for more money, but
its a tradional schooner. I would truck it to the Mizzou River and float it
down to the Gulf and ... do the "Tour de Rhum" :)
http://ministryofrum.com/
This guy is cool, his motto is "you cant drink all day unless you start early"
He lost his sloop when he mistook an anchor light for aid-to-navigation. Then
some rich folks gave him their yacht cuz they liked his life's mission.
His mission might raise questions about his shipwreck, but what the heck
--- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>=====
> If you are really interested in a boat of this type, look at this one:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
>
> It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
> quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
>
>
>
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Yeah -- ol' OB was a cool guy, never met him in person tho :(
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> The boats are nice too!
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> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 02:56 PM, John van V. wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I scanned in designs from high school and early college days, which
> > were
> > inspired by my years as a volunteer at the South Street Seaport Museum.
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/album/220006502nqCDga
> >
> > After I left college I was too poor to feel inspired to work on the
> > designs and
> > in the 90s I became far too busy since I was involved in the
> > development of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > I made half models of schooners from my best drawings but they are too
> > big to
> > scan at home. In fact all these drawings are meant to be preliminary
> > designs
> > for half models to be art as much as anything else.
> >
> > I still proud of them and I can't wait to get my own shop so I can
> > bring the
> > rest of them into the 3rd dimension -- and maybe even reality. They
> > are all
> > designed for traditional rigs, just as you might imagine, and the
> > hulls are
> > meant to be uncomplicated and easily produced.
> >
> > I have more, but they were all from small notebooks and need to be
> > cleaned up.
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> > John
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If you are really interested in a boat of this type, look at this one:
http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
http://tinyurl.com/54bfj
It's got a pilot house and a cat ketch rig. It's been for sale for
quite a while, so I suspect the owner is anxious.
"There's no better ballast that a good education."
The boats are nice too!
YIBB,
David
The boats are nice too!
YIBB,
David
On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 02:56 PM, John van V. wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I scanned in designs from high school and early college days, which
> were
> inspired by my years as a volunteer at the South Street Seaport Museum.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/220006502nqCDga
>
> After I left college I was too poor to feel inspired to work on the
> designs and
> in the 90s I became far too busy since I was involved in the
> development of the
> Internet.
>
> I made half models of schooners from my best drawings but they are too
> big to
> scan at home. In fact all these drawings are meant to be preliminary
> designs
> for half models to be art as much as anything else.
>
> I still proud of them and I can't wait to get my own shop so I can
> bring the
> rest of them into the 3rd dimension -- and maybe even reality. They
> are all
> designed for traditional rigs, just as you might imagine, and the
> hulls are
> meant to be uncomplicated and easily produced.
>
> I have more, but they were all from small notebooks and need to be
> cleaned up.
>
> John
>
> =====
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>
>
>
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Hello all,
I scanned in designs from high school and early college days, which were
inspired by my years as a volunteer at the South Street Seaport Museum.
http://community.webshots.com/album/220006502nqCDga
After I left college I was too poor to feel inspired to work on the designs and
in the 90s I became far too busy since I was involved in the development of the
Internet.
I made half models of schooners from my best drawings but they are too big to
scan at home. In fact all these drawings are meant to be preliminary designs
for half models to be art as much as anything else.
I still proud of them and I can't wait to get my own shop so I can bring the
rest of them into the 3rd dimension -- and maybe even reality. They are all
designed for traditional rigs, just as you might imagine, and the hulls are
meant to be uncomplicated and easily produced.
I have more, but they were all from small notebooks and need to be cleaned up.
John
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I scanned in designs from high school and early college days, which were
inspired by my years as a volunteer at the South Street Seaport Museum.
http://community.webshots.com/album/220006502nqCDga
After I left college I was too poor to feel inspired to work on the designs and
in the 90s I became far too busy since I was involved in the development of the
Internet.
I made half models of schooners from my best drawings but they are too big to
scan at home. In fact all these drawings are meant to be preliminary designs
for half models to be art as much as anything else.
I still proud of them and I can't wait to get my own shop so I can bring the
rest of them into the 3rd dimension -- and maybe even reality. They are all
designed for traditional rigs, just as you might imagine, and the hulls are
meant to be uncomplicated and easily produced.
I have more, but they were all from small notebooks and need to be cleaned up.
John
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Yes, that makes sense. I'd forgotten that s/s fasteners shouldn't be
used underwater in wooden boats.
Howard
used underwater in wooden boats.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> Maybe so but stainless suffers from crevice corrosion
> and is not appropriate for being imersed full time.
> You can't make a safe boat out of stainless.
I've visited that site from time to time. Lots of interesting designs
and what looks like authoritative information. But it's strange there
are no photos to be seen -- at the site or elsewhere that I can find -
- of any of his boats. I did see somewhere a long time ago a series
of photos of one of his smaller alu. powerboats being built.
Howard
and what looks like authoritative information. But it's strange there
are no photos to be seen -- at the site or elsewhere that I can find -
- of any of his boats. I did see somewhere a long time ago a series
of photos of one of his smaller alu. powerboats being built.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
>
> Also see for Aluminum info.
>
>http://www.kastenmarine.com/aluminum.htm
>
> Charles
I read somewhere, maybe this group, that someone saw one on, maybe, the
Mississippi and that it was slippery as.. muddy water
The drawn rig looked so exotic that I think maybe she's vanilla enough to allow
most any low-center-of-effort rig, except maybe bowsprit or jibboom.
I think I read that the construction was pretty easy too and that the welders
liked the design (or is that my imagination, not sure)
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Mississippi and that it was slippery as.. muddy water
The drawn rig looked so exotic that I think maybe she's vanilla enough to allow
most any low-center-of-effort rig, except maybe bowsprit or jibboom.
I think I read that the construction was pretty easy too and that the welders
liked the design (or is that my imagination, not sure)
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> > I like the solution 48 a lot.
> > Does anyone know where is can be seen in the
> > flesh ??
>
> Not I. But at least one was built, because one was advertised on
> YachtWorld some time ago. There was a picture, or maybe a couple, but
> there were kind of murky. The interior looked roomy. Since it's
> divided by the centerboard case, it's quite different from the usual
> yacht.
>
> If you find some pictures, please share.
>
> Peter
>
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> I like the solution 48 a lot.Not I. But at least one was built, because one was advertised on
> Does anyone know where is can be seen in the
> flesh ??
YachtWorld some time ago. There was a picture, or maybe a couple, but
there were kind of murky. The interior looked roomy. Since it's
divided by the centerboard case, it's quite different from the usual
yacht.
If you find some pictures, please share.
Peter
A better shot of that outrigger canoe, or one very like it, can be found in
the photos from last years' festival:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
I don't know anything more about it...
the photos from last years' festival:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Trigger-1A.jpg
I don't know anything more about it...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:41:56 -0000, Graeme wrote:
> ...
> Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone know
> what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls is?
> Any profile photos of it John?
> ...
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One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell by
Dickens without laughing. <Oscar Wilde>
Vito Dumas is obviously named for the great Argentine small boat sailor, but
that wasn't her original name; she was built in 1933, years before Dumas
completed his famous circumnavigation. It's interesting that Vito Dumas is
of the same general type as Dumas' Legh II, from the same designer, and
built in the same year. Here's what the boat festival catalog has to say:
"Designed by Manuel Campos and built by Jose Parodi in Buenos Aires,
Argentina, she is carvel-planked of Virraro on Lapacho frames. She came
north from South America on her own bottom in 1975. Alex bought her in San
Diego in early 1976 and has now owned her for nearly 30 years. She races
actively in Port Townsend and has cruised extensively in the Northwest."
Those of us who don't read Spanish well can learn about Vito Dumas' voyage
here:
http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/circumna/ci_15.htm
In a chapter from Don Holm's book "The Circumnavigators":
http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/circumna/ci_a.htm
that wasn't her original name; she was built in 1933, years before Dumas
completed his famous circumnavigation. It's interesting that Vito Dumas is
of the same general type as Dumas' Legh II, from the same designer, and
built in the same year. Here's what the boat festival catalog has to say:
"Designed by Manuel Campos and built by Jose Parodi in Buenos Aires,
Argentina, she is carvel-planked of Virraro on Lapacho frames. She came
north from South America on her own bottom in 1975. Alex bought her in San
Diego in early 1976 and has now owned her for nearly 30 years. She races
actively in Port Townsend and has cruised extensively in the Northwest."
Those of us who don't read Spanish well can learn about Vito Dumas' voyage
here:
http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/circumna/ci_15.htm
In a chapter from Don Holm's book "The Circumnavigators":
http://www.mcallen.lib.tx.us/books/circumna/ci_a.htm
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:31:23 -0300, Maximo wrote:
> ...
> Beautifull photos, thanks for sharing.
>
> It was very surprising to see a boat called "Vito Dumas".
> Vito Dumas was the greatest solo sailor of Argentina, not always
recognized
> by our own people. You could see some photos and text (spanish) in
>http://www.cibernautica.com.ar/vitodumas/indexvt.htm
--
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Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless
they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
Cheers, Nels
>How about wood? What are it's drawbacks?
> > Maybe so. But there's no denying the thought of a 40
> > foot stainless
> > steel box, surfing down a swell, tradewinds at her
> > back has a certain
> > allure that aluminum just can't match!
> >
> Maybe so but stainless suffers from crevice corrosion
> and is not appropriate for being imersed full time.
> You can't make a safe boat out of stainless.
>
> Aluminum or conventional steels are appropriate
> materials and stainless is not.
>
> Phil Smith
Cheers, Nels
> Maybe so. But there's no denying the thought of a 40Maybe so but stainless suffers from crevice corrosion
> foot stainless
> steel box, surfing down a swell, tradewinds at her
> back has a certain
> allure that aluminum just can't match!
>
and is not appropriate for being imersed full time.
You can't make a safe boat out of stainless.
Aluminum or conventional steels are appropriate
materials and stainless is not.
Phil Smith
On Friday, November 26, 2004, at 10:29 AM, loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
steel box, surfing down a swell, tradewinds at her back has a certain
allure that aluminum just can't match!
-D
> There have been quite a few StainlessMaybe so. But there's no denying the thought of a 40 foot stainless
> homebuilts in France that I know of and all of them have been of the
> opinion that
> Aluminum would have been better in the long run...
steel box, surfing down a swell, tradewinds at her back has a certain
allure that aluminum just can't match!
-D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
this in his book. SS has two states - Active and Passive. Welds have
to be "passivated" or they will corrode away. Bolts and screws can be
active.
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/corrosion/galvanic.htm
We have trouble with 316L stacks at work. The sulfur from coal makes
sulfuric acid and will eat an improperly welded patch or seam quickly.
Charles
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
>One of the reasons may be in the galvanic table. Gerr talks about
> Bob, would you be able to summarize the reasons for preferring
> aluminum over s/s? Before seeing your post, I'd have thought s/s to
this in his book. SS has two states - Active and Passive. Welds have
to be "passivated" or they will corrode away. Bolts and screws can be
active.
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/corrosion/galvanic.htm
We have trouble with 316L stacks at work. The sulfur from coal makes
sulfuric acid and will eat an improperly welded patch or seam quickly.
Charles
I like the solution 48 a lot. Does anyone know where is can be seen in the
flesh ??
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>
> Economy in metal construction depends as much on effective use of
> stock sizes as ply constcution depends on effective use of 4x8
> sheets. Ron Barnes wrote somewhere that a design by Bolger or Colvin
> could leave scarcely enough scrap to weld up an anchor. He was
> contraasting Weston Farmer's Tihitiana design which has several
> narrow strakes.
>
> So the real economy would not be in duplicating the exisiting
> sharpies, but in designing new ones. The Solution 48 and the Loose
> Moose probably have similar interior volume, since the 48 is double
> ended.
>
> Peter
>
>
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Bob, would you be able to summarize the reasons for preferring
aluminum over s/s? Before seeing your post, I'd have thought s/s to
be far too expensive, but superior in every other way, except perhaps
for oilcanning, particularly in a slab-sided design like LM2. It
seems the opposite is true.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@y...> wrote:
aluminum over s/s? Before seeing your post, I'd have thought s/s to
be far too expensive, but superior in every other way, except perhaps
for oilcanning, particularly in a slab-sided design like LM2. It
seems the opposite is true.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@y...> wrote:
>stainless was in the
> Just to throw light on the cost of a stainless steel Loose Moose...
>
> The cost they quoted me for a second LM2 (hull deck) in 316
> neighborhood of $20,000 and two weeks delivery which was veryattractive (but those were old pre EU prices)
>Stongall system
> Aluminum would have made more sense along the lines of the Met
> but that would have been very pricey indeed!...There have beenquite a few Stainless
> homebuilts in France that I know of and all of them have been ofthe opinion that
> Aluminum would have been better in the long run...
Economy in metal construction depends as much on effective use of
stock sizes as ply constcution depends on effective use of 4x8
sheets. Ron Barnes wrote somewhere that a design by Bolger or Colvin
could leave scarcely enough scrap to weld up an anchor. He was
contraasting Weston Farmer's Tihitiana design which has several
narrow strakes.
So the real economy would not be in duplicating the exisiting
sharpies, but in designing new ones. The Solution 48 and the Loose
Moose probably have similar interior volume, since the 48 is double
ended.
Peter
stock sizes as ply constcution depends on effective use of 4x8
sheets. Ron Barnes wrote somewhere that a design by Bolger or Colvin
could leave scarcely enough scrap to weld up an anchor. He was
contraasting Weston Farmer's Tihitiana design which has several
narrow strakes.
So the real economy would not be in duplicating the exisiting
sharpies, but in designing new ones. The Solution 48 and the Loose
Moose probably have similar interior volume, since the 48 is double
ended.
Peter
Just to throw light on the cost of a stainless steel Loose Moose...
The company I was using for fabricating the varios widgets for Loose Moose was just
up the hill from my boatbuilding site in Meaux France and was not involved in
building boat stuff at all...They mainly made stainless steel milk tanks for semi-truck
trailers (which are just about the size of Loose Moose 2)
The cost they quoted me for a second LM2 (hull deck) in 316 stainless was in the
neighborhood of $20,000 and two weeks delivery which was very attractive (but
those were old pre EU prices)
Aluminum would have made more sense along the lines of the Met Stongall system
but that would have been very pricey indeed!...There have been quite a few Stainless
homebuilts in France that I know of and all of them have been of the opinion that
Aluminum would have been better in the long run...
On another subject Bolger content is beginning to creep into my boat blog http://
www.loosemoosefilmworks.com/boatblog/
Bob
The company I was using for fabricating the varios widgets for Loose Moose was just
up the hill from my boatbuilding site in Meaux France and was not involved in
building boat stuff at all...They mainly made stainless steel milk tanks for semi-truck
trailers (which are just about the size of Loose Moose 2)
The cost they quoted me for a second LM2 (hull deck) in 316 stainless was in the
neighborhood of $20,000 and two weeks delivery which was very attractive (but
those were old pre EU prices)
Aluminum would have made more sense along the lines of the Met Stongall system
but that would have been very pricey indeed!...There have been quite a few Stainless
homebuilts in France that I know of and all of them have been of the opinion that
Aluminum would have been better in the long run...
On another subject Bolger content is beginning to creep into my boat blog http://
www.loosemoosefilmworks.com/boatblog/
Bob
curtis,
the bottom is 3/16 and the rest of the entire boat is 1/8 so thats
why able to keep it light the boat under aluminum is one i posted
awhile ago tried to post all of them but had major problems doing
it...any how give me a gingle at
reiver_madness@...
and i can forward you some pics that away.... thanks Deuce..
the bottom is 3/16 and the rest of the entire boat is 1/8 so thats
why able to keep it light the boat under aluminum is one i posted
awhile ago tried to post all of them but had major problems doing
it...any how give me a gingle at
reiver_madness@...
and i can forward you some pics that away.... thanks Deuce..
Here's the link to that pic of Cartopper and the outrigger:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/Cartopper.jpg
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984"
<graeme19121984@y...> wrote:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/Cartopper.jpg
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984"
<graeme19121984@y...> wrote:
>
> Nice photos John.
>
> Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone know
> what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls is?
> Any profile photos of it John?
>
> What do people think of adding an outrigger to a Surf or Zephyr,
> especially for singlehanding? Has anyone already done that?
>
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> > Here are some of the photos I took at the Port Townsend Wooden
> Boat Festival
> > back in September. There are even a few Bolger boats!
> >
> >http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/
> >
> > --
> > John <jkohnen@b...>
> >http://www.boat-links.com/
> > One cat just leads to another.
> > <Ernest Hemingway>
Nice photos John.
Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone know
what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls is?
Any profile photos of it John?
What do people think of adding an outrigger to a Surf or Zephyr,
especially for singlehanding? Has anyone already done that?
Graeme
Re the 19th from top: the Cartopper with 3 girls. Does anyone know
what the outrigger skiff/canoe coming head-on toward the girls is?
Any profile photos of it John?
What do people think of adding an outrigger to a Surf or Zephyr,
especially for singlehanding? Has anyone already done that?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> Here are some of the photos I took at the Port Townsend Wooden
Boat Festival
> back in September. There are even a few Bolger boats!
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> One cat just leads to another.
> <Ernest Hemingway>
Hi, I would love to chat with you, to discuss your experiences (but
your e-mail bounced).
I am curious about the aluminum Diablo's - was this a commercial
venture? Do you have photos? 450 lbs sounds very light - how did
you keep it so light? What is a reasonable price to pay to have
this boat built locally, or does it make sense to have it shipped?
Thanks, Curtis
your e-mail bounced).
I am curious about the aluminum Diablo's - was this a commercial
venture? Do you have photos? 450 lbs sounds very light - how did
you keep it so light? What is a reasonable price to pay to have
this boat built locally, or does it make sense to have it shipped?
Thanks, Curtis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "blue_powered" <khaz@p...> wrote:
>
> its neet to finally see more talk about metal boats,i know its more
> stich and glue,epoxy talk than any thing but im into metal boats
and
> building them...have built 4 or 5 diablo's out of 1/8 plate the
> finished weight of our hulls are around 450 pounds completed with
> self bailing decks and foam below..have also built quite a few
boats
> called the dead rise 19 meant origanly for stich and glue but have
> built out of aluminum..they are designed by tracy obrien..so its
> very do able ..my boss has buit sweet pea out of aluminum its a
nice
> little rig too..anything is possible.
its neet to finally see more talk about metal boats,i know its more
stich and glue,epoxy talk than any thing but im into metal boats and
building them...have built 4 or 5 diablo's out of 1/8 plate the
finished weight of our hulls are around 450 pounds completed with
self bailing decks and foam below..have also built quite a few boats
called the dead rise 19 meant origanly for stich and glue but have
built out of aluminum..they are designed by tracy obrien..so its
very do able ..my boss has buit sweet pea out of aluminum its a nice
little rig too..anything is possible.
stich and glue,epoxy talk than any thing but im into metal boats and
building them...have built 4 or 5 diablo's out of 1/8 plate the
finished weight of our hulls are around 450 pounds completed with
self bailing decks and foam below..have also built quite a few boats
called the dead rise 19 meant origanly for stich and glue but have
built out of aluminum..they are designed by tracy obrien..so its
very do able ..my boss has buit sweet pea out of aluminum its a nice
little rig too..anything is possible.
My suggestion that 1/2" ply would weigh about the same as 1/8"
aluminum was a very quick estimate, assuming that the ply would have
a density of 0.6; but it seems to be about right. There are lots of
variables, including the fact that even epoxy-coated plywood can
absorb water.
A quick Google search has come up with the following:
http://www.matweb.com
You'll find all kinds of info. there about all kinds of material,
including 200 kinds of wood and several kinds of epoxy.
Howard
aluminum was a very quick estimate, assuming that the ply would have
a density of 0.6; but it seems to be about right. There are lots of
variables, including the fact that even epoxy-coated plywood can
absorb water.
A quick Google search has come up with the following:
http://www.matweb.com
You'll find all kinds of info. there about all kinds of material,
including 200 kinds of wood and several kinds of epoxy.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> I figure weight to be about the same as dry 3/4 ply, or 1/2 ply
plus
> glass/epoxy.
A few notes on the metal boats discussion -
I think I've posted before on a Teal, built as a trial - welded 1/8"
alum plate. It's heavy, and dragging it over sharp rocks leaves big
scratches, but in 3 years it's required no paint, maintenance or
care - I'm not planning to do much in the next 30 years, either.
I figure weight to be about the same as dry 3/4 ply, or 1/2 ply plus
glass/epoxy. I used "the right" alloy, forget which; rivets and
scrap fittings of other alloys have corroded away.
If you are really serious, Pollard's "Boatbuilding in Aluminum" and
Gerr's "Boat Strength" will answer most questions about materials,
welding, stringers, etc.
I would like to explore riveting and glueing; it would make it
possible to use lighter material, particularly on topsides and deck.
I've had good success using epoxy to glue "skid plates" on other
boats, but an attempt to use more flexible 3M 5200 failed
completely. I had contacted 3M to ask about its use with aluminum,
what surface prep was required, etc -- they wrote back "we don't
provide instructions in how to build a boat". Anyway, the sanding
and solvent I used was clearly the wrong approach.
The next aluminum boat may come soon, Diablo's transom is pulling
apart, and "She Whose Whim Is Law" has been hinting it's time to
build a "forever" boat. Now if I can get her enthused about a
metal "Rescue Minor"!
Curtis
I think I've posted before on a Teal, built as a trial - welded 1/8"
alum plate. It's heavy, and dragging it over sharp rocks leaves big
scratches, but in 3 years it's required no paint, maintenance or
care - I'm not planning to do much in the next 30 years, either.
I figure weight to be about the same as dry 3/4 ply, or 1/2 ply plus
glass/epoxy. I used "the right" alloy, forget which; rivets and
scrap fittings of other alloys have corroded away.
If you are really serious, Pollard's "Boatbuilding in Aluminum" and
Gerr's "Boat Strength" will answer most questions about materials,
welding, stringers, etc.
I would like to explore riveting and glueing; it would make it
possible to use lighter material, particularly on topsides and deck.
I've had good success using epoxy to glue "skid plates" on other
boats, but an attempt to use more flexible 3M 5200 failed
completely. I had contacted 3M to ask about its use with aluminum,
what surface prep was required, etc -- they wrote back "we don't
provide instructions in how to build a boat". Anyway, the sanding
and solvent I used was clearly the wrong approach.
The next aluminum boat may come soon, Diablo's transom is pulling
apart, and "She Whose Whim Is Law" has been hinting it's time to
build a "forever" boat. Now if I can get her enthused about a
metal "Rescue Minor"!
Curtis
> There is aluminum and aluminum, and even aluminium, where I comeI think that grade 6061, commonly available, meets that need,
> from. It has to be marine-grade alloy that has the correct strength
> and stiffness and won't corrode in salt water.
it is expensive.
> There's definitely scope for building a riveted hull.How many rivited aluminum skiffs and jon boats precede us?
At least a million.
There is aluminum and aluminum, and even aluminium, where I come
from. It has to be marine-grade alloy that has the correct strength
and stiffness and won't corrode in salt water.
There's definitely scope for building a riveted hull. They still
build aircraft that way, sometimes combined with epoxy adhesives.
Howard
from. It has to be marine-grade alloy that has the correct strength
and stiffness and won't corrode in salt water.
There's definitely scope for building a riveted hull. They still
build aircraft that way, sometimes combined with epoxy adhesives.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John van V." <john_van_v@y...> wrote:
> Along the banks of the old Deleware-Hudson canal in Kingston NY
(the Rondout)
> there is an aluminum recycler that could provide any endless kinds
of braces.
> Fastening seems like an option too for aluminum. A pre-welded hull
could be
> fitted out by the owner w/o the benefit of welding skill.
>
> The galvi life boat of my youth was entirely lapstraked in sheet
steel with
> flattened rivets, and was very light.
I am guessing that aluminum usage would be stiffer because the plate would be
thicker since it is less dense.
In thinking about the insulation problem, maybe a foam sandwhich could be a
good stiffener.
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thicker since it is less dense.
In thinking about the insulation problem, maybe a foam sandwhich could be a
good stiffener.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> > However, my suspicion is that the 1/8" plate would not be stiff=====
> > enough without extra support -- stringers or whatever.
>
> Col. Hasler is an example, PB&F specify 1/8" steel. That would
> be 11 guage, an odd size. 12 guage is a little less and 10 guage
> a little more. The write-up to Hasler says to avoid the temptation
> to use heavier steel. They show stiffeners, made from bent plate
> angles, stitch welded to the flat areas of the hull at about one foot
> spacing.
>
> I recall that 1/8" steel is about as strong in bending as 1/2" plywood.
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> However, my suspicion is that the 1/8" plate would not be stiffCol. Hasler is an example, PB&F specify 1/8" steel. That would
> enough without extra support -- stringers or whatever.
be 11 guage, an odd size. 12 guage is a little less and 10 guage
a little more. The write-up to Hasler says to avoid the temptation
to use heavier steel. They show stiffeners, made from bent plate
angles, stitch welded to the flat areas of the hull at about one foot
spacing.
I recall that 1/8" steel is about as strong in bending as 1/2" plywood.
--- Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
for it, "arm chair"
experience is a good school too.
One thing I know about aluminum is that scrap is very usable, much more so than
any other material.
Along the banks of the old Deleware-Hudson canal in Kingston NY (the Rondout)
there is an aluminum recycler that could provide any endless kinds of braces.
Fastening seems like an option too for aluminum. A pre-welded hull could be
fitted out by the owner w/o the benefit of welding skill.
The galvi life boat of my youth was entirely lapstraked in sheet steel with
flattened rivets, and was very light. I see examples of her in front of
sea-food resturants all over the country.
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>hahahaha, but.. do I EVER hate hypothetical sailing !! I think there is a word
> If we eliminated all the hypotheticals from this group, there would
> be about two posts a week ;-]
for it, "arm chair"
> However, my suspicion is that the 1/8" plate would not be stiffHmmm thats the kind of stuff I was wondering. Maybe engineer is a strong word,
> enough without extra support -- stringers or whatever.
experience is a good school too.
One thing I know about aluminum is that scrap is very usable, much more so than
any other material.
Along the banks of the old Deleware-Hudson canal in Kingston NY (the Rondout)
there is an aluminum recycler that could provide any endless kinds of braces.
Fastening seems like an option too for aluminum. A pre-welded hull could be
fitted out by the owner w/o the benefit of welding skill.
The galvi life boat of my youth was entirely lapstraked in sheet steel with
flattened rivets, and was very light. I see examples of her in front of
sea-food resturants all over the country.
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I have 2 unfinished cartoppers out back that my sons started and did not
finish. They are even better looking in real life than they are in
pictures.
One of the "Johns" on this list (Did the article in Boatbuilder on
making birdsmouth masts) built two and sailed them in the Carquinez
Straits area of upper San Francisco Bay. He liked them a lot.
HJ
Will Samson wrote:
finish. They are even better looking in real life than they are in
pictures.
One of the "Johns" on this list (Did the article in Boatbuilder on
making birdsmouth masts) built two and sailed them in the Carquinez
Straits area of upper San Francisco Bay. He liked them a lot.
HJ
Will Samson wrote:
>Just noticing what an attractive little boat Cartopper is.
>
>Anybody out there sailed in one?
>
>How does she perform?
>
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If we eliminated all the hypotheticals from this group, there would
be about two posts a week ;-]
Those Bolger boxes (with the plans showing plate dimensions) are an
invitation to build in metal, aren't they? Eighth-inch aluminum plate
would weigh about the same as 1/2" ply (is that what the AS29 is made
of?), so maybe it would be just a matter of taking the plans along to
a fabricator and asking him to cut out and weld up all the shapes
shown on the plan, but in alumium rather than in ply. You'd use 1/4"
plate on the bottom. No rot, no rust; no paint either, except on the
bottom, unless you wanted it to look pretty.
However, my suspicion is that the 1/8" plate would not be stiff
enough without extra support -- stringers or whatever. An engineer
would take about ten minutes to compare the two materials and provide
a definitive answer.
Howard
be about two posts a week ;-]
Those Bolger boxes (with the plans showing plate dimensions) are an
invitation to build in metal, aren't they? Eighth-inch aluminum plate
would weigh about the same as 1/2" ply (is that what the AS29 is made
of?), so maybe it would be just a matter of taking the plans along to
a fabricator and asking him to cut out and weld up all the shapes
shown on the plan, but in alumium rather than in ply. You'd use 1/4"
plate on the bottom. No rot, no rust; no paint either, except on the
bottom, unless you wanted it to look pretty.
However, my suspicion is that the 1/8" plate would not be stiff
enough without extra support -- stringers or whatever. An engineer
would take about ten minutes to compare the two materials and provide
a definitive answer.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John van V." <john_van_v@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I figure the welders could do it, thats my gut sense. It was a
hypothetical
> anyway.
I figure the welders could do it, thats my gut sense. It was a hypothetical
anyway.
Since these two hurricanes happened there are a lot of lightly damaged boats
almost for free, and a lot of really nice ones selling cheaply by spooked
owners. Check ebay if you are curious.
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Since these two hurricanes happened there are a lot of lightly damaged boats
almost for free, and a lot of really nice ones selling cheaply by spooked
owners. Check ebay if you are curious.
--- Philip Smith <pbs@...> wrote:
> Then you choice is to convince PB&F to do the AS-29 in=====
> metal. I don't think they'll do it, but what do I
> know, they may already have her on the shelf.
>
> Phil Smith
>
>
> --- "John van V." <john_van_v@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Philip
> >
> > > If you are interested in metal boats, join the
> > Metal
> > > Boat Society.
> > >
> > >http://www.metalboatsociety.com/
> >
> > I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think
> > something like the Advanced
> > Sharpie is sooo much more appropriate for metal than
> > what I saw.
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Great pictures John, Thanks for sharing with us.
Then you choice is to convince PB&F to do the AS-29 in
metal. I don't think they'll do it, but what do I
know, they may already have her on the shelf.
Phil Smith
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metal. I don't think they'll do it, but what do I
know, they may already have her on the shelf.
Phil Smith
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> Metal
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> I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think
> something like the Advanced
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Cartopper was my first Bolger build. There are two sail rigs - the sprit
sail and the leg o'mutton. Upon advice from Dynamite Payson I chose the leg
o'mutton. She sailed very well, but I never "raced" against another boat so
I don't know how fast she was. It was like sailing a very responsive
dinghy. It's necessary to be able to shift weight quickly in puffy
conditions. My problem was that I wanted something a little more stable so
I built a Bobcat which I now use and really like.
Peter Anderson
sail and the leg o'mutton. Upon advice from Dynamite Payson I chose the leg
o'mutton. She sailed very well, but I never "raced" against another boat so
I don't know how fast she was. It was like sailing a very responsive
dinghy. It's necessary to be able to shift weight quickly in puffy
conditions. My problem was that I wanted something a little more stable so
I built a Bobcat which I now use and really like.
Peter Anderson
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From: "Will Samson" <willsamson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Boat Festival Photos
>
> Just noticing what an attractive little boat Cartopper is.
>
> Anybody out there sailed in one?
>
> How does she perform?
>
> Bill
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Apparently at the price Bob was getting stainless would have been doing.
In any case, sprayed zinc? Hot dip!
When I was researching the keel for the I60 I found out that there is
more than one place in the NY metro area where (if you wanted to,) you
could hot dip a LMII. They'd charge you about .22/pound.
-D
In any case, sprayed zinc? Hot dip!
When I was researching the keel for the I60 I found out that there is
more than one place in the NY metro area where (if you wanted to,) you
could hot dip a LMII. They'd charge you about .22/pound.
-D
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> Hmmmm, well maybe zinc sprayed steel ;)
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> Stainless is expensive in quantity.
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> --- David Ryan <
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>> When I was traveling with Bob Wise a couple of years ago, he told me
>> about the folks who fabricated the stainless steel fittings for the
>> Loose Moose II. He said when he saw the (apparently low) price they
>> charged, he wondered if he shouldn't have made the entire hull out of
>> stainless steel!
>>
>> Wouldn't that be a site!
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 03:16 PM, John van V. wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Philip
>>>
>>>> If you are interested in metal boats, join the Metal
>>>> Boat Society.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.metalboatsociety.com/
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>>> I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think something like the
>>> Advanced
>>> Sharpie is sooo much more appropriate for metal than what I saw.
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Hmmmm, well maybe zinc sprayed steel ;)
Stainless is expensive in quantity.
I had a dipped-zinc life boat named Athos (after the chubby musketeer) at the
South Street Seaport. It was virutally indestructable, a duffuss named Roy
Lippman threw an old fashioned boat hook at it -- and it bounced out.
I am sure where ever she is...
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Stainless is expensive in quantity.
I had a dipped-zinc life boat named Athos (after the chubby musketeer) at the
South Street Seaport. It was virutally indestructable, a duffuss named Roy
Lippman threw an old fashioned boat hook at it -- and it bounced out.
I am sure where ever she is...
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> When I was traveling with Bob Wise a couple of years ago, he told me=====
> about the folks who fabricated the stainless steel fittings for the
> Loose Moose II. He said when he saw the (apparently low) price they
> charged, he wondered if he shouldn't have made the entire hull out of
> stainless steel!
>
> Wouldn't that be a site!
>
> -D
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 03:16 PM, John van V. wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Hi Philip
> >
> >> If you are interested in metal boats, join the Metal
> >> Boat Society.
> >>
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> > I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think something like the
> > Advanced
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> about the folks who fabricated the stainless steel fittings for the
> Loose Moose II. He said when he saw the (apparently low) price they
> charged, he wondered if he shouldn't have made the entire hull out of
> stainless steel!
>
> Wouldn't that be a site!
>
> -D
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>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 03:16 PM, John van V. wrote:
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> >
> > Hi Philip
> >
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> >> Boat Society.
> >>
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> >
> > I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think something like the
> > Advanced
> > Sharpie is sooo much more appropriate for metal than what I saw.
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Just noticing what an attractive little boat Cartopper is.
Anybody out there sailed in one?
How does she perform?
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Anybody out there sailed in one?
How does she perform?
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
When I was traveling with Bob Wise a couple of years ago, he told me
about the folks who fabricated the stainless steel fittings for the
Loose Moose II. He said when he saw the (apparently low) price they
charged, he wondered if he shouldn't have made the entire hull out of
stainless steel!
Wouldn't that be a site!
-D
about the folks who fabricated the stainless steel fittings for the
Loose Moose II. He said when he saw the (apparently low) price they
charged, he wondered if he shouldn't have made the entire hull out of
stainless steel!
Wouldn't that be a site!
-D
On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 03:16 PM, John van V. wrote:
>
>
> Hi Philip
>
>> If you are interested in metal boats, join the Metal
>> Boat Society.
>>
>>http://www.metalboatsociety.com/
>
> I looked their boats over, and frankly, I think something like the
> Advanced
> Sharpie is sooo much more appropriate for metal than what I saw.
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They are helpful. Lots of people building their own
boats, mostly steel.
The big problem with metal boats is the insulation to
keep it from being an oven in warm weather and an
icebox in cold.
Bolger has several metal designs including the
Anti-Spray which has a bunch of pictures in the
archives. (Very impressive too.)
Phil Smith
Boat Society.
http://www.metalboatsociety.com/
They are helpful. Lots of people building their own
boats, mostly steel.
The big problem with metal boats is the insulation to
keep it from being an oven in warm weather and an
icebox in cold.
Bolger has several metal designs including the
Anti-Spray which has a bunch of pictures in the
archives. (Very impressive too.)
Phil Smith
Hello all, I am super impressed by everyone's chattiness, honesty and
experience on this list.
I am looking for personal anecdotes on metal construction, if y'all have any.
I read books by colvin years ago, but the economy has changed since then.
I am contemplating buying a colvin designed schooner in Seattle and trucking it
to the Missouri (or Mizzou) and drifting it down to the gulf a'la Huck Finn.
I am wondering what kinds of designs are best suited for metals -- today.
Aluminum use might be different from steel as steel is relatively cheap but
heavy, aluminum is light but more expensive. Differing construction techniques
between steel and aluminum might impact design and cost.
John van V.
PsI have a collection of drawings the I did in college. That was before the
oil-rig "incident." They are on webshotsut the webshots login process is
presently broken. I will post when I can access the site.
After the "incident" I spent a decade off the water and only recently re-joined
my nautical past. I was one of the original volunteers as the South Street
Seaport Museum, a story unto itself. If anybody here has ever heard of Don
Meisner who was a leader and brillant designer, he was my childhood mentor and
extra dad.
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experience on this list.
I am looking for personal anecdotes on metal construction, if y'all have any.
I read books by colvin years ago, but the economy has changed since then.
I am contemplating buying a colvin designed schooner in Seattle and trucking it
to the Missouri (or Mizzou) and drifting it down to the gulf a'la Huck Finn.
I am wondering what kinds of designs are best suited for metals -- today.
Aluminum use might be different from steel as steel is relatively cheap but
heavy, aluminum is light but more expensive. Differing construction techniques
between steel and aluminum might impact design and cost.
John van V.
PsI have a collection of drawings the I did in college. That was before the
oil-rig "incident." They are on webshotsut the webshots login process is
presently broken. I will post when I can access the site.
After the "incident" I spent a decade off the water and only recently re-joined
my nautical past. I was one of the original volunteers as the South Street
Seaport Museum, a story unto itself. If anybody here has ever heard of Don
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> Here are some of the photos I took at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat FestivalBeautifull photos, thanks for sharing.
> back in September. There are even a few Bolger boats!
It was very surprising to see a boat called "Vito Dumas".
Vito Dumas was the greatest solo sailor of Argentina, not always recognized
by our own people. You could see some photos and text (spanish) in
http://www.cibernautica.com.ar/vitodumas/indexvt.htm
Regards, Máximo.
Beautiful photos of beautiful boats, John. Now I know why I have
broadband...
Howard
broadband...
Howard
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> Here are some of the photos I took at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat
Festival back in September.
Here are some of the photos I took at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival
back in September. There are even a few Bolger boats!
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/
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back in September. There are even a few Bolger boats!
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/
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