Re: [bolger] Very Small Boats
My version of "Very Small Boats" was a portfolio of plans with commentary printed on one side of 10x12 sheets of paper. Looks like PCB was experimenting with a variety of versions at the time. Inevitably after 30 years and a couple of moves, many of the sheets in the portfolio have disappeared, but I still have a few. I believe that Small Boats includes all the information in the portfolio plus another 7 or 8 designs.
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry James
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Very Small Boats
Stew
It appears that there is more than one version of this. The copy in the
Seattle Library was bound, soft cover about the size of the old Saturday
Evening Post. The pages were printed on both sides and there were about
90 pages if I remember correctly. I should have hauled out my digital
and taken a couple of pictures, I can't even remember which boat was on
the cover. It did have the date 1970 in it.
HJ
Stew Miller wrote:
>I have shared a couple of pictures of Very Small Boats (VSB) at
>http://themillers.us/VerySmallBoats.html: a photo of the cover and a scan of the
>preface. Harry is correct, VSB is a smaller, earlier version of Small Boats (SB). VSB
>contains plans and descriptions for 11 boats (listed below), compared to SB's 31
>designs. The VSB preface and boat descriptions are repeated in SB and expanded slightly.
>
>My copy is not bound in any way; just 48 loose pages. Most pages are only printed on
>one side, and none are numbered. It is still in the original mailing envelope
>postmarked Gloucester, and bearing PCB's (no friends yet ;) return address.
>
>Complete plans seem to be included for all except one boat, for which Mr. Bolger directs
>the reader to another source. One interesting difference is that the plans in VSB are
>1/2 size, and could actually be used for building. Compare that to the small plans in
>SB which are only to illustrate the text.
>
>VSB includes plans for:
>
>Name Number
>Archaeopteryx 202
>Halloween 211
>Victoria 218
>Rose Pinnace 229
>Otter 231
>Seguin 232
>Yarrow 233
>Fieldmouse 234
>Defender 236
>Monhegan 237
>Kotick 240
>
>Gosh, those lines on Yarrow are sure sweet. If anyone would like to study some of these
>plans, let me know and I'll send you a high-res scan.
>
>Regards,
>Stew
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Sorry, I'm not a Tennessee builder, although at one stage I was on
the point of ordering the material to build one. But here goes: it's
definitely planing.
This is what PCB says in the preface to "Folding
Schooner": "... 'planing', of which I say briefly and dogmatically
that if a boat is light and powerful enough to plane well, she can't
be prevented from planing; all the designer needs to worry about is
her attitude and stability."
A statement like that can never be wrong, of course, because if you
come up with a hull that cannot be made to plane, PCB would just say
that it's either not light enough or doesn't have enough power.
It seems to me that to plane, a hull needs (apart from lightness and
power) a relatively flat surface to plane on. Tennessee's bottom is
only slightly rockered and is flatter aft than amidships. So, when it
is light enough and has enough power, it planes on the aft half or
third of its hull.
the point of ordering the material to build one. But here goes: it's
definitely planing.
This is what PCB says in the preface to "Folding
Schooner": "... 'planing', of which I say briefly and dogmatically
that if a boat is light and powerful enough to plane well, she can't
be prevented from planing; all the designer needs to worry about is
her attitude and stability."
A statement like that can never be wrong, of course, because if you
come up with a hull that cannot be made to plane, PCB would just say
that it's either not light enough or doesn't have enough power.
It seems to me that to plane, a hull needs (apart from lightness and
power) a relatively flat surface to plane on. Tennessee's bottom is
only slightly rockered and is flatter aft than amidships. So, when it
is light enough and has enough power, it planes on the aft half or
third of its hull.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> While searching for Black Skimmer photos I came across these pics
of a
> Tennessee in Washington a few years ago. Now my understanding of
the
> Tennessee is that it is a displacement hull and might exceed hull
speed
> because of its length width, but not because it was on step. Sure
looks
> like it is on a slow plane to me.
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/postings/pages/dicktenn.htm
>
> You Tennessee builders want to comment?
While searching for Black Skimmer photos I came across these pics of a
Tennessee in Washington a few years ago. Now my understanding of the
Tennessee is that it is a displacement hull and might exceed hull speed
because of its length width, but not because it was on step. Sure looks
like it is on a slow plane to me.
http://www.boatdesign.com/postings/pages/dicktenn.htm
You Tennessee builders want to comment?
HJ
Tennessee in Washington a few years ago. Now my understanding of the
Tennessee is that it is a displacement hull and might exceed hull speed
because of its length width, but not because it was on step. Sure looks
like it is on a slow plane to me.
http://www.boatdesign.com/postings/pages/dicktenn.htm
You Tennessee builders want to comment?
HJ
Stew
It appears that there is more than one version of this. The copy in the
Seattle Library was bound, soft cover about the size of the old Saturday
Evening Post. The pages were printed on both sides and there were about
90 pages if I remember correctly. I should have hauled out my digital
and taken a couple of pictures, I can't even remember which boat was on
the cover. It did have the date 1970 in it.
HJ
Stew Miller wrote:
It appears that there is more than one version of this. The copy in the
Seattle Library was bound, soft cover about the size of the old Saturday
Evening Post. The pages were printed on both sides and there were about
90 pages if I remember correctly. I should have hauled out my digital
and taken a couple of pictures, I can't even remember which boat was on
the cover. It did have the date 1970 in it.
HJ
Stew Miller wrote:
>I have shared a couple of pictures of Very Small Boats (VSB) at
>http://themillers.us/VerySmallBoats.html: a photo of the cover and a scan of the
>preface. Harry is correct, VSB is a smaller, earlier version of Small Boats (SB). VSB
>contains plans and descriptions for 11 boats (listed below), compared to SB's 31
>designs. The VSB preface and boat descriptions are repeated in SB and expanded slightly.
>
>My copy is not bound in any way; just 48 loose pages. Most pages are only printed on
>one side, and none are numbered. It is still in the original mailing envelope
>postmarked Gloucester, and bearing PCB's (no friends yet ;) return address.
>
>Complete plans seem to be included for all except one boat, for which Mr. Bolger directs
>the reader to another source. One interesting difference is that the plans in VSB are
>1/2 size, and could actually be used for building. Compare that to the small plans in
>SB which are only to illustrate the text.
>
>VSB includes plans for:
>
>Name Number
>Archaeopteryx 202
>Halloween 211
>Victoria 218
>Rose Pinnace 229
>Otter 231
>Seguin 232
>Yarrow 233
>Fieldmouse 234
>Defender 236
>Monhegan 237
>Kotick 240
>
>Gosh, those lines on Yarrow are sure sweet. If anyone would like to study some of these
>plans, let me know and I'll send you a high-res scan.
>
>Regards,
>Stew
>
>
>
>
>
>
What do the "two sheet" boats look like? Is there anything that would
be fairly light once constructed?
Thanks
be fairly light once constructed?
Thanks
Gee, it would be fun if these could be posted somewhere where we could
browse through them, sort of like the Svensons PopMech/MechIllus site...
browse through them, sort of like the Svensons PopMech/MechIllus site...
Quite seriously, Stew, it's so rare and important that you should
bequeath it to a museum or a reference library that will value and
preserve it; Mystic Seaport, maybe.
To me, the preface to this and Small Boats show clearly that PCB was
quite happy for people to build boats from either of these
publications without feeling obliged to buy plans from him. It's true
the drawings in SB are reproduced to no particular scale, but all the
details can be read with a magnifying glass.
Howard
bequeath it to a museum or a reference library that will value and
preserve it; Mystic Seaport, maybe.
To me, the preface to this and Small Boats show clearly that PCB was
quite happy for people to build boats from either of these
publications without feeling obliged to buy plans from him. It's true
the drawings in SB are reproduced to no particular scale, but all the
details can be read with a magnifying glass.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Stew Miller <junkmail@t...> wrote:
> I have shared a couple of pictures of Very Small Boats (VSB) at
>http://themillers.us/VerySmallBoats.html: a photo of the cover and
a scan of the
> preface. Harry is correct, VSB is a smaller, earlier version of
Small Boats (SB).
I have shared a couple of pictures of Very Small Boats (VSB) at
http://themillers.us/VerySmallBoats.html: a photo of the cover and a scan of the
preface. Harry is correct, VSB is a smaller, earlier version of Small Boats (SB). VSB
contains plans and descriptions for 11 boats (listed below), compared to SB's 31
designs. The VSB preface and boat descriptions are repeated in SB and expanded slightly.
My copy is not bound in any way; just 48 loose pages. Most pages are only printed on
one side, and none are numbered. It is still in the original mailing envelope
postmarked Gloucester, and bearing PCB's (no friends yet ;) return address.
Complete plans seem to be included for all except one boat, for which Mr. Bolger directs
the reader to another source. One interesting difference is that the plans in VSB are
1/2 size, and could actually be used for building. Compare that to the small plans in
SB which are only to illustrate the text.
VSB includes plans for:
Name Number
Archaeopteryx 202
Halloween 211
Victoria 218
Rose Pinnace 229
Otter 231
Seguin 232
Yarrow 233
Fieldmouse 234
Defender 236
Monhegan 237
Kotick 240
Gosh, those lines on Yarrow are sure sweet. If anyone would like to study some of these
plans, let me know and I'll send you a high-res scan.
Regards,
Stew
Group Master: feel free to copy these images to the Yahoo site, and shrink or OCR them.
I didn't want to take up space with such large files.
Stew Miller wrote:
http://themillers.us/VerySmallBoats.html: a photo of the cover and a scan of the
preface. Harry is correct, VSB is a smaller, earlier version of Small Boats (SB). VSB
contains plans and descriptions for 11 boats (listed below), compared to SB's 31
designs. The VSB preface and boat descriptions are repeated in SB and expanded slightly.
My copy is not bound in any way; just 48 loose pages. Most pages are only printed on
one side, and none are numbered. It is still in the original mailing envelope
postmarked Gloucester, and bearing PCB's (no friends yet ;) return address.
Complete plans seem to be included for all except one boat, for which Mr. Bolger directs
the reader to another source. One interesting difference is that the plans in VSB are
1/2 size, and could actually be used for building. Compare that to the small plans in
SB which are only to illustrate the text.
VSB includes plans for:
Name Number
Archaeopteryx 202
Halloween 211
Victoria 218
Rose Pinnace 229
Otter 231
Seguin 232
Yarrow 233
Fieldmouse 234
Defender 236
Monhegan 237
Kotick 240
Gosh, those lines on Yarrow are sure sweet. If anyone would like to study some of these
plans, let me know and I'll send you a high-res scan.
Regards,
Stew
Group Master: feel free to copy these images to the Yahoo site, and shrink or OCR them.
I didn't want to take up space with such large files.
Stew Miller wrote:
> Bruce,
> I didn't think ANYTHING had a ISBN in 1970. ;)
>
> I'll get some scans shared for you all,
> Stew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
Bay area, the small library in Sausalito has a great collection!
Everything from Bolger, Buehler, Colvin to Worchester (Junks and
Sampans of the Yangtze river delta!!! friendlygulltoo
> As a further brag Juneau, (population approx 30,000) has threeBolger
> titles in the stacks, it used to be four but somebody walked offwith 30
> Odd boats. Its all in where you are.world....
>
> HJ
>
> graeme19121984 wrote:
>
> >
> > The policy (?) of the library to purchase only contemporary non-
> >fiction titles is seriously flawed. ..Now,in a perfect
> >PCB:The Collected Works..... ah...libraries share their collection in that way. As an aside, in the SF
> >Graeme
> >
> >It may be a reasonable idea to try for an interlibrary loan. Many
Bay area, the small library in Sausalito has a great collection!
Everything from Bolger, Buehler, Colvin to Worchester (Junks and
Sampans of the Yangtze river delta!!! friendlygulltoo
> >
> >
> >
As a further brag Juneau, (population approx 30,000) has three Bolger
titles in the stacks, it used to be four but somebody walked off with 30
Odd boats. Its all in where you are.
HJ
graeme19121984 wrote:
titles in the stacks, it used to be four but somebody walked off with 30
Odd boats. Its all in where you are.
HJ
graeme19121984 wrote:
>
> The policy (?) of the library to purchase only contemporary non-
>fiction titles is seriously flawed. ..Now,in a perfect world....
>PCB:The Collected Works..... ah...
>Graeme
>
>
>
>
>
OK, ok, so I just happen to have a book on loan from a certain
library.
Thomas Firth Jones writing an appreciation of Phil Bolger, in 'New
Plywood Boats' p189, mentions PCB's five books describing his
designs and "one" about sailing rigs; innumerable magazine articles
commencing from his early career ('Blacksnake' in '55); a THOUSAND
letters a year, as likely handwritten and all nearly as succinct and
felicitously phrased as his books and articles; and a NUMBER of
novels none of which has found a commercial publisher. TFJ
says, 'Schorpioen', the one he has read was published by the
boatbuilders Duff and Duff.
TFJ judges the trouble with PCB's novels is that they are about
political and economic IDEAS, not about people. TFJ writes that PCB
reminds him of Ezra Pound whom he also met, in that he has to work
hard to keep the conversation on boats or people or nature, but with
the qualification that PCB is not nuts. He writes that foolishly he
said to PCB that Captain James Cook was the greatest man who ever
lived whereon Mr Bolger said, Cook would have to come second to Adam
Smith.
TFJ says in passing while commenting on PCB's voluminous
correspondence it is hard to envision how Mr Bolger "could have
accomplished all that he has had he not waited to marry until
relatively late in life". (Recently, I think , Jim Michalak, whilst
writing on PCB's UNPUBLISHED seas-of-peas theory commented on his
relationship with PCB, and alluded to a similar sentiment, offering
that they both were married about the same time.)
regards
Graeme
library.
Thomas Firth Jones writing an appreciation of Phil Bolger, in 'New
Plywood Boats' p189, mentions PCB's five books describing his
designs and "one" about sailing rigs; innumerable magazine articles
commencing from his early career ('Blacksnake' in '55); a THOUSAND
letters a year, as likely handwritten and all nearly as succinct and
felicitously phrased as his books and articles; and a NUMBER of
novels none of which has found a commercial publisher. TFJ
says, 'Schorpioen', the one he has read was published by the
boatbuilders Duff and Duff.
TFJ judges the trouble with PCB's novels is that they are about
political and economic IDEAS, not about people. TFJ writes that PCB
reminds him of Ezra Pound whom he also met, in that he has to work
hard to keep the conversation on boats or people or nature, but with
the qualification that PCB is not nuts. He writes that foolishly he
said to PCB that Captain James Cook was the greatest man who ever
lived whereon Mr Bolger said, Cook would have to come second to Adam
Smith.
TFJ says in passing while commenting on PCB's voluminous
correspondence it is hard to envision how Mr Bolger "could have
accomplished all that he has had he not waited to marry until
relatively late in life". (Recently, I think , Jim Michalak, whilst
writing on PCB's UNPUBLISHED seas-of-peas theory commented on his
relationship with PCB, and alluded to a similar sentiment, offering
that they both were married about the same time.)
regards
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Its quiz time folks.
>
> Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs
and the
> 1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has
anybody
> else seen it?
>
> HJ
>
> Howard Stephenson wrote:
>
> >It must be satisfying to have written a book that increases in
value
> >over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
> >page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of
mine
> >a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
> >
> >It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger
books
> >including this one :-]
> >
> >Howard
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >
Librarian bias? I don't know about that. 'Bias' implies some kind of
consistent direction, well founded or not.
Weird? In the sense of odd? Perhaps. Stupid? Yes, get this:
A month or five ago I borrowed Hartley's guide to boatbuilding, a
brand spanking new book. A 2003 (I think) unaltered re-edition of a
book FIFTY or more years old. A dated book just re-published.This
book advises amateurs of the joys and versatility of ASBESTOS in
boatbuilding.
For instance, how sensible yet easy it is to use asbestos for
lagging exhaust systems. Just get in there with bare hands, no safe
handling measures at all! Wrap those pipes with it wetted, and leave
to set hard. When its hard thats it, no need to seal it! Easy! In
the past I've seen some of this type of time-bomb lagging; hope I've
never been too close.
The policy (?) of the library to purchase only contemporary non-
fiction titles is seriously flawed. ..Now,in a perfect world....
PCB:The Collected Works..... ah...
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John van V." <john_van_v@y...>
wrote:
wrote:
consistent direction, well founded or not.
Weird? In the sense of odd? Perhaps. Stupid? Yes, get this:
A month or five ago I borrowed Hartley's guide to boatbuilding, a
brand spanking new book. A 2003 (I think) unaltered re-edition of a
book FIFTY or more years old. A dated book just re-published.This
book advises amateurs of the joys and versatility of ASBESTOS in
boatbuilding.
For instance, how sensible yet easy it is to use asbestos for
lagging exhaust systems. Just get in there with bare hands, no safe
handling measures at all! Wrap those pipes with it wetted, and leave
to set hard. When its hard thats it, no need to seal it! Easy! In
the past I've seen some of this type of time-bomb lagging; hope I've
never been too close.
The policy (?) of the library to purchase only contemporary non-
fiction titles is seriously flawed. ..Now,in a perfect world....
PCB:The Collected Works..... ah...
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John van V." <john_van_v@y...>
wrote:
> This is so stupid, some weird kinda librarian bias, what's up w/it ??
> I am acutally studying bias, which is different from xenophobia.Lewis Mumford.
> My experience was with the book "technics and civilization" by
> Written in 1934, it predicted the Tech boom ~exactly~ as ithappened.
> Unfortunately I read it in 2003.--- graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
> (we do not purchase nonfiction books
> with a publishing date more than 5 years ago)..."
>
This is so stupid, some weird kinda librarian bias, what's up w/ it ??
I am acutally studying bias, which is different from xenophobia.
My experience was with the book "technics and civilization" by Lewis Mumford.
Written in 1934, it predicted the Tech boom ~exactly~ as it happened.
Unfortunately I read it in 2003. Had I done so in 1999 I could have saved
myself about 50K in tech investments.
Mumford could have not known about the internet, but his genius was
understanding what is now called the "information society." He was a city
planner, probably the best too. He showed in his book how James Watt, inventor
of the steam engine, could not collect a dime.
On Amazon, you can read it online:
**http://tinyurl.com/6sgx4
--- graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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I am acutally studying bias, which is different from xenophobia.
My experience was with the book "technics and civilization" by Lewis Mumford.
Written in 1934, it predicted the Tech boom ~exactly~ as it happened.
Unfortunately I read it in 2003. Had I done so in 1999 I could have saved
myself about 50K in tech investments.
Mumford could have not known about the internet, but his genius was
understanding what is now called the "information society." He was a city
planner, probably the best too. He showed in his book how James Watt, inventor
of the steam engine, could not collect a dime.
On Amazon, you can read it online:
**http://tinyurl.com/6sgx4
--- graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
> (we do not purchase nonfiction books**
> with a publishing date more than 5 years ago)..."
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Sad, isn't it? Brisbane, with three times the population of Seattle,
is the third-largest city in an English-speaking so-called first-
world country of 20 million people. (I was there for a few hours
today).
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
is the third-largest city in an English-speaking so-called first-
world country of 20 million people. (I was there for a few hours
today).
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
>would
> Lucky Seattle.
>
> I recently asked Brisbane City Library to obtain any/all of Mr
> Bolger's books. No luck despite the large readership Mr Bolger
> have. They wrote:"Thank you for your interest in boatbuildinghave it Stew.
> titles...All of the books that you suggested are outside of the
> publishing date for purchase (we do not purchase nonfiction books
> with a publishing date more than 5 years ago)..."
Lucky Seattle.
I recently asked Brisbane City Library to obtain any/all of Mr
Bolger's books. No luck despite the large readership Mr Bolger would
have. They wrote:"Thank you for your interest in boatbuilding
titles...All of the books that you suggested are outside of the
publishing date for purchase (we do not purchase nonfiction books
with a publishing date more than 5 years ago)..."
When I decided to encourage my sons to take up sailing, and joined a
club etc. about 8 years ago, I found a copy of 'Folding Schooner'
while browsing the shelves of a branch library. They have since lost
it. However not before I was able to borrow it about twice a year
for a couple of years (always had to reserve it). I remain
thouroughly as amazed by Mr bolger's works now as I was then.
Couldn't be more gobsmacked. But appreciation,awe,respect,pleasure,
all increase.graeme
A last thought, it is a tribute to Mr
I recently asked Brisbane City Library to obtain any/all of Mr
Bolger's books. No luck despite the large readership Mr Bolger would
have. They wrote:"Thank you for your interest in boatbuilding
titles...All of the books that you suggested are outside of the
publishing date for purchase (we do not purchase nonfiction books
with a publishing date more than 5 years ago)..."
When I decided to encourage my sons to take up sailing, and joined a
club etc. about 8 years ago, I found a copy of 'Folding Schooner'
while browsing the shelves of a branch library. They have since lost
it. However not before I was able to borrow it about twice a year
for a couple of years (always had to reserve it). I remain
thouroughly as amazed by Mr bolger's works now as I was then.
Couldn't be more gobsmacked. But appreciation,awe,respect,pleasure,
all increase.graeme
A last thought, it is a tribute to Mr
> Bolger's literary skills that I could get so excited about readinga
> book on designs. I wish that all his books were more readilyavailable.
> His clear writing and sense of humor coupled with his amazingartistic
> abilities should have a wider audience.
>
> Congratulations to the people of Seattle on a really fine library.
>
> HJ
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> You have it Stew.
Bruce,
I didn't think ANYTHING had a ISBN in 1970. ;)
I'll get some scans shared for you all,
Stew
Harry James wrote:
I didn't think ANYTHING had a ISBN in 1970. ;)
I'll get some scans shared for you all,
Stew
Harry James wrote:
> Bruce
>
> I wrote it all down and then lost the paper when I got home in my
> typical CRS mode. I think that Stew on this list has a copy and might be
> able to provide it.
>
> HJ
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
>
>>>and there on the list was a TITLE I
>>>HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>New to me! Does that book have a ISBN number?
Bruce
I wrote it all down and then lost the paper when I got home in my
typical CRS mode. I think that Stew on this list has a copy and might be
able to provide it.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
I wrote it all down and then lost the paper when I got home in my
typical CRS mode. I think that Stew on this list has a copy and might be
able to provide it.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>and there on the list was a TITLE I
>>HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats".
>>
>>
>
>New to me! Does that book have a ISBN number?
>
>
>
>
I've never seen Very Small Boats, but in the early 70's, PCB was selling a portfolio of plans which he called "Small Boats" and it contained about 2/3's of the designs which were published as the book Small Boats.
I first became aware of PCB when I was flipping through a "Motor Boating and Sailing " and found a profile drawing of Monhegan. I thought then (and still think) it is a lovely boat. It took me a couple of years to figure out that Monhegan is very nearly a big model--delightful to look at but totally out of scale for normal sized folks.
Still, the drawing of Monhegan led to a lifetime fascination with traditional boats in general and PCB boats in particular.
John T
I first became aware of PCB when I was flipping through a "Motor Boating and Sailing " and found a profile drawing of Monhegan. I thought then (and still think) it is a lovely boat. It took me a couple of years to figure out that Monhegan is very nearly a big model--delightful to look at but totally out of scale for normal sized folks.
Still, the drawing of Monhegan led to a lifetime fascination with traditional boats in general and PCB boats in particular.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: 30-odd boats
> and there on the list was a TITLE I
> HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats".
New to me! Does that book have a ISBN number?
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> and there on the list was a TITLE INew to me! Does that book have a ISBN number?
> HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats".
You have it Stew.
My wife and I went outside to California in Sept. and on our way back we
stopped off in Seattle for a couple of days. My wife and I have a
serious book Jones, and we chose the hotel because it was across from
the new library. One of the things I check in a new library is how many
Bolger books they have. I figured with Seattle's maritime orientation
they would have a pretty complete collection and I was right. They had
everything except Schorpien (sp?) and there on the list was a TITLE I
HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats". I passed my wife on my way to
the reference desk, I was babbling excitedly and waving my little piece
of scrap paper with the info on it. She was waving a piece of paper and
talking rapidly about something heading in the other direction (I wonder
what that was about?).
At the desk they sent back into the Secret and Highly Secured stacks and
returned with a thin soft covered magazine sized book. Two armed guards
(slight exaggeration) watched me open it and I begin reading. I wish I
could share with you the anticipation I felt, it was a combination of
childhood Christmas coupled with a new set of plans in the mail.
As it turned out the reality was somewhat less. Very Small Boats appears
to be an earlier and truncated version of Small Boats. It was published
in 1970 and I think that International Marine then decided to have Phil
add more material and they republished under the name Small Boats in
hardback. It appears that because of its rarity it is valuable and the
Library was very protective of it. A last thought, it is a tribute to Mr
Bolger's literary skills that I could get so excited about reading a
book on designs. I wish that all his books were more readily available.
His clear writing and sense of humor coupled with his amazing artistic
abilities should have a wider audience.
Congratulations to the people of Seattle on a really fine library.
HJ
HJ
Stew Miller wrote:
My wife and I went outside to California in Sept. and on our way back we
stopped off in Seattle for a couple of days. My wife and I have a
serious book Jones, and we chose the hotel because it was across from
the new library. One of the things I check in a new library is how many
Bolger books they have. I figured with Seattle's maritime orientation
they would have a pretty complete collection and I was right. They had
everything except Schorpien (sp?) and there on the list was a TITLE I
HAD NEVER SEEN before "Very Small Boats". I passed my wife on my way to
the reference desk, I was babbling excitedly and waving my little piece
of scrap paper with the info on it. She was waving a piece of paper and
talking rapidly about something heading in the other direction (I wonder
what that was about?).
At the desk they sent back into the Secret and Highly Secured stacks and
returned with a thin soft covered magazine sized book. Two armed guards
(slight exaggeration) watched me open it and I begin reading. I wish I
could share with you the anticipation I felt, it was a combination of
childhood Christmas coupled with a new set of plans in the mail.
As it turned out the reality was somewhat less. Very Small Boats appears
to be an earlier and truncated version of Small Boats. It was published
in 1970 and I think that International Marine then decided to have Phil
add more material and they republished under the name Small Boats in
hardback. It appears that because of its rarity it is valuable and the
Library was very protective of it. A last thought, it is a tribute to Mr
Bolger's literary skills that I could get so excited about reading a
book on designs. I wish that all his books were more readily available.
His clear writing and sense of humor coupled with his amazing artistic
abilities should have a wider audience.
Congratulations to the people of Seattle on a really fine library.
HJ
HJ
Stew Miller wrote:
>I think I have it, Harry. Its name starts with the word "Very", it is dated 1970, and
>it is in the original shipping envelope with a Gloucester, MA postmark. <VBG>
>
>Stew, who has all of PCBs printings except 103...Rigs; 100 were enough for me.
>
>Harry James wrote:
>
>
>>Its quiz time folks.
>>
>>Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs and the
>>1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has anybody
>>else seen it?
>>
>>HJ
>>
>>Howard Stephenson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It must be satisfying to have written a book that increases in value
>>>over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
>>>page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of mine
>>>a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
>>>
>>>It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger books
>>>including this one :-]
>>>
>>>Howard
>>>
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I think I have it, Harry. Its name starts with the word "Very", it is dated 1970, and
it is in the original shipping envelope with a Gloucester, MA postmark. <VBG>
Stew, who has all of PCBs printings except 103...Rigs; 100 were enough for me.
Harry James wrote:
it is in the original shipping envelope with a Gloucester, MA postmark. <VBG>
Stew, who has all of PCBs printings except 103...Rigs; 100 were enough for me.
Harry James wrote:
> Its quiz time folks.
>
> Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs and the
> 1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has anybody
> else seen it?
>
> HJ
>
> Howard Stephenson wrote:
>
>
>>It must be satisfying to have written a book that increases in value
>>over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
>>page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of mine
>>a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
>>
>>It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger books
>>including this one :-]
>>
>>Howard
>>
>>--
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I was n't counting the Bolger Boats as a seperate book and I totally
forgot about the reissue of the rigs as 103. So I undercounted however I
think I have found another.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
forgot about the reissue of the rigs as 103. So I undercounted however I
think I have found another.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>Let's see:
>
>Small Boats 1973
>The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures in Yacht Design 1976
>Different Boats 1980
>30-odd boats 1982
>Bolger Boats 1983 (combines the first two)
>100 Small Boat Rigs 1984
>Boating with an Open Mind 1994
>103 Small Boat Rigs
>
>Schorpeon is the novel. Spelling could be wrong. I have all except
>the first one, the novel and 103..., all bought new.
>
>Is there a prize?
>
>Howard
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>
>
>>Its quiz time folks.
>>
>>Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs
>>
>>
>and the
>
>
>>1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has
>>
>>
>anybody
>
>
>>else seen it?
>>
>>
>
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>Bolger rules!!!
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Let's see:
Small Boats 1973
The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures in Yacht Design 1976
Different Boats 1980
30-odd boats 1982
Bolger Boats 1983 (combines the first two)
100 Small Boat Rigs 1984
Boats with an Open Mind 1994
103 Small Boat Rigs
Schorpeon is the novel. Spelling could be wrong. I have all except
the first one, the novel and 103..., all bought new.
Is there a prize?
Howard
Small Boats 1973
The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures in Yacht Design 1976
Different Boats 1980
30-odd boats 1982
Bolger Boats 1983 (combines the first two)
100 Small Boat Rigs 1984
Boats with an Open Mind 1994
103 Small Boat Rigs
Schorpeon is the novel. Spelling could be wrong. I have all except
the first one, the novel and 103..., all bought new.
Is there a prize?
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Its quiz time folks.
>
> Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs
and the
> 1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has
anybody else seen it?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bcd5194" <reenbrad@b...> wrote:
I've always had the best luck at www.powells.com
>****************
> anyone have a copy of 30-Odd Boats to sell?, don't care about
> condition as long as its intact. Thanks
I've always had the best luck at www.powells.com
Its quiz time folks.
Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs and the
1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has anybody
else seen it?
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
Any long time Bolger Fan can name the 6 books on design and rigs and the
1 fiction. I recently stumbled across a possible 8th book Has anybody
else seen it?
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>It must be satisfying to have written a book that increases in value
>over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
>page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of mine
>a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
>
>It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger books
>including this one :-]
>
>Howard
>
>--
>
>
>
It must be satisfying to have written a book that increases in value
over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of mine
a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger books
including this one :-]
Howard
over time. Yesterday I spent $1.00 on a second-hand copy of a 560-
page work of well-researched non-fiction written by a friend of mine
a few years ago. I haven't the heart to tell him...
It's also satisfying to the owner of a few out-of-print Bolger books
including this one :-]
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> If you do a search on bookfinder.com you will find 11 listed from
$50.00
> to $87.95. There might be a couple of double postings. It has gone
up
> about 80% in the last two years..
If you do a search on bookfinder.com you will find 11 listed from $50.00
to $87.95. There might be a couple of double postings. It has gone up
about 80% in the last two years..
HJ
bcd5194 wrote:
to $87.95. There might be a couple of double postings. It has gone up
about 80% in the last two years..
HJ
bcd5194 wrote:
>anyone have a copy of 30-Odd Boats to sell?, don't care about
>condition as long as its intact. Thanks
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcd5194 [mailto:reenbrad@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] 30-odd boats
anyone have a copy of 30-Odd Boats to sell?, don't care about condition as
long as its intact. Thanks
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Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] 30-odd boats
anyone have a copy of 30-Odd Boats to sell?, don't care about condition as
long as its intact. Thanks
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anyone have a copy of 30-Odd Boats to sell?, don't care about
condition as long as its intact. Thanks
condition as long as its intact. Thanks