Re: New Plan: Chebacco Raised Deck

re: Tabernacle. Wouldn't live without it. You leave the sails
attached when you pull the boat out. I have to walk to the front of
the boat on the side decks to raise the mast, but it's pretty easy.
I've done it afloat, but much easier on the trailer. Not having to
tie the sails on every time is sweet, and the folded mast makes a
nice place to secure the mizzen, etc, then you just put your sail
cover over it.

re: Size. Everyone is forgetting the Cruiser version. With the doors
to the cabin open, people can lounge in the cabin, sit and talk
comforatbly with the folks in the cockpit, etc., and have an
uninterupted view. Plus, the cabin is supposed to make for extra
floatation in a knockdown.

re: bowsprit. Look at some of the pictures of mine, I use a small
plank as a bowsprit, with a UHMW bushing for the anchor line. Don't
mess with a jib, I just use if for the anchor.
http://www.chebacco.com/articles/chebacco9.1/article.htm

re: size. It is SUPPOSED to be self-righting up to 90 degrees. I've
never tested it, but I hae had it over enough that water almost came
over the rail. The wide catboat shape is supposed to preclude the
nesssicity of ballast.

re: draining cockpit. Might be a very usefull thing to have. Not so
much for the sailing, as I've never had a wave come over the side or
back (knock on wood!), but to drain rainwater out. Even under the
tarp the cockpit tends to accumunlate rainwater. Doesn't seem to
bother the glassed MDO, but still annoying.


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
>
> The design has a nice slot in the cuddy roof for inserting the
mast,
> walking it up. No need for a tabernacle that I know of. Ed
Heins
> sort of stepped his while chatting with me. I do not recall any
> huffing and puffing in the slightest.
>
>
>
> Let me jump in a minute on the subject of the mast slot vs
tabernacle. As Dick mentioned my chebacco has the slot whic works
quite nicely. I like it best because I can position the step of the
mast in the slot and lay the mast aft across the main hatch. Then
get a stable position on the coachroof and lift it up. For a fat
old bald guy it's not too much trouble.
>
> Conversely my previous boat with a tabernacle (and longer stayed
mast) I had to position the step in the tabernacle then start
walking it up from somewhere in the cockpit. No matter how I tried
I still had to manage the climb out of the cockpit to the deck while
lifting the mast. To my way of thinking the slot works way better.
>
> I'm still toying with the bowsprit idea as well. Only because
I can :) That's what's great about building your own boat.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The design has a nice slot in the cuddy roof for inserting the mast,
walking it up. No need for a tabernacle that I know of. Ed Heins
sort of stepped his while chatting with me. I do not recall any
huffing and puffing in the slightest.



Let me jump in a minute on the subject of the mast slot vs tabernacle. As Dick mentioned my chebacco has the slot whic works quite nicely. I like it best because I can position the step of the mast in the slot and lay the mast aft across the main hatch. Then get a stable position on the coachroof and lift it up. For a fat old bald guy it's not too much trouble.

Conversely my previous boat with a tabernacle (and longer stayed mast) I had to position the step in the tabernacle then start walking it up from somewhere in the cockpit. No matter how I tried I still had to manage the climb out of the cockpit to the deck while lifting the mast. To my way of thinking the slot works way better.

I'm still toying with the bowsprit idea as well. Only because I can :) That's what's great about building your own boat.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The WB magazine that has a nice article on the Chebacco is the
July/August 1992 issue, number 107. Pges 80 - 84 inclusive. A good
article on the evolution of the design and handling characteristics.
The article compares 3 Chebacco designs: an early cold-molded version
with a barndoor rudder and the more well known sheet ply and the
lapstrake versions.

The design has a nice slot in the cuddy roof for inserting the mast,
walking it up. No need for a tabernacle that I know of. Ed Heins
sort of stepped his while chatting with me. I do not recall any
huffing and puffing in the slightest.

On the jib, I would think that a short stubby permanent bow sprit
(probably not so elegant but functional) that is sort of a plank
would be a handy place for an anchor. I believe a Brad Story built
Chebacco has this (current owner is Tim Smith and the boat is named
Lark and she has an anchor up there). Alternatively, Jamie Orr
places his anchor(s) under the cockpit floorboards by the CB trunk,
so your bowsprit is up to you!

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
>
> You may well be right on not needing a jib, but I am taking the
> approach that, while I am building it, it's far easier to build
that
> in now, and to have the option of not using it later!
>
> I don't think I've seen the WB article. Is it on the web somewhere?
>
> While we do have a copy of the spec, the best would be for
>
> BTW, are you putting in a tabernacle for the mast?
>
> Ben
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > On the bowsprit and jibs, see old issues of CN when Bill Samson
> was
> > the Gloriously Salubrious Leader of the Pack. Look for
commentary
> by
> > Fraser Howell, up in Nova Scotia, and his Chebacco "Itchy and
> > Scratchy." Fraser, in a recent communication to me, seems to
have
> > given way to his earlier experiments with bowsprits and larger
> jibs.
> > He thinks that the boat has enough get up and go as is. He did
> > mention, though, that he likes to troll with just jib and
mizzen.
> > But, I'll agree that a bowsprit only more glamorizes the pretty
> > boat. I've refrained, to date, but do think that an add-on, a
lay-
> > down one that would be placed to one side of the Jonesport
> > mooring/stem would work.
> >
> > I'll await PCB's exposition in an upcoming MAIB. Certainly I'm
> > interested in those aspects of this later version that can be
> > incorporated in my 'original' Chebacco, if they improve
> functionality
> > and don't destroy the design.
> >
> > There's more than a few words to be said about the role of Brad
> Story
> > in directing PCB to design a boat that would answer a
multiplicity
> of
> > needs (weight, cost, labor time, trailerability, aesthetics,
> > accomodation, etc.), though I doubt these will ever be thoroughly
> > voiced. The WBmag article on the Chebacco is about as close as
> it'll
> > come.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dick,
> > >
> > > The RD design has three drain holes: one at the rear of the
> cockpit
> > > going through the keel (which now extends up and through the
> bottom
> > > panel and stops at the raised floor board), and at each side of
> the
> > > CB. The down side of the raised floor is of course having less
> > > height for leg room, and the RD gets around that by having
> higher
> > > sides (sheer), allowing the seat to also go higher.
> > >
> > > The new CB by itself won't change the "steroid" nature as it
> adds
> > > only 70 lb or so to the original CB, although everything
> combined
> > as
> > > designed in the RD (water & holding tank, battery, etc.) all
add
> > > weight and will hold the boat down more.
> > >
> > > Bowsprit is my own preference. The Marsh Hen I have now has a
> > > bowsprit and I just like the look of it. I also like the option
> of
> > > raising a jib, as my sailing area often has light winds. Also
to
> be
> > > able to hang an anchor on the sprit without getting the muck
> into
> > > the boat is a nice feature.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb"
<dickburnham1@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate
> in
> > > > anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised
> > > flooring
> > > > for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water
> get
> > > out?
> > > >
> > > > Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
> > > > the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB
> is
> > > the
> > > > ticket to solving it?
> > > >
> > > > Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your
> > part?
> > > > I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it.
> Shall
> > I
> > > > rethink yet again?
> > > >
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've
> > > decided
> > > > > that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The
> > original
> > > > > Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and
> the
> > > new
> > > > > design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However
> there
> > > are a
> > > > > number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am
> > > finding
> > > > > that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
> > > > lapestrake
> > > > > plan:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self
> > > draining. I
> > > > > know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but
seeing
> > > that
> > > > on
> > > > > the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along
> > with...
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against
> > seas
> > > > and
> > > > > more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the
whole
> > > sheer
> > > > > by about 9"; and..
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built
> a
> > CB
> > > > > sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the
CB
> to
> > > > > withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could
> > happen
> > > to
> > > > > a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4
> deep
> > > > > cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric
> > outboard,
> > > > the
> > > > > combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the
> RD.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move
> the
> > > aft
> > > > > cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here,
> many
> > > have
> > > > > done it.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am
> not
> > > sure
> > > > > when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward
> > > ventilators,
> > > > > AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open
> on
> > > the
> > > > > top.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb"
> > <dickburnham1@a...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a
> hybrid
> > > > > between
> > > > > > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or
> > > whatnot.
> > > > > > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where
> ever.
> > > After
> > > > > > struggling so many years on the original (get the
> original!
> > > don't
> > > > > be
> > > > > > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased
> > enough
> > > > > when
> > > > > > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a
> lounge
> > > for
> > > > > > lizards under sail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system
(revisions
> > > (PCB
> > > > > wrote
> > > > > > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if
> > > there
> > > > > are
> > > > > > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally
available
> > > from
> > > > > PB&F!
> > > > > > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new
> design
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but
> meanwhile
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is
a
> > > sneak
> > > > > > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
> > > > Chebacco
> > > > > > > Raised Deck.
> > > > > > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the
> boat
> > > more
> > > > > > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is
now
> > > flush
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > > > > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5
> ft
> > > length
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges
open
> to
> > > > > > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within
> the
> > > > > cabin
> > > > > > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > > > > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-
length
> > > > settees.
> > > > > > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single
> solid
> > > > > piece
> > > > > > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and
> > > rudder
> > > > > area.
> > > > > > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to
> > > enhance
> > > > > > > stability.
> > > > > > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is
now
> > > self-
> > > > > > > draining.
> > > > > > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank,
> > > toilet,
> > > > > > areas
> > > > > > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > > > > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction
> description.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and,
> not
> > > > > realizing
> > > > > > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off
and
> > > > > completed
> > > > > > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem,
> > > keel...),
> > > > so
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just
> take
> > > > some
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate
> plan
> > > > from
> > > > > > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben
Dick

The "dinghy on steroids" was my description. It wasn't meant as a
criticism, so I don't believe there's any solution required. For
information on one self draining cockpit, contact Chuck Gottfried
through the MessaboutW or Sucia lists.

Cheers,

Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
wrote:
>
> These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate in
> anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised
flooring
> for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water get
out?
>
> Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
> the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB is the
> ticket to solving it?
>
> Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your part?
> I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it. Shall I
> rethink yet again?
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've decided
> > that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The original
> > Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and the
new
> > design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However there are
a
> > number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am finding
> > that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
> lapestrake
> > plan:
> >
> > 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self draining.
I
> > know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing that
> on
> > the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along with...
> >
> > 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against seas
> and
> > more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole
sheer
> > by about 9"; and..
> >
> > 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built a CB
> > sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB to
> > withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could happen
to
> > a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4 deep
> > cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric outboard,
> the
> > combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the RD.
> >
> > 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move the
aft
> > cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here, many
have
> > done it.
> >
> > 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am not
sure
> > when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
> >
> > BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward ventilators,
> > AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open on the
> > top.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid
> > between
> > > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or whatnot.
> > > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of the
> > > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever.
After
> > > struggling so many years on the original (get the original!
don't
> > be
> > > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased enough
> > when
> > > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge
for
> > > lizards under sail.
> > >
> > > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions (PCB
> > wrote
> > > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if there
> > are
> > > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from
> > PB&F!
> > > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design
will
> > be
> > > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile I
> > have
> > > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a
sneak
> > > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
> Chebacco
> > > > Raised Deck.
> > > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat
more
> > > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now
flush
> > with
> > > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft
length
> > > > of
> > > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> > > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the
> > cabin
> > > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length
> settees.
> > > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid
> > piece
> > > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and rudder
> > area.
> > > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to
enhance
> > > > stability.
> > > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now self-
> > > > draining.
> > > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank,
toilet,
> > > areas
> > > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
> > > >
> > > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not
> > realizing
> > > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
> > completed
> > > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem, keel...),
> so
> > I
> > > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take
> some
> > of
> > > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > > >
> > > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan
> from
> > > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ben
You may well be right on not needing a jib, but I am taking the
approach that, while I am building it, it's far easier to build that
in now, and to have the option of not using it later!

I don't think I've seen the WB article. Is it on the web somewhere?

While we do have a copy of the spec, the best would be for

BTW, are you putting in a tabernacle for the mast?

Ben

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
wrote:
>
> On the bowsprit and jibs, see old issues of CN when Bill Samson
was
> the Gloriously Salubrious Leader of the Pack. Look for commentary
by
> Fraser Howell, up in Nova Scotia, and his Chebacco "Itchy and
> Scratchy." Fraser, in a recent communication to me, seems to have
> given way to his earlier experiments with bowsprits and larger
jibs.
> He thinks that the boat has enough get up and go as is. He did
> mention, though, that he likes to troll with just jib and mizzen.
> But, I'll agree that a bowsprit only more glamorizes the pretty
> boat. I've refrained, to date, but do think that an add-on, a lay-
> down one that would be placed to one side of the Jonesport
> mooring/stem would work.
>
> I'll await PCB's exposition in an upcoming MAIB. Certainly I'm
> interested in those aspects of this later version that can be
> incorporated in my 'original' Chebacco, if they improve
functionality
> and don't destroy the design.
>
> There's more than a few words to be said about the role of Brad
Story
> in directing PCB to design a boat that would answer a multiplicity
of
> needs (weight, cost, labor time, trailerability, aesthetics,
> accomodation, etc.), though I doubt these will ever be thoroughly
> voiced. The WBmag article on the Chebacco is about as close as
it'll
> come.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Dick,
> >
> > The RD design has three drain holes: one at the rear of the
cockpit
> > going through the keel (which now extends up and through the
bottom
> > panel and stops at the raised floor board), and at each side of
the
> > CB. The down side of the raised floor is of course having less
> > height for leg room, and the RD gets around that by having
higher
> > sides (sheer), allowing the seat to also go higher.
> >
> > The new CB by itself won't change the "steroid" nature as it
adds
> > only 70 lb or so to the original CB, although everything
combined
> as
> > designed in the RD (water & holding tank, battery, etc.) all add
> > weight and will hold the boat down more.
> >
> > Bowsprit is my own preference. The Marsh Hen I have now has a
> > bowsprit and I just like the look of it. I also like the option
of
> > raising a jib, as my sailing area often has light winds. Also to
be
> > able to hang an anchor on the sprit without getting the muck
into
> > the boat is a nice feature.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate
in
> > > anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised
> > flooring
> > > for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water
get
> > out?
> > >
> > > Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
> > > the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB
is
> > the
> > > ticket to solving it?
> > >
> > > Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your
> part?
> > > I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it.
Shall
> I
> > > rethink yet again?
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've
> > decided
> > > > that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The
> original
> > > > Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and
the
> > new
> > > > design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However
there
> > are a
> > > > number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am
> > finding
> > > > that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
> > > lapestrake
> > > > plan:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self
> > draining. I
> > > > know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing
> > that
> > > on
> > > > the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along
> with...
> > > >
> > > > 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against
> seas
> > > and
> > > > more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole
> > sheer
> > > > by about 9"; and..
> > > >
> > > > 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built
a
> CB
> > > > sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB
to
> > > > withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could
> happen
> > to
> > > > a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4
deep
> > > > cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric
> outboard,
> > > the
> > > > combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the
RD.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move
the
> > aft
> > > > cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here,
many
> > have
> > > > done it.
> > > >
> > > > 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am
not
> > sure
> > > > when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward
> > ventilators,
> > > > AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open
on
> > the
> > > > top.
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb"
> <dickburnham1@a...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a
hybrid
> > > > between
> > > > > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or
> > whatnot.
> > > > > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results
of
> > the
> > > > > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where
ever.
> > After
> > > > > struggling so many years on the original (get the
original!
> > don't
> > > > be
> > > > > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased
> enough
> > > > when
> > > > > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a
lounge
> > for
> > > > > lizards under sail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions
> > (PCB
> > > > wrote
> > > > > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if
> > there
> > > > are
> > > > > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available
> > from
> > > > PB&F!
> > > > > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new
design
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but
meanwhile
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a
> > sneak
> > > > > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
> > > Chebacco
> > > > > > Raised Deck.
> > > > > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the
boat
> > more
> > > > > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now
> > flush
> > > > with
> > > > > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > > > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5
ft
> > length
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open
to
> > > > > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within
the
> > > > cabin
> > > > > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > > > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length
> > > settees.
> > > > > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single
solid
> > > > piece
> > > > > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and
> > rudder
> > > > area.
> > > > > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to
> > enhance
> > > > > > stability.
> > > > > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now
> > self-
> > > > > > draining.
> > > > > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank,
> > toilet,
> > > > > areas
> > > > > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > > > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction
description.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and,
not
> > > > realizing
> > > > > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
> > > > completed
> > > > > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem,
> > keel...),
> > > so
> > > > I
> > > > > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just
take
> > > some
> > > > of
> > > > > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate
plan
> > > from
> > > > > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben
There is Seabird '86, of course. It's a tack-and-tape multi-chine
plywood boat with no c/b, and a dipping lug sail. At 23' x' 7'9" x
3'6" it could be towed on a trailer. There's a generous cockpit. The
cabin has two stowable berths and a toilet compartment in the bow,
although it looks like it would be struggle to get into it with both
berths deployed.

To me it looks capable of going just about anywhere, but it's meant
for short cruises. More athttp://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/

Howard

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Nelson" <joe_nelson22@h...> wrote:

> My personal oppinion of the current 25 is that it has too short of
> hull sides and cabin to warrant building as it would not have much
> interior size for its length.
The new Chebacco seems to be a motorsailer version without the
enlarged cabin. Simular keel, etc..

I think the Chebacco 25 converted to sheet ply and the motorsailer
keel and cabin top would be a great boat. No centerboard. Lots of
interior room, etc..

My personal oppinion of the current 25 is that it has too short of
hull sides and cabin to warrent building as it would not have much
interior size for its length.
On the bowsprit and jibs, see old issues of CN when Bill Samson was
the Gloriously Salubrious Leader of the Pack. Look for commentary by
Fraser Howell, up in Nova Scotia, and his Chebacco "Itchy and
Scratchy." Fraser, in a recent communication to me, seems to have
given way to his earlier experiments with bowsprits and larger jibs.
He thinks that the boat has enough get up and go as is. He did
mention, though, that he likes to troll with just jib and mizzen.
But, I'll agree that a bowsprit only more glamorizes the pretty
boat. I've refrained, to date, but do think that an add-on, a lay-
down one that would be placed to one side of the Jonesport
mooring/stem would work.

I'll await PCB's exposition in an upcoming MAIB. Certainly I'm
interested in those aspects of this later version that can be
incorporated in my 'original' Chebacco, if they improve functionality
and don't destroy the design.

There's more than a few words to be said about the role of Brad Story
in directing PCB to design a boat that would answer a multiplicity of
needs (weight, cost, labor time, trailerability, aesthetics,
accomodation, etc.), though I doubt these will ever be thoroughly
voiced. The WBmag article on the Chebacco is about as close as it'll
come.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
>
> Dick,
>
> The RD design has three drain holes: one at the rear of the cockpit
> going through the keel (which now extends up and through the bottom
> panel and stops at the raised floor board), and at each side of the
> CB. The down side of the raised floor is of course having less
> height for leg room, and the RD gets around that by having higher
> sides (sheer), allowing the seat to also go higher.
>
> The new CB by itself won't change the "steroid" nature as it adds
> only 70 lb or so to the original CB, although everything combined
as
> designed in the RD (water & holding tank, battery, etc.) all add
> weight and will hold the boat down more.
>
> Bowsprit is my own preference. The Marsh Hen I have now has a
> bowsprit and I just like the look of it. I also like the option of
> raising a jib, as my sailing area often has light winds. Also to be
> able to hang an anchor on the sprit without getting the muck into
> the boat is a nice feature.
>
> Ben
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate in
> > anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised
> flooring
> > for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water get
> out?
> >
> > Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
> > the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB is
> the
> > ticket to solving it?
> >
> > Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your
part?
> > I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it. Shall
I
> > rethink yet again?
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've
> decided
> > > that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The
original
> > > Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and the
> new
> > > design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However there
> are a
> > > number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am
> finding
> > > that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
> > lapestrake
> > > plan:
> > >
> > > 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self
> draining. I
> > > know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing
> that
> > on
> > > the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along
with...
> > >
> > > 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against
seas
> > and
> > > more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole
> sheer
> > > by about 9"; and..
> > >
> > > 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built a
CB
> > > sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB to
> > > withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could
happen
> to
> > > a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4 deep
> > > cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric
outboard,
> > the
> > > combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the RD.
> > >
> > > 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move the
> aft
> > > cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here, many
> have
> > > done it.
> > >
> > > 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am not
> sure
> > > when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
> > >
> > > BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward
> ventilators,
> > > AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open on
> the
> > > top.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb"
<dickburnham1@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid
> > > between
> > > > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or
> whatnot.
> > > > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of
> the
> > > > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever.
> After
> > > > struggling so many years on the original (get the original!
> don't
> > > be
> > > > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased
enough
> > > when
> > > > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge
> for
> > > > lizards under sail.
> > > >
> > > > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions
> (PCB
> > > wrote
> > > > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if
> there
> > > are
> > > > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available
> from
> > > PB&F!
> > > > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design
> will
> > > be
> > > > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile
> I
> > > have
> > > > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a
> sneak
> > > > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
> > Chebacco
> > > > > Raised Deck.
> > > > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat
> more
> > > > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now
> flush
> > > with
> > > > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft
> length
> > > > > of
> > > > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> > > > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the
> > > cabin
> > > > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length
> > settees.
> > > > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid
> > > piece
> > > > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and
> rudder
> > > area.
> > > > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to
> enhance
> > > > > stability.
> > > > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now
> self-
> > > > > draining.
> > > > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank,
> toilet,
> > > > areas
> > > > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
> > > > >
> > > > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not
> > > realizing
> > > > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
> > > completed
> > > > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem,
> keel...),
> > so
> > > I
> > > > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take
> > some
> > > of
> > > > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > > > >
> > > > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan
> > from
> > > > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
Dick,

The RD design has three drain holes: one at the rear of the cockpit
going through the keel (which now extends up and through the bottom
panel and stops at the raised floor board), and at each side of the
CB. The down side of the raised floor is of course having less
height for leg room, and the RD gets around that by having higher
sides (sheer), allowing the seat to also go higher.

The new CB by itself won't change the "steroid" nature as it adds
only 70 lb or so to the original CB, although everything combined as
designed in the RD (water & holding tank, battery, etc.) all add
weight and will hold the boat down more.

Bowsprit is my own preference. The Marsh Hen I have now has a
bowsprit and I just like the look of it. I also like the option of
raising a jib, as my sailing area often has light winds. Also to be
able to hang an anchor on the sprit without getting the muck into
the boat is a nice feature.

Ben

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
wrote:
>
> These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate in
> anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised
flooring
> for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water get
out?
>
> Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
> the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB is
the
> ticket to solving it?
>
> Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your part?
> I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it. Shall I
> rethink yet again?
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've
decided
> > that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The original
> > Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and the
new
> > design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However there
are a
> > number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am
finding
> > that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
> lapestrake
> > plan:
> >
> > 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self
draining. I
> > know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing
that
> on
> > the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along with...
> >
> > 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against seas
> and
> > more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole
sheer
> > by about 9"; and..
> >
> > 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built a CB
> > sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB to
> > withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could happen
to
> > a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4 deep
> > cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric outboard,
> the
> > combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the RD.
> >
> > 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move the
aft
> > cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here, many
have
> > done it.
> >
> > 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am not
sure
> > when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
> >
> > BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward
ventilators,
> > AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open on
the
> > top.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid
> > between
> > > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or
whatnot.
> > > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of
the
> > > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever.
After
> > > struggling so many years on the original (get the original!
don't
> > be
> > > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased enough
> > when
> > > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge
for
> > > lizards under sail.
> > >
> > > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions
(PCB
> > wrote
> > > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if
there
> > are
> > > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available
from
> > PB&F!
> > > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design
will
> > be
> > > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile
I
> > have
> > > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a
sneak
> > > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
> Chebacco
> > > > Raised Deck.
> > > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat
more
> > > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now
flush
> > with
> > > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft
length
> > > > of
> > > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> > > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the
> > cabin
> > > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length
> settees.
> > > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid
> > piece
> > > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and
rudder
> > area.
> > > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to
enhance
> > > > stability.
> > > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now
self-
> > > > draining.
> > > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank,
toilet,
> > > areas
> > > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
> > > >
> > > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not
> > realizing
> > > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
> > completed
> > > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem,
keel...),
> so
> > I
> > > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take
> some
> > of
> > > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > > >
> > > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan
> from
> > > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ben
These are most interesting. Like you, as I tried to indicate in
anearlier email, I like the original design. But the raised flooring
for a self-draining cockpit? Good idea! How does the water get out?

Since my Chebacco is still in the barn, I've not experienced
the 'dinghy on steriod' thing, but apparently the heavier CB is the
ticket to solving it?

Is the bowsprit part of the new design or a thought on your part?
I'd debated it for ages, but recently thought against it. Shall I
rethink yet again?

Dick

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
>
> Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've decided
> that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The original
> Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and the new
> design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However there are a
> number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am finding
> that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original
lapestrake
> plan:
>
> 1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self draining. I
> know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing that
on
> the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along with...
>
> 2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against seas
and
> more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole sheer
> by about 9"; and..
>
> 3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built a CB
> sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB to
> withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could happen to
> a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4 deep
> cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric outboard,
the
> combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the RD.
>
> 4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move the aft
> cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here, many have
> done it.
>
> 5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am not sure
> when will this baby ever get out of the garage.
>
> BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward ventilators,
> AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open on the
> top.
>
> Ben
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid
> between
> > the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or whatnot.
> > Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of the
> > schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever. After
> > struggling so many years on the original (get the original! don't
> be
> > thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased enough
> when
> > it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge for
> > lizards under sail.
> >
> > Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions (PCB
> wrote
> > that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if there
> are
> > hatches in the cockpit seats.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from
> PB&F!
> > > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design will
> be
> > > published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile I
> have
> > > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a sneak
> > > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files,
Chebacco
> > > Raised Deck.
> > > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat more
> > > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now flush
> with
> > > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft length
> > > of
> > > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> > > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the
> cabin
> > > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length
settees.
> > > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid
> piece
> > > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and rudder
> area.
> > > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to enhance
> > > stability.
> > > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now self-
> > > draining.
> > > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank, toilet,
> > areas
> > > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
> > >
> > > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not
> realizing
> > > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
> completed
> > > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem, keel...),
so
> I
> > > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take
some
> of
> > > the design ideas. More challenges...
> > >
> > > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan
from
> > > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> Name me another 25 foot boat with this little displacement!
>
> Bill

BIRDWATHCER II 1800 lb?

PCB&F also indicate that it is safe to take offshore..."we consider
BWII more all around seaworthy than many small craft designed for
oceangoing..."

Nels
Having stared at the new plans for a whole week now, I've decided
that the overall shape is a bit too radical for me. The original
Chebacco has a pleasing style that appeals to the eyes, and the new
design is getting a bit too boxy for my liking. However there are a
number of changes I still want, and from the RD plan I am finding
that it's ok for me to make those changes on the original lapestrake
plan:

1. Raise the cockpit floor by about 4" and make it self draining. I
know some Chebacco's have already have done that, but seeing that on
the new plan gives me more confidence that it's ok, along with...

2. Raise the sheerline by 3" to provide more height against seas and
more volume. A compromise from the RD which raises the whole sheer
by about 9"; and..

3. A heavier center board. Independently I've already built a CB
sandwiched by four full lengths of mild steel. I want the CB to
withstanding a lateral grounding and I've seen what could happen to
a wooden one. The CB weights about 60 lb. Along with the 4 deep
cycle batteries I intent to install to run an electric outboard, the
combined weight should provide the ballast intended in the RD.

4. Move the cabin aft by 1 ft and raise it a bit, and move the aft
cockpit by the same amount. Nothing groundbreaking here, many have
done it.

5. Add a bowsprit, jib, gold plate the whole thing....I am not sure
when will this baby ever get out of the garage.

BTW, the RD design has two hatches, plus two forward ventilators,
AND the whole hatch thing, all 8' by 2' of it, hinges open on the
top.

Ben


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "seagulloutb" <dickburnham1@a...>
wrote:
>
> Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid
between
> the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or whatnot.
> Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of the
> schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever. After
> struggling so many years on the original (get the original! don't
be
> thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased enough
when
> it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge for
> lizards under sail.
>
> Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions (PCB
wrote
> that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if there
are
> hatches in the cockpit seats.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> >
> > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from
PB&F!
> > According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design will
be
> > published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile I
have
> > his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a sneak
> > preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files, Chebacco
> > Raised Deck.
> > - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat more
> > livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now flush
with
> > the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> > - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft length
> > of
> > the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> > starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the
cabin
> > and also provide easy access to the front.
> > - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length settees.
> > - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid
piece
> > that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and rudder
area.
> > - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to enhance
> > stability.
> > - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now self-
> > draining.
> > - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank, toilet,
> areas
> > for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> > - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
> >
> > I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not
realizing
> > the extent of the design change, have since gone off and
completed
> > some of the components (center board & trunk, stem, keel...), so
I
> > am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take some
of
> > the design ideas. More challenges...
> >
> > The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan from
> > PB&F, for, I think, $200.
> >
> >
> > Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: pvanderwaart

But there are some thingys shownn on the keel in way of the
centerboard that I thought might be ballast bars.


Wondered about these myself, but the waterline shown in the BWAOM drawing suggests that it's probably no more than about 2000 pounds displacement altogether. Some boats this size have that much (or more!) in the lead in their ballast keel!

I wondered if the 'thingys' are meant for ballast, or a 'winged keel', Bolger style!

Sorry about all the "!"s, but I think they're appropriate for this boat which, despite its placid looks, is really pushing the envelope.

Bill

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sure doesn't look like a Chebacco to me! Looks like a hybrid between
the Chebacco and a micro-or-maryjane-thingamabobby or whatnot.
Possible a real plus for increased stability and results of the
schooner boat out there in Colorado or Utah or where ever. After
struggling so many years on the original (get the original! don't be
thrown off course, mate!) design, sigh, I'll be pleased enough when
it is done. My major revision to the design will be a lounge for
lizards under sail.

Would be interested in the 'ventilation' system (revisions (PCB wrote
that he considered the original system 'obsolete') and if there are
hatches in the cockpit seats.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
>
> The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from PB&F!
> According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design will be
> published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile I have
> his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a sneak
> preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files, Chebacco
> Raised Deck.
> - The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat more
> livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now flush with
> the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
> - There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft length
> of
> the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
> starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the cabin
> and also provide easy access to the front.
> - The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length settees.
> - The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid piece
> that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and rudder area.
> - The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to enhance
> stability.
> - The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now self-
> draining.
> - The design includes a water tank and a holding tank, toilet,
areas
> for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
> - There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.
>
> I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not realizing
> the extent of the design change, have since gone off and completed
> some of the components (center board & trunk, stem, keel...), so I
> am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take some of
> the design ideas. More challenges...
>
> The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan from
> PB&F, for, I think, $200.
>
>
> Ben
> The 25 is a helluva big boat to be unballasted.

A good point. It's over the crossover from live ballast to dead
ballast. But there are some thingys shownn on the keel in way of the
centerboard that I thought might be ballast bars.
The 25 is a helluva big boat to be unballasted. Even the 20 is (in Jamie Orr's words) "like a dinghy on steroids" and the crew has to work hard in a breeze to keep her sailing well - shifting their weight and so on.

The 25 would be a great boat as long as you had a good sized crew available; but what a handful for a single-hander! Name me another 25 foot boat with this little displacement!

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Nelson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: New Plan: Chebacco Raised Deck



I wonder why the Chebacco 25 has not seen a lot of attention? Maybe
because of its size...too little interior features. Seems like the
25 converted to sheet ply and raised deck might be a great boat! I
wonder what such a commission would cost?

Joe






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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I wonder why the Chebacco 25 has not seen a lot of attention? Maybe
because of its size...too little interior features. Seems like the
25 converted to sheet ply and raised deck might be a great boat! I
wonder what such a commission would cost?

Joe
And I'm on the road, away from my mailbox, when this might turn up in MAIB!
Even though I've seen only one profile, I like it a lot.


----- Original Message -----
From: "bh100014" <ben.ho@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: New Plan: Chebacco Raised Deck


>
>
> Same length and width; the sides are raised by 9". Weight is a touch
> higher with the 100 lb CB, but overall displacement & waterline is
> the same.
>
> Ben
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from
> PB&F!
> >
> > That is very interesting! Just curious, what is the length,
> width, weight?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
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>
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>
>
>
Same length and width; the sides are raised by 9". Weight is a touch
higher with the 100 lb CB, but overall displacement & waterline is
the same.

Ben

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> <ben.ho@s...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from
PB&F!
>
> That is very interesting! Just curious, what is the length,
width, weight?
<ben.ho@...> wrote:
>
>
> The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from PB&F!

That is very interesting! Just curious, what is the length, width, weight?
The Raised Deck version of Chebacco is finally available from PB&F!
According to Mr. Bolger the full details of the new design will be
published in the next issue of Messing About, but meanwhile I have
his blessings to publicize this new design, so here is a sneak
preview. A picture of the plan can be seen under Files, Chebacco
Raised Deck.
- The cabin is longer, wider, and higher, making the boat more
livable for longer range cruising. The cabin side is now flush with
the sheer, extending the full width of the hull.
- There's a 2 ft wide deck opening over the entire 8.5 ft length
of
the cabin top, covered by a solid hatch that hinges open to
starboard, allowing the mast to be swung up from within the cabin
and also provide easy access to the front.
- The cockpit is extended aft to retain sleeping-length settees.
- The keel is radically different. It is now a single solid piece
that encompasses the stem, the center board trunk, and rudder area.
- The center board encapsulates a 100 lb steel plate to enhance
stability.
- The cockpit floor is raised above waterline and is now self-
draining.
- The design includes a water tank and a holding tank, toilet, areas
for stove and sink, icebox, etc.
- There's a 15 page, keyed detailed contruction description.

I commissioned this modification about 9 months, and, not realizing
the extent of the design change, have since gone off and completed
some of the components (center board & trunk, stem, keel...), so I
am now agonizing whether to start from scratch or just take some of
the design ideas. More challenges...

The plan for the RD version is available as a separate plan from
PB&F, for, I think, $200.


Ben