Re: Bolger "Bee"
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
>> Talking of oxymorons, "fore and and aft thwart" would be a goodyes.......bench.
> example. Is there a correct term for it?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Probably the easiest dinghy to build that I have seen . The plans in the
book are more than enough to build from, but the plans from Payson
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
are also very cheep.
HJ
chodges31711 wrote:
book are more than enough to build from, but the plans from Payson
http://www.instantboats.com/epunt.htm
are also very cheep.
HJ
chodges31711 wrote:
>Elegant punt may be a good option and it is in Instant Boats -1979
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>Charles
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>>Bill Jaine says great things of Bolger's little Auray punt as a
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I was suggesting just one possible change, to make it 9" shorter than
the original (and Elegant Punt, which would not stand the same
treatment) if necessary. But if sailing ability is wanted, it would
make no sense to reinvent the wheel if you were starting from scratch.
Talking of oxymorons, "fore and and aft thwart" would be a good
example. Is there a correct term for it?
Howard
the original (and Elegant Punt, which would not stand the same
treatment) if necessary. But if sailing ability is wanted, it would
make no sense to reinvent the wheel if you were starting from scratch.
Talking of oxymorons, "fore and and aft thwart" would be a good
example. Is there a correct term for it?
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
> <stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
> By the time a person makes all these changes and adjustments, one
> could have already built an Elegant Punt, that sails, motors and
rows
> very well. Also, the fore and aft thwart seems to really work
> efficiently according to owners.
>
> If one is going to use a motor, maybe a "Fast Tortoise" should be
> considered. How is that for an oxymoronic idea?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
could have already built an Elegant Punt, that sails, motors and rows
very well. Also, the fore and aft thwart seems to really work
efficiently according to owners.
If one is going to use a motor, maybe a "Fast Tortoise" should be
considered. How is that for an oxymoronic idea?
Cheers, Nels
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
>the
> There is no sailing rig shown on the plans reproduced in BWAOM. I
> guess it would take a small outboard motor. You could build it from
> the book. If you wanted something a fraction shorter (to fit on a
> deck somewhere) it would do no harm to cut 9" off the bow, making
> tiny bow transom correspondingly slightly larger.least.
>
> As there are five frames and two transoms to build, it's not the
> simplest of instant boats, but it looks very nice, on paper at
> There are three thwarts and two rowing positions.By the time a person makes all these changes and adjustments, one
>
> Howard
could have already built an Elegant Punt, that sails, motors and rows
very well. Also, the fore and aft thwart seems to really work
efficiently according to owners.
If one is going to use a motor, maybe a "Fast Tortoise" should be
considered. How is that for an oxymoronic idea?
Cheers, Nels
There is no sailing rig shown on the plans reproduced in BWAOM. I
guess it would take a small outboard motor. You could build it from
the book. If you wanted something a fraction shorter (to fit on a
deck somewhere) it would do no harm to cut 9" off the bow, making the
tiny bow transom correspondingly slightly larger.
As there are five frames and two transoms to build, it's not the
simplest of instant boats, but it looks very nice, on paper at least.
There are three thwarts and two rowing positions.
Howard
guess it would take a small outboard motor. You could build it from
the book. If you wanted something a fraction shorter (to fit on a
deck somewhere) it would do no harm to cut 9" off the bow, making the
tiny bow transom correspondingly slightly larger.
As there are five frames and two transoms to build, it's not the
simplest of instant boats, but it looks very nice, on paper at least.
There are three thwarts and two rowing positions.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Staehling" <staehpj1@y...> wrote:
>
> Would the Auray be a decent sailer? Do the plans show a sail rig or
> is she intended for oars only.
Would the Auray be a decent sailer? Do the plans show a sail rig or
is she intended for oars only.
Pete
is she intended for oars only.
Pete
Elegant punt may be a good option and it is in Instant Boats -1979
Charles
Charles
>tender
> Bill Jaine says great things of Bolger's little Auray punt as a
Bill Jaine says great things of Bolger's little Auray punt as a tender - dry,
stable, a great load bearer (I've seen pictures of it carrying 600lbs+ of people
confidently) and tows well. It comes out at ten feet, but takes just two sheets of
standard-sized ply.
Gavin
stable, a great load bearer (I've seen pictures of it carrying 600lbs+ of people
confidently) and tows well. It comes out at ten feet, but takes just two sheets of
standard-sized ply.
Gavin
Would you mind expanding a bit on reasons why Rick?
DonB
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Rick Bedard <sctree@y...> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> I built a Bee for a friend about five years ago. (I have photos
somewhere). He gave up on it after a couple hours and gave it to me. I
had it in the water for less than an hour when I gave up on it. Later,
I cut it up and burnt the pieces...
>
> I suggest you look for a different design.
>
> Rick Bedard
>
> John Spoering <spoering@e...> wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any
experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good
dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I
find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the
water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
>
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
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Jack,
I built a Bee for a friend about five years ago. (I have photos somewhere). He gave up on it after a couple hours and gave it to me. I had it in the water for less than an hour when I gave up on it. Later, I cut it up and burnt the pieces...
I suggest you look for a different design.
Rick Bedard
John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
Hi All -
I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
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I built a Bee for a friend about five years ago. (I have photos somewhere). He gave up on it after a couple hours and gave it to me. I had it in the water for less than an hour when I gave up on it. Later, I cut it up and burnt the pieces...
I suggest you look for a different design.
Rick Bedard
John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
Hi All -
I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
John Spoering
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Another design worth considering for your purpose might be Auray Punt.
Bolger did a ply wood version of this traditional Brittany coast punt. It
evidently tows like a charm, is super stable, has impressive capacity, and
handles Bay of Biscay conditions. It's also great for stepping ashore with
dry feet (just don't try to board from boat or dock by stepping on the bow
seat!) I ordered the plans from Harold Payson, who includes great step by
step instructions. I intend to use it as a towed tender with my Micro. I'll
let you know how construction goes. Check out Bolger's comments and drawings
in the first section of Boats With an Open Mind.
jeb, converting his boat shop (temporarily) to a wedding chapel, on the Yule
TIDE shores of Fundy
Bolger did a ply wood version of this traditional Brittany coast punt. It
evidently tows like a charm, is super stable, has impressive capacity, and
handles Bay of Biscay conditions. It's also great for stepping ashore with
dry feet (just don't try to board from boat or dock by stepping on the bow
seat!) I ordered the plans from Harold Payson, who includes great step by
step instructions. I intend to use it as a towed tender with my Micro. I'll
let you know how construction goes. Check out Bolger's comments and drawings
in the first section of Boats With an Open Mind.
jeb, converting his boat shop (temporarily) to a wedding chapel, on the Yule
TIDE shores of Fundy
Try Rubens Nymph made wider for just that reason. Payson sells plans.
HJ
John Spoering wrote:
HJ
John Spoering wrote:
>Hi All -
>
> I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
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>John Spoering
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I think Bee and Rubens Nymph are essentially very different boats, but
the Rubens would make a better tender.
Bolger also said that if towing Bee, you need to put a heavy weight in
the stern(I guess a flat run planing boat would want to tow flat, and
sooner or later would dig in and turn turtle). Well, you wouldn't be
too keen to leave your outboard there probably, the alternative being
to carry around a permanent sack of turnips,
DonB
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the Rubens would make a better tender.
Bolger also said that if towing Bee, you need to put a heavy weight in
the stern(I guess a flat run planing boat would want to tow flat, and
sooner or later would dig in and turn turtle). Well, you wouldn't be
too keen to leave your outboard there probably, the alternative being
to carry around a permanent sack of turnips,
DonB
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Anderson" <paa@a...> wrote:
> If stability is your concern, the Rubens Nymph is a good alternative.
> That's why I chose that over the Nymph, and it is a nice stable
tender and
> can carry a good sized load. Three adults without a problem, more
with not a
> lot of freeboard.
> Peter Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dbaldnz" <oink@w...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:32 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger "Bee"
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> > I was intending a Bee for a tender. Bolger suggested I made the sides
> > several inches higher, at the cost of an extra sheet of ply,
> > DonB
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > > The following is taken mainly from Bernie Wolfard's Bolger
catalogue.
> > > > Howard
> > >
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.gif
> > >
> > > shows a copy of Bernie Wolfard's photo of Bee,
> > > with the added black line indicating the 500 lbs
> > > waterline calculated with Gregg Carlson's Hulls program.
> > >
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.hul
> > >
> > > is a pointer to the 'hul' file of Bee which I created.
> >
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> I was intending a Bee for a tender. Bolger suggested I made the sidesShould improve carrying capacity a lot at 'displacement speed'.
> several inches higher, at the cost of an extra sheet of ply,
> DonB
Here is a gif of a Bee with 3 inches added to her height.
http://hallman.org/bolger/381/tallbee.gif
and the 'hul' file.
http://hallman.org/bolger/381/TALLBEE.HUL
If stability is your concern, the Rubens Nymph is a good alternative.
That's why I chose that over the Nymph, and it is a nice stable tender and
can carry a good sized load. Three adults without a problem, more with not a
lot of freeboard.
Peter Anderson
That's why I chose that over the Nymph, and it is a nice stable tender and
can carry a good sized load. Three adults without a problem, more with not a
lot of freeboard.
Peter Anderson
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To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger "Bee"
>
>
> I was intending a Bee for a tender. Bolger suggested I made the sides
> several inches higher, at the cost of an extra sheet of ply,
> DonB
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > The following is taken mainly from Bernie Wolfard's Bolger catalogue.
> > > Howard
> >
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.gif
> >
> > shows a copy of Bernie Wolfard's photo of Bee,
> > with the added black line indicating the 500 lbs
> > waterline calculated with Gregg Carlson's Hulls program.
> >
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.hul
> >
> > is a pointer to the 'hul' file of Bee which I created.
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I was intending a Bee for a tender. Bolger suggested I made the sides
several inches higher, at the cost of an extra sheet of ply,
DonB
several inches higher, at the cost of an extra sheet of ply,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > The following is taken mainly from Bernie Wolfard's Bolger catalogue.
> > Howard
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.gif
>
> shows a copy of Bernie Wolfard's photo of Bee,
> with the added black line indicating the 500 lbs
> waterline calculated with Gregg Carlson's Hulls program.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.hul
>
> is a pointer to the 'hul' file of Bee which I created.
> The following is taken mainly from Bernie Wolfard's Bolger catalogue.http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.gif
> Howard
shows a copy of Bernie Wolfard's photo of Bee,
with the added black line indicating the 500 lbs
waterline calculated with Gregg Carlson's Hulls program.
http://hallman.org/bolger/381/bee.hul
is a pointer to the 'hul' file of Bee which I created.
The following is taken mainly from Bernie Wolfard's Bolger catalogue.
The information there would have come "straight from the horse's
mouth".
-- It has about 365lb of displacement (my calculation) to what
appears to be Bolger's full-load line.
-- Prototype weighed 75 lb -- without motor, I'd guess -- giving a
load capacity of 300 lb including motor, fuel, anchor, crew, oars
etc. i.e not a great load-carrier, as Bruce indicates
-- Will do maybe 20 kt with a 6 hp long-shaft o/b
-- Rows no worse than other boats her size
-- Plan shows oars and rowlocks
-- Turns well at high speed
-- "a great way to practice the somewhat unusual step sharpie
building procedure before tackling a second-generation [design] like
the Microtrawler".
That last point is a reminder that this is exactly why the first one
was designed and built -- as a proof-of-concept.
Howard
The information there would have come "straight from the horse's
mouth".
-- It has about 365lb of displacement (my calculation) to what
appears to be Bolger's full-load line.
-- Prototype weighed 75 lb -- without motor, I'd guess -- giving a
load capacity of 300 lb including motor, fuel, anchor, crew, oars
etc. i.e not a great load-carrier, as Bruce indicates
-- Will do maybe 20 kt with a 6 hp long-shaft o/b
-- Rows no worse than other boats her size
-- Plan shows oars and rowlocks
-- Turns well at high speed
-- "a great way to practice the somewhat unusual step sharpie
building procedure before tackling a second-generation [design] like
the Microtrawler".
That last point is a reminder that this is exactly why the first one
was designed and built -- as a proof-of-concept.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > ...does anyone have any experience or opinion on
> > PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ?
> > John Spoering
>
> I was experiment with BEE in Gregg Carlson's Hulls
> program, and see that the freeboard under a load of
> two guys and a wet dog [500lbs] is only a few inches
> from flooding. The stepwater makes this boat a
> one person on-plane runabout, not a load hauling
> dingy.
>
> It somewhat depends on what you want a dingy to be,
> if you want capacity, maybe a Tortoise would work better, IMO.
> ...does anyone have any experience or opinion onI was experiment with BEE in Gregg Carlson's Hulls
> PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ?
> John Spoering
program, and see that the freeboard under a load of
two guys and a wet dog [500lbs] is only a few inches
from flooding. The stepwater makes this boat a
one person on-plane runabout, not a load hauling
dingy.
It somewhat depends on what you want a dingy to be,
if you want capacity, maybe a Tortoise would work better, IMO.
Hi All -
I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
John Spoering
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I know it's an old design but, does anyone have any experience or opinion on PCB's "BEE" design. Does she make a good dingy ? Can she be rowed easily or is there just too much beam ? I find my "Nymph" is very tippy - hard to get in & out of when in the water and am looking for a dink design with some more stability......
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
John Spoering
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